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[KiwiClare]

  you gotta have an open mind. You can watch a "no planer" video and learn something.

I do have an open mind, otherwise I would not be on this Forum.   I have watched a "no planer" video - September Clues.  It was the biggest load of tripe I have seen in a long time, designed to tap into the biggest resource on the planet - gullibility.  
 The "No planer" (NY 9/11) posts seem to be a common strategy, used to waste time in my opinion.  Here is another person, who used the name "winston", using the same strategy on the Uncensored website- sometimes he sounded reasonable, but then started wallowing in blatant disinformation tactics.

winston wrote:

#

Squeaky, I did not say that I didn’t know that planes hit the towers, I said I don’t watch 9/11 docos that think planes hit the towers.
Because once you realise the footage of planes disappearing inside the towers is fake/ manipulated, it’s difficult to give personal credibility to any doco that does promote planes at the towers.

Are you John Danahy ?

Posted by winston | April 26, 2009, 10:54 am  

Refer:
http://uncensored.co.nz/2009/04/12/danish-scientist-talks-for-10-minutes-on-tv-about-nano-thermite-found-in-the-dust-at-the-wtc/


No-Planer Cointelpro Operation Becoming Transparent
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/911_attack/news.php?q=1218648029

[Infokrieger]

I have watched a "no planer" video - September Clues.  It was the biggest load of tripe I have seen in a long time, designed to tap into the biggest resource on the planet - gullibility.  

I think September Clues is highly interesting for the TV fakery part and then makes this huuuuge logical leap to conclude there were no planes. Until it makes this bogus claim, it's actually a decent, thought-provoking movie. Didn't you think? Did you dismiss all the TV fakery out of hand?

I think we have been tricked into dismissing TV fakery, by means of combining it with no-planer BS.

We have been tricked like that before many, many times. They have successfully linked 9/11 truth to all kinds of stuff in the minds of the people. They have created 9/11 truther figures who, after establishing a name for themselves, go into holocaust denial, shapeshifting lizards, no planes, they did it all. Just so the human mind dismisses one thing because it dismisses some other things LINKED to it. "Guilt by association".

Most of you are still brainwashed that they still push the stupid "TV fakery = no planes" notion, for which there is no basis. TV fakery doesn't mean "no planes". It's a huuuuge logical leap. It just doesn't follow. "Why would they NEED such and such" is NOT a deductive logical argument, it's asking for motive, which we know nothing about.

Some of you are so brainwashed that they refuse to answer even a hypothetical question like "what IF..."! Answer: "it ain't so".

It's ridiculous how even the most dedicated of you still have that link in their head: "TV fakery = no planes". You are the fruitcakes here, my friends. You are the ones pushing cointelpro Propaganda right in that instance, and don't even know it. And if you have no argumentative way to go, you go into fecal or abusive language, calling people names. That is the exact same behavior of a debunker.

[KiwiClare]

I think September Clues is highly interesting for the TV fakery part and then makes this huuuuge logical leap to conclude there were no planes. Until it makes this bogus claim, it's actually a decent, thought-provoking movie. Didn't you think? Did you dismiss all the TV fakery out of hand?

I think there are far more important things to worry about.  We know that 9/11 was an inside job used to aid the rapid rise of fascism, so what is the point of focusing on something on a par with playing in a sandpit?

 Invest your energy in something worthy - like writing to your local newspaper and stating that you think there should be a new investigation.

[Infokrieger]

Thanks Kiwi, but I'm really not asking for your advice. I also don't need anyone to tell me what to think or how to spend my time. Were you not a moderator, I'd call you a fascist, but I'm not going to give you a reason to ban me. So I'll just say: PEACE.

[9/11FalseFlag]

I think there are far more important things to worry about.  We know that 9/11 was an inside job used to aid the rapid rise of fascism, so what is the point of focusing on something on a par with playing in a sandpit?

 Invest your energy in something worthy - like writing to your local newspaper and stating that you think there should be a new investigation.

I think investing energy into this is highly important because if you can proove that there was TV Fakery then all the news media are complicit in the crime therefore they can never expose 911 as being an Inside Job so they automatically will never go there.  It fits so perfectly.

If co-intel is involved in TV Fakery on 9/11 then they are working to keep it from being exposed and are NOT infact EXPOSING IT.

[Infokrieger]

Thank you, Flag, for following that line of thought and NOT spew NP BS. I appreciate that.

You're right, TV fakery is the one smoking gun. The elephant in the room. And we know they have shown faked pictures and videos before and are in fact still doing that (a fake Bin Laden once in a while).

But I disagree. There are only one or two stations that aired original footage. All the others were airing syndicated footage, so they not complicit. Just negligent.

Moderator, are you suggesting we open a new thread to discuss TV fakery but NO no-plane-BS? Or shall we continue here?

[Voskhod3]

Voskhod, can you answer ME why EVERY SINGLE VIDEO, YES EVERY ONE, of the second attack on the WTC has been tampered with in one way or another?  EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Tell me why not one single member of the public was mentioned that they tampered with their video and "here's the original" to prove it?

Busted.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

Thank you, Flag, for following that line of thought and NOT spew NP BS. I appreciate that.

You're right, TV fakery is the one smoking gun. The elephant in the room. And we know they have shown faked pictures and videos before and are in fact still doing that (a fake Bin Laden once in a while).

But I disagree. There are only one or two stations that aired original footage. All the others were airing syndicated footage, so they not complicit. Just negligent.

Moderator, are you suggesting we open a new thread to discuss TV fakery but NO no-plane-BS? Or shall we continue here?

Comparing the live footage from 911 to the fake Bin Laden tapes doesn't really strengthen your position because that's two completely different procedures. Also in your opinion how do the perps of 911 benefit from faking the TV footage?

[Infokrieger]

Comparing the live footage from 911 to the fake Bin Laden tapes doesn't really strengthen your position because that's two completely different procedures.

Technically speaking, yes. Point taken. But it goes to credibility of the media, your honor. The Bin Laden tapes establish that there is none, let alone journalistic integrity.

Also in your opinion how do the perps of 911 benefit from faking the TV footage?

I could only speculate. My opinion doesn't matter, and I doubt it matters to you.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

I could only speculate. My opinion doesn't matter, and I doubt it matters to you.

There's really nothing here at all is there?

[Voskhod3]

Tell me why not one single member of the public was mentioned that they tampered with their video and "here's the original" to prove it?

Why can't no-planers and different planers and missile people not answer this fundemental question?

[9/11FalseFlag]

Why can't no-planers and different planers and missile people not answer this fundemental question?

You are obviously NOT checking the videos I'm posting!  Every single call to the original filmmakers is VERY SUSPICIOUS.  NONE OF THEM WANT TO TALK!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0nl_ZY3D04&feature=PlayList&p=7EA2472A0606A350&index=64

[kushfiend]

I think investing energy into this is highly important because if you can proove that there was TV Fakery then all the news media are complicit in the crime therefore they can never expose 911 as being an Inside Job so they automatically will never go there.  It fits so perfectly.

If co-intel is involved in TV Fakery on 9/11 then they are working to keep it from being exposed and are NOT infact EXPOSING IT.

+1! QFT!

Some people get it when it comes to TV Fakery - some don't.  It's just like infokrieger was saying earlier, just because CNN and MSNBC and Fox News were running obvious doctored clips of the attacks on 9/11 doesn't mean that nothing hit the WTC towers.

As to why no one has come forward with the real footage, I can only speculate that:

A- the footage was never real to begin with and was simply "supplied" to Main Stream Media news stations by the CIA and other black ops orginizations

or

B- The people who supplied the footage were in on it. [I especially think this is the case with the Naudet brothers, who have the only known public footage of the first plane strike.]

Either way, like I said, when it comes to TV Fakery, some ppl can see why CNN slapped a huge banner right where the supposed "plane" flies into the building so you can't see sh*t and some ppl think that was just "shotty camera work."

To each his own, in the end I feel confident the truth will emerge.

[Voskhod3]

You are obviously NOT checking the videos I'm posting!  Every single call to the original filmmakers is VERY SUSPICIOUS.  NONE OF THEM WANT TO TALK!!!

It's irrelevant what your opinion of those videos are. September Clues is a perfect example of bulls*t about the images.

The truth is that NOT ONE single member of the public has come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture, here's the original".

YOU need to explain how the supposed fakers pulled off that miracle.

[KiwiClare]

I think investing energy into this is highly important because if you can proove that there was TV Fakery then all the news media are complicit in the crime therefore they can never expose 911 as being an Inside Job so they automatically will never go there.  It fits so perfectly.

If co-intel is involved in TV Fakery on 9/11 then they are working to keep it from being exposed and are NOT infact EXPOSING IT.

In my opinion it is of no importance whatsoever, because we already know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were planes in New York that hit the twin towers on 9/11.  Thus, there is nothing to prove.  September Clues was clearly fakery, just like Mickey Mouse cartoons are.  Would you like to quarrel endlessly about whether or not Mickey Mouse is real or not, based upon the Disney images that aired on your TV?  Of course not.

The premise of September Clues is based on a notion which is best described as delusional and psychotic.  Plus, it is being used to undermine the truth movement. Thus, I can not see anything being gained from going over the obvious ad nauseum.  It is a sorry waste of time when there are far more important matters to attend to, both on this Forum and with getting the word out regarding 9/11 truth to others.  

[sekular]

please tell me what you think of this 25 min video that i came across

http://udn1.com/911/abc.911.audio.mp4

or you can grab the torrent: https://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/torrents-details.php?id=7989

[Dig]

I think investing energy into this is highly important because if you can proove that there was TV Fakery then all the news media are complicit in the crime therefore they can never expose 911 as being an Inside Job so they automatically will never go there.  It fits so perfectly.

If co-intel is involved in TV Fakery on 9/11 then they are working to keep it from being exposed and are NOT infact EXPOSING IT.

No Planers = CoIntelPro

CoIntelPro = No Planers

Repeat 1,000x until you get it through your head.

WTF?

[White Rose Sophie]

No Planers = CoIntelPro

CoIntelPro = No Planers

Repeat 1,000x until you get it through your head.

WTF?

The problem is - I have seen truth groups destroyed over this issue, and it serves no purpose EXCEPT to do just that, I have discovered recently.  Well-meaning people looking for the truth who start out being focused on their common enemy......eventually turning against each other.

The towers were brought down by explosives, there is considerable evidence for that conclusion.  What difference does it make what their cover story was?

As far as the media being complicit in 9-11, we all KNOW that already.  The likelihood of being able to prove 'no-planes' in any court of law relies upon being able to have all the original footage in hand. It's more likely that Rockefeller will sail in on his yacht personally and bust Cynthia McKinney out of Israeli incarceration than THAT ever happening. 

It is a diversionary tactic that appears to be working.

[Voskhod3]

The question still remains unanswered:

The truth is that NOT ONE single member of the public has come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture, here's the original".

Who did the the supposed fakers pull off that miracle?

[sekular]

No Planers = CoIntelPro

CoIntelPro = No Planers

Repeat 1,000x until you get it through your head.

WTF?

global moderator does not even watch the video, but tells us what to believe instead.

so much for the truth.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

global moderator does not even watch the video, but tells us what to believe instead.

so much for the truth.

Do you really think you are the first no planer we have ever engaged? Do you really think that we haven't studied this many times over? Do you not understand that this have been dis proven time and time again? If you're going to turn up 2 years after the party has finished don't be upset that everyone else has gone home.

[Voskhod3]

sekular,

do you have an answer to my most fundemental of all questions?

[DAVIDENGLAND]

Sekular you posted the other night that we are all full of shit, how do you expect up to take you seriously?

[KiwiClare]

global moderator does not even watch the video, but tells us what to believe instead.

so much for the truth.

Where is the evidence that you genuinely care about the truth yourself?  
I have told you repeatedly NOT to post in this thread again, as you have posted classic disinfo material.
Anyone who tries and claims that no planes hit the WTC in New York on 9/11 is NOT welcome on this forum as far as I am concerned.

 Remember sekular that approximately 3,000 died that day and many more have suffered greatly as a consequence, including the family members of the victims and the first responders, as well as many in the truth movement.
 Implying that there were no planes that hit the WTC on 9/11 only serves the purposes of those behind the attacks.  

[Voskhod3]

Sekular,

The question still remains unanswered:

The truth is that NOT ONE single member of the public has come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture, here's the original".

How did the the supposed fakers pull off that miracle?

Until you answer this then any subsequent theories are bogus.

[Infokrieger]

The truth is that NOT ONE single member of the public has come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture, here's the original".

Baloney. Would it change anything if ONE single member of the public came forward and said "they tampered with my video"? Would you change your mind then? No, you wouldn't. Would you?

Ah, I forget, you are not capable of answering hypotheticals.

[Voskhod3]

Baloney. Would it change anything if ONE single member of the public came forward and said "they tampered with my video"? Would you change your mind then? No, you wouldn't. Would you?

I would listen to what they had to say.

But so far NO ONE has!

Not a single person.

Until you can explain how that miracle happened then any other opinions about supposedly tampered with video's are irrelevant.

[Infokrieger]

Well, if I had filmed the crash of an airplane into the WTC, and a broadcasting company payed me some money for the rights of that video, there will be an agreement signed by both parties. Part of that agreement seems to be that I'm not allowed to talk about the video to anyone and a non-disclosure of the contract.

Researchers have supposedly called some of the amateur filmmakers and not one of them was willing to talk to them. Look at it from that angle:

NOT ONE of the amateurs filmers have come forward and said, their video is legit and has NOT been edited by the studios. It's a bogus argument from both ways.

[Dig]

global moderator does not even watch the video, but tells us what to believe instead.

so much for the truth.

and then global moderator bans no-planer cointelpro agent out of respect for the victims still pushing for answers.

[Dig]

Sekular,

The question still remains unanswered:

The truth is that NOT ONE single member of the public has come forward and said "they tampered with my video/picture, here's the original".

How did the the supposed fakers pull off that miracle?

Until you answer this then any subsequent theories are bogus.

cointelpro no-planer provocateurs do not answer questions, they only push nonsense crapola hoping that you will repeat it to discredit yourself.

[Dig]

Well, if I had filmed the crash of an airplane into the WTC, and a broadcasting company payed me some money for the rights of that video, there will be an agreement signed by both parties. Part of that agreement seems to be that I'm not allowed to talk about the video to anyone and a non-disclosure of the contract.

Researchers have supposedly called some of the amateur filmmakers and not one of them was willing to talk to them. Look at it from that angle:

NOT ONE of the amateurs filmers have come forward and said, their video is legit and has NOT been edited by the studios. It's a bogus argument from both ways.

so what is your point? are you also pushing no plane crapola on this forum?

[Dig]

KiwiClare, the link you posted doesn't work.

Voskhod, can you answer ME why EVERY SINGLE VIDEO, YES EVERY ONE, of the second attack on the WTC has been tampered with in one way or another?  EVERY SINGLE ONE.  I have 10+ videos of amature footage and the part where the plane is supposed to hit is just magically cut out!

I am NOT saying there were no planes, all I am saying is that the live video footage has been HEAVILY EDITED!!! It is so bloody obvious. 
Yes it's easy to ask 1000 more questions about this situation, but please just look at the footage, it is blatlantly obvious the videos have been heavily edited!

Where did this co-intel term come from anyway?  Think about it.  Faux news would be pushing this no plane stuff hard if it actually held no ground, but the fact is, it does hold weight.  And lots of weight.  Most people denying are just too scared to come to the light, and sit in the comfort of their darkness.

Are you also pushing no plane bullshit?

this thread is like troll fly paper

[Voskhod3]

Well, if I had filmed the crash of an airplane into the WTC, and a broadcasting company payed me some money for the rights of that video, there will be an agreement signed by both parties. Part of that agreement seems to be that I'm not allowed to talk about the video to anyone and a non-disclosure of the contract.

Are you insane?

You're saying the public are in on it.. and the fakers knew before hand that they could get the public in on it?

3,000 people died... and not one single member of the public put their conscience before the supposed fairytale contracts.

Just how did the media know who had videos?

Researchers have supposedly called some of the amateur filmmakers and not one of them was willing to talk to them. Look at it from that angle:

can you give some examples please?

[kushfiend]

Are you also pushing no plane bullshit?

this thread is like troll fly paper

Sane no one is saying No planes hit the WTC buildings, what everyone has been arguing here for ever 10 pages is that the Media doctored the footage of the crashes - why?

I don't really know.

But it's very obvious that Main Stream Media stations HAVE altered the footage. 

Go ahead and ban me now because I /disagree with you

[Voskhod3]

Sane no one is saying No planes hit the WTC buildings,

No... people are saying even crazier things than that.. they were missiles and all the witnesses and their recorded images have been controlled.

what everyone has been arguing here for ever 10 pages is that the Media doctored the footage of the crashes - why?

Because the media didn't doctor the f*cking images.

But it's very obvious that Main Stream Media stations HAVE altered the footage. 

Man you're something.. what about the public?

You have to answer the fundemental question about why NOT ONE single member of the public has come forward and said "they tampered ith my video/picture".

Unless you get past that little hurdle then your opinions on "doctored videos" are worth nothing.

[Infokrieger]

so what is your point? are you also pushing no plane crapola on this forum?

You have obviously not read my posts, I have stated 100x in no uncertain terms why I believe PLANES DID ACTUALLY HIT THE BUILDING. I doesn't get any clearer than that.

Edit: what kind of moderation is it exactly you're doing? You haven't read 2 pages of posts, you are accusing everyone of pushing no-plane bullshit and accuse everyone who disagrees with you or writes something you don't understand of being a troll. That, Sir, is TROLL behavior at its best. You are not moderating, you're escalating. Just like the police.

The other moderator, Kiwi, has even deleted posts of me arguing AGAINST no-plane Bullshit, while not touching the statements I was arguing against, effectively working in favor of no-planes-BS. I called him out on that and then he threatened to ban me if I didn't stop "playing games".

Btw, is it against the rules to respond to a moderator in public, when he calls me out in public? Will I get banned for that? Come on, show your true faces.

[iks83]

You have obviously not read my posts, I have stated 100x in no uncertain terms why I believe PLANES DID ACTUALLY HIT THE BUILDING. I doesn't get any clearer than that.

Believing "proof" of tv fakery is just as bad. All the stuff it BS and just pure deception debunked 1000ths of times all over the web. But the fakery people just dont care. They have no logic... they think 2 different camera angles are the same.

[Infokrieger]

Believing "proof" of tv fakery is just as bad.

And who are you to tell me what to believe? Are you the moral compass around here?

I never said I "believed any proof". I never told people to "believe proof". I'm saying,

If there was indeed TV fakery, that would NOT mean there were no planes.

They are two separate issues. Only problem, since September Clues everyone (even the supposedly smart people here) believes they are the same. Good job, September Clues. This film has everybody brainwashed, even the best of us. There are, I think, three or four people who are able to grasp what a conditional is. It has something to do with logic.

Btw. PP-Moderators note: I believe planes did actually hit the WTC on 9/11. It's sad that I have to say this on every second post, because almost everyone here seems to be reading impaired fluoride drinking morons.

[Voskhod3]

Btw. PP-Moderators note: I believe planes did actually hit the WTC on 9/11.

We know.

You just think ALL the images we faked to look like different planes. Just how crazy is that? It's possibly carzier than no-planes.

You still need to get past the fundemental problem of the public watching and their images.

[Infokrieger]

We know.

Then why do you keep accusing me of pushing no-planes? Full knowing that's not what I'm saying, in fact, I'm saying the exact opposite. What kind of tactic is that? Are you deliberately trying to make me mad?

You just think ALL the images we faked to look like different planes.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Quote me if you have to, but stop distorting what I said. I didn't say ALL images were faked. I didn't say I believe there were other planes. None of that. Stop lying.

You still need to get past the fundemental problem of the public watching and their images.

I've been trying to explain to you why I don't.

Btw. PP-Moderators note: I believe planes did actually hit the WTC on 9/11 and have never stated anything to the contrary, not in this thread nor in others.