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« Reply #81 on: June 07, 2009, 12:44:33 PM » |
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« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2009, 01:20:31 PM » |
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The abomination of desolation was Titus and his armies standing in the Holy place. It occurred in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed just as Jesus told the disciples it would be.
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The abomination of desolation was Titus and his armies standing in the Holy place. It occurred in 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed just as Jesus told the disciples it would be.
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« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2009, 01:22:46 PM » |
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oh i forgot your a pan tribulationist if i remember correctly from before you were banned
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« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2009, 09:53:42 PM » |
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Titus proclaimed himself God?
I think you are confusing II Thessalonians with the beast of Revelation. I believe, as did most Protestants until the beginning of this century, that the man of sin is the Papacy. Not one single 'antichrist' but a dynasty of them. The Pope, or 'Our LORD God the Pope' as he is referred to by the faithful sits within the temple of God shewing himself that he is God. This was the interpretation of this passage by all the reformers, not that that makes them right of course, but it certainly does not make my position weaker by any means. Until Cyrus Scofield introduced these teachings they were unheard of in the Corpus Christi. So rather than jump all over me for not joining in the dispensational band wagon consider who is actually bringing in the 'new' teachings in this regard. To neglect the events of 70 AD is, in my humble opinion, sheer folly. You can see on this thread that no one is particularly concerned about things because they 'know' that the temple needs to be rebuilt in Jerusalem first etc. Instead of expecting Jesus, they are looking for the antichrist. I think that when Jesus gets back its going to be like this... 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? A thief in the night at the literal end of an exact seven year period ? Nonsense. That is wresting scripture to make it fit a particular theological eschatalogical interpretation. I'm not interested in the most coveted best Baptist award for parroting the orthodoxy. I'm interested in what the Bible really means, not what everyone says it means. The disciples thought Jesus was a conquering King who would set up his kingdom, they were wrong, Peter was rebuked for his thinking on Jesus going to the cross. Just because all the decent God fearing repeat after me baptists are saying something doesn't make it so. By the way Philip Mauro is one of the writers in David Otis Fullers ' Which Bible ' trilogy and became a staunch defender of the Authorized version, the reason he is not quoted more often by the present day defenders is, I believe, his renunciation of Darbyism. Was he right about everything ? No. But his work on Daniels 70 weeks is an eyeopener. One of the reasons I read the book was due to his defense of the Bible. |
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« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2009, 10:03:25 PM » |
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« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2009, 10:20:38 PM » |
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Uh did every stone Get overturned?
Matthew 24:2 King James Bible
And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
It sure did, the gold leaf from the dome melted due to the fire after the Sicari torched the temple and the Romans pried the stones apart to get the melted gold from between them. Believe what you like about it all, I see that Jesus said it would happen and it did. My faith is bolstered by the facts. 1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. |
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« Reply #89 on: June 07, 2009, 10:23:43 PM » |
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« Reply #90 on: June 07, 2009, 10:48:45 PM » |
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your pan tribulanist crap doesnt hold up to the bible sorry
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. |
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« Reply #91 on: June 07, 2009, 10:52:14 PM » |
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Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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« Reply #93 on: June 07, 2009, 11:07:06 PM » |
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With all due respect, the Masons are the ones with the desire (and the means) to rebuild "Solomon's" Temple. It is not the rebuilding of the "Holy Temple" they seek. It will be the "Unholy" temple meant to become the seat of the NWO Religion.
You are quite correct on that. the essence of masonry is the rebuilding of the Temple. This is due to their defiance of God. As I've stated in other posts the Bible clearly defines the temple of God as the body of believers and not a building made by man's hands. These teachings concerning future events are actually quite modern, our grandparents would have thought them the 'newest' teachings. Satan knows how to play us, introduce something and in a hundred years or so its the faith of our fathers old school. When in reality its a new twist. 2Co 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. This is what happened, Jesus made an end of sins and made reconciliation for iniquity. To rebuild the Temple and re-institute animal sacrifice is to despise the blood of the covenant and is the most vile act imaginable. The idea that a place like that could be 'defiled' is ludicrous. The reason Satan is trying to rebuild the Temple is to prove that Jesus did not by his one time sacrifice reconcile us with God. It is for this reason that I believe that all the kings horses and all the kings men will not put that Temple together again. |
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« Reply #94 on: June 08, 2009, 04:45:56 AM » |
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I think you are confusing II Thessalonians with the beast of Revelation. I believe, as did most Protestants until the beginning of this century, that the man of sin is the Papacy. Not one single 'antichrist' but a dynasty of them. The Pope, or 'Our LORD God the Pope' as he is referred to by the faithful sits within the temple of God shewing himself that he is God.
This was the interpretation of this passage by all the reformers, not that that makes them right of course, but it certainly does not make my position weaker by any means. Until Cyrus Scofield introduced these teachings they were unheard of in the Corpus Christi.
So rather than jump all over me for not joining in the dispensational band wagon consider who is actually bringing in the 'new' teachings in this regard.
To neglect the events of 70 AD is, in my humble opinion, sheer folly. You can see on this thread that no one is particularly concerned about things because they 'know' that the temple needs to be rebuilt in Jerusalem first etc.
Instead of expecting Jesus, they are looking for the antichrist.
I think that when Jesus gets back its going to be like this...
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
A thief in the night at the literal end of an exact seven year period ? Nonsense. That is wresting scripture to make it fit a particular theological eschatalogical interpretation. I'm not interested in the most coveted best Baptist award for parroting the orthodoxy. I'm interested in what the Bible really means, not what everyone says it means.
The disciples thought Jesus was a conquering King who would set up his kingdom, they were wrong, Peter was rebuked for his thinking on Jesus going to the cross. Just because all the decent God fearing repeat after me baptists are saying something doesn't make it so.
By the way Philip Mauro is one of the writers in David Otis Fullers ' Which Bible ' trilogy and became a staunch defender of the Authorized version, the reason he is not quoted more often by the present day defenders is, I believe, his renunciation of Darbyism. Was he right about everything ? No. But his work on Daniels 70 weeks is an eyeopener. One of the reasons I read the book was due to his defense of the Bible.
You didnt answer my question. Titus proclaimed himself God? Also where was his "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week", didnt happen in 70 ad. also see Matt 24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 12:9-13, and Rev 13, which was written well after 70ad. |
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« Reply #95 on: June 08, 2009, 08:44:37 AM » |
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You didnt answer my question.
Also where was his "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week", didnt happen in 70 ad.
also see Matt 24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 12:9-13, and Rev 13, which was written well after 70ad.
Jesus confirmed the covenant and in the midst of it was cut off. God set a specific period of time, 70 heptads or weeks of years in order to fulfill his plan. It began with the rebuilding of the wall and ended with the stoning of Stephen. Upon which Christ sat down at the right hand of the Father until his enemies be made his footstool. 490 years. But modern churches say that after 483 years the prophesy got put on hold ( so the seven years that followed 'didn't count' ) even though in that seven year period Jesus began his three and a half year ministry, was crucified and rose again from the grave. This is all irrelevant because the Darby tells us so. The abomination of desolation was the armies of Rome and their banners.
Mat 24:15
The abomination of desolation - This is a Hebrew expression, meaning an abominable or hateful destroyer. The Gentiles were all held in abomination by the Jews, Act_10:28. The abomination of desolation means the Roman army, and is so explained by Luk_21:20. The Roman army is further called the “abomination” on account of the images of the emperor, and the eagles, carried in front of the legions, and regarded by the Romans with divine honors.
Spoken of by Daniel the prophet - Dan_9:26-27; Dan_11:31; Dan_12:11, see the notes at those passages.
Standing in the holy place - Mark says, standing where it ought not,” meaning the same thing. All Jerusalem was esteemed “holy,” Mat_4:5. The meaning of this is, when you see the Roman armies standing in the holy city or encamped around the temple, or the Roman ensigns or standards in the temple. Josephus relates that when the city was taken, the Romans brought their idols into the temple, and placed them over the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there, “Jewish Wars,” b. 6 chapter 6, section 1.
Whoso readeth ... - This seems to be a remark made by the evangelist to direct the attention of the reader particularly to the meaning of the prophecy by Daniel.
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Albert Barnes (1798-1870)
Mat 24:15 The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk_21:20, Luk_21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar_13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it. Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible Adam Clarke, LL.D., F.S.A., (1715-1832) See also pretty much any commentator until the modern times when the Bible correctind Nelson and Scofield and Darby introduced this thing to us. |
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« Reply #96 on: June 08, 2009, 08:51:46 AM » |
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« Reply #97 on: June 08, 2009, 08:57:12 AM » |
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You didnt answer my question.
In answer to your question Titus as far as I know did not declare himself to be God. Nor can I find in the Bible where the 'antichrist' declares himself to be God. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Showing HIMSELF does not imply or state showing EVERYONE or showing the WORLD or otherwise. Showing himself means HIMSELF. Why not read the Bible without the dispensational colored glasses on. Every word of God is important don't try and twist the language to mean something that it doesn't. This is CLEARLY referring to a man that thinks in his heart that he is God. As far as I can see the Papacy fulfills this prophesy and I can stand alongside all the great reformers who believed this. The Waldensians wrote about it in the eleventh century, so I'm certainly in good company in my exegesis of the passage. |
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« Reply #98 on: June 08, 2009, 08:59:11 AM » |
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We know that a lot of Zionist Jews living in Israel are not by any means what we would call orthodox... it also says in the Bible that the Jews would continue to not believe and not have a home until the end... I am curious how you guys are viewing Israel in the light of biblical prophecy Also, noow they are discussing the sale of the very holy Temple Mount... ...this is a big deal... also... Here is the best take I have seen on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRYXrxafWcUever wonder who those people who will be fatally wounded in the head and then rise again will be? |
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« Reply #100 on: June 08, 2009, 12:24:11 PM » |
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In answer to your question Titus as far as I know did not declare himself to be God. Nor can I find in the Bible where the 'antichrist' declares himself to be God.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Showing HIMSELF does not imply or state showing EVERYONE or showing the WORLD or otherwise.
Showing himself means HIMSELF. Why not read the Bible without the dispensational colored glasses on. Every word of God is important don't try and twist the language to mean something that it doesn't.
This is CLEARLY referring to a man that thinks in his heart that he is God. As far as I can see the Papacy fulfills this prophesy and I can stand alongside all the great reformers who believed this. The Waldensians wrote about it in the eleventh century, so I'm certainly in good company in my exegesis of the passage.
Revelation 13
1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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Three and a half years, 1260 days. Day for a year 1260 years. It would seem the Papacy is in view here once again. 1260 years. Depending on when it began, Pepin king of France gave the first horn to the papacy in 755 Ad which was the exarchate of Ravenna. The second was the kingdom of the Lombards given to Rome by Charlemagne in 774 The third being the state of Rome itself given by Lewis the pious.
These were the three horns that were plucked up, according to most protestant sources prior to the new teachings regarding eschatology were introduced by Darby and Scofield.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
So the disciples that went to show him the great buildings of Herods Temple and to which Jesus said not one stone would be left standing was completely destroyed and not one stone left standing was not the Temple to which he referred ?
You think that the Disciples who commented on the grandeur of it all, Jesus refers to a future Temple (yet to be built) which will in turn be destroyed stone by stone ?
So the Bible is silent on the destruction of the second Temple and the Jewish nation sent into the diaspora, even as the passage refers to Jesus pointed out the buildings ( the second Temple ) and saying that not one stone would be left upon another ?
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« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2009, 11:55:09 PM » |
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You could, of course, settle my argument and make it look quite ridiculous by pointing out the Temple that the disciples were referring to and that Jesus said that not one stone would be left standing, was still standing.
Unfortunately that Temple was destroyed in 70 AD and the stones were toppled and not left standing.
Little does anyone know though that the Temple being referred to is NOT the one which they were referring to and that was destroyed and no stone left standing, no, the Temple they were standing in and pointing out and referring to ( which was completely destroyed and the stones pried apart and toppled to get at the melted gold ) is not relevant to our eschatological exegesis. Jesus is referring to another Temple ( one that has not as yet been built ) rather than the one in which he was standing and pointing out that it would be destroyed and not one stone left standing. The Temple in which he was standing, that was destroyed by Titus and the armies of Rome is not in the picture at all. The buildings that he was standing in and the disciples were pointing out and that was toppled by the Roman armies is NOT the Temple to which he was referring. The Temple he is referring to has yet to be made.
Yes I do suppose that when you look at it like that, it makes even less sense.
Is it any wonder then how the average person views this 'faith based initiative' ? It is a sad fact that even the bible believing remnant of God fearing churches has been taken in by these things. But I have faith in you Doc and Cold Fusion and others. You figured out which Bible to read and no doubt it caused a lot of conflict and separation. You'll figure out the rest as long as you don't let others do your studying for you. You can't 'cliff note' the Bible.
Once we've figured out what has already happened we may have a better idea of what is going to happen. I certainly do not have all the answers and in fact have more questions than I do answers. All I want is the truth. Not prepackaged theology that I MUST believe or be Anathema Maranatha.
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