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« on: July 27, 2008, 03:45:31 PM »

Any ideas on this ? I have mine with me all the time but I want to find a way to block it . Any kind of foil or fabric that could block it ? Can the gps part of the phone be deactivated without killing the phone ?
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 03:56:19 PM »

Any ideas on this ? I have mine with me all the time but I want to find a way to block it . Any kind of foil or fabric that could block it ? Can the gps part of the phone be deactivated without killing the phone ?

take out the battery
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 04:02:19 PM »

Any ideas on this ? I have mine with me all the time but I want to find a way to block it . Any kind of foil or fabric that could block it ? Can the gps part of the phone be deactivated without killing the phone ?

The GPS doesn't even matter.  The phone's signal itself is tracked.

Only way to prevent tracking it is to take out the battery.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 04:02:56 PM »

Israelis developed a special paint a few years ago to block mobile/cell phone signals... Idea is you can paint a buildings rooms with this stuff and cell phones won't get signal inside - I'm trying to remember where I read this ... will do an internet search... I know from my own experimenting that lead etc.. doesn't work
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2008, 04:04:19 PM »

Israelis developed a special paint a few years ago to block mobile/cell phone signals... Idea is you can paint a buildings rooms with this stuff and cell phones won't get signal inside - I'm trying to remember where I read this ... will do an internet search... I know from my own experimenting that lead etc.. doesn't work

Copper or even tin should work.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2008, 04:05:39 PM »

Copper or even tin should work.


What about lead or asbestos.  Monsanto could use the revenue.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2008, 04:06:25 PM »


What about lead or asbestos.  Monsanto could use the revenue.

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2008, 04:07:38 PM »


Check this out:


http://buy.ecplaza.net/search/1s1nf20sell/cellular_jammer.html
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 04:07:54 PM »

Other possibilities include the use of RF shielding. MRI units use copper plates in the room casing to block out RF. A simple box container made with conductor could be used to block the RF signal and this used to store the phone. Maybe even build a casing this way.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2008, 04:10:57 PM »

Other possibilities include the use of RF shielding. MRI units use copper plates in the room casing to block out RF. A simple box container made with conductor could be used to block the RF signal and this used to store the phone. Maybe even build a casing this way.

Hmmm, build a portable case for the phone and line it with copper?
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2008, 04:16:13 PM »


I can recommend this.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 04:17:54 PM »

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New paint blocks out cell phone signals
03/01/2006 6:32:02 PM PST · by Vermonter · 105 replies · 1,915+ views
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New paint blocks out cell phone signals ROCHESTER, N.Y., March 1 (UPI) -- A Rochester, N.Y., company has developed paint that can switch between blocking cell phone signals and allowing them through. "You could use this in a concert hall, allowing cell phones to work before the concert and during breaks, but shutting them down during the performance," said Michael Riedlinger, president of NaturalNano. Using nanotechnology, particles of copper are inserted into nanotubes, which are ultra-tiny tubes that occur naturally in halloysite clay mined in Utah. Combined with a radio-filtering device that collects phone signals from outside a shielded space,...

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 04:20:10 PM »

Hmmm, build a portable case for the phone and line it with copper?

Yes the idea here would be covert the RF to a current like an antenna so that it does not reach the phone; ditto for phone transmitted RF. I think this would have to tested and the copper lining may have to be grounded for it to work. I'm not sure. Then you can just pull it out when you are ready to use it.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 04:27:27 PM »


I can recommend this.

an excellent suggestion
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2008, 01:05:27 AM »

Copper or even tin should work.

so what you would actually need is some container painted with this to put the cell phone in?
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2008, 02:00:19 AM »

My contract is almost up on my mobile phone and I won't be renewing it.

It'll be going into the River Thames very soon!

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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2008, 04:21:16 AM »

Get rid of mobiles. They will be a liability to yourself and others. Wise up!
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2008, 06:06:09 AM »

so what you would actually need is some container painted with this to put the cell phone in?
From now on we'll be known as tin foil cellphone box wearers.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2008, 10:29:15 AM »


Make some Popcorn with your mobile phone !


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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2008, 10:40:00 AM »


I can recommend this.

I have done this, it is highly recommended.
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2008, 11:30:57 AM »

Any ideas on this ? I have mine with me all the time but I want to find a way to block it . Any kind of foil or fabric that could block it ? Can the gps part of the phone be deactivated without killing the phone ?

hey now; tracking and unconstitutionally bugging your phone conversations
aren't the only threat, you also got "digital infinity mike" plus remote video
camera activation by any pig or spy agency; remember they ALL have free
unfettered access to the cell phone industry computers, hell, the damnable
bastards practically own the whole bloody thing.

"infinity mike" features empower snoops to electronically send an "off hook"
signal to your phone so the mike picks up any sound within earshot of it.
Effectively the room, vehicle or where ever the phone is located becomes bugged.

remote camera activation: I watched an instructional video made by some cop
dept. in California someplace showing a demonstration of a "suspect" doing
a drug deal in an apartment with the camera activated recording video and
the "infinity mike" transmitting the audio.

cellphone rf jamming devices work good and do the job;
for  example here's one good link;
http://buy.ecplaza.net/search/1s1nf20sell/cellular_jammer.html
but using the phone requires you turn the jammer off then turn
it on again when your finished your call. you tell you friends &
associates to leave message and you have a schedule to check
your messages to call them back.

jammers effectively block all cellphones, tracking and surveillance
devices operating in these rf ranges within at least 20 - 30 meters.
they are ideally suited for "onstar" and other spy/tracking systems
planted into vehicles.

I'm looking into publishing complete plans, schematics and instructions
for folks to assemble their own from "off the shelf" electronic parts
and kits which can be assembled.

this is a very valuable asset to protecting your constitutional rights
to privacy.

the first option i tell people of course is to pop out the battery
whenever you don't choose to be tracked & monitored.
again like i explained above set up a schedule with your contacts
so you check your messages and call back.

James Burke of "CONNECTIONS" fame said: "Never in history have
so many people understood so little about so much!"
This is a very hard subject to explain because so much of the public
is completely clueless about how modern technology works.

It's true that cellphone technology was invented, like the telephone
and telegraph before it, not to track/spy on people but to empower
humans to communicate with each other from afar. It's when the
technology gets hijacked and perverted by tyrants that it gets
re-engineered as a weapon against the citizens.

TRIANGULATION:
First generation analog cell systems operated at lower (& safer) VHF
bands and had no built in surveillance capabilities. Cell service providers
could look at the computer logs and ascertain you made/received a call
on a certain date/time/duration but could NOT pinpoint your location;
ONLY that the call was handed off to a specific cell site tower which
positioned the user within range of one or 2 local towers typically
covered an area of a county or say the central region of a city.
Pinpointing a position using this tech. was very manpower intensive
requiring vehicle mounted rf directional equipment with a team of personnel.

Militants on the run used "shoot and scoot" tactics when using a cellphone
to avoid being caught during that era.
Back in the nineties during the sludge willy administration, death squads
from cia client regimes were being trained at the "school of the americas"
to chase down human rights activists and dissidents using teams with vans
and rf direction finding gear.

The transition from analog to digital trunked systems marked the start
of reshaping cellphone tech. into the spy/tracking platform.
2nd generation digital tracking introduced the "trilateration" tech.
with a positional accuracy +/- 50 meters when the central computer
connected with the handset thru MORE than 3 cellsites.

What is "TRILATERATION"?
The simplest possible explanation is an algorithm for computing
the loci where spheres intersect.

Naturally, position accuracy got degraded with fewer cell sites so
with one tower the accuracy was range of a vector several km in
length.

Also during this time frame the cellphone service providers started
supplying cop depts. all over with free laptop celphone interception
units for their squad cars.

3rd generation tracking introduced the embedded GPS chip to the handset.
This technique was called "wireless assisted GPS" location and is included
with cellphones you currenty have on the market.
Position calculation happens in 2 phases: 1st. phase- cell company computer
computes position using trilateration as described above, 2nd phase- calucated
data transmitted to handset microprocessor which then uses the trilateration
data to initialize the GPS microprocessor to compute an accelerated positional
computation. Unlike a conventional handheld GPS unit used by outdoors people
in wilderness areas for navigation the the cellphone GPS can initialize with a
position already computed in approx. 100 meters accuracy diameter so it can continuously
update your position +/- several meters with WAAS enabled and upload the data
to the central realtime tracking database every second.
So what's "WAAS" you ask: Wide area acquisition is intended to be the satellite-
borne successor to the old land based differential-based system.

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2008, 03:44:43 PM »

Any ideas on this ? I have mine with me all the time but I want to find a way to block it . Any kind of foil or fabric that could block it ? Can the gps part of the phone be deactivated without killing the phone ?

I have now experimented with simple tin, like tin cans and containers. When shut they make the phone innaccessible. You don't have to ground it with wire. I now store my cell phone in a small tin, unless I want to use it want it to be used.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2008, 04:17:03 PM »

Low cost solutions to disable GPS trackers

http://blog.tayx.co.uk/2008/04/02/low-cost-disable-gps/
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2008, 05:24:56 PM »

Here's RFID protection for your wallet - I think they make a simliar cell phone case, I'll look.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/

Here you go - I can't comment on how well each works as I have no personal experience, so here's a good google search for them: http://www.google.com/search?q=cell+phone+signal+blocking+case&hl=en&sa=2


And a bunch of info: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone-jammer6.htm
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2008, 07:00:33 PM »

Here's RFID protection for your wallet - I think they make a simliar cell phone case, I'll look.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/

Here you go - I can't comment on how well each works as I have no personal experience, so here's a good google search for them: http://www.google.com/search?q=cell+phone+signal+blocking+case&hl=en&sa=2


And a bunch of info: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone-jammer6.htm

Wow, talk about digging up an old thread!

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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2008, 07:30:32 PM »

I heard a lead lined box the size of a cig case works, but is intended for muting RFID's. Put the phone in one of these and call it to see if it goes through. Otherwise, pull the battery. That is why I have not upgraded to the new spy phones, but mine still gives out a signal. I can hear the intermittent buzz bleep sounds it makes on my computer speakers if the phone in near the computer or speakers..
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2008, 07:41:39 PM »

Just make a list of all cell towers in your geographic area ... for future reference.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2008, 07:45:56 PM »

I've all but given mine up...don't need a brain tumor.

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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2008, 08:01:02 PM »

These despotic bastards have some many ways to kill us , but we shall prevail. Our once great country has been drawn and quartered already, there is one hell of a fight comin'.
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2008, 10:23:19 AM »

take out the battery

With iphone you CAN'T remove the battery. Wonder why?  Cheesy
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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2008, 10:42:00 AM »

   You can stand under a large exterior metallic canopy and that will usually disrupt the GPS
signal, or inside a building away from windows, but you are still vulnerable to radio direction finding
using data from multiple cell sites.  Urban or population dense areas often have many smaller cells,
which give a better fix.  If you want privacy, stay away from phones and computers.  Even with a phone
that doesnt have any identifying info on the account they can figure out who you are by looking at your
calling habits and associating those habits.  My advice is to get a one way alphanumeric pager, though
almost anything has a vulnerability.
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2008, 10:45:31 AM »

From now on we'll be known as tin foil cellphone box wearers.

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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2008, 11:34:46 AM »

   You can stand under a large exterior metallic canopy and that will usually disrupt the GPS
signal, or inside a building away from windows, but you are still vulnerable to radio direction finding
using data from multiple cell sites.  Urban or population dense areas often have many smaller cells,
which give a better fix.  If you want privacy, stay away from phones and computers.  Even with a phone
that doesnt have any identifying info on the account they can figure out who you are by looking at your
calling habits and associating those habits.  My advice is to get a one way alphanumeric pager, though
almost anything has a vulnerability.

That is a good idea. In addition, radio direction finding is not as precise as GPS. They can triangulate you and put you in an area and could just about pinpoint you, but there are ways to "foil" that too, so to speak. One way would be to block out certain paths while leaving others open. If you know there are three towers you can hit with your phone, block out the other two directions. Try bending foil around you in different ways. Also, an external antenna jack would be invaluable here. You could get a directional antenna such as a yagi, then point it toward the tower you want to hit. You would be weaker in other directions. This would help keep you from being pinpointed. Another trick is to NOT point the directional antenna directly at the tower but bounce off of something that will deflect your signal towards the tower. This can make you harder to find as it looks like you are transmitting from somewhere else.
I've been considering getting a cell phone but have not due to these very concerns. Does anyone know of a cell phone that has an external antenna jack? Better yet, does anyone know how to convert the internal one to an external one?
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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2008, 11:54:56 AM »

Why the f**k do they love to track us?  They are probably gonna start shoving RFID's up our arses at death to make sure we don't escape our graves.  Geeze.
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2008, 12:33:57 PM »


>>>"Any ideas on this ? I have mine with me all the time but I want to find a way to block it . Any kind of foil or fabric that could block it ? Can the gps part of the phone be deactivated without killing the phone ?"
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Yes there are ideas on this.

Cell phones are tracked 2 ways:

1 - 2-D trilateration where timing signals initiated by the cell
company central computer and transmitted by the cell site
transmitter-antenna are returned by the cell phone, acting
as a transponder) and this data is sent to the cell company
computer where a position is calculated using trilateration
which can fix the phone's position to a maximum accuracy of +/-
50 meters but only if the phone connects (handshakes) with 3 or more
cell towers.
When you connect with only 1 or 2 cell site towers, like in rural areas,
the position accuracy drops off to a much larger area.
If your digital cell ph. is one more that 2 years old it's probably on
the list of cells which don't have the embedded GPS receiver chip,
so that’s the only way they can track it.
 
Now read that I said trilateration and not triangulation.
We’re talking 2 different animals here. Problem is the public don't have
a clue what the difference is between the 2 methods. GPS receiver
microprocessors use the 3D trilateration algorithm because they
also compute the user's altitude above mean sea level.

2 - "Wireless-assisted GPS": Any cell phone you go out and buy now uses
this technology to track your position.
There's 2 stages in this: 1st.: The 2-d trilateration position is first calculated
like I described above. 2nd: The cell company computer transmits this
calculated position data thru the cell site transmitter to your cell ph.
microprocessor which sends it to the onboard GPS processor which
uses dnloaded satellite data and using WAAS computes your position
within the first calculated position circle to within +/- 3 meter accuracy.
The specific reason for the for this 2-step procedure is the acceleration
of computational speed by using already acquired cell data speeding up
position data acquisition by a factor of 10.
Therefore if you are using an older "1st generation" digital phone
w/no embedded gps keep it because it provides you an extra degree of
privacy against the newer ones with onboard gps AND the other surveillance
platform stuff like remote digital infinity mike & remote video activation.

Short of throwing away the phone or leaving it at home you should set a schedule for using your phone and pop the battery out when you’re not using it and only turn it on when your expecting a call. You simply tell people to call at a prearranged time frame.
When you go anywhere or engage in a conversation you want to keep confidential you just make sure you remove the battery.

Now this begs the question; what do I say to the dummy who says
"why should you want privacy protection if you’re not doing anything wrong?"
My answer to dummy is "Why should I need ANY reason whatsoever for
exercising my constitutional civil rights? Why should I need the approval
of some damnable pig for the exercising of my constitutional rights for
privacy?" The answer is I just don't have to give any justification whatever
to exercise my constitutional rights.


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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2008, 12:47:51 PM »

Now this begs the question; what do I say to the dummy who says
"why should you want privacy protection if you’re not doing anything wrong?"

An easier answer to this question is to say that THEY could be the ones doing something wrong. Not you.

Thanks for the informative post.
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2008, 01:00:16 PM »

Now I read somewhere one time, some security journal (I'll try and find it) about some phones having an internal battery and that one could still be tracked even if taking out the main battery...I wish I could find that article...What about the stove being stolen and having GPS in it?
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2008, 01:02:12 PM »

I would think that it might have a watch battery inside, with hardly enough to power the whole phone.
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2008, 03:12:49 PM »

Get a Nintendo DS and make free calls through any wifi hotspot--no joke.

You just need a micro ds card chip, svsip homebrew on the DS, and a free account at http://voipbuster.com.  Took me about 2 minutes flat to setup.  You'll need to get a ds headset for decent sound quality, however.

http://svsip.free.fr/spip.php?rubrique9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MfomoQ8pVM
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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2008, 06:41:25 PM »

Get a Nintendo DS and make free calls through any wifi hotspot--no joke.

You just need a micro ds card chip, svsip homebrew on the DS, and a free account at http://voipbuster.com.  Took me about 2 minutes flat to setup.  You'll need to get a ds headset for decent sound quality, however.

http://svsip.free.fr/spip.php?rubrique9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MfomoQ8pVM

If you want to have a cellphone without being tracked then use a Nokia E Series (I have E51 - recommended) but remove the sim card then the phone will start offline. You can then connect to your (or your neighbour's?) wifi or any hotspot and use the provider as suggested by Echelon or others. In most countries you can find a voip provider that will supply an incoming number. You can keep a sim card handy to connect to a GSM network if you have to.

Another advantage of these phones is that you can listen to shoutcast radio over wifi (inc. AJ show) or over GSM/3G (but this defeats the above object!). Or stream video/audio from your home PC using an app like Orb.

I'm not saying that voip is "safe" because they will be listening and monitoring, but that's the case for all forms of communication.

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