My Grandma is getting into the occult

[GoingEtheric]

the reason many high level members of the occult keep close tabs on bloodlines is so they know who to favor, who to 'tap', etc.

[Lex1t64]

Hello, I am an occult student and practitioner and I must say, I was a bit surprised by this recent show. First of all, Alister Crowley life is seen as outrages and radical even to most occult practitioners. He did not leave the Golden Dawn, he was kicked out because he wanted to introduce more homosexual rituals into the golden dawns traditional rituals and the current leaders of the day were a bit disgusted and argued with Crowley and eventually booted him out. To use Crowley as a main figure head of the occult is laughable at best. To suggest that the Qabala, pentacle, Goddess, and studies of esoteric religion is "evil" is down right ignorant. First, the Qabala is a study of the human condition and all the stages of emotion leading up to understanding, wisdom and eventually enlightenment. The pentacle is a symbol that predates Lucifer and Christianity and to suggest its a demonic symbol is again ignorant. Today amongst those who study the occult and witchcraft use this symbol to represent "Water, Fire, Earth, Air, Spirit" just as the Chinese do except they exchange spirit for energy or lightning. The symbol shows how our spirit is connected to all the elements...what part of that is satanic again? The Goddess is a symbol of all that is feminine, the good and the bad, as its generally agreed upon by pagans and occultist. So to accuse of any goddess worship as being evil is quit literally saying that the female gender is evil. On these monuments where the goddess might be holding her arm out, is not taking a sacrifice as Alex said, but welcoming the dead to her love and embrace as a mother would hold out her arms to a child in need. There were so many obscure stories that Freeman brought up, so many holes and out right fiction that I almost question Alex's journalistic professionalism. I will remain a supporter of Alex when it comes to politics and 9/11 because I have done my research on everything he says and I agree with him, but when it comes to the occult, Alex himself needs to do more research before making these blatant accusation on the world of occultism and Wicca, Shamanism, et cetra.
Blessings

[MooseHunter]

Genealogy as a science is as innocent as a newborn baby.

Do occultists use genealogy, for example to cast spells or to achieve a particular objective or whatever. I would not dismiss that at all.

Do occultists drink and eat, defecate and urinate, read and write, cry and whisper, wear clothes and necklaces? You bet. Does that make eating or urinating an occult practice? Not necessarily. But if done in specific ways, it can be occultic.

I would not dismiss anything as possibly occultic, including genealogy, if this knowledge is used in some ritualistic way known to be specific to occultism. If you watch some of the drawing and writings done by occultists on talismans you would not find it difficult to understand that they could be using genealogy in their rituals.

[xTruthSeekerx]

i laugh at occultists

[MooseHunter]

Hello, I am an occult student and practitioner and I must say, I was a bit surprised by this recent show. First of all, Alister Crowley life is seen as outrages and radical even to most occult practitioners. He did not leave the Golden Dawn, he was kicked out because he wanted to introduce more homosexual rituals into the golden dawns traditional rituals and the current leaders of the day were a bit disgusted and argued with Crowley and eventually booted him out. To use Crowley as a main figure head of the occult is laughable at best. To suggest that the Qabala, pentacle, Goddess, and studies of esoteric religion is "evil" is down right ignorant. First, the Qabala is a study of the human condition and all the stages of emotion leading up to understanding, wisdom and eventually enlightenment. The pentacle is a symbol that predates Lucifer and Christianity and to suggest its a demonic symbol is again ignorant. Today amongst those who study the occult and witchcraft use this symbol to represent "Water, Fire, Earth, Air, Spirit" just as the Chinese do except they exchange spirit for energy or lightning. The symbol shows how our spirit is connected to all the elements...what part of that is satanic again? The Goddess is a symbol of all that is feminine, the good and the bad, as its generally agreed upon by pagans and occultist. So to accuse of any goddess worship as being evil is quit literally saying that the female gender is evil. On these monuments where the goddess might be holding her arm out, is not taking a sacrifice as Alex said, but welcoming the dead to her love and embrace as a mother would hold out her arms to a child in need. There were so many obscure stories that Freeman brought up, so many holes and out right fiction that I almost question Alex's journalistic professionalism. I will remain a supporter of Alex when it comes to politics and 9/11 because I have done my research on everything he says and I agree with him, but when it comes to the occult, Alex himself needs to do more research before making these blatant accusation on the world of occultism and Wicca, Shamanism, et cetra.
Blessings

Are you denying that occultists/witches do not, for example, carry out human sacrifices to spirits?

[xTruthSeekerx]

, the good and the bad, as its generally agreed upon by pagans and occultist. So to accuse of any goddess worship as being evil is quit literally saying that the female gender is evil. On these monuments where the goddess might be holding her arm out, is not taking a sacrifice as Alex said, but welcoming the dead to her love and embrace as a mother would hold out her arms to a child in need.


may i say what the hell in the bold,

[GoingEtheric]

Hello, I am an occult student and practitioner and I must say, I was a bit surprised by this recent show. First of all, Alister Crowley life is seen as outrages and radical even to most occult practitioners. He did not leave the Golden Dawn, he was kicked.
Blessings

sorry if we approach with what seems like a grudge; those of your 'spiritual leaning' having been doing quite the number on us. Somehow they got the impression that they can do as they will.

[Lex1t64]

I could not say that all occultist or witches do not make sacrifices, but for the most part, no we don't at all. I know many witches and occultist and we honestly laugh at the misconceptions held by the general ignorant public. Its not really your fault, hollywood doesn't help our cause any and lets be honest...Christians don't like anything that doesn't fit in their bible. Occult isn't a religion par say, its a way of living. There is a lot of meditation and exploration of your self that goes into it. Sacrafices are very frowned upon by the witch community and well, we occultist do our own thing. Some might do sacrafices, and I as well as many fellow practitioners scowl at that. If you find lighting candles, wearing robes, chanting, meditation, and praying to gods/ess evil..then maybe you should question ever going back into a church. I will answer questions about the occult and witchcraft for those who really wish to know but I don't appreciate ignorant slander from those who know nothing of what they are speaking about.

Blessings

[GoingEtheric]

I could not say that all occultist or witches do not make sacrifices, but for the most part, no we don't at all. I know many witches and occultist and we honestly laugh at the misconceptions held by the general ignorant public. Its not really your fault, hollywood doesn't help our cause any and lets be honest...Christians don't like anything that d.......

ok then... how are spirits called to a location?
how do you achieve alpha-mode in meditation?

[xTruthSeekerx]

christianity and the occult have nothing in common

[Lex1t64]

Many ways to call a spirit, never one way to doing anything in life. One might get into alpha state during meditation if you will (one process of doing this is simply getting into a comfortable position, closing your eyes, visualize a screen in front of you and on the screen see the numbers count from one up to ten, taking long breaths and relaxing your body and mind) there are many ways of achieving different relaxation methods through meditation, read any Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and so forth spiritual book and they usually have many methods of achieving a good meditative state. Summoning spirits is a bit more tricky and to be honest...not something I really do. But during a ritual, yes a ritual just like going to church is being part of a ritual, I would ask for helpful spirits and gods/ess to join me. Now, I have not personally "seen" a spirit though many times have felt presence in my circle with me, much as I used to on occasion feel the presence of Jesus while in mass...I was catholic for 18 years. But there are chants one can do while in a trance and using thick smoke for the spirit to sorta take form. I can also call a friend on the phone and have him bring his spirit over so we can hang out hehe, there are many ways. I am not defending the government and their use of the occult. I am simply saying you can not accuse all occultist of being evil or sacrificing, or worshiping Lucifer...which I must say is the biggest misconception of all...considering the fact that Lucifer is a Christian deity...and uh Occultist and witches are not Christians thus we don't even really believe in Lucifer's existence...except of course that he is very real to Christians. But that is deep metaphysical thinking that I am sure would take too much space to explain.

Blessings

[GoingEtheric]

Many ways to call a spirit, never one way to doing anything in life. One might get into alpha state during meditation if you will (one process of doing this is simply getting into a comfortable position, closing your eyes, visualize a screen in front of you and on t........
Blessings

hmm. I'll try that counting thing. Been attempting this for a while. It's hard to quiet the mind and hear "the force"

[MooseHunter]

I could not say that all occultist or witches do not make sacrifices, but for the most part, no we don't at all. I know many witches and occultist and we honestly laugh at the misconceptions held by the general ignorant public. Its not really your fault, hollywood doesn't help our cause any and lets be honest...Christians don't like anything that doesn't fit in their bible. Occult isn't a religion par say, its a way of living. There is a lot of meditation and exploration of your self that goes into it. Sacrafices are very frowned upon by the witch community and well, we occultist do our own thing. Some might do sacrafices, and I as well as many fellow practitioners scowl at that. If you find lighting candles, wearing robes, chanting, meditation, and praying to gods/ess evil..then maybe you should question ever going back into a church. I will answer questions about the occult and witchcraft for those who really wish to know but I don't appreciate ignorant slander from those who know nothing of what they are speaking about.

Blessings

Well, maybe someone didn't make himself clear here. Occultism, witchcraft, paganism, magick and wicca do not refer to one and the same thing, so we should avoid using them interchangeably. I agree perfectly that pagans do not necessarily engage in sacrifices to gods, although there are many who do. So, I guess you might fit the description of someone who belongs to a  non-sacrificial cult within paganism or wicca, or a newbie.

One cannot dismiss the fact of occultic practices involving human and non-human sacrifices to gods and spirits. Ancient religions from the time of Babylon, to Pharaohs, Greek mythological religion, Jewish Kabbala, the Mayans, African witchcraft and until today all share the bad side of occultism, if you will, which involves some kind of human or animal sacrifice to gods.

Normally the extreme action is reserved for the elite priests within those cults and religions, and they get the privilege of witnessing the most perverted acts that their gods tell them to do. The initiates would normally be told a completely different story. Compartmentalization is what the priests are good at. There is the great compartmentalization that separate the initiates and the profane, and withing the initiates there are hierarchies. A newbie might be told that everything is sweet, and that their symbology is purely innocent and godly. I wonder how many people in the USA know that their fed res bills have occultic symbols all over them..

[Lex1t64]

Its ok, not everyone can meditate, takes practice...not sure what the whole force thing is about but whatever. Anyone who thinks Christianity has nothing in common with the occult needs to retake their history classes...or maybe for some individuals...take them for the first time. First research Gnosis Christianity, then research Cabala...spelled that way with the C because that is the christian version. Also pay attention to current day masses at your local church...steeped with occultism just Christianity is the "accepted" mysticism of today of the general public so its not questioned. As for sacrifices...I do not know of any religion that has had more then the Christian religion. How many millions have been killed in the name of the One true God? Magickal practice, Occult, Wicca, Pagan, what have you, is a personal thing. That is what is very appealing to many practitioners, is there is no one book to tell you how you must practice your faith. Its a journey of the Self, learning about your universe and your soul and how you connect. To say that most occultist sacrifice is a dead wrong assessment. I would agree that some people do it but from all the communities that I know, the covens, the solitary practitioners, the groves what have you, that sort of thing is considered barbaric. I am no newbi nor am I ignorant. I do believe that the government has used their knowledge of the occult to hurt our world, and that is very wrong in my opinion. But occult knowledge is like a gun, the gun is not dangerous, its whose holding it that counts.

Blessings

Blessings

[xTruthSeekerx]

Its ok, not everyone can meditate, takes practice...not sure what the whole force thing is about but whatever. Anyone who thinks Christianity has nothing in common with the occult needs to retake their history classes...or maybe for some individuals...take them for the first time. First research Gnosis Christianity, then research Cabala...spelled that way with the C because that is the christian version. Also pay attention to current day masses at your local church...steeped with occultism just Christianity is the "accepted" mysticism of today of the general public so its not questioned. As for sacrifices...I do not know of any religion that has had more then the Christian religion. How many millions have been killed in the name of the One true God? Magickal practice, Occult, Wicca, Pagan, what have you, is a personal thing.
Blessings

you have no power the only person who has power is the lord not your phoney little cirle jerk dances you all participate in, meditation is a tool of the devil to clear your mind of all things including god. the only true christian form is non denominaltional evangelical aka a real relationship with JESUS. sacrifices were by the jews in the old testament

[Lex1t64]

Truth Seeker...what makes what you said even more funny then the words suggest...is I think you believe them and that just is very comical indeed. I am glad you have found a belief that makes you happy, its just too bad you are not secure enough in your belief to understand others. You are driven to hate because of your belief, so you can keep it. I don't need to be in a religion that hates so much. Blessings to you and yours and goodnight.

[GoingEtheric]

Its ok, not everyone can meditate, takes practice...not sure what the whole force thing is about but whatever........

the force. lol. from star wars. I'm tapping into the psychic energy. Listening to the beyond, rather than the 5 senses. Thats what I meant.

I'll assume the rest of your post is a response to someone else.

[xTruthSeekerx]

Truth Seeker...what makes what you said even more funny then the words suggest...is I think you believe them and that just is very comical indeed. I am glad you have found a belief that makes you happy, its just too bad you are not secure enough in your belief to understand others. You are driven to hate because of your belief, so you can keep it. I don't need to be in a religion that hates so much. Blessings to you and yours and goodnight.

comical to believe that christianity is the only way? i respect ogther relgions yes but not the occult, demonic in nature and no ties to christianity and used in the most evil forms to fullfull GAI OMG SAVE GAIA FROM CO2. hell no, the earth changes due to natural events not because of some mystical form that it needs blood to survive. Satan has done his job quite well

[GoingEtheric]

comical to believe that christianity is the only way? i respect ogther relgions yes but not the occult, demonic in nature and no ties to christianity and used in the most evil forms to fullfull GAI OMG SAVE GAIA FROM CO2. hell no, the earth changes due to natural events not because of some mystical form that it needs blood to survive. Satan has done his job quite well

hey I don't trust the occult either; it's hard when there's no fixed right-n-wrong. It opens the flood gates for dark magick.

But you can't own the world without knowing something we [christians] don't. I'll absorb their info, be respectful, but i'll be keeping my version of right and wrong.

[xTruthSeekerx]

hey I don't trust the occult either; it's hard when there's no fixed right-n-wrong. It opens the flood gates for dark magick.

But you can't own the world without knowing something we [christians] don't. I'll absorb their info, be respectful, but i'll be keeping my version of right and wrong.

yeah its a bad habit of mine to go off like that but when it comes to defedning ill do it
a lot of zeitgeist people on here due to the nature of his posts

[Lex1t64]

You do know that the word Occult means hidden, or supernatural. Occultism is the belief of the supernatural. Wouldn't believing in a God that was beyond the universe with powers beyond our understand...believing in the supernatural. I don't mind that you don't respect the Occult, I am very firm in my beliefs and "powers" as you called them, and yes I do have them. No I can't fly or shoot lightning from my butt, but I can change my world, I have changed it many times. I have done things that people say "oh that a coincidence" but I wonder how many times do coincidences have to occur before people start believing that I am makeing them happen. And it isn't by worshiping your devil, that ridiculous being you blame for your sins and "immoral" thoughts. Just because you don't want to take responsibility for your sins or the evils in the world doesn't mean its some dark angel that rebelled against God. If you think you know everything about our universe, if you think everything is explained in those few selected gospels that Constantine and an assortment of Bishops of different sects of Christianity decided to put together while ignoring the rest, has all your answers, then fine. Live your life that way and I really do hope your happy and live well. Just don't be pretentious and act as if you know me or my faith because the Catholic church decided that anyone who spoke out against their rules, their laws, their divinity was evil. As I said, you can have that faith. In my faith, you can worship anyone you want and I can too and we can still live in the same universe and work together for a better understanding of life.

Blessings

[xTruthSeekerx]

You do know that the word Occult means hidden, or supernatural. Occultism is the belief of the supernatural. Wouldn't believing in a God that was beyond the universe with powers beyond our understand...believing in the supernatural. I don't mind that you don't respect the Occult, I am very firm in my beliefs and "powers" as you called them, and yes I do have them. No I can't fly or shoot lightning from my butt, but I can change my world, I have changed it many times. I have done things that people say "oh that a coincidence" but I wonder how many times do coincidences have to occur before people start believing that I am makeing them happen. And it isn't by worshiping your devil, that ridiculous being you blame for your sins and "immoral" thoughts. Just because you don't want to take responsibility for your sins or the evils in the world doesn't mean its some dark angel that rebelled against God. If you think you know everything about our universe, if you think everything is explained in those few selected gospels that Constantine and an assortment of Bishops of different sects of Christianity decided to put together while ignoring the rest, has all your answers, then fine. Live your life that way and I really do hope your happy and live well. Just don't be pretentious and act as if you know me or my faith because the Catholic church decided that anyone who spoke out against their rules, their laws, their divinity was evil. As I said, you can have that faith. In my faith, you can worship anyone you want and I can too and we can still live in the same universe and work together for a better understanding of life.

Blessings

excuse me i take responsibility due to my surroundings, satan will fill our minds with trash along with the nwo. making things happen is against christianity

[GoingEtheric]

You do know that the word Occult means hidden, or supernatural. Occultism is the belief of the supernatural. Wouldn't believing in a God that was beyond the universe with powers beyond our understand...believing in the supernatural. I don't mind that you don't respect the Occult, I am very firm in my beliefs and "powers" as you called them, and yes I do have them. No I can't fly o........

The danger lies in the balance of right and wrong. these illuminati types don't believe in right and wrong. And understandably so, they've accepted a religion where not only are there no definitions for such, but ethics ( the concept) doesn't exist at all. The ultimate pragmatists. We war against the moral relativists, not so much the Occult. It's just that the occult provides 'safe harbor' for moral relativists, so they seem one in the same.

[Lex1t64]

Going Etheric I agree with you, as I have said in a few posts above, what these elitist are doing with their knowledge of the Occult is very negative and I am very much against it. What you might not be aware of is there are many practitioners that are fighting their magick, believe in it or not, with our own and are putting ourselves in danger when we do. The Occult isn't an organization, there are organizations that use the occult though. So its not that we are protecting them, they are protecting themselves. Fight fire with fire, instead of bashing us you should want us as allies, because if nothing else, those Illuminati types, those rich and very powerful people, do believe in the occult and magick very much.

Blessings

[clearmyst]

Occult is not evil, it is hidden knowledge kept from the common man you'v only to look at a related word like occluded to see its true meaning.

Whats evil is they are keeping all sorts of knowledge from us,
well they will not keep it from those of us who hunt for it like bloodhounds
 

[GoingEtheric]

Going Etheric I agree with you, as I have said in a few posts above, what these elitist are doing with their knowledge of the Occult is very negative and I am very much against it. What you might not be aware of is there are many practitioners that are fighting their magick, believ........

hey I'm not gonna bash you. If you believe there are some things that are wrong ( chemtrails, 9/11. etc ), then we're fine. I'm christian, but my head doesn't live in a box.

either Jesus used magic, or he's a really good surgeon. I think it [magic] can be used for good, but it's a slippery slope, he knew that, so he warned against it .Hard not to fall into the dark side. When we humans become empowered, it's hard to restrain ourselves. So I don't stray into that.

As I said, somehow these dark magicians rule the world. And I'm interested in how much of that occultic knowledge I can use without becoming tainted myself.

[GoingEtheric]

Occult is not evil, it is hidden knowledge kept from the common man you'v only to look at a related word like occluded to see its true meaning.

Whats evil is they are keeping all sorts of knowledge from us,
well they will not keep it from those of us who hunt for it like bloodhounds
 

yeah, it pisses me off royal.
These satanists know the truth about the whole story. Atlantis, the wars in space, the nature of the spirit world, reason for HAARP and chemtrails, who built the pyramids, psychic powers, astral-bodies, everything.

But ALAS, we gotta do all this work.

[Lex1t64]

Yeah, I won't lie, the temptation is definitely there. But, I suppose its like lust, if you have a good handle on that then most likely you won't slip into the dark side. Ill be honest again and say that according to the occult there is not "evil" but there is negative, and I don't like negative. I know its a part of this universe, life and death, harvests grow then die out to regrow, et cetra. But consciously causing undo harm unto innocent people is a big no no in most practitioners books. In fact, a common witches Cree is "harm none". To me there is no real temptation, oh there is always that temptation to curse a boss that hates me and makes my life miserable, but I would never do it. Through practicing the occult, I came to understand Christianity as I never could while studying Catholicism for 18 years. I am not trying to convert, we never do. The occult, and any form of pagan, witchcraft, what have you, is a calling and we all understand that. Yes, I obviously have my somewhat negative opinions about Christianity but that doesn't mean I hate Christians.  I know many good people who are Christian and many who have open minds. When you come right down to it, I believe in our souls, our spirit. Our will power. Science has proven how much our will and consciousness affects the universe. Just look at quantum physics for instance. We all have the power to change this world, we are not slaves to the government or to any god or goddess. Free will doesn't mean life is a test, it means life is an exploration!
Oh by the way, about Atlantis, wars in space and such, we are just very imaginative. Atlantis hasn't been disprove so hey, why not think it may have existed, whats the harm. As for the nature of the spirit world, thats tricky. People who tap into that, from all different cultures, do so in a way that their psyche can "understand" it, that is why people have different views of the same experience. There is no one truth, one answer, in the end only Your truth matters. Your truth shapes your being and the environment around you. If you want to be Christian and follow those ideals then that is your truth and it is as real to you as my truth is to me. This universe is big enough for all of us and much more so there is no need for hate or anger. Unfortunately we have all allowed the Illuminati truth to affect us and be absorbed into our world, so now we must deal with it.
Blessings

[Lex1t64]

Yeah, I won't lie, the temptation is definitely there. But, I suppose its like lust, if you have a good handle on that then most likely you won't slip into the dark side. Ill be honest again and say that according to the occult there is not "evil" but there is negative, and I don't like negative. I know its a part of this universe, life and death, harvests grow then die out to regrow, et cetra. But consciously causing undo harm unto innocent people is a big no no in most practitioners books. In fact, a common witches Cree is "harm none". To me there is no real temptation, oh there is always that temptation to curse a boss that hates me and makes my life miserable, but I would never do it. Through practicing the occult, I came to understand Christianity as I never could while studying Catholicism for 18 years. I am not trying to convert, we never do. The occult, and any form of pagan, witchcraft, what have you, is a calling and we all understand that. Yes, I obviously have my somewhat negative opinions about Christianity but that doesn't mean I hate Christians.  I know many good people who are Christian and many who have open minds. When you come right down to it, I believe in our souls, our spirit. Our will power. Science has proven how much our will and consciousness affects the universe. Just look at quantum physics for instance. We all have the power to change this world, we are not slaves to the government or to any god or goddess. Free will doesn't mean life is a test, it means life is an exploration!
Oh by the way, about Atlantis, wars in space and such, we are just very imaginative. Atlantis hasn't been disprove so hey, why not think it may have existed, whats the harm. As for the nature of the spirit world, thats tricky. People who tap into that, from all different cultures, do so in a way that their psyche can "understand" it, that is why people have different views of the same experience. There is no one truth, one answer, in the end only Your truth matters. Your truth shapes your being and the environment around you. If you want to be Christian and follow those ideals then that is your truth and it is as real to you as my truth is to me. This universe is big enough for all of us and much more so there is no need for hate or anger. Unfortunately we have all allowed the Illuminati truth to affect us and be absorbed into our world, so now we must deal with it.
Blessings

[GoingEtheric]

Yeah, I won't lie, the temptation is definitely there. But, I suppose its like lust, if you have a good handle on that then most likely you won't slip into the dark side. Ill be honest again and say that according to the occult there is not "evil" but there is negative, and ......

oh no, that's just it. I BELIEVE in atlantis and wars in space, and know the illuminati knows their corresponding details.

But I will say this, "negative", without clear definition is a useless article. For "some", 9/11 was a "positive" day whose outcome was "fortunate" ; needless to say, this leads us right back to the problem of moral relativity.

And, what if there is a negative spirit. One who is exceedingly powerful, and exceedingly intelligent. What if his name is satan, and his worshipers own the planet? What then?

[ProphecyBuster]

you have no power the only person who has power is the lord not your phoney little cirle jerk dances you all participate in, meditation is a tool of the devil to clear your mind of all things including god. the only true christian form is non denominaltional evangelical aka a real relationship with JESUS. sacrifices were by the jews in the old testament

This is basic Christian thought.......putting all faith in a man made religion....what I have found funny is the fact that Jesus never even knew the word Christian......man came up with it some 40 years after is death. Basic Fundamental Christianity I am right and your wrong.

[Nailer]

have her cast a spell on the candidates obama , McCain where they can only speak the truth. god that would be funny to hear them saying america is screwed and the government is making plans for mass killings in FEMA camps..  The crap would surely hit the fan as the whitehouse would burn ..

[Cruise4]

What a load of ignorant drivel. It's obvious much more on the Occult is needed so some people actually become educated on the subject.

[ProphecyBuster]

Political Truths would be a conspiracy within themselves because then the public would wonder what the hell they are up to. As if we do not wonder enough already.

What a load of ignorant drivel. It's obvious much more on the Occult is needed so some people actually become educated on the subject.

I agree.

[dogmadestroyer]

Truth Seeker...what makes what you said even more funny then the words suggest...is I think you believe them and that just is very comical indeed. I am glad you have found a belief that makes you happy, its just too bad you are not secure enough in your belief to understand others. You are driven to hate because of your belief, so you can keep it. I don't need to be in a religion that hates so much. Blessings to you and yours and goodnight.

Welcome to the board and pay no attention to the foaming at the mouth.

comical to believe that christianity is the only way? i respect ogther relgions yes but not the occult, demonic in nature and no ties to christianity and used in the most evil forms to fullfull GAI OMG SAVE GAIA FROM CO2. hell no, the earth changes due to natural events not because of some mystical form that it needs blood to survive. Satan has done his job quite well

HAHAHA I really laughed out loud on that one. You sir, are an idiot. The earth-WORSHIP prison has nothing to do with this.

What a load of ignorant drivel. It's obvious much more on the Occult is needed so some people actually become educated on the subject.

Exactly.

[MooseHunter]

 Lex1t64-->> Would you dismiss that genealogy might be used in occultic rituals, either positively or negatively, because the starter of this thread made up a story about his granny which meant to imply that genealogy is purely harmless and in no way can it be used in occultism. Would you agree with him? Please help wake him up to the reality of the all-encompassing nature of occultism, because to its practitioners it is a way of life, and thus covers all sorts of human activity, including possibly anything to do with genealogy.

[ProphecyBuster]

Hello, I am an occult student and practitioner and I must say, I was a bit surprised by this recent show. First of all, Alister Crowley life is seen as outrages and radical even to most occult practitioners. He did not leave the Golden Dawn, he was kicked out because he wanted to introduce more homosexual rituals into the golden dawns traditional rituals and the current leaders of the day were a bit disgusted and argued with Crowley and eventually booted him out. To use Crowley as a main figure head of the occult is laughable at best. To suggest that the Qabala, pentacle, Goddess, and studies of esoteric religion is "evil" is down right ignorant. First, the Qabala is a study of the human condition and all the stages of emotion leading up to understanding, wisdom and eventually enlightenment. The pentacle is a symbol that predates Lucifer and Christianity and to suggest its a demonic symbol is again ignorant. Today amongst those who study the occult and witchcraft use this symbol to represent "Water, Fire, Earth, Air, Spirit" just as the Chinese do except they exchange spirit for energy or lightning. The symbol shows how our spirit is connected to all the elements...what part of that is satanic again? The Goddess is a symbol of all that is feminine, the good and the bad, as its generally agreed upon by pagans and occultist. So to accuse of any goddess worship as being evil is quit literally saying that the female gender is evil. On these monuments where the goddess might be holding her arm out, is not taking a sacrifice as Alex said, but welcoming the dead to her love and embrace as a mother would hold out her arms to a child in need. There were so many obscure stories that Freeman brought up, so many holes and out right fiction that I almost question Alex's journalistic professionalism. I will remain a supporter of Alex when it comes to politics and 9/11 because I have done my research on everything he says and I agree with him, but when it comes to the occult, Alex himself needs to do more research before making these blatant accusation on the world of occultism and Wicca, Shamanism, et cetra.
Blessings

I just re read this and Shamanism is not a religion nor is it considered one in most circles....

[GoingEtheric]

Lex1t64-->> Would you dismiss that genealogy might be used in occultic rituals, either positively or negatively, because the starter of this thread made up a story about his granny which meant to imply that genealogy is purely harmless and in no way can it be used in occultism. Would you agree with him? Please help wake him up to the reality of the all-encompassing nature of occultism, because to its practitioners it is a way of life, and thus covers all sorts of human activity, including possibly anything to do with genealogy.

no. He [OP] was actually tripping hard about his granny doing genealogy research.

And I think the elite ( who are often occultists ) are obsessed with bloodlines so they know who to favor. Skull-n-bones, for instance, doesn't have applications. You can't 'apply within', you get "tapped". But you'll only be tapped with an acceptable bloodline. The function of this obsession is to keep wealth and power "in the family" ( hence the inbreeding ), and has nothing to do the occult itself.

[Marc3579]

Are you denying that occultists/witches do not, for example, carry out human sacrifices to spirits?

I'll deny it. No witch I know of carry out human sacrifices to any God/Goddess. Voodoo practitioners, Santeria followers may do animal sacrifices. But, I can't say, that knowing for sure they do. Because, I don't talk to Voodoo practitioners, or Santeria followers. At least, for a few years, I haven't ran into either.

But, I can and will deny your idea that witches carry out human sacrifices. The religion is about respect for the earth, respect for the universe as a whole.

I'm sure, you'll try to refute what I said, so I'll await your reply...

[Lex1t64]

Correct Shamanism isn't a religion its a practice, like the occult is a practice not a religion. I am sorry if that was sorta confusing, I was in a state of rant when I was typing that. As for genealogy, I will say this: There are no rules to the Occult, one finds the practice they like and stick with it and usually it changes as the person grows. If certain organizations wish to use genealogy to "empower" what they do, and if they truly believe in it, then yes it does have an effect.  To practice magick one must have supreme confidence in what one is doing, any shades of doubt and the chances of success decrease. So, if a person feels that they were born with "the gift" with some "god blood" (which is moot, in general occultist believe all humans are divine but apparently the elites do not) then this would have a profound psychological affect that would go a long way to creating a super ego of confidence and thus increase the chances of success. This way one doesn't need to rely on ones own gifts but can feel confidant in the gifts of their blood. Its quit genius really. Weather or not the blood is special doesn't matter, the psychological affect alone enhances the practitioners "ability". What you believe in makes little difference, true power, enlightenment, and understanding come with belief itself. Be it a One god or a forest, belief is what gives us spiritual power not what were believing in. I am not saying that the Christian god doesn't lend his gifts to his followers, just as pagan gods lend theirs to their followers, but we would not receive those gifts if we did not truly believe in those beings, some would argue that those gifts are actually us tapping deeper into the cosmic energies through spiritual enlightenment but I think that conversation is for a different board.

Blessings