Suicide Epidemic Grips Japan

[CigarsNBourbon]

You know what I haven't had in awhile? Carmel creams.

[Sub-X]

this thread is a perfect example of atheist intolerance.

As I said you assume too much and know so little  

[thadividedsky]

Good job everyone, ya moved a valid story to the whining section. Elijah and mods, I appoligise for my part in this rediculous episode of intolerance and petty squabling. peace

[Kronos]

... and get on with the business at hand which was?

Religious proselytizing while the Japanese commit seppuku... or... wait... atheists gripping Japanese Christian epidemic... er... no...   Fukyou grips Japan... hmm... no...  I don't remember.   

[CigarsNBourbon]

Anyone else share in my sudden desire for carmel creams?

[Optimus]

this thread is a perfect example of atheist intolerance.

I thought this thread was about Japanese suicide statistics.

[φυδγε]

Not believing in the Christian doctrine does not make me an atheist. That statement right there is probably the most intolerant statement in this thread.

Yeah I'm not even an atheist.

I know it's intolerant to call anything that isn't yourself evil and an atheist.  My solution is to hurl insults right back at them.

Hey Chocolatey, Coccolatte, little boy/girl/boy, you are a nazi scumbag and Christians pray daily that you'll change your religion.

God called and said your a sick girl - chocolate pansy!!!!

I can't wait for the apocalypse, hope god doesn't give ya a good buggering or even worse a little irrumation.  Aw, but you'd love for your creator to force fellatio on you, he told me since I pray a lot and speak to him.

oh so much peace love and respect, I can't get enough of all the LOVE!!!!!!!!

[Chocolaty]

Guys, enough of the religious crap. We all have a right to our religion and NOBODY has the right to convert any of us from our beliefs.

You hear that wanted? DOGMA destroyer? sub-x? So stop bashing Christians for their religious views.

So lets leave it at that, or make a new thread titled "why christians hate athiests and agnostics" instead of cluttering up a thread on japanese suicides.

That would be nonsensical, you've got it backwards. I've stated my Christian view here and was bashed for it. So if anything it would be "Why atheists hate Christians" but I wouldn't make such a thread. As far as cluttering up a thread on japanese suicide, I agree with you this is bad, however if someone's going to start with false accusations and remarks about my religion I'm going to respond to them, and they keep coming.

How dare you belittle and attack me again?!?!
I was raised Catholic, but i decided it is not the right choice for me.

Another logical fallacy. Because you were raised catholic (I was baptized catholic as well...) you're somehow an authority on the Catholic Church? Should we segway into the Pagan practices of the Catholic church? Of what the bible says about the pope? The inquisition? The twisted doctrines? The scandals? I'm up for it.

You have NO POINT JUST RANDOM ATTACKS!!!!

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they attack you. Are you cynical about my motives? Remember, YOU have bashed (hypocritically) my religion repeatedly. You have made false accusations repeatedly. You are argueing from ignorance again and again.

Keep your religiuos bible thumping BS i dont have the need to explain to you again, when you suggest giving a bible to suicidal japanesse person, that is right there proff you are intolerable, i doubt "god" would be very proud of you. 

Another example of your biased dogmatic bigoted hypocricy. I suggested that Japan needs more bible not only the suicidal japanese people... you're getting them a bit late at that point. But how is giving a bible to a suicidal person intolerable? Enlighten me O bright one. You doubt God would be 'proud' of me for giving people bibles? Are you for real?

Totally random, but Definitely refreshing from Mr. Chocolates baseless accusations and points. 

You're looking into a mirror, the only one with baseless accusations and 'points' (and arguements) is you. Where have I baselessly accused you? Where have I baselessly tried to make points? Sounds like a baseless accusation to me... again, hypocricy.

[Sub-X]

You hear that wanted? DOGMA destroyer? sub-x? So stop bashing Christians for their religious views.

Nope I too can be blinkered when I feel like it too,anyway back to your assumption of me,I pointed it out like you request 

[libertad]

I don't see the problem with just giving them bibles. No one is going to watch over them and make sure they read every word. It's just a way of saying hey guys here is something to possibly live for. If the atheists want they can send a chocolate bar or something. 

[dogmadestroyer]

Ah yes Chocolaty, you're oppressed, you're the victim. I know the story.

[MikiQuick123]

I know it's intolerant to call anything that isn't yourself evil and an atheist.  My solution is to hurl insults right back at them.

Hey Chocolatey, Coccolatte, little boy/girl/boy, you are a nazi scumbag and Christians pray daily that you'll change your religion.

God called and said your a sick girl - chocolate pansy!!!!

I can't wait for the apocalypse, hope god doesn't give ya a good buggering or even worse a little irrumation.  Aw, but you'd love for your creator to force fellatio on you, he told me since I pray a lot and speak to him.

oh so much peace love and respect, I can't get enough of all the LOVE!!!!!!!!

Absolutely disgusting and by far the worst of the entire thread. Invoking Nazis and filthy acts in a disgraceful attack when we were trying to calmly diffuse this mess is beyond belief.

[Chocolaty]

Just as being a "Christian" does not, by definition, make one pro-war or pro-theocracy, being an "atheist" does not, by definition, make one "intolerant."

You are right, not all atheist are intolerant. Most are. This thread is a perfect example of this.

As I said you assume too much and know so little 

Sounds like someone can't substantiate their arguement to me (lets not get into witticism as it contributes nothing). Sub-X if you're going to accuse me of something you better back it up, cuz that was a blanket accusation

Good job everyone, ya moved a valid story to the whining section. Elijah and mods, I appoligise for my part in this rediculous episode of intolerance and petty squabling. peace

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Yes, so take note atheists to whom it applies: when someone expresses a religious view you need to be tolerant, no need to bash them.

I thought this thread was about Japanese suicide statistics.

It is, but the a plethora of intolerant atheist have come and hijacked the topic because someone expressed their religious view.

How am I a nazi? Because I am a Christian? Who's persecuting who for expressing their beliefs here? Look at the rest of your post, I mean this is just disgusting.

[Sub-X]

You are right, not all atheist are intolerant. Most are. This thread is a perfect example of this.
Sounds like someone can't substantiate their arguement to me (lets not get into witticism as it contributes nothing). Sub-X if you're going to accuse me of something you better back it up, cuz that was a blanket accusation

Yes if only you could get over this blinked perspective of everything you might be able to see the continuing assumptions you are making,but alas that is asking too much 

[φυδγε]

they call me names all the time here, especially scumbag.  I like to one up it for drama sake.  If they can dish it out 24/7, then they can take it (anywhere they want  ).

I could care less really.  Attack away!!!!!!

ooonooezssss the christians are pissed off on the internets!!!!!!!

They call women whores and homosexuals nazis, but I get no comeback.  That's not fair!!!!!!

[CigarsNBourbon]

What if we just send tha Jap's some carmel creams? If I had some they would make me happy.

[libertad]

[libertad]

What if we just send tha Jap's some carmel creams? If I had some they would make me happy.

Hey man, let's do it.

[Damascus]

I don't see the problem with just giving them bibles. No one is going to watch over them and make sure they read every word. It's just a way of saying hey guys here is something to possibly live for. If the atheists want they can send a chocolate bar or something. 

Hey chocolate is supposed to be a mood enhancer, and well at least they could eat that..

[Belle de la Liberté]

<snip> when you suggest giving a bible to suicidal japanesse person, that is right there proff you are intolerable, <snip> 

Speaking as a person whose religious leanings come much closer to Jefferson's and Paine's, I do not understand why giving a Bible to any person in distress is 'intolerable'. The Bible has a great many passages that are uplifting and full of hope. I have found comfort in it many times.

I find no fault with the many tolerant and open-minded atheists out there, however this sort of statement comes across as antitheism more than anything. Antitheists bother me.

[Chocolaty]

Nope I too can be blinkered when I feel like it too,anyway back to your assumption of me,I pointed it out like you request 

Have I been blinkered to atheists here Sub-X. Show me where. (get off the wit). The entire post is comprised of a few atheist lampooning me hypocritically for expressing my religious views, but why don't I see you addressing that?

Ah yes Chocolaty, you're oppressed, you're the victim. I know the story.

humor, witticism, bifurcation, they all work... just don't contribute much.

Ah yes Chocolaty, you're oppressed, you're the victim. I know the story.

So me pointing you that you're calling me batshit and my religion BS, is wrong? You're acting oppressed and victimized because I expose you're intolerance to my religious views, why must you turn things around?

Still waiting for that answer DOGMA destroyer. Paltalk, microphone, debate, exposure of blatant hypocricy. Why not? If you're so rose it shouldn't be hard to reveal me for the intolerant batshit nazi I've been called here. Oh what's that? You don't want to? That's what I thought. Anonymous keyboard warrior is much easier.

[Sub-X]

Have I been blinkered to atheists here Sub-X. Show me where. (get off the wit). The entire post is comprised of a few atheist lampooning me hypocritically for expressing my religious views, but why don't I see you addressing that?humor, witticism, bifurcation, they all work... just don't contribute much.

As I said you STILL assume so much...   

[Chocolaty]

Yes if only you could get over this blinked perspective of everything you might be able to see the continuing assumptions you are making,but alas that is asking too much 

But I am contesting this perspective you say that I have and asked you for that reason to point out to be where i've been blinkered. So far you haven't responded. This is the second blanket statement from you here now Sub-X

As I said you STILL assume so much...   

Time to back up these statements Sub-X.

[Div]

Woah woah woah, let's stop this fail-train before it's too late.






Ok, good.

Now, have we all forgotten that Japan is a different country than the US and we shouldn't be interjecting our views into their way of life? I thought we realized this with the Iraq war, yet now here we are discussing about how to make Japan better? Guess what, it's none of our business (assuming the posters aren't Japanese, most of us are from US) how they live their lives. Rather than looking at suicide from the Western perspective we should first see how they view suicide, because they don't think of it the same way as we do, and we don't have the right to tell them our views on it are more right than theirs.


This thread reminds me of a song, let's all sing along now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqUD_dVOYB0

"dumb all over, a little ugly on the side"

[Sub-X]

But I am contesting this perspective you say that I have and asked you for that reason to point out to be where i've been blinkered. So far you haven't responded. This is the second blanket statement from you here now Sub-X

Time to back up these statements Sub-X.

Heres a clue,go back to your posts to me and see if you can pick out where you think you might have made an assumption over and over 

[Belle de la Liberté]

The Japanese do not have the same views on suicide as western nations. The stigma associated with suicide from christianity isn't there. It's still sad that so many feel the need to end their own life. Any book, be it the Bible, Common Sense or Brain Droppings, that might change someone's outlook can't be a bad thing, can it?

I have been suicidal. It's not fun, and I don't think a different cultural upbringing would have changed that much.

[Chocolaty]

Heres a clue,go back to your posts to me and see if you can pick out where you think you might have made an assumption over and over 

So in other words it's MY job to go prove YOUR assertion AGAINST me? Sounds like Jordan Maxwell's "somebody needs to do their homework". I'm still waiting for you to substantiate the accusation you've made against me. 2 blanket statements... It's so easy to make blanket statement eh? But when someone will ask you to prove what you said it gets a little harder doesn't it? Unless you have a base for these statements... I'll wait and see at your next reply.

[thadividedsky]

Why dosn't everyone just admit they're all being intolerant right now. Why don't we all show some respect to the topic of the story. People who're obviousley having seriouse problems in japan are killing themselves, but everyone wants to nitpick about who's what and who's right and wrong. I got a question. If you had to ask a family member of 1 of these people who commited suicide, are you going to ask them if their loved one had god in their lives? I'll tell ya something, after a close friend of mine killed himself, if some bible thumper tried to shove his holy gospel down my throat, I would taken his bible and beat his azz in with it. Put yourselves in their loved ones shoes for a moment and ask yourself "what is the cause of this?". Is that too much to ask?

[φυδγε]

So in other words it's MY job to go prove YOUR assertion AGAINST me? Sounds like Jordan Maxwell's "somebody needs to do their homework". I'm still waiting for you to substantiate the accusation you've made against me. 2 blanket statements... It's so easy to make blanket statement eh? But when someone will ask you to prove what you said it gets a little harder doesn't it? Unless you have a base for these statements... I'll wait and see at your next reply.

Well (and sub-x shoot me now for replying!!!!) I think he means that you keep calling people atheist when you know nothing about them, so ppl in turn might call you names while knowing nothing about you.  Get the karma or no?

[Sub-X]

Well (and sub-x shoot me now for replying!!!!) I think he means that you keep calling people atheist when you know nothing about them, so ppl in turn might call you names while knowing nothing about you.  Get the karma or no?

 

[Chocolaty]

Why dosn't everyone just admit they're all being intolerant right now. Why don't we all show some respect to the topic of the story. People who're obviousley having seriouse problems in japan are killing themselves, but everyone wants to nitpick about who's what and who's right and wrong.

Why does everybody have to be wrong? Show me where i've been intolerant. It's not because there's an arguement going on that both sides are wrong. All I'm doing is replying to the lampooning of and false accusations again me, my views and my religion...

I got a question. If you had to ask a family member of 1 of these people who commited suicide, are you going to ask them if their loved one had god in their lives? I'll tell ya something, after a close friend of mine killed himself, if some bible thumper tried to shove his holy gospel down my throat, I would taken his bible and beat his azz in with it. Put yourselves in their loved ones shoes for a moment and ask yourself "what is the cause of this?". Is that too much to ask?

No, because if have been brainwashed by biased people against religion you don't start off there. If you're going to talk to God to someone who's really in a sensitive state because someone just died you're better off waiting until they're calm after comforting them. I don't know it's just not a good situation just thinking about it IMO especially if the person is extremely biased against religion. And if someone talks to you about the bible it doesn't mean they are trying to shove it down your throat...

As far as I understand suicide it's mostly caused by depression, which the bible addresses.

[Wanted]

Another logical fallacy. Because you were raised catholic (I was baptized catholic as well...) you're somehow an authority on the Catholic Church? Should we segway into the Pagan practices of the Catholic church? Of what the bible says about the pope? The inquisition? The twisted doctrines? The scandals? I'm up for it.

Another proff of your intolerance to other religiuons except christianity.  

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they attack you. Are you cynical about my motives? Remember, YOU have bashed (hypocritically) my religion repeatedly. You have made false accusations repeatedly. You are argueing from ignorance again and again.

You started bashing me first migh i remind you:

I don't expect a juvenile troll to understand the following but nevertheless i'll write it anyways.

I hope your brain hasn't gone haywire from concidering this.

You hear that wanted? DOGMA destroyer? sub-x? So stop bashing Christians for their religious views.

YOU ARE THE ONE BASHING NON-CHRISTIANS!!! WAKE UP FROM YOUR HYPNOTYZED RELIGIUOS SLUMBER!!!!

You are TRULY BRAINWASHED!!!! its a sad fact, do you also whip yourself when you think you have commited a sin?  

[Damascus]

Shinto and Buddhism are Japan's two major religions. They have been co-existing for several centuries and have even complemented each other to a certain degree. Most Japanese consider themselves Buddhist, Shintoist or both.

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e629.html

Hey how about we all convert? sound good? Or are we way better then them?
different society different religion. That's tolerance.

[CigarsNBourbon]

As far as I understand suicide it's mostly caused by depression, which the bible addresses.

So does Prozac, doesn't make it the right choice for the situation.

[Wanted]

So does Prozac, doesn't make it the right choice for the situation.

I would suggest Yoga. 

[Chocolaty]

Well (and sub-x shoot me now for replying!!!!) I think he means that you keep calling people atheist when you know nothing about them, so ppl in turn might call you names while knowing nothing about you.  Get the karma or no?

Did I say that Sub-X was an atheist? Show me where. As for me saying this thread is a perfect example of Atheist intolerance I know a lot of people here are atheists, I read many threads on religion. As far as then people calling me names because I've called people names (which I haven't) that's the satanic doctrine in practice i've mentioned earlier (treat others like they treat you), way to take the high road. Karma doesn't exist.

So Sub-X. That's it? No substance?

1Th 5:21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

[Sub-X]

Same shit,different thread 

Everything/everybody else is wrong we are right! Your either with us or against us !

If my aunt had balls,she'd be my uncle

this thread is a perfect example of atheist intolerance.

[dogmadestroyer]

Witticisms.. yes. I don't feel the need to defend it when you post nothing relevant.

[Belle de la Liberté]

So does Prozac, doesn't make it the right choice for the situation.

Prozac makes people suicidal! Also homicidal, self-abuse, violent, delusional, paranoid...

Yoga's good though.

[thadividedsky]

Why does everybody have to be wrong? Show me where i've been intolerant. It's not because there's an arguement going on that both sides are wrong. All I'm doing is replying to the lampooning of and false accusations again me, my views and my religion...

I got a question. If you had to ask a family member of 1 of these people who commited suicide, are you going to ask them if their loved one had god in their lives? I'll tell ya something, after a close friend of mine killed himself, if some bible thumper tried to shove his holy gospel down my throat, I would taken his bible and beat his azz in with it. Put yourselves in their loved ones shoes for a moment and ask yourself "what is the cause of this?". Is that too much to ask?

No, because if have been brainwashed by biased people against religion you don't start off there. If you're going to talk to God to someone who's really in a sensitive state because someone just died you're better off waiting until they're calm after comforting them. I don't know it's just not a good situation just thinking about it IMO especially if the person is extremely biased against religion. And if someone talks to you about the bible it doesn't mean they are trying to shove it down your throat...

As far as I understand suicide it's mostly caused by depression, which the bible addresses.

So yer saying that Im brainwashed because I don't believe in your religion. Let me make myself very clear to you. I was born a christian, brought up as a christian, Went to church every weds and sunday. I was in chorus, have read the bible over 50 times in my young life and have had thousands of hours of talking to priests from different churches. Hell I have even gone to israel as a kid, so don't even give me that brainwashed crap. You don't know me, you don't know my knowledge and you don't have any clue to the reasons why I am so intolerant to any person of any religion telling ME what to believe. You say I was brainwashed, well if so, then you have your own religion to blame because I was brought up in the christian faith. I'm an agnostic and my religion is god himself. I don't care of yer a christian, catholic, protestant, jew, muslim, budhist or you worship the freakin chin of jay leno. I have done my study of the different religions and I have made up my mind. You have your beliefs and I respect that, but it's utterly uncalled for for you to blatently accuse me of being "brainwashed".