Chavez says Venezuela needs Russia for protection

[Kregener]

I certainly do not relish Soviet nukes 90 miles off our shores, and I most certainly have no love for totalitarian police states, but does anyone else see the hypocrisy in America having its nukes along Russia's borders, while we rub dirt in our hair and tear sackcloth when they want them on ours?

This could be either interesting or totally scary as we see what the neocons do about a nation that actually has the ability to fight back...

[chris jones]

They do have a choice, they've always have a choice it's the will thats lacking.

The choices made by the  lowly E.M.'s are governed by their orders of th day, so called. In a war zone, as the insanity in Iraq proves to be the situation.

But. if the average trooper, and the high ups were ever ordered to commence shooting on their own people, a division would occur without a doubt.
We all know blackwater is destined to be involved if this abomination should come to its last stages. However the majority of soldiers would not, and could not, wack out their own.
You can be certain the M.Itel. has screened, profiled,and brainwahshed the few for this very reason, the black ops. and spin off of Delta, but they are not in the numbers required to think about taking on the armed forces and the resistance.

Will, OK, some of it, fear of their leaders and piers, death abounding, in Iraq, coupled with the insanity of war and their physcotic meds., has led to sadism being mixed, torture has been injected into the military, never was this accepted, the Geneva convention use to be the watchword.

Remember, how many generals have been forced to retire because of Bushamaster and the sociopathic neocons,  the military has a following, the leaders that is, how many remain waiting for  the right time who remain loyal to the former boss and to this constitition of ours.

Guys and gals, we need them and they need us. A question of will, to a point, Tillman had will, what happened to him.  How many more are on the verge of fighting back, the stage has been set, the fuse is lit.

Once a guy steps into a war zone, survival is the first thing on his mind, after his best friend is blown in half, anger begins, then his superiors inflame that anger as seems to be the case and condone and even advocate the cruelty that has been evident. Bushamaster and Rumsfiend and the lackey moraly bankrupt Generals are on a agenda, and naturally that agenda includes mindbending the soldiers. Intimidating them, pushing them,  its easy to do when death is at your doorstep.

Hey, I may be wrong, but from what I have heard, the Military are not happy campers, and many are not brainwashed, please do not label all the guys that are in unfiform to be robots for Bush. On the contrary, you can bet given the right moment they would gather in force, and the division would become evident.

The shot heard around the world will be that fired against the neocons.

[larsonstdoc]

   I think the Russian nukes are already there.  The Russian subs have special anti-sonar devices which enables them to go undetected of the shores of the USA.

[Sasha]

Here's a parallel thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50747.msg234015#msg234015

[Optimus]

Here's a parallel thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50747.msg234015#msg234015

Other related threads on Russian nukes and bombers

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50399.0

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50633.0

[Sasha]

Just found this too, so who knows who's telling the truth or down playing what:

_______________________________


AP News
Thursday, July 24, 2008

Russian news agencies say the Defense Ministry is denying a newspaper report that Russia was considering basing nuclear-capable bombers in Cuba.

The report in the newspaper Izvestia this week cited an anonymous top air force official as saying the bombers could be based in Cuba as a response to U.S. plans to place elements of a missile-defense system in Eastern European countries.

Defense Ministry spokesman Ilshat Baichurin dismissed the report on Thursday, according to the Interfax and RIA-Novosti news agencies.

"We see this sort of anonymous allegation as disinformation and another media hoax," he was quoted as saying.

[Optimus]

Russian bombers could haunt US borders
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=64668&sectionid=351020602
Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:24:41
 

Tu-160 Blackjack

Airbases in Latin American countries ensure the 'permanent presence' of Russia's strategic bombers near the US borders, says a Russian general.

"The flight to the US [from southern Russia where the bombers are based] takes about 10 hours and even with two mid-air refueling the aircraft can spend only 1.5 hours near the US coast," Ria Novosti quoted Army General Pyotr Deinekin as saying. He added that making up for the lacking airborne refueling chances by using the Latin American airbases could make their almost permanent presence there possible.

The general passed the remarks with reference to Moscow's alleged intention to station the bombers in Cuba, Venezuela and even Algeria as a reprisal against the US' missile plans in Europe.

Undeterred by Russia's warnings, Washington has remained adamant about its plans to place 10 long-range missile interceptors in Poland and a radar base in the Czech Republic as a precaution against what it calls the threat posed by the 'rogue states'.

NATO's borders nearing those of Russia's has also been cited as a possible reason for parading the bombers. If carried, the alleged proposal would have Cuba hosting Russian Il-78 aerial tankers which, in turn, would be able to replenish the fuel tanks of the Russian nuclear-capable strategic bombers possibly 160 Blackjack and Tu-95MS Bear whose staff have been examining one possible refueling stopover in Cuba.

On Wednesday, the Island's one-time leader, Fidel Castro warned in an opinion piece that "we need not offer any explanations or excuses nor ask forgiveness," over the matter.
 

[lord edward coke]

This might be the new king of the north.

Is it me or does the whole world look mad.  I need a beer.


Rock

president   Hugo just wants the same as us. his nation left intacked.   when the bully on the block is pickin on you, whatcha gonna do?    make friends with another tough guy. no matter how much Hugo has been demonized in the msm.......   he is doing what it takes to preserve his country. just like more ''americans'' should be doing

[ren]

Economic Overview.World Bank ....The writing is on the wall.......http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/0,,contentMDK:20340156~pagePK:146736~piPK:146830~theSitePK:258554,00.html...........

[ren]

appreciation of currencies in response to strong capital inflows (especially in Brazil) that have supported the rapid growth of asset prices—in particular, stock prices.

[PaladinRoden]

This is going to come down to a pissing contest between USA and Russia. With the amount of debt we are in, we are not in a possition to strong arm any semi super power. The world is slowely allinging against us. The USA is headed to a perfect storm. Economically, militarly, and diplomatically. Get ready to duck.

[Sasha]

This is going to come down to a pissing contest between USA and Russia. With the amount of debt we are in, we are not in a possition to strong arm any semi super power. The world is slowely allinging against us. The USA is headed to a perfect storm. Economically, militarly, and diplomatically. Get ready to duck.

I don't believe that most of the world is as fooled as many Americans are.  I believe, for the most part, many of them rightly see our criminal government as the source of their problems and the sooner we (or eastern elite ninjas) handle the problem, the sooner we get our collective American credibility back.

[JEH]

Yea, hypocrisy max

[Filthy Rich]

Hmmm....


Obama, the "New JFK"...

Venezuela, the "New Cuba"...

What next? The return of Go-Go dancers and garish floral prints?

Problem. Reaction. Solution. RELOADED

[Optimus]

Bombers In Cuba, Bases In Venezuela
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=301879727236035
Posted 7/25/2008

Geopolitics: As Barack Obama luxuriated in the adoration of Europeans, a less charming leader was also making his way across the Continent, seeking arms and military bases to direct toward the United States.

What happened under the radar last week ought to have gotten more attention, because it's the beginning of a problem that will carry well into the next administration.

While Obama was drawing applause in Germany, Venezuela's hostile and anti-American president, Hugo Chavez, was conducting a stealthy parallel trip across Europe spending billions of petrodollars on weapons of war he doesn't need.

In Russia, he vowed to buy $1 billion worth of diesel submarines, mobile missile systems and tanks. He also told Russian leaders he'd spend $30 billion for arms in coming years. He even offered Russia a military base on Venezuelan soil, according to Russian media.

Meanwhile, Chavez's closest ally, the Republic of Cuba, offered refueling stations for Russia's bombers, raising an echo of the 1962 missile crisis that brought the world to the brink of war. There was also talk of Russia re-opening the Lourdes electronic surveillance post to train on the U.S.

"Cuba is a unique place to gather intelligence on the U.S.," a Russian official told a news conference in Moscow. To make sure no one misunderstood, Cuban dictator Fidel Castro wrote a rare missive from his sickbed to declare he owed the U.S. no explanation for this breach of the '62 treaty to keep Russian arms out of Cuba — a veiled threat if there ever was one.

These developments could destabilize the region, involve Latin America in other global disputes and draw the U.S. into a conflict. No matter that Chavez and Castro later denied everything; this was a trial balloon to gauge any weakness they can exploit.

If they find what they're looking for — and they will if the U.S. has a weak, naive or inexperienced president after November — then America faces a reconstituted Cold War south of the border.

Unlike the last one, however, we'll face a Venezuela armed to the teeth, possibly with a Russian base on its own soil and Russian bomber bases and spy stations just 90 miles off the Florida coast. Add a possible Iranian base in Nicaragua, and this is more ominous than anything we faced when we last locked horns with the communists.

These bases will also intimidate the best ally America has ever had in Latin America — Colombia. Chavez has already threatened to use advanced Russian Sukhoi fighters over Bogota when Venezuela and Colombia stood on the brink of war last March.

The symmetry of new bases is disturbing. Russia is eager to retaliate against the U.S. for Europe's missile shield, and Chavez wants to counter a coming U.S. base in Colombia.

This may happen because Ecuador is expelling the U.S. from its anti-drug base in Manta. A Russian base in Venezuela would serve both purposes.

Colombia will be just the ally we need in this situation. Unfortunately, it's also the ally Barack Obama and other congressional Democrats, led by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have weakened through their bid to quash its U.S. free-trade pact.

The Bush administration has repeatedly stated that the pact has national security significance. Colombia is strategically situated on two ocean coasts, and its victory over terror can be consolidated with prosperity, something a permanent trade deal would bring.

But it's not just Bush who grasps Colombia's importance. President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil recently moved to draw Colombia into his nation's orbit by vowing to enhance trade ties.

This would be good for both countries, he argued, "so we aren't left dependent on a single partner." This was a not-so-subtle knock on American trustworthiness as long as Obama and the Democrat-led Congress are calling the shots.

Unlike Germany, for example, Colombia is a friend that hasn't hesitated to help the U.S. It most recently put its own troops in harm's way to rescue three American men held hostage by vicious jungle terrorists.

As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice noted last week on RealClearPolitics.com, a nation that might have cut side deals with terrorists to get its own men out first at the expense of ours refused to do so.

That's an ally we'll need as Chavez and Castro remain up to no good and Russia begins to meddle again in our hemisphere.

[Dig]

Hmmm....


Obama, the "New JFK"...

Venezuela, the "New Cuba"...

What next? The return of Go-Go dancers and garish floral prints?

Problem. Reaction. Solution. RELOADED

Havana Nocturne: How the Mob Owned Cuba and Then Lost It to the Revolution

http://www.amazon.com/Havana-Nocturne-Owned-Cuba-Revolution/dp/0061147710

[Optimus]

Fidel Castro hints at Russian air base in Cuba
Fidel Castro has revived memories of the Cuban missile crisis by refusing to rule out the possibility of Russia constructing a new base for its nuclear bombers on the island.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/2458482/Fidel-Castro-hints-at-Russian-air-base-in-Cuba.html
By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 10:47AM BST 25 Jul 2008

Reports in Moscow have claimed that the Russian air force is going to resume flights of its long-range bombers to Cuba, six years after military co-operation ceased between the two countries.

In a cryptic message posted on the internet yesterday, Mr Castro praised his brother Raul, who inherited the presidency in February, for defying pressure to explain Russia’s military intentions in Cuba.

“Raul did very well keeping a dignified silence,” he wrote. “One doesn’t have to give explanations or provide excuses or apologise.”

The United States has warned Russia of serious repercussions if it went ahead with the move, raising fears that Moscow and Washington were potentially heading towards their most serious confrontation since 1962.

“We should stand strong and indicate that that is something that crosses a threshold, crosses a red line for the United States of America,” Gen Norton Schwartz told a US Senate hearing called to confirm his appointment as the US Air Force chief of staff.

Gen Schwartz’s comments appeared to have enraged Mr Castro, who accused the United States of imperial Machiavellianism and claimed that Washington was bent on Cuba’s destruction.

So far, the reports of a Russian presence on Cuba remain speculative, with the Kremlin issuing a denial and the White House refusing to comment.

Even so, the speculation is mounting since Izvestia, often used to float controversial Kremlin plans, quoted military sources as saying that the proposal was in retaliation for US plans to build a missile defence shield in central Europe, ostensibly against a nuclear strike by Iran.

[Optimus]

Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008
 
Moscow paper claims Russian bomber crews visited Cuba
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/45510.html
By Tom Lasseter | McClatchy Newspapers

MOSCOW — The Russian newspaper Izvestia reported Thursday that crews from Russian strategic bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons have surveyed sites in Cuba for possible refueling stopovers.

The newspaper reported on Monday that Russia was considering the move.

The Russian defense ministry said Thursday that there was no plan to deploy bombers to Cuba and called the earlier anonymous allegations carried by Izvestia "disinformation" and a "media hoax," according to state news service Interfax. However, Izvestia, which is controlled by Gazprom, a state-owned gas company that many consider a mouthpiece of Russia's ruling elite, didn't withdraw its initial report.

Although the White House called the Izvestia account "speculative," Gen. Norton Schwartz, the nominee to be Air Force chief of staff, said this week that the appearance of Russian nuclear-capable planes in Cuba would be "something that crosses a threshold, crosses a red line for the United States of America."

Izvestia's latest account, which quoted unnamed defense ministry officials, said the crews' visit didn't mean that Russian bombers had landed on the island just south of Florida.

It wasn't immediately clear Thursday evening how to reconcile the report in Izvestia and the defense ministry statement. Many Russian analysts so far have regarded the escalating rhetoric as just that — verbal jousting between the U.S. and Russia over U.S. plans to build a missile defense shield in two former Soviet satellite countries in Eastern Europe.

Adding to the confusion, former Cuban President Fidel Castro released a statement on Wednesday saying that the current president, his brother Raul, had done the right thing by maintaining "dignified silence" during the dustup. Castro didn't indicate whether the reports of plans for Russian bombers in Cuba, an echo of the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, were true.

Despite the Russian government's denunciation of the stories, it's unlikely that news media closely affiliated with the government would have reported them without government knowledge and acquiescence.

Another state news agency, RIA Novosti, carried the Izvestia story and added that: "At present, the Russian military is considering the possibility of establishing so-called 'jump-up' bases in various regions of the world to provide refueling and maintenance support for the patrolling bombers."

The RIA Novosti story also paraphrased Gen. of the Army Pyotr Deinekin, a former commander of the Russian Air Force, saying that the use of forward airfields in Latin America "would practically erase the time constraints for the Russian bombers and make their presence near the U.S. borders almost permanent." (It wasn't clear if RIA Novosti was repeating the general's remarks to Izvestia, which also quoted him.)

The flap over Cuba, and news on Tuesday that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was in Russia to buy $1 billion worth of weapons systems and broker oil deals, come during a bitter disagreement between the United States and Russia over the Bush administration's plans to build a missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.

The reports of Russian military activities in Cuba and Venezuela could be intended as an obvious counterpoint to U.S. military activities in the Czech Republic and Poland.

The Bush administration has said repeatedly that the missile defense system is intended as a defense against Iran. But Russian officials say the shield could be intended to neutralize Russia's nuclear missiles, the cornerstone of its strategic deterrent. Conventional Russian military forces are far less capable than their American counterparts.

Col. Gen. Viktor Yesin, the former commander of the Russian strategic missiles forces headquarters, told Interfax Thursday that while the missile shield in its proposed form wouldn't pose a threat to Russia, there are worries that it could expand.

"Whether there will be 10 or 1,000 rockets is unclear," Yesin said, according to Interfax. "We are naturally concerned about the presence of strategic infrastructure near our borders."

Yesin said that if the U.S. shield is built, Russia might resume its Soviet-era program of developing mobile ballistic missiles. Yesin, now a senior leader of a government defense think tank, said that Russia also could deploy missile systems and bombers to the Kaliningrad region, which borders Poland.

[scary]

In my book, Chavez seems to be Okay... I would trust him over our current asshole's.

It seems that Russia doesn't have such a globalist infestation, Im just upset that im on the wrong side of the fence.

[plantop14]

In my book, Chavez seems to be Okay... I would trust him over our current asshole's.

It seems that Russia doesn't have such a globalist infestation, Im just upset that im on the wrong side of the fence.

scary, this shit is definitely a trip! Back in the early 80's when I was a freshman in high school I used to read the world news in history class and Russia (then the U.S.S.R.) was the evil commie/socialist heathen country from eastern Europe, hell we got spoon fed this crap on the world news every week night! Now, we find ourselves in the beginning of the 21st century and ruled over by a tyrannical regime of crazy f--king neo-cons, hell bent on having permanent wars all over the globe for a hundred years! We have turned into what the U.S.S.R. used to be or so that's what we were spoon fed! I'll tell you what, put the shoe on the other foot and I bet we would do the same! The enemy of our enemy is our friend , that's what it's looking like now days!

[STEVEX]

Arron Russo sayed in his video:the american government will knock down the WTC, then kill the iraq for OIL, then  move into iran/afgan. The final mission will be to get hugo chavez.

Hugo chavez is a SMART man. I believe its in every man, to protect his life and his nation/people. what do you think will happen if the rest of the world gang up on the u.s. with a all out warfare?

the poor really has nothing to live for, except hopes and dreams. I believe most people live in the u.s to achieve they hopes and dreams  . But are you? . Financial slavery (equal employment).

If you don`t have a J.O.B. (jorney of the broke) "join the u.s. army".

 

[chris jones]

The bottom line. Chavez is not anti-American, Jeez that type of label grabs me the wrong way..

He is anti-BUSHmaster. 

When the Katrina disaster hit us, who wanted to donate aid for the Americans that were herded like cattle, and treated like vermin. Chavez.

He has no quarrel with the American  people whatsoever, he does have a problem with this regime, come on folks.  This guy is in on the intell. he knows whats going on, he wants his country protected, wouldn't you.

We of all people know what the regime is capable of, don't you think that the leader of a nation has not noticed too.

Hey I'm not pro Russian, Pro Venezuelan, I'm realistic. 70% of this globe sees us a powermongering, genocidal maniacs, lets be real about this.
Is our present Regime invading and bombing, or is it pure American righteousness abounding in the globe displaying true democracy. If so explain it to the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Palestinians, etc. They do not see it that way.
Do we have Armed forces in Columbia, yes, how many, about 90,000 or so.
Has the world watched as we blanket bombed an innocent nation, reinvented torture as our calling card, killing over a million human beings, I get the feeling they have. What if the shoe was on the other foot , what would you feel.
US conglomerates have been sucking the blood of many third world countries, with US backing, and we all know it.$$$$$$$$$$$

Fine print, Impeachment in total, any parasite who has led us into this abomination, any profiteer, any and all corporations that sat back as human beings were slaughtered as they counted their profits. Confiscation of their money and property.

Place blame where blame is due, or the focus of our attention will be shattered with fear tactics. This regime has made enemies, they will unite, what else can they do, sit back and allow their nation to lick the boots of Bushmaster and surrender to his bombs.

Our country and our freedoms, we can see them being trampled on, it instills anger and fear, does it not. Then imagine you were in another country, OK, multiply your fear by ten, because they know what this regime is capable of.

Lets focus on the true criminals, not those who countries who are attempting to defend themselves against a parasitic sociopath, who has taken over this nation.

Think about it, who caused this insanity, OK then, if it were not for the neocons and the elite backers, we would still be America, we would continue to be the Republic, our Rights and freedoms would not be infringed upon, we would not be illegally invading sovereign nations for profit. If the constitution was no trampled on, we would have retained our honor.
Time for REDEMPTION, beginning with impeachment and incarceration of any who have used this nation for their personall gain.

[jimd3100]

Of corse Chavez is going to make alliances with others to oppose America. Wouldn't you if "America" wants you dead and deposed? You can thank our psychotic Leader. If you have not seen this movie, you will learn allot.
A fascinating documentary that actually captures the coup attempt Bush ordered the CIA to do in 2002. Good luck finding it in America.

"The Revolution will not be Televised"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

[Real Truth]

he has a radio show and lets the people call in and ask him questions

oh gee what an evil tyrant! I wish bush would be this  much of an evil tyrant I sure got alot of questions I would like to ask 

[zafada]

Russian bombers could haunt US borders
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=64668&sectionid=351020602
Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:24:41
 

Tu-160 Blackjack

Airbases in Latin American countries ensure the 'permanent presence' of Russia's strategic bombers near the US borders, says a Russian general.

"The flight to the US [from southern Russia where the bombers are based] takes about 10 hours and even with two mid-air refueling the aircraft can spend only 1.5 hours near the US coast," Ria Novosti quoted Army General Pyotr Deinekin as saying. He added that making up for the lacking airborne refueling chances by using the Latin American airbases could make their almost permanent presence there possible.

The general passed the remarks with reference to Moscow's alleged intention to station the bombers in Cuba, Venezuela and even Algeria as a reprisal against the US' missile plans in Europe.

Undeterred by Russia's warnings, Washington has remained adamant about its plans to place 10 long-range missile interceptors in Poland and a radar base in the Czech Republic as a precaution against what it calls the threat posed by the 'rogue states'.

NATO's borders nearing those of Russia's has also been cited as a possible reason for parading the bombers. If carried, the alleged proposal would have Cuba hosting Russian Il-78 aerial tankers which, in turn, would be able to replenish the fuel tanks of the Russian nuclear-capable strategic bombers possibly 160 Blackjack and Tu-95MS Bear whose staff have been examining one possible refueling stopover in Cuba.

On Wednesday, the Island's one-time leader, Fidel Castro warned in an opinion piece that "we need not offer any explanations or excuses nor ask forgiveness," over the matter.
 

Wow, that's a beautiful airplane.  Damn man, this could be some fun stuff for the future.  Dunno about you guys, but a quick, swift nuclear death sounds kind of entertaining.

[Sasha]

Wow, that's a beautiful airplane.  Damn man, this could be some fun stuff for the future.  Dunno about you guys, but a quick, swift nuclear death sounds kind of entertaining.

Pardon me, since I'm not aquainted with your particular sense of humor did you mean to include a >>being sarcastic<< in there?  Otherwise, one must admit that this is morose revelry in the worst taste. 

[chris jones]

Wow, that's a beautiful airplane.  Damn man, this could be some fun stuff for the future.  Dunno about you guys, but a quick, swift nuclear death sounds kind of entertaining.

Do you realy beleive that if this regime was not invading innocent countries, committing genocide, dominating its people with deception, and continuing this abomination that these formentioned countries should not be defending themselves.

If Iran had nukes do you realy think we would be setting up a blockade.
Do you beleive that if Iraq had mountians of WMD's and a nuclear capability that we would have invaded.

We have the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons on this earth, we have chemical weapons & germ warfare tech. that could wipe out this globe.

You have not said this, so don't take it personaly, but many feel its righteous for this nation to have the largest arsenal of killing machines on earth, yet some other nation decides it wants to have a defense and it is not allowed, only we are allowed the big stick.

Well in any event people will now get an inkling of what it feels like to have a threat at you doorstep. I take that back not a threat a defense measure.

Keep your eye on the problem, those guys are not the problem. All was more or less stable untill they ( the Elite Regime )initiated their abomination.

Our enemy is within, their plan has unfolded, not entirely but the writing is on the wall my friend.

Our elected officials must act to impeach each and every traitor to this country. Thats it, problems solved.
 The trick is getting them off their arse and calling them on our constituional rights and on their oath, us, and we are pushing for that.
This movement has grown and continues to, congressmen are fighting for impeachment, military have stood against Bushmaster and his neoCONS. Public figures and former elected officials are standing up to the beast.

A paradox, years ago we supplied the taliban, or the freedom fighters, (with Bin Lacen under CIA control)., with stinger missles to combat the Russians in Afganhistan.
Becasue of this and our funding we caused their incredible losses , they then retreated. Now we are attacking the Afghans, strange HUH. They will give us all kinds of reasons, the one they won't admit to is $$$$$$$$$$$ and their ultimate goal. No matter what they will tell the public we are the good guys. Beleive them?

[STEVEX]

"The Revolution will not be Televised"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

This is what i call leadership. A man of government speacking DIRECTLY to the people who support a ONE cause. When was the last time an american spoke to georg bush?. it was a few months ago. George bush ask one of the american citizen in the audiance. what do you do for a living?" she answer " I work" and she also mension "I have three job". George Bush laugh and told her "you are doing a good JOB". A good job funding the war machine?. he must be thinking.

[STEVEX]

Proof of how governmennt provoke other nation. WHY?

Provoking the mine of a smart leader is to be consider warfare. If you provoke the goodness in someone, You are most likly to experance REVENGE on any scale (war or gangbang). Now you have witness a good person joining the gang of warfare. 
The mine will lose its ability to progress in a positive way. Because its busy looking for way to put its provokee out of commision. the u.s seem to have a game plan "OIL" and "one world order". The NAU may be usfull in this situation (good bye "We the People"). Mexico is a latin nation and a very poor one. the NAU will richen the mexico nation beyon any other latin nation. This can be use to show other latin nation, the benefit of the one world order. the NAU is will reduce the price of gasoline, because of mexico and it Gulf oil region. I feel the american will anounce the full effect of the NAU when the gasoline price reach $10.00+ per gallon. AAA report 20 billion LESS miles american driven this year. The insurance instute report a 6% LESS automobile accident due to LESS driving. Some people say the LESS driving is better for the climate/enviroment... PROOF IT?.

Looking back at american pass. you will notice the average american live to the age of 30-40 yrs. Today my father is 72 yrs old and still going strong (JOB), and most people can say the same, don`t know about the job part . so where is you proof of enviromental issues?. but I still know co-operation is doing most of the pollution.

I must say the american government has a will MENTALY thought out plan... ...I believe Hilter has a different world plan, but to me it all a world plan. who these people think they are?. power hungry over other people power. power may lay within groups (cults) but most will tell you this. It will take ONE (1) to reap carnage on a massive scale.

[oshea.declan]

I really got to like Chavez after watching "The Revolution will not be Televised"


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

Whether we like it or not Russia has saved Humanities ass at least three times in the past two centuries - 1) Napoleon 2) Hitler and 3) Putins successful counter to the NWO orchestrated "Glasnost" of the 90's when they tried to destroy Russia...

Don't know about you but I much prefer to have Nukes in the hands of Putin and Chavez rather than the Nutties in the US Government

I'm not trying to cause controversy here as this is my opinion and I am an Irishman living in Ireland - although I did serve four years with the US Navy.

[jimd3100]

I really got to like Chavez after watching "The Revolution will not be Televised"


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

Whether we like it or not Russia has saved Humanities ass at least three times in the past two centuries - 1) Napoleon 2) Hitler and 3) Putins successful counter to the NWO orchestrated "Glasnost" of the 90's when they tried to destroy Russia...

Don't know about you but I much prefer to have Nukes in the hands of Putin and Chavez rather than the Nutties in the US Government

I'm not trying to cause controversy here as this is my opinion and I am an Irishman living in Ireland - although I did serve four years with the US Navy.

I agree with most of what you say, but not Putin. Putin (former KGB) is a terrorist, and mass murderer.....Study the Moscow Apartment bombings...
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=34356.0

[Applepie]

I really got to like Chavez after watching "The Revolution will not be Televised"


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

Whether we like it or not Russia has saved Humanities ass at least three times in the past two centuries - 1) Napoleon 2) Hitler and 3) Putins successful counter to the NWO orchestrated "Glasnost" of the 90's when they tried to destroy Russia...

Don't know about you but I much prefer to have Nukes in the hands of Putin and Chavez rather than the Nutties in the US Government

I'm not trying to cause controversy here as this is my opinion and I am an Irishman living in Ireland - although I did serve four years with the US Navy.

Trust me, alot of the Anti-Soviet shit America spewed from her ass was propeganda and still is.  We had to have some kinda enemy right, so the citizens could look the other way and fear everything Russia.  I can't tell you how many times I pull up an article and reference it's source document to find the translation is completly bullshit. It's the same kinda crap they did with Barack Obama's middle name by repeating it 30 times infront of uneducated conservative rednecks.

[Rak HaEmet]

I confess- I'm definataly part of the Chavez fan club-

This guy has Huevos!!!

You just gotta love the courage every one of these guys has to stand up against the NWO (or at least the version of it we're currently subjected to).

If Venezuela wasn't so darned hot, i might could move there!

Go Chavez! Tell it on the mountain bro!

(maybe if the Fed (note the lack of US therein) would stop enslaving, bullying and trying to consume every country, Venezuela (a member of OPEC- which seems to be denying the Western version of a NWO) might feel more at ease in their current circumstances.

[i'm not making any claim to love the politics there, or blah, blah, blah- but Chavez himself has some huevos to stand up and give the NWO a raspberry! lol! I love it!]

[STEVEX]

I have family in Guyana and friend in Columbia. If war break out in Venezuela I will relocate to fight to the death. I  know the NWO has the south American continent on its list. I`m pretty good in the IT and engineering propellsion system.

i`ve been send alex and arron russo video to member across the world so other can see the madness.

[Sasha]

I have family in Guyana and friend in Columbia. If war break out in Venezuela I will relocate to fight to the death. I  know the NWO has the south American continent on its list. I`m pretty good in the IT and engineering propellsion system.

i`ve been send alex and arron russo video to member across the world so other can see the madness.

The NWO has nearly bought up Uraguay and Paraguay.  My cousin used to work at the German consulate to Paraguay and he claims that many of the ex-Nazis moved there long ago and have been setting up a South American super state that they'll flee toward when hell breaks loose in the Northern Hemi.  Something about the tradewinds of the equator being strong enough to hold alot of the nuclear fallout in the Northern Hemi.  Here's a Bush family example:

Escape to Paraguay? Rumors of Bush Land Deal
Political Cortex | October 15, 2006

At least two sources, including Upsidedownworld and Prensa Latina, report rumors of a Bush family purchase of land in northern Paraguay.

Upsidedownworld writes, on October 11:
The Governor of Alto Paraguay, Erasmo Rodríguez Acosta has admitted to hearing that George Bush Sr. owns land in the Chaco region of Paraguay, in Paso de Patria. Acosta says that rumor has it that Bush owns near to 70 thousand hectares (173,000 acres) as part of an ecological reserve and/or ranch. However, the governor said he had no documents to prove the rumor.
Prensa Latina, writing on October 13, gives a similar story but names  George W. Bush rather than his father:

An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region...Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.
A visit by Jenna Bush on behalf of Unicef may have triggered speculation, as Upsidedownworld also suggests. But, could there be truth to the rumors? As calls increase for his impeachment, the President could well be thinking that South America would make a fine place to retire.
Another rumored land deal, this one involving the U.S. military, attracted the attention of Project Censored, which listed "U.S. Military in Paraguay" as one of its top 25 censored stories of 2007.

Five hundred U.S. troops arrived in Paraguay with planes, weapons, and ammunition in July 2005, shortly after the Paraguayan Senate granted U.S. troops immunity from national and International Criminal Court (ICC) jurisdiction. Neighboring countries and human rights organizations are concerned that the massive air base at Mariscal Estigarribia, Paraguay is potential real estate for the U.S. military. [Project Censored]
"U.S. and Paraguayan officials vehemently deny ambitions to establish a U.S. military base at Mariscal Estigarribia," writes Project Censored. But, there's good reason to believe this rumor, based on a top-secret memo described by Newsweek on August 9, 2006. The memo, cited in the 9/11 Commission report, "lamented the lack of good targets in Afghanistan and proposed instead U.S. military attacks in South America or Southeast Asia as "a surprise to the terrorists."
The memo's content, NEWSWEEK has learned, was in part the product of ideas from a two-man secret Pentagon intelligence unit appointed by Feith after 9/11: veteran defense analyst Michael Maloof and Mideast expert David Wurmser, now a top foreign-policy aide to Dick Cheney.
They argued that an attack on terrorists in South America—for example, a remote region on the border of Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil where intelligence reports said Iranian-backed Hizbullah had a presence—would have ripple effects on other terrorist operations.
The arrival of U.S. troops at a massive air base in Paraguay - interestingly, not far from rich Bolivian gas fields - suggest that administration officials may have dusted an old plan, having learned no lessons from their disastrous intervention in Iraq.

[knas]

How about some Cold War?
Anyone?

[chris jones]

Arron Russo sayed in his video:the american government will knock down the WTC, then kill the iraq for OIL, then  move into iran/afgan. The final mission will be to get hugo chavez.

Hugo chavez is a SMART man. I believe its in every man, to protect his life and his nation/people. what do you think will happen if the rest of the world gang up on the u.s. with a all out warfare?

the poor really has nothing to live for, except hopes and dreams. I believe most people live in the u.s to achieve they hopes and dreams  . But are you? . Financial slavery (equal employment).

If you don`t have a J.O.B. (jorney of the broke) "join the u.s. army".

 

Hi Steve good one. Fine points bro.

[Optimus]

Lawmaker: Russia resumes military presence in Cuba 
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/03/content_8930856.htm
2008-08-03 19:47:43 
 
    MOSCOW, Aug. 3 (Xinhua) -- A senior Russian parliamentarian said Russia is resuming its military presence in Cuba, the RIA Novosti news agency reported Saturday.

    "Russia should take advantage of all its capabilities to protect its national interests, including the interests in the field of security," said Andrei Klimov, deputy head of the International Affairs Committee at the State Duma, lower house of the parliament.

    Russia should "own its supporting points" in different regions in the world, Klimov said, noting that "Cuba's location has geopolitical importance" and a presence in both economic and military affairs must be built in America.

    The lawmaker did not rule out the possibility of a military presence on the Caribbean Island just off the U.S. coast. "It's possible Russia could do this in response to the U.S. plans to place a missile defense system near the border of Russia," he said, adding that Russia's plans would not involve targeting its missiles at the United States.

    On the recent visit to Cuba by Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, Klimov said Russia and Cuba are planning to restore traditional relations in all areas of cooperation and to build them up in every way.
 

[Optimus]

Chavez trip builds Russian alliance, worries Washington
>Archive - Daily Online
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/13488/
Author: W. T. Whitney Jr.
People's Weekly World Newspaper, 08/03/08 11:15   

 
The main story from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’ recent tour to Belarus, Portugal, Spain and Russia was his visit to Moscow July 22-23. Chavez and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed on banking cooperation, joint energy ventures, arms sales and trade. But stories surfaced suggesting that close ties between the two nations represent a possible security threat to the United States.

Russia and Venezuela ended up deciding on a binational business council and a joint bank aimed at fostering independence from European and U.S. bankers. The leaders arranged for cooperation between the state oil corporations of both nations to exploit Venezuela’s Orinoco Delta oil reserves. Private Russian investment in Venezuelan enterprises was on the agenda, as was the purchase by Lukoil, Russia’s state oil company, of a refinery in Italy to process heavy Venezuelan oil.

Trade between the two countries, predominately fertilizers, aluminum, steel and maritime products, rose from $34 million in 2003 to more than $1.1 billion last year.

World media focused on proposed Venezuelan arms purchases from Russia. The shopping basket includes coastal and air defense systems, warships, patrol aircraft, tanks, missiles and diesel submarines, all at a cost exceeding $1 billion. Venezuela will borrow from Russian banks to finance the deal. Russia has already supplied Venezuela with fighter jets, helicopters and 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles.

While Chavez and accompanying officials were in Europe, the international press circulated information that Venezuela would buy an additional $30 billion worth of weaponry from Russia, also that Venezuela would allow Russia to situate a military base in its territory. TeleSur surveyed these reports and featured an official denial of both stories from Venezuela’s Information Ministry.

The ministry denounced unquestioning acceptance of “falsification,” along with the media’s readiness, especially in Venezuela, to circulate it, and called the reporting a “new element in the constant campaign that imperialism promotes against our country.”

The day before Chavez’ arrival in Moscow, Izvestiya said Russian nuclear bombers would be sent to bases in Cuba specifically in response to U.S. plans to mount a missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. The Russian Foreign Minister denied the story, blaming unnamed foreign states for circulating false reports.

Defense analyst Leonid Ivashov suggested, according to Agence France Presse, that Cuba should be used “not as a permanent base — this is unnecessary — but as a stopover airfield, a refueling stop.” A chorus of media comparisons burgeoned between the alleged Russian plans and the missile crisis of 1962, described by AFP as a “terrifying two-week brinkmanship.”

As if on cue, Air Force General Norton Schwartz told a Senate committee that the presence of Russian bombers in Cuba “crosses a threshold, crosses a red line for the United States of America.” Schwartz, nominated to head the Air Force, was testifying at a confirmation hearing.

The flurry, at the time a Latin American revolutionary was visiting with sympathizing Russian leaders, showed up in the dominant media as a reminder of ostensibly similar encounters in the past. For Washington, the provoking of fear could be seen as a possible counterweight to what President Chavez termed “polycentrism ... a world based in a multipolar order.”

Former Cuban President Fidel Castro commended his government for maintaining “a worthy silence.” The matter of bombers, he stated, is out of Cuban hands. “You will be killed either way, whether you say yes or no. Imperialism applies Machiavellian strategy to Cuba. One need not explain, ask for excuses, or apologize.”

In line with the crescendo of skewed reporting on Russian and Latin American alliances that nurtures fear, Reuters and other sources said during Chavez’ visit to Moscow that Iran is to receive Russian missile batteries capable of defending against attacks on its nuclear facilities.

[longdraw]

i like chavez and love the documentary called" the revolution will not be televised". to me that gives a real clear picture of just how bad the msm outright lies.it was bad there and the exact same here. in venezuela the people knew the msm was lying.thats a really interesting doc a must see!