Why are so many people in the movement religious?

[DAVIDE MTL]

I have heard a few people say that Jesus today would be the most anti-religious person living and on first thought it might come as a little shocking but I think that statement really holds a lot of truth the more you think about it. And also think about the Pharisees which were the priests of the churches in his time and how holy he thought they were. Most churches today are around to entertain you and take your money instead of telling us about Jesus and how he saved us from what we all deserved. Get your church in and then go home and never think about it until the next Sunday...

I don't know which churches you've been to lately but trust me, my church ain't entertaining

[zafada]

Would you consider yourself religious or spiritual?
That is the root of the problem I see cropping up all over the forum.
Religions are like governments and being spiritual is like having the optimal state of liberty free from any restrictive control or thoughts. rules, etc...

Spirituality and religion are two completely different things.  For instance, I began studying the paranormal and so on and through a great deal of practice I learned how to astral project.  I'd consider this something spiritual...not religious.

I think most religions have some spiritual advice but like one person said here, most religions are really out just to get money and power.

So I guess they disregard greed as being something that can hinder spiritual development.

[libertad]

I don't know which churches you've been to lately but trust me, my church ain't entertaining

I'm pretty sure I said most and not all. When I read about churches accepting the new age mentality(there are many paths) and sticking starbucks coffee inside the churches then something is definitely wrong.

[TruthHunter]

I have heard a few people say that Jesus today would be the most anti-religious person living and on first thought it might come as a little shocking but I think that statement really holds a lot of truth the more you think about it. And also think about the Pharisees which were the priests of the churches in his time and how holy he thought they were. Most churches today are around to entertain you and take your money instead of telling us about Jesus and how he saved us from what we all deserved. Get your church in and then go home and never think about it until the next Sunday...

Overturning the tables of the moneychangers is nothing compared to what he's going to do to the churches when he comes back.

[CaptBebops]

Wake up, religions are just a predictive programming technique invented by kings and technicians (priests) to control their subjects without the use of violent force.  Make the subjects feel guilty about doing certian things and sell them a load of bull that if they're nice in this life (IOW, not revolt against the king and let him keep his wealth and power) they'll get a reward after they die.  The best spiritual technique you can practice is to divest yourself of all they programming you've had drummed into you in this lifetime and then you'll have true freedom and be fully awake.

[Boubear]

Dan 12:10      Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

[hyperqube]

I have heard a few people say that Jesus today would be the most anti-religious person living and on first thought it might come as a little shocking but I think that statement really holds a lot of truth the more you think about it. And also think about the Pharisees which were the priests of the churches in his time and how holy he thought they were. Most churches today are around to entertain you and take your money instead of telling us about Jesus and how he saved us from what we all deserved. Get your church in and then go home and never think about it until the next Sunday...

now that is the TRUTH

[ronaldomoon]

Religion, like any construct of humans, can be used for good or ill. It can be used to enslave the mind and spirit or free them. Some of the best people I've known are Christians, and so are some of the worst. Unfortunatly some of the more prominent examples of Christianity, like Benny Hinn, and Pat Robertson, in my opinion, are in it for the power and the money. If Jesus were here he would turn over their tables and chase them from the temple. Then there are those like Mother Teresa, and please if there is someone of you with a Mother Teresa was a NWO shill story please keep it to yourself. She spent her life feeding and helping poor and diseased people. So there are the two extremes of Christianity. One lives a life in the streets of Calcutta caring for lepers, and one draws tens of thousands of people, like a rock star, "heals" some, and rides home in a limo. If you are a Christian and you believe it to be your way, and it helps you to be a better person, I'm in your corner. If you are an atheist who believes there is no God, or afterlife, and we should all do the right thing because it is right, I'm in your corner too. I myself am a recovering Christian. It wasn't for me, but I find many valuable things in it. I guess I pick and choose from the many different sources God laid out before me.

Well said! 

[Real Truth]

Me too. I guess we are just stuck in a mental prison. 

I like this mental prison

[PeaceAndFreedom]

The church during the dark ages was Goverment. They controled every aspect of ones life or death if you did not obey. Free thought was not allowed, and those who yearned for knowledge, medicine, advancements were considered sons of satan, and summarily tortured and killed.

The bible was written from scrolls, thousands of them, hand picked in Constantinople, by men who claimed to be representing God. In reality they sought to unite under the Christian faith and have control of the people. The pagans were killed and their idols demolished.

It should be qualified that the ROMAN church was the Government in the middle ages. When the Reformation happened and Roman apparatus was largely displaced in the Protestant era, there was intellectual and scientific progress. This suggests the faith was not the problem, but pagan Romanism. The Roman empire tried to co-opt Christianity and absorb it into its matrix of pagan traditions---and because of the legitimacy conferred by Christian faith, the empire was able to residually continue through the Catholic Church. Other examples of truly God-based government (like ancient Israel) did not have such a legacy of repression of progress.

And the biblical canon was not 'hand picked in Constantinople,' as it had already been identified by the early Christian fathers in the mid second century. The Muratorian document of about AD 170 lists as canon all the NT books that have come down to us except Hebrews, James, and I and II Peter; contemporary early church fathers Ireneaus and Justin Martyr (circa AD 140) mention the remaining books as canon, so taken together this confirms the NT now known to us exactly. Thus the Bible as we know it was attested to as canon very early, as the whole canon was first identified within 50 years of the last written book (Revelation) despite residual debate over texts that would go another century.

[Alias1975]

Alias you say:
"to me this is just another very powerful way of brain washing a person into a belief system that is used to prison them mentally."

I hear this a lot but as of yet haven't heard a clear explanation, how is my belief in Christ putting me in a mental prison, please be specific if you can, you tried with your quote below 

"Just using Alex as an example here, does his religious beliefs prevent him going down certain lines of research? I mention the Freeman interview again because i think its a great example, as soon as he mentioned his research into the power structure of the elites controlling things went off planet Alex didn't want to go there. Ok you could argue he didn't want to talk about something he couldn't prove but just allowing Freeman to talk about it doesn't mean he believes it himself."

I guess you are referring to aliens, my reply would be don't you think they're atheists who don't believe in aliens? I don' t believe it's just religious people who don't believe in them. Regardless believing in Christ doesn't imprison you to a mental box, I think Alex is proof enough.  Also I would like to get you or anyone else's thought's on Satan, do you believe he exists.

Well obviously not every Christian (or whatever religion) is the same, but the example i gave i do think illustrates my point. Freeman's research had taken him off planet when identifying those at the peak of the power base and Alex just didnt want to go there, i think his religious belief is part of the reason he doesn't want to face that part of the story so he doesn't talk about it. Im sure 10 years ago Alex would have laughed at some of the things he takes for granted now, so why limit himself?

Yes Alex only likes to talk about things he can prove, but if you really think about it aren't some of the claims the organised religions make as far fetched as aliens controlling the planet covertly?

Of course if somebody gets strength from their faith and it helps them in their life thats a wonderful thing, my only point was so many people that are cynical of all the established institutions in this world like the media or education system don't seem to treat the religious institutions with the same level of cynicism. The FACT is, organised religions have been used all over the world to indoctrinate the masses, if you think the Illuminati has their hand in all these core aspects that control our lives surely the only logical conclusion you can come to is that also applies to organised religion and then you have to ask yourself why?

If Christianity (or any other religion) was the only true religion wouldn't the Illuminati try everything to stop it spreading. Why would they force every child to be brought up in a religious way?

To answer the devil question, as i said i do believe theres a force for good and a force for evil.

[clearmyst]

Spirituality and religion are two completely different things.  For instance, I began studying the paranormal and so on and through a great deal of practice I learned how to astral project.  I'd consider this something spiritual...not religious.

I think most religions have some spiritual advice but like one person said here, most religions are really out just to get money and power.

So I guess they disregard greed as being something that can hinder spiritual development.

Exactly, with religion you have to have this insane concept(faith) particularly with christianity which is one reason I think elites have pushed it for so many years before the likes of the vatican lost control or become more useless in modern times.
Faith is for the slaves and dumb dogs, mankind has his power and it is his advanced mind/logic/intuition.

What kind of astral projection do you do, dreams or while awake? Also what practices did it take for you achieve that?

[Belle de la Liberté]

Faith is for the slaves and dumb dogs, mankind has his power and it is his advanced mind/logic/intuition.

I have faith that our movement shall defeat those that wish to oppress us. I have faith that we shall create a world wherein men and women can live freely, as sovereigns. I have faith in humanity's ability to overcome the New World Order. I have faith in you, and in myself, and in all men and women who have seen the light of truth. We shall overcome!

[esquared]

"If Christianity (or any other religion) was the only true religion wouldn't the Illuminati try everything to stop it spreading. Why would they force every child to be brought up in a religious way? "

I don't believe they would . Look at drugs , they are illegal and people want them . Outlaw religion and it would go underground . Look at what the feds have done by telling ministers to calm the masses and turn in the guns when the government says so , they don't need to destroy religion , they already control it .

[Eidolon]

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church." ~ Thomas Paine

    4. Religion. Your reason is now mature enough to examine this object. In the first place, divest yourself of all bias in favor of novelty & singularity of opinion. Indulge them in any other subject rather than that of religion. It is too important, and the consequences of error may be too serious. On the other hand, shake off all the fears & servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine first, the religion of your own country. Read the Bible, then as you would read Livy or Tacitus. The facts which are within the ordinary course of nature, you will believe on the authority of the writer, as you do those of the same kind in Livy & Tacitus. The testimony of the writer weighs in their favor, in one scale, and their not being against the laws of nature, does not weigh against them. But those facts in the Bible which contradict the laws of nature, must be examined with more care, and under a variety of faces. Here you must recur to the pretensions of the writer to inspiration from God. Examine upon what evidence his pretensions are founded, and whether that evidence is so strong, as that its falsehood would be more improbable than a change in the laws of nature, in the case he relates. For example, in the book of Joshua, we are told, the sun stood still several hours. Were we to read that fact in Livy or Tacitus, we should class it with their showers of blood, speaking of statues, beasts, &c. But it is said, that the writer of that book was inspired. Examine, therefore, candidly, what evidence there is of his having been inspired. The pretension is entitled to your inquiry, because millions believe it. On the other hand, you are astronomer enough to know how contrary it is to the law of nature that a body revolving on its axis, as the earth does, should have stopped, should not, by that sudden stoppage, have prostrated animals, trees, buildings, and should after a certain time gave resumed its revolution, & that without a second general prostration. Is this arrest of the earth's motion, or the evidence which affirms it, most within the law of probabilities? You will next read the New Testament. It is the history of a personage called Jesus. Keep in your eye the opposite pretensions: 1, of those who say he was begotten by God, born of a virgin, suspended & reversed the laws of nature at will, & ascended bodily into heaven; and 2, of those who say he was a man of illegitimate birth, of a benevolent heart, enthusiastic mind, who set out without pretensions to divinity, ended in believing them, and was punished capitally for sedition, by being gibbeted, according to the Roman law, which punished the first commission of that offence by whipping, & the second by exile, or death in fureâ. See this law in the Digest Lib. 48. tit. 19. §. 28. 3. & Lipsius Lib 2. de cruce. cap. 2. These questions are examined in the books I have mentioned under the head of religion, & several others. They will assist you in your inquiries, but keep your reason firmly on the watch in reading them all.

    Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, & that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a God, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat, you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject anything, because any other persons, or description of persons, have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision. I forgot to observe, when speaking of the New Testament, that you should read all the histories of Christ, as well of those whom a council of ecclesiastics have decided for us, to be Pseudo-evangelists, as those they named Evangelists. Because these Pseudo-evangelists pretended to inspiration, as much as the others, and you are to judge their pretensions by your own reason, and not by the reason of those ecclesiastics. Most of these are lost. There are some, however, still extant, collected by Fabricius, which I will endeavor to get & send you. ~ Thomas Jefferson

[Div]

You know I used to get kinda annoyed at people taking cheap jabs at the christians here on this site, but now I see the christians really do no part to stop instigating those attacks. I've looked at 4 different threads so far today and every one of them has some self righteous douchebag attacking other people in the name of their god. They think their interpertation of their book gives them the right to act like a dick and somehow still be on the moral highgrounds. I realize not all christians are like this, but the ones who aren't don't do a very good job of telling the others where they are wrong. Instead of bashing gays, strippers, other religions, and talking about the "coming" rapture why don't you discuss something productive for a change? What happened to being compassionate to others, wasn't that the main message jesus was trying to get out? I guess tolerating others would be too hard so it's easier to just burn witches. Hell, why am I even wasting my time, most of them can't even spell properly even with a spell check button right there.

*2 cents*

[Kregener]

You scoff at people's FAITH and then go down the 'alien' alley?

Check.

[Dok]

What happened to being compassionate to others, wasn't that the main message Jesus was trying to get out? I guess tolerating others would be too hard so it's easier to just burn witches.

This wasn't his message, also he was only compasionate to a point.

Hell, why am I even wasting my time, most of them can't even spell properly even with a spell check button right there.

Maybe you should read the gospels to see exactly what he taught before mocking others. The reasons there are so many CHRISTIANS here (not religious) is everything thats happening (NWO) is predicted in the bible, no other book in history does that with 100% accuracy. Were here because we know the end from the begging.

[Dreadly03]

...everything thats happening (NWO) is predicted in the bible, no other book in history does that with 100% accuracy.

No other book does that?

Have you read the Torah and, Qur'an? they all have similar stories...

you might want to look into that...

[Dok]

have, no they dont. did you??

[Dreadly03]

yes they do have similar stories... i will try and find some examples

[Dok]

Also Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible.

[Kregener]

“Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God and angels know of us.” - Thomas Paine

Just for...'balance'.

[Boubear]

Well the Torah is the Old Testament, so they only have half of it, but you can still find the end in it.  Issaiah speaks allot of what's coming, so does Daniel, and many other prophets.  But the Koran is a cheap imitation, and it only repeats some of what the Bible already said.

[Kregener]

Well the Torah is the Old Testament...

No, as stated above, it is the first 5 books of the Old Testament.

[trx32]

Christianity is fine. It is A way...It is not the ONLY WAY however.

 1) I think that religion becomes EVIL when people insist that thier way is the ONLY WAY...

   Kinda like the Muslim Fanatics...(get my point?)

  2) I also think that Knowlege is more powerful that Faith...(personal opinion)

      You could have faith that 'the sky is green' and it would still be blue....

      How do you know that what you 'believe' is true? Have you ever tested it?   Or do you accept what someone
      else told you? Becuase someone handed it down to you? That sounds like "BLIND" Faith?
      I prefer to seek and find out what's going on.  Truth will always hold up to examination, otherwise it would not be 'Truth'.

[dogmadestroyer]

Christianity is fine. It is A way...It is not the ONLY WAY however.

 1) I think that religion becomes EVIL when people insist that thier way is the ONLY WAY...

   Kinda like the Muslim Fanatics...(get my point?)

  2) I also think that Knowlege is more powerful that Faith...(personal opinion)

      You could have faith that 'the sky is green' and it would still be blue....

      How do you know that what you 'believe' is true? Have you ever tested it?   Or do you accept what someone
      else told you? Becuase someone handed it down to you? That sounds like "BLIND" Faith?
      I prefer to seek and find out what's going on.  Truth will always hold up to examination, otherwise it would not be 'Truth'.

You hit the nail on the head trx... just don't expect many to see that here.

[Wanted]

 1) I think that religion becomes EVIL when people insist that thier way is the ONLY WAY...

There is way to much of this sometimes, on this forum. 

[Div]

This wasn't his message, also he was only compasionate to a point.

Maybe you should read the gospels to see exactly what he taught before mocking others. The reasons there are so many CHRISTIANS here (not religious) is everything thats happening (NWO) is predicted in the bible, no other book in history does that with 100% accuracy. Were here because we know the end from the begging.

Yes, its supposed to have 100% accuracy, yet that's why no one can come to a common consensus about it. People believed that in 1000 AD the rapture would come, but it didn't. How many people thought Hitler was the antichrist? He fit the M.O. so perfectly... yet he is gone and we are all still here, no rapture, no armageddon. Year 2000 was supposed to be armageddon as well. Now the big new date is 2012, and when nothing happens then where will you push the timetable off to?

As far as reading gospel, I know it says things like "love thy neighbor" and "treat others as you would have them treat you". Would you like another religious group getting in your face and telling you how to behave? I don't think you would. In fact, alot of christian posters make that very clear. Perhaps before you guys attack other people you should put yourself in their shoes and think "hey, maybe I shouldn't say this, maybe this kind of thinking is counterproductive and just alienates us from everyone else, and that just makes a NWO takeover all the more easier"

[Kregener]

Evolution is fine. It is A way...It is not the ONLY WAY however.

 1) I think that evolution becomes EVIL when people insist that thier way is the ONLY WAY...

   Kinda like the Global Warming Fanatics...(get my point?)

  2) I also think that Knowlege is more powerful that Faith...(personal opinion)

      You could have faith that 'the sky is green' and it would still be blue....

      How do you know that what you 'believe' is true? Have you ever tested it?   Or do you accept what someone
      else told you? Becuase someone handed it down to you? That sounds like "BLIND" Faith?
      I prefer to seek and find out what's going on.  Truth will always hold up to examination, otherwise it would not be 'Truth'.

 

[Dok]

God said his proof is in creation and prophecy. Ans the prophecies have been 100% right 100% of the time, no other book can do that. And Jesus was either a mad man or he was who he said he was, and he is the only person in history to come back. Buddha didn't, Mohammad didn't and its not my religion that said its the only way Jesus did "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' So there is no other way. Hes either who he said he was or not.

most other religions (mans search for a god) are circler in their teaching Hinduism, Buddhism, most Asian practices. Even under Islam you have no guarantee of going to heaven. Now I'm not trying to put any one down,you can believe anything you like Aliens (see John Keel's works and Valee), Evolution (see Angular momentum) or anything else. Ive studied and followed most until i fest up and excepted the bible for what it said. Its never been proven wrong. I'm just tired of seeing that Christians are wrong, dumb, don't know anything.

Like i said earlier there are so many Christians in this movement is because we were told of all this happening along time ago, and we shouldn't just lay down and take it. And yes i already know who's going to win but that docsent mean don't fight back like so many have through out history.

sorry if you take offense at any of this but i also take offense when my relation ship wit god is called in to question by people who really don't know what there talking about.

Christianity is fine. It is A way...It is not the ONLY WAY however.

Only through studying other religions can we give an answer for the faith thats inside of us.  

[trx32]

If that is what you believe fine.

   I just say people can't take what's handed to them by someone else.
  As for me I will ALWAYS think for myself and use my own discernment.
   Whether it's the Government, Religion or anything else

 ..after all it IS an INFO WAR....

  lol

[Dok]

Good post 

[libertad]

Christianity is fine. It is A way...It is not the ONLY WAY however.

 1) I think that religion becomes EVIL when people insist that thier way is the ONLY WAY...

You are just pushing new age crap. The way religion becomes evil for instance is when the people of that religion don't follow it but only take the name of it.

Stand up for what you believe in or don't believe it at all. And to the "Christians": the bible tells us that Jesus is the only way.

[Wanted]

Stand up for what you believe in or don't believe it at all. And to the "Christians": the bible tells us that Jesus is the only way.

1) I think that religion becomes EVIL when people insist that thier way is the ONLY WAY...

   Kinda like the Muslim Fanatics...(get my point?)

Similiarities?

[libertad]

Similiarities?

Why not quote the whole post? Like I said, being a true follower I would never kill someone over it. I think people have to make their own choices and they can make whichever choice they want. But I still will remain true to mine which says Jesus is the only way.

[Dok]

You have to accept Jesus, it can't be forced on you. And please dont bring up Catholic history and say"look what the christians did". There not Christians.

[Wanted]

Why not quote the whole post? Like I said, being a true follower I would never kill someone over it. I think people have to make their own choices and they can make whichever choice they want. But I still will remain true to mine which says Jesus is the only way.

Jesus is the way for you...but not for ALLL. 

[libertad]

Jesus is the way for you...but not for ALLL. 

Sure, I agree he is the only way for me. That's what I'm saying.
Go ahead and believe what thou wilt.

[Boubear]

No, as stated above, it is the first 5 books of the Old Testament.

Yes, but they do have have the other books of the prophets also.  So they really have no excuse!!