Why are so many people in the movement religious?

[Alias1975]

This is something thats always puzzled me, people that have such a great grasp over the enormity of the whole thing yet they're still caught up in the mental prison that is organised religion.

Even Alex, talking to Freeman a few days ago, as soon as Freeman said his research had led him off this planet when it came to finding those at the tip of the power base, Alex didnt want to go there.

If we accept that the Illuminati has controlled every aspect of our lives for hundreds and thousands of years why do some people think that doesn't apply to organised religion? We talk about how we're controlled from birth through the media and education system surely we must also accept that organised religions are another way of controlling us, and in the US and UK, Christianity is the religion thats pushed on children at school, why?

As soon as you have a belief system to defend that has to effect the way you research these types of topics if you come across something that goes against that belief system, do you ignore it?

I have no doubt we're talking about good v evil here, but why do people have to put a name to that force for good, why can't it just be a force for good?

I can't help but feel peoples attachment to organised religion could be the big hurdle they need to get over to fully understand whats happening here.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

"Why are so many people in the movement religious?"

Because God made it that way. 

[Sub-X]

Great point there Alias,and you are so right but what you are about to find out soon enough with this thread that everything you mentioned is controlled and has been inflitrated apart from Christianity 

[dogmadestroyer]

Well, if you push any sort of belief system which must be adhered to 100% you get a reactive person. Really, its the same psychological tool that patriotism is. No thought, only visceral reaction. I hate to see it in this movement about free thought, ultimately finding truth, and correcting it for our own sakes. Unfortunately, programming can't be broken down with many people and they're here too.

They're mostly good people (save a few) but I feel sorry for them.

[oyk152]

The Birth of Christianity
Judaism as a whole underwent a major upset with the birth of Christianity, these new Judeo-Christian were seen to be heretics (anti-believers) by some and while others viewed Christianity as a sect of Judaism.

Many converted to this new religion; the Jews in Judaea, Greek Jews of the Diaspora and even pagans. As Christianity began to spread opposition to it grew. The Christians were often persecuted, but “persecution resulted in dispersion and dispersion meant that the gospel spread far and wide” (Acts 8:4). In the early days there were no actual Churches where people met for worship, this was partly due to the persecution and poverty of Christians in the first 300 years of its existence and partly due to the fact that Christians believed that Jesus would return again and the end of the world was very near. Therefore it seemed pointless building places worship. Nevertheless, as time passed, certain people were appointed to look after areas where there were large groups of Christians

 The persecution of the Christians continued until third century CE when Emperor Constantine became a Christian and made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. During this time, the Jews were also being persecuted by the Romans who was largely polytheistic and when Christianity became the state religion of Rome under Constantine the Jews suffered persecution in the hands of the Roman Christians.

As a result of this, Jews withdrew into their own communities to build a way of life to preserve their identity as Jews. The religion that emerged from this period became know as Rabbinic Judaism, all modern branches of Judaism descends from this.

[hyperqube]

organized religion and belief in God are two very different things. 

[Eidolon]

Hale to the Mighty Æsir!

[CigarsNBourbon]

I follow no religion's doctrine, but I do believe in a higher power. It's a state of mind when you pray.

[angndon]

organized religion and belief in God are two very different things. 

Exactly how I feel.  I believe in God, but I have many many issues with organized religion. 

[baldguy]

organized religion and belief in God are two very different things. 

Agreed

[Belle de la Liberté]

I believe in God, I read the Bible, but I haven't set foot in a church in over a decade, barring weddings and funerals. I wear a cross to remind me of Jesus's suffering for his beliefs, and the persecution that he underwent trying to enlighten his fellow man. I have faith in him, and his message, but I'm not so sure about the miracles and magic attributed to him.

I'm not sure if I'm really a Christian or not, I suppose most would not consider me so, but I do have faith, and am spiritual. I try to live my life according to Jesus's teachings. Does that make me religious, or is having religion something else? Is it believing in the supernatural, following the dogma without critically analysing it, attempting to convert or discriminating against those who do not believe as your religion dictates? If so, I don't want that.

[oyk152]

We all better should have issues with organized religion. If Rockefeller's and co are sponsoring this organization we better stay away from them.Here a couple of article about the Rockefeller's and Church

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/rockefeller.htm

[TruthHunter]

Organized religion is the key. Organized religions are controlled. Not everyone who has what would be considered a religious belief is a member of an organized religion. When I have to fill out a government form and it asks me to fill in my religion, I fill in Christian-Other or Christian-Unaffiliated depending on how it's worded(this is what the Moonies fill in, but I'm not one of them either. It's just the most accurate description on the forms). My family is Catholic, but I fell away from that a long time ago and I don't consider myself Protestant, either, and I certainly can't classify myself as being a member of any of the Eastern Christian churches. Every lie, has a shred of truth, even religion. You have to find the shred of truth and build on it.

[clearmyst]

I respect the hell of out of Alex and will support him to the end, but it does sadden me that he is not able for w/e/ reason to break out of his christian paradigm
Y'know, on occasion when he is in a really soul searching mood and he is talking about it on air or with certain guests, I think he comes sooo close to breaking the walls down. But in comes some re-stimulative factor or person(like texe marrs for example) he reverts to the christ mantra stuff.(and not bashing texe for some of the good info on monuments and symbols he brings which is good from what i've seen)

[lazarus]

Its pretty obvious that evil has become pretty organized also.

[chris jones]

Its human nature. To begin with no one wants to die and rot away , food for the worms and nothing more.
I'ts a certainty that most feel a basic need to beleive in a creator, unless you feel we developed from microbes. The chicken and the egg, which came first. Never realy solved?

It is unavoidable, politics and religion can be compared to bread and butter. It has been said there is a seperation of chruch and state, however our dollar alone declares, in God we trust. We fight or God and county. And on and on.

The church during the dark ages was Goverment. They controled every aspect of ones life or death if you did not obey. Free thought was not allowed, and those who yearned for knowledge, medicine, advancements were considered sons of satan, and summarily tortured and killed.

The bible was written from scrolls, thousands of them, hand picked in Constantinople, by men who claimed to be representing God. In reality they sought to unite under the Christian faith and have control of the people. The pagans were killed and their idols demolished.
We all know the past, those who want to dig for it that is. Holy crusades and killing for Christ, the Spanish inquisition, paying monks to be certain your loved ones who perished were sent to heaven. And on and on.
Till today,children are raised in the faith of their parents, they attend school in churches explaining the displine set forth, no matter what the religion.
In fear of Blasphemy. Stray from the word and you are no longer of the flock. Hellfire will rain down upon you and only the chosen will be lifted up to the kingdom. And on and on.
We, this nation fights, kill and die for God and country. You tell me.?
Religion does not dominate me, I have my own beliefs, and admit it.  I will not debate it, or attempt to push my beleifs on anyone.

I remember Billy Graham, the presidents high holy man praying for the soldiers, our troops. In a illegal genocide of  a nation. A profit makng enterprise. Millions killed and profits made for the elite, very holy of him. Never once did he ask for the war to stop.

It is up to the person to decide, but the effect it has is the control of the masses and a from of hypocracy. If Christiantiy were to be practiced in truth, the beleivers would be filling the streets in a rage and rebellion. Where are they.

Bush talks with God, there are those that beleive the hand of God is moving him believe it or not.
We are murdering Muslims who are innocent on all counts, but its ok, they are but insects to be steped on. There is an underlying religious understanding, deep down. Just as the MUslims want their land free of infedels, and are trained they should be killed if on their soil.

OK, I don't have a brand of religion, I respect them and will not attempt to ridicule them. I hope no one thinks I am but stating truths.

To end my thoughts, there is a right and a wrong. Thats simple enough for me.  
Two points, we as free human beings can not give our mind and souls to either govverments or religion. If we do, we loose. Have your beleifs, just stop the genocide, bring the troops home, admit we were decieved into an illegal war that will lead to and perpetuate more war for the Elites empires.
 Criminals hiding behind the flag, have manipulated the masses knowing they were culture bred to be blind patriots and beleive in their government. The clever ones knew this and used it, just as they used religion to control. They have raped our land, stolen our freedom, broken the constitution, and soon if allowed will destroy  our bill of rights.
 
Religions asside for a moment, keep it on level, what is right and what is wrong. Is our method of democracy by extermination a good method, do some beleive this is the will of God.
Or do they beleive this country our county right or wrong.

Your corect why so much chatter about religion, when in fact if it were in practice there would not be war. Religion is fine if you remain with your free will and a clear mind, if one can accept the fact that religions have caused wars for a milenium.

A book, I did not mean to write this much, we simply have to do what is right in this world, we all know what it is, we can not hide behind religions, or the flag and make them our purpose for living and dying, each man is his own religion in the end.

Mind control truly sucks.

[JonTheSavage]

I believe in the word of our savior Jesus Christ, and speak to him, and the father on a daily basis. Does that make me religious?

[Raincheck]

I believe in the word of our savior Jesus Christ, and speak to him, and the father on a daily basis. Does that make me religious?

Me too. I guess we are just stuck in a mental prison. 

[clearmyst]

I believe in the word of our savior Jesus Christ, and speak to him, and the father on a daily basis. Does that make me religious?

Would you consider yourself religious or spiritual?
That is the root of the problem I see cropping up all over the forum.
Religions are like governments and being spiritual is like having the optimal state of liberty free from any restrictive control or thoughts. rules, etc...

[birgit]

This is something thats always puzzled me, people that have such a great grasp over the enormity of the whole thing yet they're still caught up in the mental prison that is organised religion.

Even Alex, talking to Freeman a few days ago, as soon as Freeman said his research had led him off this planet when it came to finding those at the tip of the power base, Alex didnt want to go there.

If we accept that the Illuminati has controlled every aspect of our lives for hundreds and thousands of years why do some people think that doesn't apply to organised religion? We talk about how we're controlled from birth through the media and education system surely we must also accept that organised religions are another way of controlling us, and in the US and UK, Christianity is the religion thats pushed on children at school, why?

As soon as you have a belief system to defend that has to effect the way you research these types of topics if you come across something that goes against that belief system, do you ignore it?

I have no doubt we're talking about good v evil here, but why do people have to put a name to that force for good, why can't it just be a force for good?

I can't help but feel peoples attachment to organised religion could be the big hurdle they need to get over to fully understand whats happening here.

I can't help but feel people attachment to their non-christian belief system could be a big hurdle they need to get over to fully understand what's happening here.       right back at ya....

[JonTheSavage]

Would you consider yourself religious or spiritual?
That is the root of the problem I see cropping up all over the forum.
Religions are like governments and being spiritual is like having the optimal state of liberty free from any restrictive control or thoughts. rules, etc...

My government is not of this world. I'll put it that way.

[MooseHunter]

Why "Why are so many people in the movement religious?"?

The founding fathers came from different religious backgrounds. Freemasonry, Christianity..

Isn't freedom of religion one of the principles on which this country is founded?

Why the horror?

We all know Alex isn't for organized religion, so?

Pastor Butch isn't for organized religion, although he does not actively support homosexuality. He has a right to say whatever he likes, as long as he doesn't force that thing down your throat. B.t.w. since it was made public that Kent Snyder was gay, Pastor Butch has withdrawn his support of Ron Paul, although he thinks that Ron Paul is still the best candidate out there.

I love watching Pastor Butch preaching. A true hillbilly preacher. Although I do not agree with him on maybe half of his ideas. Sincerity, integrity, godliness are the rare qualities that I appreciate in him. I dislike his blatant ignorance on some issues. Although people like Pastor Butch and Texe Marrs seem to preach an all-exclusive version of christianity, bigoted some would say, but these very people are way much better than a NWO who preaches all-inclusiveness, harmony, protection of minorities, because all these are lies which hide hideous criminal intentions.

[hyperqube]

yeah, it's funny when people think they're to smart for God.

[GoingEtheric]

The answer to your question: because the bible predicts a final one-world government where buying and selling is done tightly restricted and done through identification and that the whole thing is perpetrated by wicked people in high places. ( check, check, and check )

Believing he's doing God's will is what keeps him fighting; whether christianity is true or not. So be it. Believing you're a tool of God gives courage, and you need that to stand up against the people he does. Hearing him talk about God for ( no more than ) 20 minutes is a small price to pay for us so that he may rest easier, stand  higher, and fight with all he's got. Deal with it, or jump ship.

[Clyde Barrow]

I'm not religious, but never under estimate the power of faith.

[esquared]

I went to church a lot when I was younger . It was always a bummer and I never felt uplifted in any way . My best friend who is still my best friend 30 years later and I both saw right through the people that ran our church . We saw the money changer in the lobby offering loans at 30% to help build our building and we also saw through the ministers and saw them as what they were , men who found a way to get paid and not pay tax on it . We saw the control and the bonds of guilt used to enslave us . We saw the multi level marketing of Amway and Shaklee . We saw the other kids suffering abuse just like us and nobody gave a damn about the kids , just the money . I believe that most people in church are being driven to the gates of hell by the preacher . I quit church after I was 18 and have never been back and never will .

Going to church was weird as I felt I was being taken to a place of great evil filled with liars and hypocrites . It's kind of like the movie They Live only I have never needed special glasses to see right through a person . The thing that bothers me is that most christians think because they go on Sunday they are christians but that is far from the truth . I have awakened a few of my christian friends through the videos on this site and now they are scared because they put their faith in the preacher man .

I am at a point where I don't need any man to stand in my way between God . If you are not the same way you may want to rethink your salvation .

I have known about what was going on and where the world was headed since I was a child since my dad was in military intelligence . I was taught to see past what most call reality . I put it out of my mind for over 20 years as I wanted to live life a little but watched the signs . I took another bottle of the red pills last fall when I saw things taking major turns and now I am ready for what is to come and look forward to it . I am now fully aware again and can walk through life and see what is really going on . I feel we will be in the fight of our lives soon and I am fine with that .

God wants us to be free and do right . I don't believe for a minute that he ever intended for us to be enslaved by his word but man figured out a way to use our fear of death and the afterlife to enslave us . I think Jesus came to earth to free us from religion and from the will of men . If organized religion is the right path then how in the hell are we supposed to pick the right church to get us there with so many choices . Every church I have ever been involved with said they were the right path and if you left you would be dammed so then which one is right ? It has taken a long time to get where I am at but I believe none of the churches are right . How many people have been murdered by the churches because they were of a different belief ?

Now to answer your question . If you are in this movement you are on the path of right and freedom . Believe in God and accept him and you will be fine . Do good and ask for forgiveness when you do wrong , not informing people is wrong . Good christian people are the only ones fighting for us . When things get bad and you are not magically raptured right away don't lose your faith as I believe that real christians will be the only ones standing against the evil and we are going to be tested first .

Stupid as this may sound I knew that things were never right but was never able to define it until I saw the Matrix with the scene I am posting below . I don't idolize any movies but the matrix did help me to put a meaning to things I have always felt . I would love to spend a day talking to the person that wrote it . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-YeULDNe0

[ronaldomoon]

People, people - we gotta get over before we go under. Let's get on the good foot. 

Seriously though, we really need to just all agree to keep religion/spirituality a personal issue. If we can do that - I think that we will win. But, I'm afraid that it may be too late. 

[TheGoodFight1984]

I agree with the above poster - your faith is your personal business, please keep it to yourself. if there's one thing that puts me off being on this forum it's the evolution / religion threads. I don't like the religion-bashing threads either in defense of those who do choose to worship a deity or follow the bible.

It is also a very American thing as well I've noticed, over here in the UK religion is pretty much a dead sport, people I've known as devout christians / born-agains are dropping like flies.

[strgzr]

Religion, like any construct of humans, can be used for good or ill. It can be used to enslave the mind and spirit or free them. Some of the best people I've known are Christians, and so are some of the worst. Unfortunatly some of the more prominent examples of Christianity, like Benny Hinn, and Pat Robertson, in my opinion, are in it for the power and the money. If Jesus were here he would turn over their tables and chase them from the temple. Then there are those like Mother Teresa, and please if there is someone of you with a Mother Teresa was a NWO shill story please keep it to yourself. She spent her life feeding and helping poor and diseased people. So there are the two extremes of Christianity. One lives a life in the streets of Calcutta caring for lepers, and one draws tens of thousands of people, like a rock star, "heals" some, and rides home in a limo. If you are a Christian and you believe it to be your way, and it helps you to be a better person, I'm in your corner. If you are an atheist who believes there is no God, or afterlife, and we should all do the right thing because it is right, I'm in your corner too. I myself am a recovering Christian. It wasn't for me, but I find many valuable things in it. I guess I pick and choose from the many different sources God laid out before me.

[lazarus]

Seriously though, we really need to just all agree to keep religion/spirituality a personal issue.

It is supposed to be all. Personal, social, organized, and historical. The physical organization is only temporary in time, until the spirit is released. This makes it vulnerable to all sorts of evils until then. It still can be personal if you do not have to give up your free will in that "organization".

[DAVIDE MTL]

Alias, one question, do you believe in the devil, that their exists this evil spirit , if not all these elitist who are into the occult,Tony Blair doing his weird dance and prayer, where do they get this from, why do you think so many are into the occult?

[chris jones]

I believe in the word of our savior Jesus Christ, and speak to him, and the father on a daily basis. Does that make me religious?

The way you live your life, your convictions and actions.
Religion is defined as your method of worship, each man on this earth worships in one way or another. It all boils down to free will and not being led to beleive by the so called masters of the word and the hands of God so called, religous leaders.

Look at Bush, a fervant Christian, he quotes the bible, has said he is the hand of God. A great cover, and add to that he drapes himself in the flag with the drums beating, the Super Patriot saving the world.
He in my oppinion woships power and money., to keep it simple that is.

Worship as how you feel you must, just don't let them trap you into using their methods to turn your mind.
Just my thoughts, no offense intended, and I respect your beliefs.

[Alias1975]

Alias, one question, do you believe in the devil, that their exists this evil spirit , if not all these elitist who are into the occult,Tony Blair doing his weird dance and prayer, where do they get this from, why do you think so many are into the occult?

Some interesting replies, to answer this question i did say in my original post i do think we are dealing with good v evil here however i don't attach the name Jesus or Allah to that force for good.

I guess my point is most of us here fully accept that the Illuminati look to control every aspect of our lives, organised religion is probably the biggest influence on the vast majority of people on planet earth so surely it makes sense that the Illuminati will be controlling it. Just from my own personal experience living in the UK i was forced into a Christian education (or i guess you could call it programming) in school, to me this is just another very powerful way of brain washing a person into a belief system that is used to prison them mentally.

Just using Alex as an example here, does his religious beliefs prevent him going down certain lines of research? I mention the Freeman interview again because i think its a great example, as soon as he mentioned his research into the power structure of the elites controlling things went off planet Alex didn't want to go there. Ok you could argue he didn't want to talk about something he couldn't prove but just allowing Freeman to talk about it doesn't mean he believes it himself.

But as soon as you place these restrictions on where your prepared to go and start editing your research to fit into these dogmatic beliefs i think thats a dangerous road to go down in fully understanding things.

I just find it strange that so many enlightened people that have such a good grasp on how we're controlled from cradle to grave give organised religion almost a free pass.

[Truth Warrior]

The truth is that the media demons are pushing an agenda that is against the major religions and pushing their new age nonsense - what does that tell you?

Whatever they are selling, don't buy it - this is common sense.

Secondly, prophecy is coming true - the NWO is merely "The Beast" coming out of Europe - as prophesied.

I think those who don't believe in God need to wake up and see reality for what it is!

[Boubear]

Belief in Christ and religion are two different things.  Jesus paid the price for our sins, we can't do anything for ourselves to become save.  Religion makes you do works and says only through their religion doing what they tell you can you become saved.  It places a yoke around your neck.  Believing in Christ sets you free from man having control of you!!!

I understand a lot more of the NWO, by reading the Bible, and seeing what God as told us.  It opens your eyes to what is going to happen.

If you don't believe in the bible, then you don't see that they are going to pull the ultimate hoax on people, by placing a leader and telling everyone that this leader is their messiah, god.  Many people will believe him to be a great leader, who will finally bring peace to the earth and fall for his trickeries.  

So knowing what God has told us in advance, we can see even more of what is happening!!

[chaosrules]

Whether you are a spiritual person or not what does it matter? I'm not religious but I respect those hat are. If it helps a person live a happy fullfiled life then I am all for it.

The reason we are all here reading these is because we all have the same belief and that is the world is going Pear shaped. we know we are being fed lies etc etc. We are here for the continuation of the Human race which at the moment seems to getting bleaker by the day.We are here to wake people up to stop them digesting this rubbish that is fed to us daily by our wonderful mainstream media.

Governments are not what we should be looking up to but the progression of the human race!!

Religion can always be deemed the thorn in the side in most subjects so don't let it. Just keep spreading the word. No NWO. If there is a NWO we will  most likely have to follow some sort of religion whether we like it or not. there will be no choice.

Take a red chill pill..

[DAVIDE MTL]

Alias you say:
"to me this is just another very powerful way of brain washing a person into a belief system that is used to prison them mentally."

I hear this a lot but as of yet haven't heard a clear explanation, how is my belief in Christ putting me in a mental prison, please be specific if you can, you tried with your quote below 

"Just using Alex as an example here, does his religious beliefs prevent him going down certain lines of research? I mention the Freeman interview again because i think its a great example, as soon as he mentioned his research into the power structure of the elites controlling things went off planet Alex didn't want to go there. Ok you could argue he didn't want to talk about something he couldn't prove but just allowing Freeman to talk about it doesn't mean he believes it himself."

I guess you are referring to aliens, my reply would be don't you think they're atheists who don't believe in aliens? I don' t believe it's just religious people who don't believe in them. Regardless believing in Christ doesn't imprison you to a mental box, I think Alex is proof enough.  Also I would like to get you or anyone else's thought's on Satan, do you believe he exists.

[TruthHunter]

The way you live your life, your convictions and actions.
Religion is defined as your method of worship, each man on this earth worships in one way or another. It all boils down to free will and not being led to beleive by the so called masters of the word and the hands of God so called, religous leaders.

Look at Bush, a fervant Christian, he quotes the bible, has said he is the hand of God. A great cover, and add to that he drapes himself in the flag with the drums beating, the Super Patriot saving the world.
He in my oppinion woships power and money., to keep it simple that is.

Worship as how you feel you must, just don't let them trap you into using their methods to turn your mind.
Just my thoughts, no offense intended, and I respect your beliefs.

Bush is no Christian. His own actions have tripped him up and exposed him for what he is. Just because someone claims to be a Christian or wraps themselves in the trappings of Christianity does not mean that they are. We are warned to be wary of the ones who say they are Jews but are not but are the synagogue of Satan. Jews in this sense can be mean those who claim to be righteous rather than a reference to those we think of as Jews. So beware of those who claim righteousness but by their actions prove that they are not. Bush is such a person.

[Div]

the basic philosophy of christianity isnt bad. treat others with respect, honor your parents, dont kill/steal/lie, dont become egotistical. the problem is alot of people forget those rules and would rather focus more on attacking other people because theyre "heathens" and "blasphemers" and they somehow think it's their duty to go around acting on gods will.

[libertad]

I have heard a few people say that Jesus today would be the most anti-religious person living and on first thought it might come as a little shocking but I think that statement really holds a lot of truth the more you think about it. And also think about the Pharisees which were the priests of the churches in his time and how holy he thought they were. Most churches today are around to entertain you and take your money instead of telling us about Jesus and how he saved us from what we all deserved. Get your church in and then go home and never think about it until the next Sunday...