SODOM AND GAMORHA: BACK FROM THE PAST

[Dok]

It finally happened, LA has completely sunk to the lowest depths.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70050

[GentlemanVillain]

not there yet...but getting close

Homosexual rape gangs ran amuck in the streets of Sodom.... SF is still a few years away from that happening....but I'm also certain that it's gonna happen...

[chris jones]

I read the article, it did not mention gay rape,  I'll take your word for it.

Prostitution is the oldest known profession. Try and stop it, send them to jail, or whatever, it will not stop, nor has it ever since the dawn of time.

I don't use woman that way, just don't want to thats all. Some guys have needs and can't get releif, there will allways be and allways has been.
 Though it has been controlled by thugs and pimps, the seedy and deadly side of life.

Facing the facts is not easy, judging is.
I know woman who sell themsleves to feed their kids, its unlawfull of course, but they are destitute and need the money. Some work for pimps, (the true scum), some are runaways that were starving in the street and picked up the habit to stay alive. There are also professionals who make a fortune with this act.
No matter how you slice it,it will never stop.

Its a hard call, though I have a gut feeling, if prostitues were picked up and given a choice, register, report for health exams, etc, it may make for at least a cleaner form of sexual activity, and perhaps provide protection of these girls from the pimps.

Fill the jails with the true pimps in the white house.

Thats the other side of the coin.

Gay rape, it was tried on me when I spent a few days in jail for drunk and disorderly after I came back from nam.  I was arrested in Florida, but hailed from Boston.
The guards kept handcuffs on me, I guess they didn't like notherners, I was too hungover to ask.. I was in a bull pen with 16 guys, I had left the group to use the can, and I heard an older fella, tell the guys he was going to F**k that guy.
I waited for him and used the chain between the cuffs around his neck, the guards showed up and I was banged in the head with their clubs to let this man go or perhaps he would have strangled.

Any rapist, be it a gay bull raper, or a rapist of woman  should be interned. A rapist of children should meet his demise = death. Those who sell human beings for sex slaves should too meet their demise o= death preferably.

But to send woman to jail who have fallen into the world of prositution is what, moral judgment and and a non taxable income, therfor it appeals to the moral majority of course, and the state not getting their taxes may have a bit to do with it...

I don't know the limits imposed on this new bill, however it may just be an improvment over the existing situation.

Ever live in a glass house. A man long ago told a bunch of finatical egomaniacs, as he was scribling in the sand, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

The only criminals I see getting away with everything under the sun, are those on the top.

Sodom and Gamorha are old testiment, and I have never fully understood how the Angels pulled that one off. The lost sheep did not apply I suppose.
Nor do I understand why God wanted the first born son sacrificed to him, as was the custom at the time, and you can be certain many first borns were split open for God during this period of time as their religion dictated, or was it God that insisted upon this sacrifice.
Does this remind anyone of an Owl and a sacrifice. Somehow, it does to me.

[HiQConsoul]

Oh no! The bible + timemachine = zomg panix!


sorry for the sarcasm.. Im in a pissy mood lol... Imma stop posting and find something else to do...

[Brocke]

Legalization just means "licensing". The State will make money. Making it legal will not increase the customer base. I live in Melbourne, Australia where brothels are legal but street prostitution is illegal. One block from my house is a corner used by "independent" prostitutes to solicit business. All of this activity is drug related (heroin and meth amphetamine). The police are always around and very rarely interfere. The men I see "cruising" for prostitutes are mostly tradesmen in their work vans and family men their SUVs. You can see them driving up and down with baby seats in the back of their vehicles.

Making it legal or illegal doesn't change anything. People are still the same.

[birgit]

Men who pay for sex get validation thru their best friend only...

[TimeLady]

so where exactly in the Bible does it say that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for being cities full of gayness?

It says later on in the Bible that they were destroyed because the rich refused to help the poor of those cities. Which is it?

[changedname]

I read the article, it did not mention gay rape,  I'll take your word for it.

Prostitution is the oldest known profession. Try and stop it, send them to jail, or whatever, it will not stop, nor has it ever since the dawn of time.

I don't use woman that way, just don't want to thats all. Some guys have needs and can't get releif, there will allways be and allways has been.
 Though it has been controlled by thugs and pimps, the seedy and deadly side of life.

Facing the facts is not easy, judging is.
I know woman who sell themsleves to feed their kids, its unlawfull of course, but they are destitute and need the money. Some work for pimps, (the true scum), some are runaways that were starving in the street and picked up the habit to stay alive. There are also professionals who make a fortune with this act.
No matter how you slice it,it will never stop.

Its a hard call, though I have a gut feeling, if prostitues were picked up and given a choice, register, report for health exams, etc, it may make for at least a cleaner form of sexual activity, and perhaps provide protection of these girls from the pimps.

Fill the jails with the true pimps in the white house.

Thats the other side of the coin.

Gay rape, it was tried on me when I spent a few days in jail for drunk and disorderly after I came back from nam.  I was arrested in Florida, but hailed from Boston.
The guards kept handcuffs on me, I guess they didn't like notherners, I was too hungover to ask.. I was in a bull pen with 16 guys, I had left the group to use the can, and I heard an older fella, tell the guys he was going to F**k that guy.
I waited for him and used the chain between the cuffs around his neck, the guards showed up and I was banged in the head with their clubs to let this man go or perhaps he would have strangled.

Any rapist, be it a gay bull raper, or a rapist of woman  should be interned. A rapist of children should meet his demise = death. Those who sell human beings for sex slaves should too meet their demise o= death preferably.

But to send woman to jail who have fallen into the world of prositution is what, moral judgment and and a non taxable income, therfor it appeals to the moral majority of course, and the state not getting their taxes may have a bit to do with it...

I don't know the limits imposed on this new bill, however it may just be an improvment over the existing situation.

Ever live in a glass house. A man long ago told a bunch of finatical egomaniacs, as he was scribling in the sand, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

The only criminals I see getting away with everything under the sun, are those on the top.

Sodom and Gamorha are old testiment, and I have never fully understood how the Angels pulled that one off. The lost sheep did not apply I suppose.
Nor do I understand why God wanted the first born son sacrificed to him, as was the custom at the time, and you can be certain many first borns were split open for God during this period of time as their religion dictated, or was it God that insisted upon this sacrifice.
Does this remind anyone of an Owl and a sacrifice. Somehow, it does to me.

You brought many valid points in this post and like you I have often wondered about these stories in the old testament and also how it spoke of the men having concubines..That's basically the same as a prostitute is it not? Yet, we later go to a new testiment then things tend to change a bit there but why the change? Why are things now a sin that was not sinful previously but were (as it seem's to be by reading the old testament) accetable in those times? Why do we now believe those things to be evil yet accept it so easily when we read of it in the old testiment? Geez...I guess I could go on and on asking why when it comes to this topic but I have never really heard an acceptable answer ( not for me that is) to these things.. I remember having lots of questions of things related to the bible as a youngster but instead of an answer I would get this.."Your not supposed to ask those questions" Well that shut me up but it never did stop me from wondering why it was that I could not ask the questions! I guess I was not supposed to ask because they had no answers??

[hyperqube]

so where exactly in the Bible does it say that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for being cities full of gayness?

It says later on in the Bible that they were destroyed because the rich refused to help the poor of those cities. Which is it?

you're right, it doesn't.  it's just so easy for hyprocrites to blame the gays for what's going TO HAPPEN. 

[GentlemanVillain]

so where exactly in the Bible does it say that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for being cities full of gayness?

It says later on in the Bible that they were destroyed because the rich refused to help the poor of those cities. Which is it?

Homosexuality was a symptom of the sinfulness of Sodom. Homosexual rape gangs don't run rampant in a city until ALL moral values of the population have been lost. It was simply the "final straw that broke the camels back"

The same thing is happening in San Francisco. Each year that goes by, the city continues to devolve into something resembling Sodom. It's not there yet, but it will be soon

[GentlemanVillain]

Oh no! The bible + timemachine = zomg panix!


sorry for the sarcasm.. Im in a pissy mood lol... Imma stop posting and find something else to do...

Only a moral people can be a free people. An immoral people will always be ruled by tyrants.

The founding fathers understood this concept. Read Thomas Paine's "Common Sense"

And BTW - I'm not impressed with all the Christian bashing on these boards. Most of the people doing it are only repeating NWO anti-Christian propaganda that they've been exposed to in public schools, universities, and media. It's just a sign of a person that is not yet in control of his/her own thoughts...and is dumb enough to repeat the propaganda of the NWO enemy.

Without Christianity...ya'll are just a bunch of juvenile anarchists that can never beat the NWO. How can you possibly fight the NWO when you spout their own anti-Christian propaganda?

[GentlemanVillain]

Legalization just means "licensing". The State will make money. Making it legal will not increase the customer base. I live in Melbourne, Australia where brothels are legal but street prostitution is illegal. One block from my house is a corner used by "independent" prostitutes to solicit business. All of this activity is drug related (heroin and meth amphetamine). The police are always around and very rarely interfere. The men I see "cruising" for prostitutes are mostly tradesmen in their work vans and family men their SUVs. You can see them driving up and down with baby seats in the back of their vehicles.

"licensing" is a sign of a police state. "Papers please!"

The state should not be controlling and regulating businesses. Try not to confuse vice with liberty. The ability to engage in immoral acts is not a sign of freedom if it must be "licensed" through the state. If actions first have to be approved by a stated and "licensed" then you are a subject of the state. Your are free to do whatever the state allows you to do...

That is not freedom.

Making it legal or illegal doesn't change anything. People are still the same.

yeah, I agree with that...I actually think prostitution should be legal.

[hyperqube]

Homosexuality was a symptom of the sinfulness of Sodom. Homosexual rape gangs don't run rampant in a city until ALL moral values of the population have been lost. It was simply the "final straw that broke the camels back"

The same thing is happening in San Francisco. Each year that goes by, the city continues to devolve into something resembling Sodom. It's not there yet, but it will be soon

homosexual rape gangs. ridiculous.  Jesus never once mentioned a word against gays.

[Brocke]

homosexual rape gangs. ridiculous.  Jesus never once mentioned a word against gays.

Old Testament - Genesis 19

[scary]

More trash in a city of Trash.

[TruthHunter]

homosexual rape gangs. ridiculous.  Jesus never once mentioned a word against gays.

Genesis 19

 1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

 2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

 3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

 4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

 5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

 6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

 7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

 8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

 10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

 11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

 12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

 13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

It certainly sounds like they intended to rape the two angels to me. They were even offered Lot's virgin daughters and they refused, preferring the two men instead.

[TruthHunter]

homosexual rape gangs. ridiculous.  Jesus never once mentioned a word against gays.

Check this out

1 Corinthians 6

9have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,

 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit.

New Testament condemnation. 

[GentlemanVillain]

homosexual rape gangs. ridiculous.  Jesus never once mentioned a word against gays.

Here's the cliffs notes version:

In Genesis.....Two angels of the Lord visited Lot, in Sodom, and a homosexual rape squad attempted to fudge pack the angels. Lot offered his daughters to the gang, but the crowd of homos wanted man meat instead

[winstonsmith]

I'm not impressed with all the Christian bashing on these boards.

  Says he in the gay bashing thread.

Most of the people doing it are only repeating NWO anti-Christian propaganda

Yep, go ahead and condemn the PPTV paying members who give to money bombs, yet don't adhere to Phelpsian doctrine.

[point]

so where exactly in the Bible does it say that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for being cities full of gayness?

It says later on in the Bible that they were destroyed because the rich refused to help the poor of those cities. Which is it?

The story is that God sent 2 angels, one looked like an older man the other a younger man.  The men were in the city when a gang of 'homosexual males' demanded that Lot give up the 2 men so they can have sex with them, particularly the boy.  Lot insisted the men take his daughters instead. Of course, the whole reason the angels were sent were to warn Lot and his family that S & G will be destroyed.  S & G was riddled with fornication, homosexuals and pagans, a lot like today.  (Gen 19)

Romans 1:26-27 - " 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

[Truth Warrior]

How do I get Friday's podcast to the Alex Jones show?

[TimeLady]

some father Lot is.

and if these were angels of Jehovah, they would have been able to fight off the rapers, easily.

[point]

some father Lot is.

and if these were angels of Jehovah, they would have been able to fight off the rapers, easily.

Lot was trying to save the selfish and self-centered men by offering his virgin daughters to the men in place of the angels.  Lot was the ONLY father at the time God found pleasing, thats why He sent angels to save him and his family.  Yes, you are right the angels could have done alot.  One angel took a whole army out overnight, but God wasnt just ready to pass judgment on the city of S & G.  The angels obviously were a test to the rulers of the city for them to see their evilness.  Too bad for his wife who was still in the heart of the city and who could bear the thought of letting go of her own selfishness.

Thank God He doesnt think like humans do.  Try re-reading that and think of todays time.

[Boubear]

some father Lot is.

and if these were angels of Jehovah, they would have been able to fight off the rapers, easily.

The angels did stop them:

Genesis 19:11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

[TimeLady]

Lot was trying to save the selfish and self-centered men by offering his virgin daughters to the men in place of the angels.  Lot was the ONLY father at the time God found pleasing, thats why He sent angels to save him and his family.  Yes, you are right the angels could have done alot.  One angel took a whole army out overnight, but God wasnt just ready to pass judgment on the city of S & G.  The angels obviously were a test to the rulers of the city for them to see their evilness.  Too bad for his wife who was still in the heart of the city and who could bear the thought of letting go of her own selfishness.

Thank God He doesnt think like humans do.  Try re-reading that and think of todays time.

yes, the Jehovah of the Bible is clearly a psychotic sociopath who likes to f**k with people for the lulz.

[point]

http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm

Ppl think God as some soft little cuddly teddy bear, which He is in His love.  However, the Bible is a showcase of God not being pleased with man and his ways.  Histories are key, they unlock the future.

Say what you want, its on you.  If thats all you get from reading the Bible then thats all its worth to you.  I would much rather serve Him than man.  He asks for 10% of your money, man wants it all.  Also get your facts straight, God doesnt think or act like you do and He never has to explain Himself.  The Bible was an attempt to give us feeble minded mankind a chance in trying to wrap our mind around Him.  The Sword He bears is for those who attempt to defile His true name.  This is so much bigger than you or I, so much more than this interweb can handle.

[TimeLady]

http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm

Ppl think God as some soft little cuddly teddy bear, which He is in His love.  However, the Bible is a showcase of God not being pleased with man and his ways.  Histories are key, they unlock the future.

Say what you want, its on you.  If thats all you get from reading the Bible then thats all its worth to you.  I would much rather serve Him than man.  He asks for 10% of your money, man wants it all.  Also get your facts straight, God doesnt think or act like you do and He never has to explain Himself.  The Bible was an attempt to give us feeble minded mankind a chance in trying to wrap our mind around Him.  The Sword He bears is for those who attempt to defile His true name.  This is so much bigger than you or I, so much more than this interweb can handle.

If he created the universe, then he doesn't need any money.

And, also, yeah he damn well better explain himself if he's going to try to kill us all again with floods, fires, and famines, and then say, "Hay guys if you don't know about my son you're going to hell," even after billions die without hearing about him.

[hyperqube]

Romans 1:26-27 - " 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

that is paul speaking.  show me where jesus speaks on the matter of gays.

[Dok]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


 Jhn 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God.


 Jhn 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


 Jhn 1:4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.


 Jhn 1:5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[point]

He never says that.  Go study first then come back and argue 'what God is'.  And btw, no He never needs money in fact He teaches you how to gain true wealth.  Tithe is about a 'thank you' for what you do have.  I can have peace walking in the middle of Hell because I do know Him.  He calls it a 'great and terrible day' that we are in.  Terrible has many meanings, to some it means panic and freak out while others it means a view to see.

If you havent noticed, this is all about knowledge and information.  NWO wars on the ignorant and God says 'my people suffer due to lack of knowledge'.  NWO plans to kill everyone other than themselves or Nazi-basis, this is a common devil referred to as Legion or 'many', the Bible talks about Legion and what happened when it was exposed.  It begged God to enter pigs and the pigs committed mass suicide.  So as you sit in your comfy chair reading and judging this know that when you are allowed to start seeing the Truth for what it is, you cant deny parts of it because you may not like it.  That was the hardest thing for me to see.  I dont like the fact that Nephilim (Illuminati) are still around but knowing what and where they come from does give me peace.

Have a great day.

[TruthHunter]

"some father Lot is.

and if these were angels of Jehovah, they would have been able to fight off the rapers, easily

If he created the universe, then he doesn't need any money.

And, also, yeah he damn well better explain himself if he's going to try to kill us all again with floods, fires, and famines, and then say, "Hay guys if you don't know about my son you're going to hell," even after billions die without hearing about him."



You are SO missing the point. Lot offered his virgin daughters to show just how depraved they were. Normal, heterosexual males do not turn down an offering of virgin females in preference to male flesh.

yes, the angels could have (and did!) fight off the attackers. They struck them blind.

Yes, God created the universe, and no, God does not need money for himself, but God also understands that money facilitates trade in goods and services among men so it is required that good men should provide that money in order to provide for those who have less. Could God use his own power to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and cure the sick? Of course, but then he has nothing with which to prove the faith of his followers.

Better damn well explain himself? Who are you to demand an explanation from God for anything? If an explanation is to be demanded of anyone, it will be from you on the last day. If you read the Bible at all, you would have the answer to your accusation of God condemning people for not knowing about Jesus. In Revelations, the dead will rise from the grave and then they will be made to know Jesus. Some will attempt to continue on in their ways and those will be the ones condemned. Nobody who has already died has been condemned yet. That will not happen until the tribulations begin and Jesus reveals himself to all who have ever lived.

[TruthHunter]

that is paul speaking.  show me where jesus speaks on the matter of gays.

When Jesus says he is come not to abolish the law but to fulfill, he is telling us here that the law is no longer something written in a book or on parchment. He is the living embodiment of the law. The law of Moses condemns homosexuality and as the living embodiment of the law, Jesus also condemns it. He does not need to speak a single word about it.

[GentlemanVillain]

Says he in the gay bashing thread.

Gays bash themselves by sticking their dick where it's not supposed to be

Yep, go ahead and condemn the PPTV paying members who give to money bombs, yet don't adhere to Phelpsian doctrine.

I give to money bombs.

Ya know what...conversation over...I've had it with the Christ-hating scum around here

Alex, know them by their fruits. You are courting athiests and anarchists at the expense of Christian patriots. This country was founded by Christians....it can only be preserved and saved by Christians....we don't have time for this "be nice to the athiests and sodomites so they don't get their feelings hurt" bullshit anymore

[Dok]

Court says 'gay' rights trump Christian rights

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69881

[Boubear]

See this is why I think they are trying to get all people against one another.  No one group or one race should have privilege laws only for them.  No one group should be above any other.  We all have laws, and all laws should be for everyone!!!

[Dok]

That's right, we live in a country where the majority is supposed to rule.

[ronaldomoon]

What if Christianity is the "NWO/Elite/Illuminati/Nephilim" conspiracy against Christ and his teachings? Ever think of that? They do control everything, you know...

I don't know why I'm even bothering to say this, though. No one ever seems to want to respond to this idea. Plus, it does us no good to be arguing about these kinds of things. Discussion is one thing, but all this ever seems to bring is argument and division. Why can't we just worry about our own spirituality and fight against the physical aspects of the NWO? Let's worry about taking down the Federal Reserve, getting rid of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, etc. Let's get rid of all of their negative influence and perhaps the real truth regarding religion will surface. I don't think we'll ever really know the truth until we get rid of those who wish to keep it from us.

We are never going to get anywhere when we are fighting over beliefs. You can believe anything you want, but let's worry about taking care of things we know about. You may think that you are 100% correct when it comes to issues of spirituality, but that is faith not fact. I'm not saying that you should be "in the closest" in regards to spirituality...just stop fighting about it - please.

[Div]

This country was founded by Christians....it can only be preserved and saved by Christians

lol


america isnt supposed to be a christian promised land, its an equal opportunity employer. and if this was a christian nation at its roots why are there tons of pagan statues in washington DC?


i think its time christians except they are just one group among many, and your holy book do not give you the right to judge others or tell others how to live.

[φυδγε]

I can tell that no one in this thread has any grasp of ancient sexuality.  Most want to read the Bible with the intent of hating people, so they read this junk into the Greek.  The ancients did not know about a lifestyle called homosexuality nor heterosexuality.  These are modern day terms.  For more information read Sir Kenneth Dover (1978) Greek Homosexuality and Michel Foucault (1984) The History of Sexuality.  Sorry no internet links for a topic this complex.

As to the Bible quotes, let's unpack it a little.

[9]  ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι θεοῦ βασιλείαν οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν; Μὴ πλανᾶσθε: οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ  [10] οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται οὔτε κλέπται οὔτε πλεονέκται, οὐ μέθυσοι, οὐ λοίδοροι, οὐχ ἅρπαγες βασιλείαν θεοῦ κληρονομήσουσιν.

μαλακοὶ does not mean male prostitute, although it can be a characteristic of a male prostitute.  The word means "soft" and when applied to a man, it means effeminate. 

Ancient sexuality was mainly a man's world and it is divided into two classes - the active (always a male, embarrassing if a woman) and the passive (which could be a woman, girl, man, or boy).  The active partner penetrates and the passive partner receives.  For the ancients, gender hardly made a difference unless a male was passive and stayed passive then he'd receive the title "soft" and he would most likely be a prostitute or someone outside of the norms of society (Roman Emperors excluded).

In the ancient world, men may bugger other men to show power, dominance, to humiliate another, or for the fun of it.

ἀρσενοκοῖται means simply man laying with man and the ancients allowed this type of behavior.  If the man stayed this way or was always the receiver than he would be socially stigmatized. 

Again, ancient men always have the choice to penetrate anything they want.  The receiver is the one who receives the title "passive" "soft" and "effeminate".

As to Sodom and Gamorha, I always read the story to mean that it was bad for men to bugger anyone for power and humiliation.  They wanted to bugger men because it was the most damage they could do (like how it goes down in prison, a show of force).

So homosexuality as you think it is today, never was in the ancient world.

Obviously these passages discourage a certain type of behavior, but the behavior is not man loving man, but man buggering man.  Homosexuality is more about men loving men always and not switching to other objects of love, i.e. it is a lifestyle.

Finally for those looking for the Christian ONLY patriot movement, don't let the internet forum door bugger you as you leave!!!!!

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I dont think anyone is looking for the Christian ONLY patriot movement, I think people have questions about what is believed.  I dont care one bit if your gay or not, I am not the one you have to answer too.  Thats the gift of free will.  Its real simple actually God told them not to do it, they did it anyway.  Its not like He never warned them or tried to prepare them.  They kept on trying to justify evil for truth, then what happened?

So now we are in the same boat, insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.  All the while people are trying to talk themselves into what they want to believe.  O, its ok to destroy the world for our common Nazi dream.  O, sure go ahead and infect the babies so they cant develop correctly because we want slaves.  Yeh, keep putting drugs in the communities so they kill each other.  I mean its all for the common good, RIGHT?

Dont kid yourselves, the same lies told to Christians are the same lies told all in history.  I mean thats why we are all here isnt it?