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CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FOX, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« on: September 06, 2007, 09:32:24 am »
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e4a_1189066259

whats that old saying? you can cook a frog slowly so it cant jump out of the pot?

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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 10:31:38 am »
Wolf acts so naive and the other guy seems to be giddy with the news out of the cookie jar.  Hello, we know they are going to attack Iran.  Thats what they do these days,


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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 09:24:56 pm »
Subject: FW: B52 accidently carrying nukes. Aboslutely IMPOSSIBLE.

please read below...my suggestion is we need to mobilize a group of veterans and other citizens around Barksley to protest and demand a full investigation
urgently. nothing is more important
who do  you know that can contact veterans or people in or around Texas that are concerned citizens?

think about it... I knew that there was going to be something happening yesterday because of what I have read here on Prison Planet and also because it was a "23" day. I dont believe in such crap.But the bastards who perpetrate such horrendous actions... they DO! So yesterday was 9+5+2+7=23.
So what happened? Nothing much. Just a bomber flew over the US with live nukes. Otherwise it was a normal day.

Remember that at the first GOP debate, candidates were asked what they thought was the worst moral crisis in America right now and Ron Paul said that it was that the neo-cons on the stage with him were keeping the option of nuclear strike against Iran on the table!

Now based on what follows there are two possible explanations as to what occured yesterday.. the official story that it was somehow an accident or mistake which is impossible.
Or the real explanation... that it was the first mobilization of nuclear arms against Iran!

Now what happens if we get veterans, Granny Warriors, other concerned citizens, Cindy Sheehan and whoever else out there to protest around Barksley, demanding to know what the f**k is going on?
We may just shed some light where it might blow the lid off of some horrendous plans that could go very mainstream very big and their plans could crumble!

Alex Jones is in Texas! Let's get out there and do something effective. What's the other choice?

here is the rest of the info sent to me by a friend of mine who I have not gotten clearance from to use his name...
 
 
As a former Security Specialist in the United States Air Force.  I was trained to gaurd Nuclear weapons and other nuclear components.  After I read the article about the B52 loaded with 6 nuclear warheads and no one knew until it landed has made me very suspicious.  Based on my experience and training and understanding security procedures relating to these high priority resources.  Without going into things I can't talk about due to the classified nature of security requirements for priority military resources I will only say this.
 
THE INCIDENT IN QUESTION IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE OCCURED.  THERE ARE SO MANY LAYERS OF SECURITY THERE IS JUST NO WAY THAT KNOW ONE KNEW NUKES WERE NOT ON BOARD THAT AIRCRAF.  SOME OF YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW THIS AS IT WAS REPORTED ON PRISONPLANET.COM, THAT BARKSDALE AIR FORCE BASE IS PART OF THE AIR MOBILITY COMMAND AND IS A LAUNCHING POINT FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.  SO CONSIDERING THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THIS INCIDENT TO OCCUR WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, ONE MUST ASK, WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?  IS THE MILITARY PLANNING ON CONDUCTING OPERATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS?  AND IF SO, DID SOMEONE WHO WAS PRIVY OF THIS INFORMATION TIP US OFF TO THE FACT CAUSING IT BE EXPOSED?  NOT TO BE AN ALARMEST BUT THIS POSSIBILITY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 08:59:23 am »
thegarkoblog,

Thanks for the info. Most people know somebody, somewhere, that is in the position to confirm or dispute pretty much anything. Your source could be real valuable, but we need more than just a post that you typed. See if you can get something from your contact that can lend solid credibility.

We all know this story is not something to overlook, however, there are more than enough persons out there that get a kick out of posting stuff to make them selves look cool. Current affairs are WAY TOO IMPORTANT to have people saying stuff that can't be verified. All that does is make our efforts look real bad, and no one will take us serious.

From my past military days, I know for a fact that EVERY action has policy and proceedures that are in a manual somewhere, and each has it's own unique DD (Department of Defense)/AF form number assigned to it. This is how the military keeps track of everything!

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/formsprogram.htm
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/forms-pubs/

Have your source provide their MOS/Job Title, and related AF proceedures on weapons handling type stuff.

For example:

http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/AFI11-2B-52V3.pdf
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 09:49:55 am »
first off, if i am wrong and my source is wrong, it does not make us look less credible because my purpose is to get answered what should be on the lips of every citizen of the world right now in relation to this incident...
wtf?
and if the military can provide a plausible answer that is different then ok.
but if they can't then think about what we are possibly preventing here and how exposed the military could be if we can't get a plausible answer from them.
so nothing to lose, everything to gain.
by the way, here is the credentials of the guy that Alex got his story from...
Biography
Larry C. Johnson is the Managing Partner and founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm based in Washington, D.C. BERG that specializes in counter terrorism and money laundering investigations. Prior to forming BERG, Mr. Johnson worked with the Central Intelligence Agency (1985-1989) and the Department of State's Office of the Coordinator for Counter Terrorsim (1989-1993).
Since 1994 Mr. Johnson has helped script terrorism exercises for the U.S. military forces that have the counter terrorism mission.

Mr. Johnson also has served as an instructor for the U.S. State Department's Anti-Terrorism Training Program, where he has lectured on Current Terrorist Threats and Trends and on International Accords for Combating Terrorism to officials from more than 45 countries. Mr. Johnson has directed or participated in the forensic audits of banks and casinos Latin America, tested procedures and systems for detecting and preventing money laundering, and directed the forensic audit of a multi-million dollar business suspected of money laundering in the Colon Free Zone of Panama.

Mr. Johnson manages and directs BERG Associates investigations of international fraud and product counterfeiting, which has resulted in the confiscation of products worth one million dollars, fines totaling $500,000, and criminal penalties for the offenders.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 09:59:08 am »
In response to Saddam Hussein's attacks against Kurds in northern Iraq, the US military -- spearheaded by B-52Hs from the 2nd Bomb Wing -- conducted a missile attack against military targets in southern Iraq on 03 September 1996. Operation Desert Strike opened on 31 August as a quick response to Iraqi military activity against Kurdish safe havens as four B-52Hs from Barksdale's 2nd Bomb Wing deployed on a 16-hour mission bound for Guam, half-way across the Pacific. Less than a day after their arrival in Guam, two B-52s, loaded with CALCMs [Conventional Air-launched Cruise Missile], launched for the Persian Gulf. The bombers from the 2nd Bomb Wing flew more than 14,300 miles across the United States and the Asia/Pacific region before launching 13 conventional air launched cruise missiles at Iraqi targets. The B-52s began their attack from Pacific Air Forces's Andersen AFB, Guam. The distance involved - more than 13,600 miles from Andersen to the launch point and back - made air refueling essential during the 34-hour operation. Air Mobility Command [AMC] KC-10s from Travis AFB, Calif., and McGuire AFB, N.J.; six AMC KC-135s from Fairchild AFB, Wash.; and eight PACAF KC-135s from Kadena Air Base, Japan, supported the aerial refueling.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2007, 04:45:24 pm »
I concur totally with the above posts.The people need to moblize and demand a full investigation ASAP.Obviously they are moving nukes in place for something...something probably involving nukes (duh).6 of them thats quite alot.Of course it was known the warheads were on the plane,it was definetly NOT no accident.I guess somehow the wrong (or right) people learned about it and were able to go public with the knowledge,god bless them.However the question remains,why the hell are they moving nukes at all.Do they plan to use them perhaps? That would be my guess....altho i could be,and hope i am, wrong.


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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 09:44:21 pm »
Let us hope you are wrong.  I also am ex military, and have assisted in the handling of conventional weapons.  I have also been in place to see the handling of nuclear missiles.  Trident missiles to be exact.  The layers upon layers of protocol in place, if for no more than because of the monetary value of the weapon, is ridiculous.  What probably happened is Someone on the inside moved or switched the live nuke with the disabled nuke missiles and when the checks where being done on the redundancy layers for accountability, some lonely E-1 or E-2 noticed something was amiss and sounded the whistle.

This allowed the military to cry mistake and start pointing fingers.  If the military found out that it had actually accidentally moved nukes without proper authorization, they would have dealt with it internally and not let it get to the public.  The egg on their faces is to great.  Now the public doesn't trust them to handle the weapons.

Or maybe that is what they want.  So they can say that one will come up missing one day and then oops.

We will see.

I know what I know. 

This is BS
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2007, 06:42:19 am »
Reading the comments on this thread, all of the knowledge of protocol and so on, this does not look like a mistake. It looks rather like an intelligence signal. Psyopts perhaps?

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2007, 11:29:23 pm »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html



WASHINGTON —  A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.

Germany — a pivotal player among three European nations to rein in Iran's nuclear program over the last two-and-a-half years through a mixture of diplomacy and sanctions supported by the United States — notified its allies last week that the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel refuses to support the imposition of any further sanctions against Iran that could be imposed by the U.N. Security Council.

The announcement was made at a meeting in Berlin that brought German officials together with Iran desk officers from the five member states of the Security Council. It stunned the room, according to one of several Bush administration and foreign government sources who spoke to FOX News, and left most Bush administration principals concluding that sanctions are dead.

The Germans voiced concern about the damaging effects any further sanctions on Iran would have on the German economy — and also, according to diplomats from other countries, gave the distinct impression that they would privately welcome, while publicly protesting, an American bombing campaign against Iran's nuclear facilities.

Germany's withdrawal from the allied diplomatic offensive is the latest consensus across relevant U.S. agencies and offices, including the State Department, the National Security Council and the offices of the president and vice president. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, the most ardent proponent of a diplomatic resolution to the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions, has had his chance on the Iranian account and come up empty.

Political and military officers, as well as weapons of mass destruction specialists at the State Department, are now advising Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the diplomatic approach favored by Burns has failed and the administration must actively prepare for military intervention of some kind. Among those advising Rice along these lines are John Rood, the assistant secretary for the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation; and a number of Mideast experts, including Ambassador James Jeffrey, deputy White House national security adviser under Stephen Hadley and formerly the principal deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern affairs.

Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.

Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.

The Bush administration "has just about had it with Iran," said one foreign diplomat. "They tried the diplomatic process. China is now obstructing them at the U.N. Security Council and the Russians are tucking themselves behind them.

"The Germans are wobbling …There are a number of people in the administration who do not want their legacy to be leaving behind an Iran that is nuclear armed, so they are looking at what are the alternatives? They are looking at other options," the diplomat said.

Vice President Cheney and his aides are said to be enjoying a bit of "schadenfreude" at the expense of Burns. A source described Cheney's office as effectively gloating to Burns and Rice, "We told you so. (The Iranians) are not containable diplomatically."

The next shoe to drop will be when Rice and President Bush make a final decision about whether to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and/or its lethal subset, the Quds Force, as a terrorist entity or entities. FOX News reported in June that such a move is under consideration.

Sources say news leaks about the prospective designation greatly worried European governments and private sector firms, which could theoretically face prosecution in American courts if such measures became law and these entities continued to do business with IRGC and its multiple financial subsidiaries.

If the Bush administration moves forward with such a designation, sources said, it would be an indication that Rice agrees that Burns' approach has failed. Designation of such a large Iranian military institution as a terrorist entity would also be seen, sources said, as laying the groundwork for a public justification of American military action.

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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 12:36:48 am »
This is the same ploy used to destroy Iraq. It is getting old. They have been planing the attack on Iran for awhile now but nukes have nothing to do with it but it sells to idiots.Remember the WMD's. They war in Irag is over, the place is destroyed but the neocons need an excuse to stay so hey the war is not over but we will win someday. A surge here, less attacks there, dam it's getting old. If you believe this after Bushwacker said the war on terrorism would last 100 years.

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 02:49:52 am »
So I suppose the next move is to designate the Germans as 'cowards" like we did the French in the upswing to Iraq? That should be an interesting 'sell'.
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2007, 07:47:50 am »
Very clerpoint of view !

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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2007, 02:42:38 pm »
lol they used the exact title of this thread for the header of the article on the sites

http://infowars.com/articles/ww3/iran_us_officials_begin_crafting_iran_bombing_plan.htm

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2007, 05:20:22 pm »
Sane- You know it is coming, we have to have a European fall guy.  To say, "If only the (insert country) would listen to reason, we would be able to form a consensus and thus accomplish ...."  you get the idea.

You would think that they would have learned from their mistakes and modify the plan, but obviously they don't see it as a mistake and therefore, feel that this is a good plan.

If we invade Iran...Pakistan is going to erupt into a civil war and the crap is going to hit the fan, mark my words.
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2007, 05:54:52 pm »
Sane- You know it is coming, we have to have a European fall guy.  To say, "If only the (insert country) would listen to reason, we would be able to form a consensus and thus accomplish ...."  you get the idea.

You would think that they would have learned from their mistakes and modify the plan, but obviously they don't see it as a mistake and therefore, feel that this is a good plan.

If we invade Iran...Pakistan is going to erupt into a civil war and the crap is going to hit the fan, mark my words.

If we invade Iran...

THIS COUNTRY WILL ERUPT IN CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2007, 11:31:45 pm »
I love the false dichotomy being presented on all MSM because Germany has backed out of sanctions we now only have 2 choices, an oil embargo or military strikes.

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2007, 04:31:09 am »
And remember the China card. Late last year the US signaled China that the US might bomb Iran's oil lines if China began dumping US currency....

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2007, 07:39:23 am »
any one willing to step forward and signal us to the meaning? Care about Liberty? Care to be a giraffe?

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2007, 08:07:18 am »
Read the article and also have a look at the top quality comments:



http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/12/3803/


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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2007, 08:56:48 am »
Fox analyst: Germany's actions leave us 'no choice' but to bomb Iran David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Wednesday September 12, 2007
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Fox_US_makes_Iran_bombing_plan_0912.html

According to Fox News, advisers are telling the White House that diplomacy has failed to stop Iran's nuclear program, and as a result officials are making plans to attack Iran as early as next summer.

"A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime," Fox reported on Tuesday.

Lt. Gen. (ret.) Thomas McInerney told Fox, "Since Germany has backed out of helping economically, we do not have any other choice. ... They've forced us into the military option."

"I think the option should initially be tit-for-tat," McInerney went on. "For every explosively formed projectile from Iran that goes off in Iraq, two go off in Iran, no questions asked."

"The one I favor the most, of course, is an air campaign," he continued. "Forty-eight hours duration, hitting 2500 aimed points to take out their nuclear facilities, their air defense facilities, their air force, their navy, their Shahab-3 retaliatory missiles, and finally their command and control. And then let the Iranian people take their country back." McInerney described such a bombing campaign as "easy" and spoke enthusiastically of the weaponry involved, including "a new massive ordnance penetrator that's 30,000 pounds, that really penetrates ... Ahmadinejad has nothing in Iran that we can't penetrate." Although introduced by Fox merely as a military analyst, McInerney has been prominent for several years as an advocate of war against Iran and chairs the advisory council of the hardline Iran Policy Committee, known for its backing of the anti-Iranian terrorist group, MEK. McInerney was quoted in February 2005 as saying, "[Bush] doesn't have any choice. "He understands [the Iranians] are the king of terror right now. They are striving for nuclear weapons that can get into the hands of terrorists, and then it's too late."
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Excerpts from Fox article:
Germany — a pivotal player among three European nations to rein in Iran's nuclear program over the last two-and-a-half years through a mixture of diplomacy and sanctions supported by the United States — notified its allies last week that the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel refuses to support the imposition of any further sanctions against Iran that could be imposed by the U.N. Security Council. Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.
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FULL ARTICLE AT THIS LINK

The following video is from Fox's America's Newsroom, broadcast on September 12.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296450,00.html
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2007, 08:59:37 am »
Petraeus' Subordinate: Yes, We Are Arming Sunnis
By Spencer Ackerman - September 12, 2007, 2:34 PM
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004169.php

On at least three occasions that I counted during the Petraeus/Crocker hearings, Gen. Petraeus flatly stated that the U.S. is not providing weapons to the Sunni tribal fighters who, over the past year, have turned against al-Qaeda in Iraq. On Monday I noted how the U.S. was giving the tribes money that they used to buy weapons, making Petraeus' assurance precious and legalistic.

But it turns out that earlier this year, U.S. commanders weren't so defensive about the terms of their deal with the tribes. Here's Major General Benjamin Mixon, commander of U.S. troops in northern Iraq, on those terms in June:
[Question] (on camera): Will the assistance or the coordination with these former insurgent groups extend to arming [them] or helping them out in logistics in any sense?

GEN. BENJAMIN MIXON, U.S. REGIONAL COMMANDER IN IRAQ: It certainly will. We have seen this in counterinsurgency operations before, using local nationals, if you will, arming them, forming them into scouts, if you will. And that's the primary role that we want to use them in. They know the territory, they know the enemy.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2007, 11:02:23 am »
anyone else read the abovetopsecret.com article that one of those 6 nukes went missing...
http://www.rense.com/general78/missn.htm

or have verification of that from a source that doesn't also promote every other unprovable missile-ray-beam-alien theory?

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2007, 07:08:16 pm »
Check your news radars for reports over the last few months about Russia flexing it's muscles with military poisturing.

The have been testing weapons and recently claimed it had targetted it's missiles towards the West. The USA's actions pretty much compells the Russians to take a defensive stance. The building of the missile defence system breaks agreed nuclear protocol. Also, I keep reading about the US developing Starship Trooper style mini Nukes.

These are both banned by treaty.

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2007, 12:50:56 am »
Cool, special forces. I know I wouldn't feel antagonised by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard running around in my country. This should be a fun few months........n't.

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Stopping the next war

By Patrick J. Buchanan

09/14/07 "WND" -- --- President Bush has won the Battle of September.

When he turns over the presidency on Jan. 20, 2009, there will likely be as many U.S. troops in Iraq as there were when Congress was elected to bring them home in November 2006.

That is the meaning of Gen. Petraeus' recommendation, adopted by President Bush, that 6,000 U.S. troops be home by Christmas and the surge of 30,000 ended by April. Come November 2008, there will likely still be 130,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

Will this make America safer, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., asked. "I don't know," answered the general. An honest answer. None of us knows.

The general did know, however, that "a premature drawdown of our forces would likely have devastating consequences."

So we are trapped, fighting a war in which "victory" is not assured and perhaps not attainable – to avert a strategic disaster and humanitarian catastrophe should we walk away.

While the posturing of the Democrats, using Petraeus as a foil for their frustration and rage, was appalling, it is understandable. For, as this writer warned the day Baghdad fell, this time, we really "hit the tar baby."

What has the war cost? Going on 3,800 U.S. dead and 28,000 wounded. More than 100,000 Iraqis are dead; 2 million, including most Christians and much of the professional class, have fled. Millions have been ethnically cleansed from neighborhoods where their families had lived for generations.

Once the most advanced country in the Arab world, Iraq has been devastated and is coming apart. Sectarian, civil and tribal war has broken out. Al-Qaida has a presence. And it is a fair prediction that when the Americans depart, they will have fought the longest war in their history, only to have replaced the Sunni dictatorship of Saddam Hussein with a Shia dictatorship aligned with Iran.

Across the region, the situation appears bleak. In Pakistan, al-Qaida has reconstituted itself. Bin Laden is sending out tapes. Gen. Musharraf, who rules a nation of 170 million with atom bombs, is floundering. The Taliban have made a comeback. As our allies have left or are leaving Iraq, including the Brits, so, too, the NATO allies in Afghanistan are wearying of the struggle.

In the United States, the war has taken its toll, as do all no-win wars. With the cost of the two wars closing in on $1 trillion, we are as divided as we were during Korea and Vietnam.

As Truman fell to 23 percent after firing Gen. MacArthur, and was drubbed in New Hampshire, and LBJ broken after Tet and dropped out, Bush has seen his support fall from near 90 percent at "Mission Accomplished" to near 30 percent. Approval of his war leadership is virtually nonexistent.

Gen. Petraeus is trusted; his commander in chief is not.

To the cost of our dead and wounded must be added the near-breaking of the U.S. Army, the estrangement of our allies and the pandemic hatred of America across the Arab world.

As for the "cakewalk" crowd that accused opponents of the war of lacking in patriotism, they never repented of their demagoguery. Despite the pre-invasion propaganda they pumped out about Saddam's awesome weapons and ties to 9/11, or their assurances that U.S. troops would be welcomed with candy and flowers, like Paris in '44, and their prediction that a democracy would arise in Iraq to which Islamic nations would look as a model, they have never been called to account.

Now they are back with a new enemy for America to attack.

This time the target is Tehran – and once again, they have the ear of this most ideological and unreflective of presidents.

Speaking to the American Legion, Bush used rhetoric against Iran equal in bellicosity to anything he used on Iraq before invading.

Iran "is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism." Iran "funds terrorist groups like Hamas. ... Iran is sending arms to the Taliban." Iran's pursuit of nuclear technology threatens to put the Middle East and Gulf "under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust."

As Bush ratchets up the rhetoric, Russia, China and, reportedly, Germany are balking at new U.N. sanctions. That leaves Bush only the military option if he wishes to effect the nuclear castration of Iran. And Gen. Petraeus just provided him the rationale.

"It is increasingly apparent," said Petraeus, "that Iran, through the use of the Quds Force, seeks to turn the Iraqi Special Groups into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq."

Petraeus' charge that Iran is fighting a "proxy war" against America comports with the new War Party propaganda line that we have been at war with Iran since 1979 and Bush needs no authorization from Congress to fight it more aggressively.

Congress gave Bush a blank check for the Iraq war. Any chance Congress will at least insist the administration come to Capitol Hill to make the case for the next war, on Iran, before Bush launches it? Probably not.

Pat Buchanan was twice a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination and the Reform Party’s candidate in 2000. He is also a founder and editor of The American Conservative. Now a political analyst for MSNBC and a syndicated columnist, he served three presidents in the White House, was a founding panelist of three national TV shows, and is the author of seven books


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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2007, 08:48:16 am »
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2007, 08:50:34 am »

Bush setting America up for war with Iran
By Philip Sherwell in New York and Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 3:20am BST 16/09/2007

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Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.    


Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail. Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran. Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action. In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories. A prime target would be the Fajr base run by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds Force in southern Iran, where Western intelligence agencies say armour-piercing projectiles used against British and US troops are manufactured.

Under the theory - which is gaining credence in Washington security circles - US action would provoke a major Iranian response, perhaps in the form of moves to cut off Gulf oil supplies, providing a trigger for air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and even its armed forces. Senior officials believe Mr Bush's inner circle has decided he does not want to leave office without first ensuring that Iran is not capable of developing a nuclear weapon. The intelligence source said: "No one outside that tight circle knows what is going to happen." But he said that within the CIA "many if not most officials believe that diplomacy is failing" and that "top Pentagon brass believes the same".  He said: "A strike will probably follow a gradual escalation. Over the next few weeks and months the US will build tensions and evidence around Iranian activities in Iraq."    
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Previously, accusations that Mr Bush was set on war with Iran have come almost entirely from his critics. Many senior operatives within the CIA are highly critical of Mr Bush's handling of the Iraq war, though they themselves are considered ineffective and unreliable by hardliners close to Mr Cheney. The vice president is said to advocate the use of bunker-busting tactical nuclear weapons against Iran's nuclear sites. His allies dispute this, but Mr Cheney is understood to be lobbying for air strikes if sites can be identified where Revolutionary Guard units are training Shia militias. Recent developments over Iraq appear to fit with the pattern of escalation predicted by Pentagon officials.

Gen David Petraeus, Mr Bush's senior Iraq commander, denounced the Iranian "proxy war" in Iraq last week as he built support in Washington for the US military surge in Baghdad. The US also announced the creation of a new base near the Iraqi border town of Badra, the first of what could be several locations to tackle the smuggling of weapons from Iran. A State Department source familiar with White House discussions said that Miss Rice, under pressure from senior counter-proliferation officials to acknowledge that military action may be necessary, is now working with Mr Cheney to find a way to reconcile their positions and present a united front to the President. The source said: "When you go down there and see the body language, you can see that Cheney is still The Man. Condi pushed for diplomacy but she is no dove. If it becomes necessary she will be on board. 

"Both of them are very close to the president, and where they differ they are working together to find a way to present a position they can both live with." The official contrasted the efforts of the secretary of state to work with the vice-president with the "open warfare between Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld before the Iraq war". Miss Rice's bottom line is that if the administration is to go to war again it must build the case over a period of months and win sufficient support on Capitol Hill. The Sunday Telegraph has been told that Mr Bush has privately promised her that he would consult "meaningfully" with Congressional leaders of both parties before any military action against Iran on the understanding that Miss Rice would resign if this did not happen. The intelligence officer said that the US military has "two major contingency plans" for air strikes on Iran. "One is to bomb only the nuclear facilities. The second option is for a much bigger strike that would - over two or three days - hit all of the significant military sites as well. This plan involves more than 2,000 targets."
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2007, 08:58:46 am »
www.c-span.org

C-SPAN in their morning call in show quoted 10 news articles to let the viewers know that the war is a foregone conclusion.  They followed this by showing various AEI panel discussions discussing how evil Iran is.  One of these discussions included Michael Ledeen talking about his wonderful book, "Iran Time Bomb."  You might remember Ledeen as the one who lied to get us into Iraq.  Well I can tell you one thing, he definitely has a proven track record for swindling the US out of money and lives based on lies and manipulations.

If he is involved, C-SPAN is probably accurate in letting us know this is a foregone conclusion.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2007, 09:04:52 am »
Where on this page is this info?

The word "Iran" was found 0 times searching your link.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2007, 09:13:18 am »
You have to watch the live stream from the link.  C-SPAN1 live stream video/audio.

They spent 30 minutes (at least since i caught it late), now they have a senior RAND analyst talking about Russia.

I think Putin is not pleased with this war plan.

Since the Iraq War was a total disaster to put the money supply connected to the Petro, Cheney has sold the NeoCons another fake bill of goods that Iran is the key to saving the dollar.
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2007, 09:17:20 am »
Time is running out to avert war with Iran
Guardian Unlimited, UK - 14 hours ago
A nuclear-armed Iran would pose a massive threat to global peace and security. It would trigger a deadly arms race drawing in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, ...
Reports: Germany Wavers, US Revives Iran Planning The Gate - National Journal
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/comment/0,,2170383,00.html

Report: US wants war with Iran
Ynetnews, Israel - 3 hours ago
The United States Department of Defense has developed a list of up to 2000 bombing targets in Iran, the Sunday Telegraph reported Sunday. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/1-0&fp=46ed0f9914e80487&ei=-yvtRoauH4rWqQOcvoTfCg&url=http%3A//www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3449757%2C00.html&cid=1120400009

Bush setting America up for war with Iran
Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom - 13 hours ago
Previously, accusations that Mr Bush was set on war with Iran have come almost entirely from his critics. Many senior operatives within the CIA are highly ...
'Pentagon listed 2000 Iranian targets'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/16/wiran116.xml

Iran makes its US opposition clear
Sarasota Herald-Tribune, FL - 46 minutes ago
... unacceptable in a war run by professional soldiers. Iran's overt support and funding of those who behead innocents, use innocents to protect themselves, ...
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20070916/OPINION/709160805/1029

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IRAN PUSHES THE RHETORIC: 'White House anti-Iran attempts failed'
Iranian elites are now clearly working with Cheney and Halliburton in pushing more money to the Military Industrial Complex.  The Iranian administration knows their days are numbered and have worked a deal with Cheney and the neocons (the same connections fromn the 1980s Iran-Contra dealings)...

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Iranian MP Reza Talaei-Nik


An Iranian MP says the White House has failed in using both economic sanctions and the threat of military strike as tools against Iran.

Member of the National Security and Foreign Policy Commission of Majlis, Reza Talaei-Nik, said the vigilance of the Iranian nation and its reliance on the high position of supreme jurisprudence are factors in the Islamic Republic's victory in the face of pressures and conspiracies of the enemies over the past 28 years.

Referring to the statements of the Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei in the Friday prayers sermons, Talaei-Nik said, "The vigilant and united people of Iran support the officials in the management of preemptive and defensive measures against the enemies' plots."

The Iranian parliamentarian noted that the Islamic Republic has developed its potential and power to curb any hostile actions against the country.

"Given the failure of their anti-Iran attempts, the Untied States and the Zionist regime have resorted to a combination of strategies to confront the Islamic Republic," he added.

Talaei-Nik elaborated that White House officials have failed to attain their goals through various tactics such as the threat of military strike, economic sanctions, psychological war or persuasion of Iran to move in line with US policies in the region.

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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2007, 09:25:17 am »
It is time for a massive march on Washington to avert this catastrophe from happening.

The "10 Million Man March" has a nice ring doesn't it?

In all seriousness, no one is going to stop this from happening unless YOU, ME, ALL OF US decide that this is where this madness ends.

This will start World War III, which if you know anything about the long term plan of the elites pulling all of the strings, has been the plan all along.

It has to end here.  It has to.  This is the end.  One way, or another.
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Britain's Channel Four Propaganda Machine Now Churning for Iran War
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by Azathoth Global Research, September 14, 2007 Indymedia UK


Last night, Jon Snow of C4 News grilled the Iranian President on his state's 'quest for nuclear weapons' and his alleged 'holocaust denial'. The interview was so aggressive and one sided, that it recalled the grilling of Tariq Aziz on BBC in the build up to the Iraq invasion in 2003.

JON SNOW - CORPORATE ATTACK DOG

August is a bad month for marketing. But not so September, which is a traditional kick off month for all kinds of corporate advertising campaigns. And lo and behold, last night's Channel 4 News fitted the bill perfectly for 'selling' the White House's up gearing campaign for the next war, this time on Iran. Launching into a full frontal assault on an affable, polite Ahmadinejad, C4 'celebrity reporter' Jon Snow repeatedly accused his government of 'seeking nuclear weapons' (no evidence provided, but never mind about such trifles, and of course the West has a divine right to accumulating many thousands of the things without any questions being asked), then insisted the dastardly Iranians were 'destabilising and promoting violence in Iraq' (no irony intended, obviously), 'deliberately killing British soldiers' (hey, come on), then when all these failed to get results, repeatedly attacking him personally as a 'Holocaust denier'. Now while Ahmadinejad's views on the scale of the Holocaust might well be questionable, the crux of his argument actually boiled down to 'why should the Palestinians have to suffer for these atrocities, which had nothing to do with them?' - a reasonable point of view, surely.

SPLIT SCREEN

Most disturbing of all however was a split screen (that C4 for inexplicable reasons interposed on the above attack dog style 'interview'), the other half screen repeatedly showing wholly unrelated and suggestive newsreel of Iranian test missiles being fired off in the desert, or on parade. Why? Is this legitimate 'documentary news' practice? What earthly purpose could it serve? In fact, it seems our 'free and fair' media has well and truly sunk to the manipulative propagandist levels of Pravda in the 1970s. UK media is becoming an increasingly blatant mouthpiece for its corporate and state/ super-state sponsors.

Footnote:

People may have noticed a recent press story about 'Russian aircraft invading British air space in cold war style aggressive missions'. No, not just that, but also implying that these intruders may be 'nuclear armed'. However, the allegedly contemporary photo shots that accompany the 'story' actually show ancient turbo-prop Tupelov 95 'Bear' bombers, perhaps a state of the art Soviet warhead delivery system in the early 1960s, and definitely used no later than the 1980s as spy planes after being withdrawn from front line service. Even more bizarrely however, and uncommented on in any of our lapdog media sources, is the fact that these pictures (taken last week, they would have us believe) clearly show old Soviet RED STARS on the tail. Erm, correct me if I am wrong but didn't the USSR cease to exist 15 years ago?
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Iran: War and surprise
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The heart of the United States' autumn flurry over Iraq is to shift focus towards Iran. From openDemocracy.

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By Paul Rogers for openDemocracy.net (14/09/07)

The fallout of the war in Iraq has helped to make the George W Bush administration one of the least popular in US political history. The domestic political repercussions are a matter of intense debate and speculation as the campaign for the presidential and congressional elections in November 2008 gets underway.

It is likely that the outcome of the elections will be greatly affected by the progress of United States efforts in Iraq and the experience of its military forces. The most recent of a number of assessments of the US's current predicament - the reports, and testimony before Congress, of General David Petraeus (the US military commander in Iraq) and Ryan Crocker (the US ambassador there) - have drawn intense media coverage in this respect.

There is a danger here, however: too narrow a focus on the domestic political implications of the Iraq imbroglio creates a tendency to ignore the fact that Iraq (and the US story there) is only one element in a broader regional picture (see Volker Perthes, Iraq in 2012: four scenarios, 11 September 2007). If the accumulated US effort in Iraq is seen in this light, a deeper logic might be discerned in which not Iraq, but Iran, is coming to play a central role in United States calculations.
A grand narrative

This underlying shift is apparent in five recent developments, which can be regarded as components in a reassembling "narrative" designed to direct public attention from Baghdad towards Tehran. The fact that several of the story's elements are in tension with each other does not prevent it from acquiring great potency for its architects (see Baghdad spin, Tehran war, 6 September 2007).

The first component is the transformation of a complex insurgency in Iraq into a simplistic war against al-Qaida. President Bush and others have repeatedly identified the insurgency within Iraq as being al-Qaida-inspired; this means that the activity role of a wide range of other Sunni groups opposed to the US occupation, and the even larger role of Shi'a militias.

The second part of the narrative is the highlighting of the military "surge" strategy, the deployment since February 2007 of six successive contingents of additional US forces on a monthly basis.

The surge was the Bush administration's answer to the two main proposals of the James A Baker / Lee H Hamilton report of December 2006: regional diplomatic engagement (including with Iran) and progressive troop withdrawals. The repudiation of the defeatist outlook of Baker/Hamilton (whose report, it is easy to forget, was anticipated as much as that of General Petraeus) was for the White House and its supporters the forceful and correct response to a continuing threat to America.

The new strategy has been confronted with severe problems on the ground in Iraq, making its authoritative justification a vital political requirement. The third element of the narrative enters here: the Petraeus report and congressional hearings (the Crocker testimony is more problematic for the administration, given its bleaker conclusions on the Iraqi government's political progress).

The evidence presented in Petraeus's digest of US experience in Iraq is remarkably selective in its reference-points. Moreover, it tends to ignore the evidence (revealed, for example, in an ABC/BBC poll in Iraq reported on 10 September that records a marked increase in Iraqis' sense of domestic insecurity. True, there has been some decrease in violence in Baghdad and in Anbar province; but violence has increased elsewhere, especially in Diyala province where US troops were withdrawn in 2006 to be replaced by Iraqi security forces. In the south, British forces have given up on Basra city, and even in Baghdad itself the security situation remains dire.

The Institute of War and Peace Reporting (IWPR) is one of the few organizations providing detailed, local assessments of Iraq to western audiences. In a recent report, IWPR describes the chaotic situation in Baghdad schools: hundreds of teachers have been murdered in the past year and there have been numerous kidnappings of students (see Iraq Crisis Report 231, 30 August 2007). Many of the city's 21,000 schools lack water and sanitation facilities, are crumbling through disrepair, and have to be regularly closed.

A Unicef program to reconstruct a schooling system that was once one of the best in the region has had to be put aside in order for resources to be focused on the growing numbers of displaced people.

The fourth part of the narrative highlights the prospect of a withdrawal of some United States forces by 2008 as a further indication of military progress. Any such move is unlikely to be substantive; Petraeus himself anticipates a US military presence in Iraq for up to a decade, and expects that - even allowing for such a withdrawal - there will be no decrease in the troop numbers that were in the country prior to the surge.

In any case, the aim of a staged return of some US troops to the homeland in 2008 is dependent on a marked improvement in the performance of the Iraqi security forces. This remains deeply problematic. The US head of the Iraq Assistance Group, Brigadier-General Dana Pittard, is only one of those warning against any early termination of the surge, partly on the grounds that it would take years for Iraqi forces to be able to take over.

The reality, then, is that there is unlikely to be any major redeployment of US forces away from Iraq. But that is not the point. The relevant factor is the need to create an impression of some success in Iraq, which can be made to carry a convenient double implication: stay the course, and troop reductions are in sight.

The fifth component of the overall story makes an effective entrance at this point. What difficulties remain in Iraq are very largely the responsibility of Iran. Thus, in US administration statements and interviews, and editorial pieces by the White House's strongest supporters, it is notable that the putative role of Iran in fomenting unrest and violence is being greatly elevated.

Indeed, by some strange alchemy Iran is now integrated into the al-Qaida phenomenon, thereby unifying America's two great enemies in the region - the historic and persistent threat posed by revolutionary Iran and the more recent al-Qaida challenge. It has not yet come to the point of blaming Iran for the 9/11 atrocities, but that could yet happen.
All points east

The increasingly tense relationship with Iran was reflected in the testimony given to the US Congress on 10-11 September 2007 by both the general and the ambassador. David Petraeus went so far as to talk of a "proxy war" with Iran, and Ryan Crocker accused the Iranian government of "providing lethal capabilities to the enemies of the Iraqi state". Behind them, a neo-conservative media chorus, whose voices include experts from the American Enterprise Institute and the ever-reliable Weekly Standard , have poured even more anathemas than usual on Tehran and its works.

More than rhetoric is involved. The Iranians have again insisted that they will not halt their efforts to enrich uranium for (they claim) civil nuclear-power use. In response, the Bush administration plans to return to the United Nations Security Council to demand tougher sanctions. Russian and Chinese opposition will mean that little progress will be made in this direction. But the effort will have symbolic value to the administration, and in any case will not detract from the White House's notable efforts to forge a link between Tehran's "interference" in Iraq and its nuclear plans.

The US intends to build a number of fortified checkpoints on highways linking Iran and Iraq; it also plans by November to construct a new base on the frontier, with living quarters for 200 US troops, as close as six kilometers to Iranian territory. In a separate move, up to 350 British troops are being assigned to border patrols along stretches of the border from which they were withdrawn some months ago.
The Iranian telescope

These developments, also part of the change in the emphasis of the whole conflict, provide support to the case of those analysts who believe that conflict between the United States and Iran is highly likely before mid-2008.

There are, equally, many arguments against this - not least a recognition among the more thoughtful sections of the American military that once a war with Iran starts, it will (like the war in Iraq - even if the wars will have a very different character) continue for years. The evaluation of these different perspectives needs to take account of what is happening on the Iranian side.

There exists, for example, a danger that military escalation in the Persian Gulf region could be deliberate provoked. This could come from the American side, but the greater likelihood at present is that elements within the Pasdaran-e Inqilab (Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps) will take such a step. This need not have the approval of the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regime, though its probable effect would be to unify Iranian opinion behind the Islamic Republic's leadership.

Since the end of the war with Iraq in 1988, the Revolutionary Guard has acted as an "army within an army", with its own barracks, recruitment and logistical organization; it also runs its own businesses. Many Iranians regard the organization (even in a muted and cautious way) as demonstrating a particular brand of corruption. This is registered within and around the Revolutionary Guards as a sense that the force has "gone soft" since the revolution's early, heroic days and the war with Iraq, and lost much of its support and status as a result.

The conclusion reached by some is that the guard badly needs a new cause: something that will return put it centre-stage once more, encourage renewed recruitment and, above all, regain national status by demonstrating its role in safeguarding the revolution. A possible, attractive option would be to engineer a confrontation with the United States. This could be achieved through overt cross-border operations, or (more likely) through some kind of operation in the crowded waters around the Straits of Hormuz.

The seizure of the fifteen British sailors and marines in March-April 2007 may - although it took place at the other end of the Gulf - be a model for an operation that could be conducted against the US navy (see Sanam Vakil, Iran's hostage politics, 2 April 2007).

Another possibility is that a claim of US aggression into Iranian territorial waters could be met by a Revolutionary Guards' speedboat operation against a US warship or even a supply vessel. In the context of the vehement anti-Tehran atmosphere that the Bush administration and its cheerleaders have been cultivating, Washington would have no choice but to respond to such provocation. Indeed, many of those in or around the White House, particularly those close to vice-president Dick Cheney, would welcome such a development.

The logic of the US' reassembled narrative about the situation in Iraq and its own role there is increasingly to depict Iran not simply as a problem in relation to Iraq, but as a problem in its own right. This may indeed appear to have a certain political convenience as the elections of 2008 approach. In other respects, the period ahead is starting to look ominous.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2007, 09:28:05 am »
This will be the first war from one country to another where it is not even discussed, but just accepted while the citizens go on shopping and watching OJ scandals.  this is so nuts i cannot even fathom what is coming next.
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2007, 09:54:33 am »
This will be the first war from one country to another where it is not even discussed, but just accepted while the citizens go on shopping and watching OJ scandals.  this is so nuts i cannot even fathom what is coming next.

im just waiting for the excuse, its like that bill hicks sketch,

elites -  "pick up the gun."
freedom - "i dont want to."
e - "pick up the gun"
f - "but you'll shoot me if i do"
e - "pick...up...the...gun"
f - *slowly reaches down to pick up the gun*
**BANG BANG BANG***
e - "you all saw him, he had a gun"
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The ends do NOT justify the means...

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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2007, 09:55:04 am »
As reported in the past by Sy Hersh, Cheney's only tactic to battle Shiites is to funnel funding to Al-Qaeda.  Now that the Iran War is on, direct funding of Billions of Dollars (besides the $122 Billion that Congress recently funded - the troops saw less than $10 billion) to Al-Qaeda is also a forgone conclusion.

This is how they play the game.

6th Anniversary of 9/11 and American Citizens do not revolt against direct funding of Al-Qaeda terrorists. 

Propoganda warfare incorporates the greatest Weapons of Mass Destruction ever created, this is beyond belief!
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Re: CNN, C-SPAN, BBC, FRANCE: The war in Iran is on!!!!!!
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2007, 10:00:56 am »
It is time for a massive march on Washington to avert this catastrophe from happening.

The "10 Million Man March" has a nice ring doesn't it?

In all seriousness, no one is going to stop this from happening unless YOU, ME, ALL OF US decide that this is where this madness ends.

This will start World War III, which if you know anything about the long term plan of the elites pulling all of the strings, has been the plan all along.

It has to end here.  It has to.  This is the end.  One way, or another.

I cannot even contemplate the insanity that will engulf us if we do not end this now.  I mean they are just attacking a country with our money, lives, respect, culture, energy, heritage, and freedoms. 

When they use these things to attack another, they are lost.  Gone forever.  The next deception will be 10 times worse.  This is only the beginning.

9/11 was supposed to be a solution for the sub-elites that signed on to finally rid the world of evil

Iraq War was supposed to be a solution to the economy

Iran War is supposed to be a solution to the Iraq failure.

Can you imagine what the solution to the Iran War will be?
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