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« on: July 11, 2008, 04:47:08 PM » |
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I know it's not allowed to post no plane theories, and I'm not trying to do that because my brother was in 5 WTC and saw the plane debris there, but what is the official stance here on what hit the Pentagon?
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jimd3100
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 06:10:42 PM » |
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I know it's not allowed to post no plane theories, and I'm not trying to do that because my brother was in 5 WTC and saw the plane debris there, but what is the official stance here on what hit the Pentagon?
There is no official stance. The thread for discussing it is one of the sticky topics above.... |
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 09:34:54 AM » |
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Kregener
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 10:17:45 AM » |
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It is my understanding that the 'no planes' THEORY is only ridiculous when it comes the WTC towers, not the Pentagon.
But I may be mistaken.
I am convinced that planes hit the towers.
I am just as convinced that Flight 77 never hit the Pentagon.
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EchelonMonitor
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2008, 05:18:59 AM » |
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Definite missile with depleted uranium. That's the only thing that could have punched all the way through the 6 heavy walls into the courtyard:   This is what a BIRD does to a plane:  There is obviously no way the nose of an airliner punched through 6 heavy walls of the Pentagon. The depleted uranium is why they had to bring in tons of dirt and gravel to cover the yard to seal it in. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2008, 05:42:16 AM » |
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Depleted uranium being covered on the lawn of the Pentagon:  |
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Kilika
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2008, 06:58:46 AM » |
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My position is that there is no way a commercial airliner hit the Pentagon.
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drewt431
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2008, 07:04:57 AM » |
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It was a plane. People saw it crash into the building, and there is plane wreckage and no missle wreckage. And if anybody is now thinking "what was under the blue tarp", it could have been anything, it was the pentagon after all! Most importantly you'd have to prove that missle debris was under the blue tarp.- http://youtube.com/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQk |
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Kilika
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2008, 07:34:52 AM » |
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NO! THEY have to prove what they "officially" claim, because the "authorities" are the ones claiming it was intentional, therefore they are claiming a crime was committed. THEY must prove their case in a court of law, which requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt!
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"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 (KJB)
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2008, 08:15:05 AM » |
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Bang on leftyleo.
and drewt - you can't state that it was a plane as a fact, sorry bud.
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drewt431
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2008, 08:37:42 AM » |
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NO! THEY have to prove what they "officially" claim, because the "authorities" are the ones claiming it was intentional, therefore they are claiming a crime was committed. THEY must prove their case in a court of law, which requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt! That would be true if they were running some sort of criminal trial...but they're not, it's an investigation into an event. I've watched plenty of videos on both sides of the story and I have come to the honest conclusion that it was a plane, beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this video is accurate- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQk |
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 08:59:58 AM » |
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If you know how dvr camera systems work it's very easy to explain. He clicked his mouse 39 times. In my estimate there must be 40 cameras on that DVR system. It has to cycle and record the other 39 cameras before it makes it back to that camera and then takes another "picture" of that camera. You can increase the cycle rate or program the unit to record on motion only to up the frames per second or record rate but it still leaves a very choppy and unreliable video. I know this to be the case because I run the security cameras at my work and we have this problem all the time. 30 grand for a system that can't catch $20 worth of theft. You've got to love technology. |
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Nailer
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 09:31:01 AM » |
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flight 93 was shot down and the pentagon was hit by a missle. where is debris? luggage, bodies, as a 757 does not dissapear after a impact. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread370294/pg1"At precisely 0938 hours, an alarm was sounded at Langely Air Force Base, and those whom were on call, drinking coffee, were scrambled. Thus the 119th Fighter Wing was off for an intercept. They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958; He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001. The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota, and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911 occured on a "temporary assignment." Major Rick Gibney did as he was ordered and did nothing criminal. He was merely following orders, of which he had no choice. Please do not harrass this man or bother him for doing what his CO & ultimately George Bush, ordered him to do. Major Rick Gibney has no reason to feel guilty nor regret following orders. The fault lies with his superiors, and a one, certain President George Bush who planned and engineered 911. Please do not heap any kind of abuse onto this man, a crack fighter pilot, one of the best in our nation, for doing what he was trained and ordered to do. He is a good man, honest and full of integrity as well as unlimited discipline. He is a patriot, and was lied to and deceived. He had no way to know that this plane wasn't a 'hostile.' Nor could he have. The fault lies with his superiors, and President George 'Dubya' Bush. Flight 93 has now been forever solved by truth, and honest reporting and investigating, from letsroll911.org. Major Rick Gibney, please do not read this as anything but the truth that the world deserves to know as true history. You played a part, but it was your superiors who deceived both you and everyone else regarding Flight 93. I didn't relish printing your name, as you're innocent of any evil doing. Yet it's history, and truth, and the world deserves to know. And you're safer now that this truth is out there, than if it was not. But the world would appreciate an honest reply and statement from you on this issue, but only when you're able and ready. The source of this information Mr. Gibney was very careful to point out your high quality of character and lack of malice or malfeasance in these issues. Your integrity is no way harmed by these revelations, as you were ignorant of the total picture of what was happening that day, and following orders as you were trained to do in an emergency. I apologize for having to print your name, but felt it necessary for both the truth to come forward, and your own safety. Major Rick Gibney..."Lets Roll" |
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2008, 10:23:11 AM » |
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That would be true if they were running some sort of criminal trial...but they're not, it's an investigation into an event. I've watched plenty of videos on both sides of the story and I have come to the honest conclusion that it was a plane, beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this video is accurate- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQkI think it's accurate too. Claiming a missile hit the pentagon is only hurting the 9/11 truth movement. People point to it as proof "truthers" are not telling the truth and the movement is a fraud. Wake up, and realize it's BS started by webfairy, Nico, and the other no planers, it was the starting point for the BS "no plane" theory. claim: It penetrated 6 walls and 3 rings and a plane couldn't do that. Truth: it didn't. The construction of the pentagon proves it went through two walls.  http://www.pentagonresearch.com/118.htmlClaim: CNN reporter Jamie Mcintyre reports no plane crashed near the pentagon, and no parts were found. Truth: he reported on the crash of the plane and described parts of it. he was responding to a question of a report that a plane crashed near the pentagon not at it. the edited clip: http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/index.htmlNotice who has been promoting this from the start? webfairy the "no plane princess" the unedited clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlBpChvzD8What McIntyre thinks of this... http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/05/16/transcript.wed/MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN in which I -- myself -- appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. In fact, I was answering a question based on a eyewitness account who thought the American Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicated there was no crash site near the pentagon only at the Pentagon
MCINTYRE: In fact there were thousands of tiny pieces of the plane, and I personally photographed a piece of the fuselage and what appeared to be part of the cockpit.Edited clips make truthers look like liars. I don't think this helps a 9/11 truth movement claim: witnesses describe a missile truth: Not one witness described a missile, and there were in fact lots of witnesses-it happened in broad daylight during rush hour traffic in a heavily populated area, which common sense would tell you they wouldn't fire a missile. People would see what happened. People did see what happened and every single witness describes a plane. An edited clip of Mike Walter is used for this claim, where he is in in fact describing an American Airlines passenger jet. Some "truthers" then claim he is then "in on it" which not only makes truthers look like liars but rather repulsive ones. Clip: where truthers claim M Walter is a liar who "changed his story" http://www.metacafe.com/watch/452570/september_11_pentagon_eye_witness_mike_walter_changes_his_story/truth: he never changed his story. Truthers did. which makes them liars, isn't it time to stop destroying the truth movement with this BS? Unedited clip: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1jqaz_pentagon-eyewitness-mike-walter_newsclaim: no engine parts were not found nor were other parts recovered truth: engine parts were found and other parts were recoveredhttp://www.pentagonresearch.com/110.htmlhttp://www.pentagonresearch.com/081.htmlhttp://www.pentagonresearch.com/084.htmlhttp://www.pentagonresearch.com/082.htmlClaim: videos from the hotel and citgo station were never released truth: video from hotel and citgo station were releasedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJvFjsl6zkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H285_DWX_bQclaim: a passenger jet cannot fly that fast a few feet off the ground truth: passenger jets can fly a few feet off the ground otherwise they couldn't take off or land. The claim that it couldn't fly that fast that low is false as it was descending and only flew a few feet off the ground for the last second or twoClaim: witnesses all(yes every single one of them) confused a passenger jet with a missile. truth: take a look at this video and ask yourself if that is a realistic claim...http://www.pentagonresearch.com/eye.htmlclaim: the damage at the pentagon was a 16 foot hole that a plane can't fit in. truth: it wasn't a 16 foot hole, it was the first and second floors. this picture with the water from the firefighters hose obscuring the damage is used for this claim http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/uploaded/pentagon-hole-20080331-431.jpgthis is first floor damage that is being obscured by the water from the hose http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpgClaim: officials were secretly carting off evidence hidden under a blue tarp truth: it's just one of several tents brought into the areahttp://www.rense.com/general70/bluett.htmnot to mention the lamp poles being knocked down could only be from a large aircraft.... All this easily debunked nonsense takes away from the real smoking guns at the pentagon. The fact that the military knew we were under attack and hijacked planes were flying into buildings. And an hour after the first plane flew into the WTC (8:46 am) the military headquarters was hit(9:37 am). This is preposterous, and proves a stand down and gee whiz the area that was hit was the least populated area since that was where the construction was just finishing up to reinforce it against bombs(or a plane)hitting it. Gee...the area, that was the direct opposite side of where the high ranking officers (and Rumsfield) were at..and if you wanted to hit the pentagon the easiest and most effective way that would kill the most people and do the most damage would be just to dive into it, but instead a horrible pilot makes this incredible maneuver to slide into the first floor of the least important and least populated area of the pentagon an incredible pinpoint accurate hit by an incredibly horrible pilot. Maybe you should focus attention on that fact rather than an easily debunked missile theory that goes against common sense if you think about it. The perps knew no one would have caught it on video or camera? How did they know that? They didn't. There is no point in promoting this easily debunked theory that is backed up by no evidence and no witnesses, only lies and edited clips. How is that beneficial to a truth movement?On 9/11 planes flew into buildings and the pentagon proves they were not piloted by "terrorists" who hate freedom. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2008, 11:37:15 AM » |
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I hope that was a joke, because that is the most moronic statement I've seen on the forum in a long time. No part of an airliner punches through 6 steel-reinforced walls. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 02:46:09 PM » |
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I hope that was a joke, because that is the most moronic statement I've seen on the forum in a long time.
No part of an airliner punches through 6 steel-reinforced walls.
Are you actually reading this thread? |
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The question isn't whether we are right or wrong, the question is, are we even in the conversation??
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 06:37:19 PM » |
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this is the same stuff the same CIA plant was pushing on you tube I am not going to let them tell me what to think any more. I have common sense of my own as everyone else does, so use it. and you CIA< NSA or what ever boys can go peddle your bullshit some place else. We have brains and eyes and can think for ourselves , we don't need someone to explain what happen like the plant on 911 " it was a callapse because of the intense heat from the jet fuel " who talks like that besides you NAZI Pigs. GO away Your trial is comming up soon enough. then you can peddle your bullshit there.
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Never Give up Never Surrender - Arguing about religion is like diving head first into newly discovered pool. You were not around when it was formed.
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drewt431
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2008, 09:47:47 PM » |
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this is the same stuff the same CIA plant was pushing on you tube I am not going to let them tell me what to think any more. I have common sense of my own as everyone else does, so use it. and you CIA< NSA or what ever boys can go peddle your bullshit some place else. We have brains and eyes and can think for ourselves , we don't need someone to explain what happen like the plant on 911 " it was a callapse because of the intense heat from the jet fuel " who talks like that besides you NAZI Pigs. GO away Your trial is comming up soon enough. then you can peddle your bullshit there. Who are you addressing? If it's to us that believe that a plane hit the pentagon, you might want to consider that people can come to a different conclusion other than the nutty no plane junk without working for the CIA....just a thought. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2008, 09:52:24 PM » |
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this is the same stuff the same CIA plant was pushing on you tube I am not going to let them tell me what to think any more. I have common sense of my own as everyone else does, so use it. and you CIA< NSA or what ever boys can go peddle your bullshit some place else. We have brains and eyes and can think for ourselves , we don't need someone to explain what happen like the plant on 911 " it was a callapse because of the intense heat from the jet fuel " who talks like that besides you NAZI Pigs. GO away Your trial is comming up soon enough. then you can peddle your bullshit there.
Nazis, Plants, and Agents huh? Based on what again? |
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2008, 09:59:00 PM » |
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The first video is dated 1/1/93. The second video doesn't show a plane. Just an explosion. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2008, 10:23:02 PM » |
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I don't know who they are but its usually the first ones that start yelling
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Never Give up Never Surrender - Arguing about religion is like diving head first into newly discovered pool. You were not around when it was formed.
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2008, 10:34:25 PM » |
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The first video is dated 1/1/93.
Yup, Nice catch! That makes one wonder....but if you look at the middle of the screen at top it has the date 9/11/01 and in the center of the screen the time as well.... The second video doesn't show a plane. Just an explosion. Correct again. But if that really was where the camera was located that's what it's going to show. There are other still pics that I've seen that are supposed to be from the same camera showing the helicopter flying over the smoking pentagon, but these are the videos that are claimed to be from the two locations...fake? Who knows...it sure doesn't prove or give a reason for a missile that I can see though.... |
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2008, 10:44:52 PM » |
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It doesn't really matter what hit the Pentagon.
All anyone needs to know is that it was a staged event for the world to see.
You people have been around these sites long enough to know that fact and fiction get released together, that makes the fact lose credibility because it mixes in with the fiction.
Unless actual footage is released from the Powers that be, I would take any new footage with a grain of salt.
If someone said that they just remembered that they got the event on tape and forgot about it because they where so traumatized, who would believe it?
a few would and the rest would say that it is just another plot by the man to discredit some how.
all these type of things do is take your attention away from the real problems facing you now
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2009, 03:20:44 PM » |
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I can't picture how something as irregularly shaped as a landing gear could punch such a wondeerfully circular hole. Nor can I envision a fuselage maintaining its integrity thru the impact & maintaining its shape sufficiently to make that hole.
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