NASA!!!...Psy-op, Photoshop, Terra-forming... What's Up, NASA?

[Dig]

Since the foreign aid that went to Israel is already 4 times the money of the Apollo program I think you should replace "whitey on the moon" with "and billions for Israel".

Even if you think the moon program was a waste of tax payers money it was still worth it. It was a major boost for science and technology, brought the world together (in a positive way) for one moment, gave the americans a reason to be all proud'n shit, made people dream and children want to learn to be engineers and scientists (certainly a bad thing) and tons of other things. Of course all that doesnt count cause NASA is a nazi devil. I would rather pay billions for a probe to be smashed against the moon than 5 bucks for ammo to kill some brown people. Vets certainly arent sleeping on the streets because of NASA.

And before you "go there" with gil scott heron, perhaps you should listen to one of the greatest political musical satirist patriots over the past 50 years... (hint: it is the same guy)...

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0
gil scott heron

[iks83]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=55269973

So what? He slightly touches the flag when running by and it starts swinging (like it would in a vacuum).

[EvadingGrid]

Let us take a gaze at the knights of the round table shall we?

Sir Henry Kissinger, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir Edward Kennedy, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir William Gates III, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir Alan Greenspan, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir Colin Powell, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir Tommy Franks, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir George HW Bush, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.
Sir Norman Swarzkopf, Knight Commander to the British Empire's Queen Eliabeth II, Who by sworn oath gives his service to her above all else.

Yeah, the Queen has no power over the United States Financial Institutions, her technology, her military, nor her political foundations.

Yeah, that's the ticket, yeah.

I really did not expect such a lengthy answer.

To be serious,

They are but puppets and it is the office which has power, and the control is the puppet masters, in which case your list provides a decent link up between the American REPUBLIC and a MONARCHY. This should, outrage the American people that these representatives of a republic are hobnobing with any Royal Family. But I wont hold my breath. Once upon a time a mob would have descended upon the above list of traitors.

All the secret societies I've looked into at some stage have a disdain for the Crown, in fact I'll quickly hot list there top list of enemies in a minute. At some stage as the initiates rise through the various degrees of initiation at some point they will be offered symbolicaly 'The Crown', which if they accept they fail the test. It pays to consider that this conspiracy is far older than the modern democracies and far older than any exisiting republics. They conspire to over throw the crown otherwise known as the state, to replace it with there nightmare satanic dictatorship.

I think the snapshot of Cecil Rhodes and his conspiracy is interesting, but has to be placed in context of the time period, when the British Pound and the British Empire was the super power of its day. Since then they have proven that there dedication to the British Empire was a shallow exoteric disguse, they owe no loyalty except to there "brotherhood of death" as Alex describes them. The notion of nationalisim is anathema and alien to the conspirators, so when we rexamine Cecil Rhodes claim to be rebuilding the British Empire it is a deception designed to ensare the usefull idiots of the day. The conspirators at heart are allways traitors to what ever nationality or passport they hold, there only master is satan, if they read A Pike they would know that. Quigley said that the Brits are not so interested in the occult and leave that to there america cousins, but I think they are simply more subtle and secrative.

If I wanted to name a British Royal, it would be Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. He is never going to be crowned, yet he is close enough to the crown to almost taste 'the power', he gets to stand in for the Queen for various offical duties. He is the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England, the governing body of Freemasonry in England and Wales. Yet I bet he though he thinks he is in the inside he serves as nothing more than a usefull idiot. However who really knows who the chief Mason really is, would'nt surprise me if it was not Javier Solana.


Also know as Three Fishes
Crown
Mob
Church

(See Isis Osiris)


OR


To be witty
If a woman runs Britian then a black man runs America . . . and there is no conspiracy


Ooops have I de-railed a useless no-plane nasa thread ?

[EvadingGrid]

If you reading this and you do not know why anyone would connect

• The British Royal Family
• Rhodesia
• Cecil Rhodes
• Carrol Quigley
• Bill Clinton & Friends

Then you are probably need to stop and find out why,

Here is what was in Cecil Rhodes Last Will and Testament.

"To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the Holy Land, the Valley of the Euphrates, the Islands of Cyprus and Candia, the whole of South America, the Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity."

 - Cecil Rhodes

You should also probably check out Dr Stan Montieth's super Video

The Brotherhood of Darkness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2866704516923817439

[Dig]

I really did not expect such a lengthy answer.

To be serious,

They are but puppets and it is the office which has power, and the control is the puppet masters, in which case your list provides a decent link up between the American REPUBLIC and a MONARCHY. This should, outrage the American people that these representatives of a republic are hobnobing with any Royal Family. But I wont hold my breath. Once upon a time a mob would have descended upon the above list of traitors.

All the secret societies I've looked into at some stage have a disdain for the Crown, in fact I'll quickly hot list there top list of enemies in a minute. At some stage as the initiates rise through the various degrees of initiation at some point they will be offered symbolicaly 'The Crown', which if they accept they fail the test. It pays to consider that this conspiracy is far older than the modern democracies and far older than any exisiting republics. They conspire to over throw the crown otherwise known as the state, to replace it with there nightmare satanic dictatorship.

I think the snapshot of Cecil Rhodes and his conspiracy is interesting, but has to be placed in context of the time period, when the British Pound and the British Empire was the super power of its day. Since then they have proven that there dedication to the British Empire was a shallow exoteric disguse, they owe no loyalty except to there "brotherhood of death" as Alex describes them. The notion of nationalisim is anathema and alien to the conspirators, so when we rexamine Cecil Rhodes claim to be rebuilding the British Empire it is a deception designed to ensare the usefull idiots of the day. The conspirators at heart are allways traitors to what ever nationality or passport they hold, there only master is satan, if they read A Pike they would know that. Quigley said that the Brits are not so interested in the occult and leave that to there america cousins, but I think they are simply more subtle and secrative.

If I wanted to name a British Royal, it would be Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. He is never going to be crowned, yet he is close enough to the crown to almost taste 'the power', he gets to stand in for the Queen for various offical duties. He is the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England, the governing body of Freemasonry in England and Wales. Yet I bet he though he thinks he is in the inside he serves as nothing more than a usefull idiot. However who really knows who the chief Mason really is, would'nt surprise me if it was not Javier Solana.


Also know as Three Fishes
Crown
Mob
Church

(See Isis Osiris)


OR


To be witty
If a woman runs Britian then a black man runs America . . . and there is no conspiracy


Ooops have I de-railed a useless no-plane nasa thread ?

sounds good to me, queen is just the the one they put forward, but yeah the elite pigs... in our face and hidden. still a very small group of which liz is definitely a part of.

[EvadingGrid]

sounds good to me, queen is just the the one they put forward, but yeah the elite pigs... in our face and hidden. still a very small group of which liz is definitely a part of.

Yea, I should also have given her dodgy hubby a mention.

They accused his father of being a German spy, his grand father was assassinated in the Balklans Wars, and he said he would not mind getting reincarnated as a virus, oh the list is a long one . . . and of course he is in an ideal postion to manipulate his spouse. In common with liz's side of the family they also changed there German surname to Montbatten.

[iceman2]

Aliens! thats whats going on at NASA!

[Dig]

I wonder where the 4th horse is...

[Dig]

Just try to get into the mindset of a NASA/DoD dehumanized Kissinger puppet...

[iks83]

I wonder where the 4th horse is...

3 people 3 horses... where is your problem?

[Dig]

Know Your Intelligence Agencies
www.good.is/post/ know-your-intelligence-agencies/
Posted by: Claire Evans on October 24, 2008 at 10:14 am

Introducing … the National Reconnaissance Office!

The so-called U.S. Intelligence Community consists of 16 agencies–an alphabet soup that includes the FBI, DEA and CIA. That umbrella moniker is a brilliant piece of semantics: “intelligence” feels smart; “community,” sounds, well, neighborly.

The reality, however, is that the Intelligence Community is a network of organizations bankrolled by an annual taxpayer budget of $43.5 billion. Each operates with some level of secrecy and autonomy from the others, and most people don’t even know some of the agencies exist. For example, ever heard of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)?

Probably not.

Despite being among the oldest American intelligence agencies—founded as a little brother to the Department of Defense during the peak of 1960s Sputnik paranoia—the NRO was top-secret until 1992. It’s not hard to keep the lid on, say, a paper-pushing bureaucratic wing of the government—but in this case it’s pretty unbelievable. That’s because the NRO, based in Chantilly, Va., is a space agency. Like NASA, it shoots satellites into orbit, employs thousands of people, and conducts research on far-fetched ideas, such as space-based radar systems. The big difference, however, is that the satellites the NRO distributes are destined to monitor the Earth rather than the cosmos; they’re designed to spy, not to study.

Military literature refers to the agency as “freedom’s sentinel in space” and America’s “eyes and ears in space.” Unofficial mission patches depict the NRO as a massive dragon with American flag-wings, holding the entire planet in its steely grip. Add to that the ludicrous money poured into the Intelligence Community after 9/11—not to mention Dick Cheney’s comments about engaging the “dark side” of American justice—and that dragon depiction starts to feel uncomfortably real.

The creation of the NRO in 1960 transformed an openly acknowledged U.S. space reconnaissance effort into a “black” (that’s “classified” in intelligence-speak) program. The main purpose: so the Soviets wouldn’t shoot down U.S. surveillance equipment. Incredibly, the NRO managed, over the course of its 32 “black” years, to send hundreds of covert spy satellites (and goodness knows what else) into space to survey every corner of the globe without anyone knowing—except those that did.

How could an agency stay secret while operating rocket launches and controlling “ground stations” all around the world, collecting and distributing data gathered from reconnaissance satellites with code names like “Misty” and “KH-13”—all built, incidentally, by civilian military contractors, like Lockheed-Martin and Boeing?

Whatever the reason, the NRO hasn’t shaken its near-ritualistic clandestine roots since the early-‘90s declassification.

Case in point: In 1995, it took a CIA inquiry and White House intervention for the NRO to admit it had gone excessively over budget in the construction of its new headquarters—the project’s classification effectively blocked any oversight. The Office has a track record of using its secrecy to burn through money without consequence: a “Future Imagery Architecture” spy satellite program frizzled away $10 billion without sending a single orbiter into space, something that Congress kept in mind this year when it recently nixed BASIC, another potentially money-guzzling satellite mapping program.

Certainly, some information should be kept under wraps for the sake of useful, international espionage, but government agencies with $6.5 billion budgets shouldn’t get to operate with impunity by playing the “top secret” card whenever the public wants to know how its money is being spent.

Now that the NRO is public, it has to submit to some transparency, such as announcing when it’s sending spy satellites into orbit—an awkward position for an intelligence agency—but it doesn’t need to reveal too many details aside from its stated mission: “track international terrorists, drug traffickers, and criminal organizations having the potential to threaten U.S. citizens and our way of life.” Occasionally something will slip out of the blackness and make a media splash, like the malfunctioning satellite that had to be shot down by a Navy cruiser earlier this year. But, for all intents and purposes–because it concerns defense—the dark agency stays dark.

And we stay in the dark.

[Dig]

3 people 3 horses... where is your problem?

no problem, looks cool

[Dig]

HAhahahah .... He needs to be edumacated.

 If you look at all the scriptural references in the rest of the patches you may see it in a different light. The astronauts are to be likened to horses? Huh...interesting.

 4 horseman of the apocalypse, symbolism everywhere.

I have learned to just back off from such comments, hence the no problemo.  anyway, glad the communication gets delivered to those that want it.

[codemonkey70]

HAhahahah .... He needs to be edumacated.

 If you look at all the scriptural references in the rest of the patches you may see it in a different light. The astronauts are to be likened to horses? Huh...interesting.

 4 horseman of the apocalypse, symbolism everywhere.

I dont too much about NASA symbolism or etc... but when my husband was a KT the symbol was always 3 horses with 3 riders holding the shield with the red cross on it. 3 horses = knights templar.

[Jackson Holly]

  Codemonkey:

Your husband was Knights Templar?

[codemonkey70]

  Codemonkey:

Your husband was Knights Templar?

Yes. We woke up maybe a year ago... We're still learning and waking up to new things.. so Im here learning basically and goofing off too. I was an Eastern Star as well. Kids were in rainbow and daughters of Job. Parents and family members were associated with the masons so naturally we both were drawn to it.

I say we "were" associated with them but I guess you never really get out of it in a way. Your name and info are always there even if you are not in "good standing".

The 3 horses and the number 3 are pretty important to the KT... look into it. I find it curious that 3 horses were used by NASA.

[luckee1]

Yes. We woke up maybe a year ago... We're still learning and waking up to new things.. so Im here learning basically and goofing off too. I was an Eastern Star as well. Kids were in rainbow and daughters of Job. Parents and family members were associated with the masons so naturally we both were drawn to it.

I say we "were" associated with them but I guess you never really get out of it in a way. Your name and info are always there even if you are not in "good standing".

The 3 horses and the number 3 are pretty important to the KT... look into it. I find it curious that 3 horses were used by NASA.

WOW!!!     Glad you all came to.

[Jackson Holly]

Yes. We woke up maybe a year ago... We're still learning and waking up to new things.. so Im here learning basically and goofing off too. I was an Eastern Star as well. Kids were in rainbow and daughters of Job. Parents and family members were associated with the masons so naturally we both were drawn to it.

I say we "were" associated with them but I guess you never really get out of it in a way. Your name and info are always there even if you are not in "good standing".

The 3 horses and the number 3 are pretty important to the KT... look into it. I find it curious that 3 horses were used by NASA.

Very interesting to have you here ... can we "pick your brain" a bit? It is so rare to get insight from someone on the inside.

Was your husband involved with the military? They were/are a military order - and I see that there are many masonic/templar groups in the modern military.

Do you know of direct NASA connections to the K. Templars or K.o. Malta?

Was your husband 'born into' the order?

Is his family ... or yours ... aristocratic/illuminist?

Was there any Mind Kontrol involved? Do you know of Kay Griggs?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> an example



AA Prince Hall affiliated Templar outfit in Iraq:
http://black.babylonlodge.org/


~~~~~~~~~~~

[iceman2]

2012 is coming and it's the end of the world! so what they are doing is building loads of stuff, space stations, and rockets  so they can ship out the queen and her mob, along with a few other bum chums and come back when 95% of the people have been wiped out by those NUBARU lot. ready for the next 2600 years of tyrannical rule. WELL it's a theory!   

[Dig]

2012 is coming and it's the end of the world! so what they are doing is building loads of stuff, space stations, and rockets  so they can ship out the queen and her mob, along with a few other bum chums and come back when 95% of the people have been wiped out by those NUBARU lot. ready for the next 2600 years of tyrannical rule. WELL it's a theory!   

Damn right it is a theory. dreamed up in the Pentagon to spread around through truth movements so that they can then be discredited.

great point!

[37]

Damn right it is a theory. dreamed up in the Pentagon to spread around through truth movements so that they can then be discredited.

great point!

The 2012 hoax/hype is slightly more diabolical than that...

It is predictive programming for the mass culling.  And, if it doesn't happen(global cataclysm), some douchebag like Obama comes out and says, "Now see, isn't it time we put away all of these silly superstitions and cultic beliefs?  Haven't we seen that religion and fairy tales cause more harm than good, and are based on ridiculously childish beliefs."

Then they really get busy weeding out the old, sick and dissident. 

It's a win-win for the elite eugenics cult.  Welcome to the New Age...

[codemonkey70]

Very interesting to have you here ... can we "pick your brain" a bit? It is so rare to get insight from someone on the inside.

Was your husband involved with the military? They were/are a military order - and I see that there are many masonic/templar groups in the modern military.

Do you know of direct NASA connections to the K. Templars or K.o. Malta?

Was your husband 'born into' the order?

Is his family ... or yours ... aristocratic/illuminist?

Was there any Mind Kontrol involved? Do you know of Kay Griggs?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> an example



AA Prince Hall affiliated Templar outfit in Iraq:
http://black.babylonlodge.org/


~~~~~~~~~~~

I dont know how "on the inside" we are, but I will answer what I can.

The military... he was recruited right out of HS for the marines and immediately after his 4 yrs he was then recruited for a govt job... IE contracting with the air force.... air command and ACFP. Now after several other jobs within the govt he is working with the air force again with some kind of secret network junk. I really am computer stupid.. all I know is that he works in a secure building and is locked in there! LOL! As for masons in the military.. YES. Many many masons in the military. The retired col he works closely with is a high up in my husbands lodge. basically they all are associated on and off base.

I do not know what the connection between NASA is with the masonic orders, only that I see a lot of the same symbolism and the 3 horses knocked my socks off when I saw it posted here.


Im unsure what born into the order is... but if you mean a long family history of being associated with masonic orders... yes. On both of our sides of family. Mine more than his. On my dads side, they are N.A. but on my mothers side she is first gen here in the US and the family is from Wales. We have a long ancestry that was traced to the roman invasion and supposedly they are related to the first bishop in Egypt of the Coptic Church. My husbands family are long time masons and are directly over to the US from Austria a few generations ago. Im unsure about his whole family history.

I have NO idea about mind control or Kay Griggs. Im really newly awakened and am not familiar with a lot of  this stuff... I used to thiink you all were nuts... then my husband and I started looking into things since the nomination of Obama and the McCain thing... we were truly frightened with what we were starting to wake up to.


I will say this much, NASA.... if you look at the 3 horses... hubby and I were talking last night about it. During the crusades it was a matter of a shortage of horses. there were 2 people for every one horse. With the Templars they were felt to be on such an important mission that they were treated special and given many concessions that others werent.. they were given a horse for each Templar. Thats what the KT tell you anyway. I kinda thought that with the 3 horses on the NASA thing that NASA was felt to be on such an important mission that they are being given special concessions.
I could be talking out of my ass here.. but it was a thought.

[iceman2]

nothing wrong in talking out your ass! 99.95% of all governments appear to do it, so it's got to be good!  I on the other hand appear to a Moron according to some, therefore I am exempt, as us Aliens don't have ass holes! Only humans are ass holes, Oppps sorry, humans have ass holes!! 

[Jackson Holly]

codemonkey70:

Sounds like both of your families are military/masonic, then.

Would you say that you 'drifted' into Eastern Star or did you feel compelled because of family?

Like mother / like daughter?

You feel sure there was no trauma~based mind control or other coercion going on in your families ... I hope this is not prying.

http://www.google.com/search?q=MKULTRA&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=ZUBzSsPtJ8uWlAei0sDXCg&sa=X&oi
=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=fritz+springmeier&spell=1

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kay Griggs :  I thought of her story when you mentioned you and your husband's situation. I believe you might want to checkout this interview (it is quiet long ... take it in steps). In a nutshell, I would describe it as a straight-forward exposé of the old school illuminati/brotherhood controlling the military/government here ... and abroad ... with special emphasis on the homo-erotic aspects.

Here is her story - 40 minute excerpts:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/03/28/17300681.php

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[codemonkey70]

codemonkey70:

Sounds like both of your families are military/masonic, then.

Would you say that you 'drifted' into Eastern Star or did you feel compelled because of family?

Like mother / like daughter?

You feel sure there was no trauma~based mind control or other coercion going on in your families ... I hope this is not prying.


Yes both sides of the family are very military. Only a few of the men havent been in the military or employed within the federal govt in the last 2 or 3 generations as far as I know.
My mother is a born again christian.. a calvinist... and shunned the Eastern Star and masonic stuff. I was very much more close to my grandfather and grandmother. When I went to college I got into the OES pretty heavily and have found chapters to be active in everywhere we have moved to.

Youre not prying. No I feel very sure that there was nothing weird going on. The only thing we had different from other families is that we were all raised like we were in the military. I learned the Marine Creed before I could even read. LOL! Maybe thats mind control in a way, but not this weird stuff I have read recently about  mind control and sex stuff. I have personally NEVER seen ANY of that garbage. I even have my great uncle and aunts mason and OES stuff... they had no kids and I was their fave. Everything from pics to documents to jewelry. The ONLY thing I found kind of shocking was a large pic of the guys dressed up in "black face" in the lodge goofing off.

[Jackson Holly]

codemonkey:

All good reports ... I am so glad that you both had such good families. Anything special to share about the Eastern Star? Are you beyond apprentice?

~~~~~~~~~~~~


Hey ... what about AJs guest, Harrison Schmidt? Is he credible?

[Jackson Holly]

———> NASA's Corporate Superman

http://www.ihmc.us/users/user.php?UserID=hschmitt

Harrison 'Jack' Schmitt



Senior Research Scientist

EXCERPT:
Harrison Hagan Schmitt, a native of Silver City, NM, has the diverse experience of a geologist, pilot, astronaut, administrator, businessman, writer, and U. S. Senator. He married to Teresa A. Fitzgibbon of Los Alamos, NM in 1985. Schmitt received his B. S. from Caltech, studied as a Fulbright Scholar at Oslo, and attended graduate school at Harvard. Geological field studies in Norway formed the basis of his Ph.D. in 1964. As a civilian, Schmitt received Air Force jet pilot wings in 1965 and Navy helicopter wings in 1967, logging more than 2100 hours of flying time.

Selected for the Scientist-Astronaut program in 1965, Schmitt organized the lunar science training for the Apollo Astronauts, represented the crews during the development of hardware and procedures for lunar surface exploration, and oversaw the final preparation of the Apollo 11 Lunar Module Descent Stage. He served as Mission Scientist in support of the Apollo 11 mission. After training as back-up Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 15, Schmitt flew in space as Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 17 - the last Apollo mission to the moon. On December 11, 1972, he landed in the Valley of Taurus-Littrow as the only scientist and the last of 12 men to step on the Moon.

In 1975, after two years managing NASA's Energy Program Office, Schmitt fulfilled a long-standing personal commitment by entering politics. Elected in 1976, he served a six-year term in the U.S. Senate beginning in 1977. Senator Schmitt, the only "natural scientist" in the Senate since Thomas Jefferson was Vice-President of the United States and President of the Senate, worked as a member of the Senate Commerce, Banking, Appropriations, Intelligence, and Ethics Committees. In his last two years in the Senate, Schmitt held the position of Chairman of the Commerce Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space and of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education. He later served on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the President's Commission on Ethics Law Reform, the Army Science Board, as Co-Chairman of the International Observer Group for the 1992 Romanian elections, and as Vice Chairman of the U.S. delegation to the 1992 World Administrative Radio Conference in Spain. He is on the Maguire Energy Institute's Board of Advisors, and served as co-chair of NASA's Human Planetary Landing Systems Capabilities Road-mapping effort in 2004-05.



Harrison Schmitt became Chairman of the NASA Advisory Council in November 2005, leading its deliberations on issues related to Aeronautics, Audit and Finance, Biomedicine, Exploration (human flight systems development), Human Capital, Science, and Space Operations. He also consults, speaks, and writes on policy issues of the future, the science of the Moon and Planets, history of space flight and geology, space exploration, space law, and the American Southwest. He presently is Chair Emeritus of The Annapolis Center (risk assessment) and is Adjunct Professor of Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Madison, teaching "Resources from Space."

Schmitt became a consultant to the Fusion Technology Institute at the University of Wisconsin in 1986, advising on the economic geology of lunar resources and the engineering, operational, and financial aspects of returning to the Moon. He is on the staff of the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition of Pensacola, Florida. Current board memberships include Orbital Sciences Corporation, Edenspace Systems Corporation, and PhDx Systems, Inc., and, as a retired Director, he continues as an emeritus Member of the Corporation of the Draper Laboratory.

He also has served as a member of the Energy Department's Laboratory Operations Board. In 1997, Schmitt co-founded and became Chairman of Interlune-Intermars Initiative, Inc., advancing the private sector's acquisition of lunar resources and Helium-3 fusion power and clinical use of medical isotopes produced by fusion-related processes. He is the author of, "Return to the Moon" (2006 Springer-Praxis) that describes a private enterprise approach to providing lunar helium-3 fusion energy resources for use on Earth.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Interlune-Intermars Initiative, Inc

The corporate vision of a proposed Interlune-Intermars Initiative encompasses commercial enterprises related to resources from space that support the preservation of the human species and our home planet. Within this vision, the major mission objectives of the Initiative are to provide investors with a competitive rate of return; protect the Earth's environment and expand the well-being of its inhabitants by using energy from space, particularly lunar 3He, as a major alternative to fossil and fission fuels; develop resources from space that will support future near-Earth and deep-space activities and human settlement; and develop reliable and robust capabilities to launch payloads from Earth to deep space at a cost of $1,000/kg or less (1996 dollars). Attaining a level of sustaining operations for the core fusion power and lunar resource business of the Initiative requires about 15 years and 10–$15 billion of private investment capital as well as the successful marketing and profitable sales of a variety of applied fusion technologies.

http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?9701071

Resources from SPACE:
http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/neep602/FALL97/LEC42/lecture42.html

INTERLUNE INTERMARS INITIATIVE, INC.

Delaware Corporation incorporated in 1997
Privately Financed
Vision Statement:

CREATE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES RELATED TO RESOURCES FROM SPACE, THAT, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF THE HUMAN SPECIES AND ITS HOME PLANET INTERLUNE INTERMARS INITIATIVE, INC.

Mission Statements:

1. Develop commercial enterprises related to resources from space that provide a competive return to investors.
2.Protect the Earth's environment and increase the well-being of its inhabitants by using energy from space, particularly lunar 3He, as a major alternative to fossil and fission fuels.
3. Develop resources from space that will support future near-Earth and deep space activities and human settlement.
4. Establish the human species in diverse, self-sufficient enclaves on the Moon and Mars.
5. Develop reliable and robust capabilities to launch payloads from Earth to deep space at a cost of $1000/kg or less (1997 dollars).
6. Endow a world-class Space Biomedical Sciences Institute within the mainstream of biomedical research.
7. Conduct intramural and extramural research related to resources from space that will provide cost effective support for lunar and martian settlements.
8.Develop the technical and organizational capability to deflect asteroids and comets that pose significant threats to human settlements in the solar system.
9. Cooperate with nations and world organizations to guarantee that both the space treaty enviroment and national regulatory and economic structures encourage all peaceful space enterprises.
10. Endow a "Solar System Fleet Academy" for training of cadres of space specialists, generalists, and skilled workers.
11.Endow an International Energy and Environment Foundation with the funds necessary to establish a worldwide technical and economic base for the use of energy from space.


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[Dig]

If he promotes truth and exposes this global warming shit I got no problem believing his story.

Shit I am even falling in love with General Stubblebine these days (totally plutonic of course)

[John Galt]

If he promotes truth and exposes this global warming shit I got no problem believing his story.

Shit I am even falling in love with General Stubblebine these days (totally plutonic of course)

Well, I don't trust Harrison Schmitt at all. Rather than post several paragraphs discussing/analyzing all of what he covered in today's interview, I'll point to the answers he gave at the end of the interview on how they got through the Van Allen radiation belt. I'm glad Alex got that in  

Schmitt first answered with a question of his own, "how do you think the film got through?"', before continuing this answer with "we got through there (the belt) very fast."

I really wish I knew more about (a) how quickly were the astronauts able to get through the Van Allen Belt, and (b) how radioactive are conditions really in the Van Allen Belt. I'm trying to read the wikipedia page on it, but it appears I'm going to have to do more research.

I also didn't like Schmitt's programmed answer on why the stars didn't show up in his classic earth-from-the-moon shots. The man comes across as brainwashed when discussing it. Standard operation procedure, I imagine.

~jg

[John Galt]

For the record, my 'quoting' in the prior post was incorrect. Here is the actual transcript of the final question and answer from today's Alex Jones interview with Harrison Schmitt:

Jones:
"How did the film make it back through the Van Allen radiation belt?"

Schmitt:
"Well that belt doesn't have that much radiation. If it was going to damage the film, it would have damaged us. (laughs, then pauses) There is radiation there, and if you lingered in it over time you could (get) a dose that could be a problem. But we went through it so fast that there wasn't any significant dose on the film or on us."

[yrpplmean]

I thought this site was interesting to read.




Van Allen Radiation Belt


Bart Sibrel (investigative Journalist):
"every man mission in the history, sky lab special has been below the radiation belt, all except going to the moon."


To protect the Astronauts the capsule would have needed 6 feet of ledge shielding according to physicist Ralph Rene. 
Ralph Rene (Scientist):
"Obviously the only shield they have what was the literally paper thin outer hold of aluminum and those suits consisting of glass fiber some aluminum fiber and silicon rubber"


Bill Kaysing (Moon Hoax Investigator):
"Its very interesting concerning radiation that the astronauts were protected by a thin film of aluminum when here on earth they put a ledge shield on us when they take a dental x-ray "



Dr. Geoffrey Reeves (Space Physicist):
"The magnetic storm would come along and that can increase the intensity of the radiation belts by maybe a thousand times above what it was before"


According to Rene Apollo 16 mission coincided with one of the sun's most intense storm ever recorded


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Challenges and responses

1. The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation from the Van Allen radiation belt and galactic ambient radiation (see Radiation poisoning). Some hoax theorists have suggested that Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear testing in 1962) was a failed attempt to disrupt the Van Allen belts.

* The Moon is ten times higher than the Van Allen radiation belts. The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the metal hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions. Dosimeters carried by the crews showed they received about the same cumulative dosage as a chest X-ray or about 1 milligray. Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.

* The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip.

2. Film in the cameras would have been fogged by this radiation.

* The film was kept in metal containers that prevented radiation from fogging the film's emulsion. In addition, film carried by unmanned lunar probes such as the Lunar Orbiter and Luna 3 (which used on-board film development processes) was not fogged.

3. The Moon's surface during the daytime is so hot that camera film would have melted.

* There is no atmosphere to efficiently couple lunar surface heat to devices such as cameras not in direct contact with it. In a vacuum, only radiation remains as a heat transfer mechanism. The physics of radiative heat transfer are thoroughly understood, and the proper use of passive optical coatings and paints was adequate to control the temperature of the film within the cameras; lunar module temperatures were controlled with similar coatings that gave it its gold color. Also, while the Moon's surface does get very hot at lunar noon, every Apollo landing was made shortly after lunar sunrise at the landing site. During the longer stays, the astronauts did notice increased cooling loads on their spacesuits as the sun continued to rise and the surface temperature increased, but the effect was easily countered by the passive and active cooling systems.

4. The Apollo 16 crew should not have survived a big solar flare firing out when they were on their way to the Moon. "They should have been fried."

* No large solar flare occurred during the flight of Apollo 16. There were large solar flares in August 1972, after Apollo 16 returned to Earth and before the flight of Apollo 17.

http://www.bigmantra.com/man_on_moon/radiation.html

[Unintelligable Name]

Shit I am even falling in love with General Stubblebine these days (totally plutonic of course)

http://www.psitech.net/
http://www.psitech.net/lecture.htm
http://www.remoteviewed.com/remote_viewing_history_military.htm

http://www.psitech.net/images/splash_r1_c1.jpg

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/people1.html

Hur hur hur....

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/people.html#laibow

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/places.html#monroe

That Monroe fellow is beyond strange... talk about a creepy voice....

I'll keep spook master spy at the end of my 10 foot pole.

[Unintelligable Name]

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/people.html#alexander -- Makes it a lot more interesting, especially this man's connection to Smirnov....

Anyhow their foundation thing does good in raising awareness.... beyond that.... I have my doubts...

OMFG an Alien!



errr something.

[iceman2]

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/people.html#alexander -- Makes it a lot more interesting, especially this man's connection to Smirnov....

Anyhow their foundation thing does good in raising awareness.... beyond that.... I have my doubts...

OMFG an Alien!



errr something.

No, No, They will say FAKE! FAKE! guaranteed. 

[Jackson Holly]

R A D I A T I O N

Check out this MUST SEE NASA video first posted by jerseyshoredave a few pages back:


http://video.csupomona.edu/NASA/DestinationTomorrow25-245.asx


They do NOT sound like they went to the moon and back Nine(?) times already. Sounds more like they are at first base/ground zero. Certainly NOT a tiny little problem that they can poo-poo.

They were VERY LUCKY back in the day!

[Unintelligable Name]

No, No, They will say FAKE! FAKE! guaranteed.  

I know that brother. I was making fun of Stubblebine and Laibow.

[JTCoyoté]

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything here - just a great site of NASA APOLLO 11 images - something to look at as we ponder some of the questions being raised here:

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html



Whole Moon photographed with an 8-inch newtonian with 1.2-m focal length.
(Right) Tranquility Base Close-up photographed with a 7-inch refractor with 12-m effective focal length (3-meter prime focal length of the refractor is 3m increased by a 4x Barlow-lens), Philipps TuoCam webcam, single frame shot, enhanced with unsharp masking.

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Jackson,

After the interview with Harrison Schmitt yesterday, I went back and began reading this entire thread once again, and I have come across one or two posts that were addressed toward points I was making, but I didn't answer at the time and this is one them. The photographs you display here, are quite nice and show what can be done with a properly mounted and utilized backyard telescope. Not that you would have any luck seeing lunar lander platforms and such on the moon with such an instrument...

In any case the area in red and the blow up to the right, is 120 miles high, by 180 miles wide, which covers an area of 21,600 sq. mi. Now just to give a bit of scaling to this area... you could put the entire states of Massachusetts, New Jersey, Delaware, and Rhode Island, into this square you have drawn here, and have enough room left to squeeze in Manhattan Island and Washington DC to boot...

JTCoyoté

"Liberty is definitely threatened under this current political environment,
and we, just all of us who believe in liberty, are going to have to begin
to take steps to counter it. And it's encouraging to see the governors
and legislatures of a few states, are starting to push back in terms of
gaining a founders interpretation of the 10th Amendment, namely that
amendment that leaves everything not enumerated in the Constitution
to the authority of the private sector or to the states. So this, I think is
a very, very, encouraging trend." ~Astronaut Harrison Schmitt,
on the Alex Jones Show, 07/31/09

[JTCoyoté]

In any case, back when this thread first started, Jackson posted a photograph taken from HiRISE, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter... showing this shot of Opportunity on Mars...

Well, as of 17 July, we have photographs in high resolution from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, (LRO) of five, so far, of the Apollo landing sites, including their lunar module landing/launch platforms... I believe that the labels are wrong, A14 is actually A15, A16, or A17... there was no rover on 14... 15 was the first... anyway, if you look close in the bottom pic, you can see the wheel tracks and then the rover at the end of the trail, I believe the bottom photo is actually of A17.


http://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/moon_missions/

--Oldyoti

"The tax power has been used by the national
government as a weapon to take over, one by
one, subjects traditionally within the orbit of
state police power." ~Chief Justice Taft

[iceman2]

R A D I A T I O N

Check out this MUST SEE NASA video first posted by jerseyshoredave a few pages back:


http://video.csupomona.edu/NASA/DestinationTomorrow25-245.asx


They do NOT sound like they went to the moon and back Nine(?) times already. Sounds more like they are at first base/ground zero. Certainly NOT a tiny little problem that they can poo-poo.

They were VERY LUCKY back in the day!

Well listening to this: I have got to agree with you on this point, but again for me the jury has alway been out on that point, normal  government bull shhhhhhhit

[iks83]

R A D I A T I O N

Check out this MUST SEE NASA video first posted by jerseyshoredave a few pages back:


http://video.csupomona.edu/NASA/DestinationTomorrow25-245.asx


They do NOT sound like they went to the moon and back Nine(?) times already. Sounds more like they are at first base/ground zero. Certainly NOT a tiny little problem that they can poo-poo.

They were VERY LUCKY back in the day!

Another person who has no idea what hes talking about and putting things out of context. See... radiation is dangerous BUT it also depends on the time you are exposed to it. Now what is a more serious problem... radiation you receive during a 8 day mission to the moon or during a 6 month travel to mars? Or 10 years living on the moon surface? They are talking about long term stay in space not proteced by the earths magnetic shield. The debate is so silly and I'm shocked why people can't grasp the simplest things. And Alex had to make an idiot of himself asking the astronaut about the moon hoax and radiation destroying the photos. Why? Why does the short time the film was "exposed" to radioation destroy the film? It was somewhat protected in the camera itself and the amount of radiation it received is like the same when you lay your film on the table for 2 days in direct sunlight. Of course if they stayed up there for a month or so no footage would have made it back.