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Author Topic: NASA!!!...Psy-op, Photoshop, Terra-forming... What's Up, NASA?  (Read 223284 times)
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« Reply #1240 on: July 15, 2009, 10:30:17 AM »

What again is wrong with checking the heat resistance of duct tape?
It was a dumb-ass experiment and it has already been expalined in this thread but once again it was probably using words that you don't want to hear.

You are another who does NOT understand radiation.

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What is so exotic about advanced Spacecraft?
We don't/never had the technology to go to the moon but we have advanced spacecraft?

O..K...

I think it's clear what we are dealing with here.

Hey burlguy, what do think about the secret transmission from the moon by Armstrong when he saw aliens watching them?

Also you know when Apollo 8 send the coded message back about "Houston please be informed there is a santa claus" after coming from the dark side of the moon.. they saw the alien bases didn't they and that's what they were really telling mission control?

Buzz Aldrin saw a UFO on the way to the moon? Am I right?

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« Reply #1241 on: July 15, 2009, 10:31:50 AM »

That is a pretty amazing mindset that can do that.

Yeah pretty ingenious, almost like something deceptive nazi's might think of, like coercing elites to have sexual relations with fake grey aliens so that they could then blackmail 'em...

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Grey Aliens and Nazi UFOs
http://www.reflectionsinthenight.com/grey_aliens.htm


The grey alien is a creation of Nazi innovation.  An alien being was needed to accompany the secret advanced flying machines made during WWII in Germany, which after the war developed into the Nazi UFO hoax in America.  What was their secret formula in creating the grey aliens?  Let’s start with the stocking mask.  It turns out the nylon stocking was useful for more than just a gift to the ladies.  In fact the stocking mask was the precursor of the ski mask so often used today in many a bank robbery.  The stocking contorts the face down to the bones and removes a person’s individual facial features.  The ears become just two holes and the nose (on a child) becomes two nostrils instead.  The mouth becomes a nonfunctional slit.  And the eyes disappear altogether.  Why it makes you look almost alien; except for the eyes.  One could add a nice pair of WWII army surplus goggles to hide the lack of eyes.  Oh wait; if one hides the elastic on the goggles, each lens (which is almond shaped) becomes an eye.  Cool!  If the stocking is wrapped around the head, covering the hair, the head becomes bigger and bald. Add a little white bath powder to blend it all together. And, oh did I mention that the Nazis liked to use children, specifically little girls.  The Nazis were not only innovative; they were cheap.  The little grey alien doesn’t even get clothes, but has to run around in the cold night air naked.  Berrrrr.

The grey aliens were a part of a larger program of mind control, especially of cult-connected members (victims.)  No one comes back from an abduction with anything good to say about grey aliens because they were a substitute in what used to be “Satan” programming, as in Satan is watching you, only now it’s the greys and they are inserting implants and watching you.  Same difference.  Both Satan and grey aliens also like animal mutilations, not to mention both are involved in the sexual creation of hybrids, Satan-human and alien-human.  Who would like an alien that mimics Satan?  Actually I consider that view unfair.  When I was a grey alien I just stood there, cold and scared, ready to piss in my pants, if I had been allowed to wear them.

What are grey aliens good for?  They can’t reproduce to make more grey aliens.  This is true since they only used prepubescent females and then called them adult males.  The Nazis seemed confused on this issue. Maybe the grey aliens had long life spans; which might enable them to travel in their Nazi UFO many millions of light years from home.  At any rate they turned out to be enormously popular with the general public and cult alike. Two of the original space aliens, the Venusians and the Greys, were created out of women and children the Nazis already controlled, their army of Beta sex slaves.  Sex trafficking and blackmail is one of the big guns in the Nazi war on sanity.  With the Earth going to hell as we speak, the Nazis have supplied us with an otherworld salvation, about which we have a choice.  We can all form a One World Government to fight the alien invasion, or we can all form a One World Government to follow our alien overlords, its up to you.
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You really have no clue what NASA is all about do you? You somehow think that showing the public suspect video/photos using the "good american blue blooded astronauts" and having a separate secret program with advanced technology is in any way difficult to rationalize? Are you serious? Do you know anyone that works at Area 51? Do you know why? Does area 51 exist? what is going on over there? you think the videos they show you from cape canaveral are the only things being blasted into space?
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« Reply #1242 on: July 15, 2009, 10:32:29 AM »

You will go round and round on this issue until you confront the fact that there are two space programs.

I will until you can provide some evidence for it.
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« Reply #1243 on: July 15, 2009, 10:33:55 AM »

You really have no clue what NASA is all about do you?

Actually the complete opposite is true.

I would actually like to see some evidence for what you are saying.
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« Reply #1244 on: July 15, 2009, 10:37:14 AM »

Actually the complete opposite is true.

I would actually like to see some evidence for what you are saying.

The entire purpose of NASA is to help steal your unborn grandchildren's labor earnings while deceiving the world. There is no other purpose. They are run by G7 bankers and helped with 9/11 and other false flags. They do not give a shit about any American citizen and are run by Nazis on behalf of the international banking cartel. Maybe you should try and find out what Gary McKinnon knows.
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« Reply #1245 on: July 15, 2009, 10:39:03 AM »

The entire purpose of NASA is to help steal your unborn grandchildren's labor earnings while deceiving the world. There is no other purpose. They are run by G7 bankers and helped with 9/11 and other false flags. They do not give a shit about any American citizen and are run by Nazis on behalf of the international banking cartel.

But Sane you're not posting any evidence. Assertion is not evidence.

You're better than this.. normally.

Is this because you're pissed at me about north citgo?

You weren't interested in this thread until earlier today.
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« Reply #1246 on: July 15, 2009, 10:42:25 AM »

But Sane you're not posting any evidence. Assertion is not evidence.

Evidence is not available due to NWO security (just kidding, I thought a lot of this stuff was common knowledge, I will dig)

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That is an absolute lie! Wink

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Is this because you're pissed at me about north citgo?

I have no idea what that means

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You weren't interested in this thread until earlier today.

I was interested in it, just kept watching the back and forth until finally saw the roll of duct tape and all of the apologist theory about it and could take it no longer.
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« Reply #1247 on: July 15, 2009, 10:45:05 AM »

I was interested in it, just kept watching the back and forth until finally saw the roll of duct tape and all of the apologist theory about it and could take it no longer.

You have still to provide an engineering reason why kapton tape, teflon tape and indeed ordinary duct tape is not suitable for the purposes they were used in Apollo.
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« Reply #1248 on: July 15, 2009, 10:49:02 AM »

You have still to provide an engineering reason why kapton tape, teflon tape and indeed ordinary duct tape is not suitable for the purposes they were used in Apollo.

because they suck ass.

hey, grab some popcorn and watch this for the next 49 minutes (and please stop acting like you work for NIST with these outlandish demands that we prove something when NASA has lost every single tape of all moon landings, look at the big picture): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNsah-0vpY
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« Reply #1249 on: July 15, 2009, 10:50:40 AM »

Are you aware there are thousands of satellites orbiting the earth in "the vacuum of space" working perfectly well with kapton?

Kapton is heat resistant and highly reflective (clue for the boneheads who don't understand radiation).
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« Reply #1250 on: July 15, 2009, 10:51:19 AM »

because they suck ass.

So you can't think of a good reason.

Ok.. so long as we know.
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« Reply #1251 on: July 15, 2009, 10:51:31 AM »

Whistleblower's evidence of NASA UFO fraud might kill UK hacker case
http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2009m1d15-Whistleblowers-evidence-of-NASA-UFO-fraud-might-kill-UK-hacker-case
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Evidence that U.S. space agency NASA has defrauded U.S. taxpayers for billions of dollars could scrap NASA’s case against UK hacker Gary McKinnon. Credible witnesses have claimed that NASA has altered or destroyed its photos containing images of UFOs. This could become a legal and public relations nightmare for NASA.

The space agency is attempting to prosecute McKinnon for hacking into NASA computer files. McKinnon has stated that he saw UFO-related files in NASA’s computers. But NASA has denied any “cover-up”.

NASA’s claim of innocence faces a serious challenge. Some of the whistleblowers are former NASA employees and contractors with inside knowledge of NASA’s operation. If NASA’s destruction of public property is confirmed, the alleged cost of McKinnon’s hacking would be insignificant compared to NASA’s annual funding of more than $17 billion. Even worse, NASA’s year 2000 mission statement boasted that it is “ethical and honest” in all that they do.

Part of NASA's mission is to look for signs of intelligent life in outer space. So asking for more money to 'look', after they've already destroyed evidence that they  'found', is a not going to be easy.

Among these whistleblowers are US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe, former NASA employee Donna Hare, and former NASA engineer John Schuessler. Wolfe and Hare exposed some of NASA’s misdeeds at the May 9, 2001 Disclosure Project press conference in Washington, D.C. They both offered to give similar testimony before the U.S. Congress.


According to the Disclosure Project:

Donna Hare had a secret clearance while working for NASA contractor, Philco Ford. She testifies that she was shown a photo of a picture with a distinct UFO. Her colleague explained that it was his job to airbrush such evidence of UFOs out of photographs before they were released to the public. She also heard information from other Johnson Space Center employees that some astronauts had seen extraterrestrial craft and that when some of them wanted to speak out about this they were threatened.” [See Hare’s testimony at 100:10 minutes into the May 9, 2001 Disclosure Project press conference.


“Sergeant Karl Wolfe was in the Air Force for 4 and 1/2 years beginning in January 1964. He had a top-secret crypto clearance and worked with the tactical air command at Langley AFB in Virginia. While working at a NSA [National Security Agency] facility he was shown photographs taken by the Lunar Orbiter of the moon that showed detailed artificial structures. These photos were taken prior to the Apollo landing in 1969. [See Wolfe’s testimony at 57:50 minutes into the May 9, 2001 Disclosure Project press conference.

John Schuessler is a Denver area resident and retired aerospace engineer from Lockheed Martin. He worked at NASA on nearly every manned U.S. space flight since its inception. In a March 19, 2008 lecture in Lakewood, CO, Schuessler talked about seeing an unfamiliar photo from one of the Apollo moon landings. Schuessler said:

“I went to a conference in Canada, in Toronto. I think it was [19]82. A guy came up to me and said ‘I’ve got this NASA photo. Do you recognize this?’  And it was an Apollo shot. And it was an official lithograph that they release. I’ve got hundreds of these lithographs.

I didn’t have that one. And they are all numbered. They have a photograph number on them and on the back of them is printed the information about what it is. This photograph had a UFO in the background.

So as soon as I got back to Houston I went to the photo lab and told them I’d like to look at the Apollo photos. And we’re old friends you know, so they said ‘sure here’s the rack of them.’

So I went down through the rack of the Apollo photos and the numbers sequentially. And I got to a series of numbers, that this one was in the middle of, and there were no photos. They were all missing. And I said ‘well where are these photos?’  He said, ‘well it’s like all these others, the film was bad.’ And I had seen the thing first hand with the NASA printing on it so I know it came out. But it was withdrawn.”
 
Schuessler was also the co-founder of MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) International and its past Director. It was Schuessler’s story of the missing NASA UFO photo that was largely responsible for inspiring the ballot initiative to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission in Denver.

NASA seems intent on making an example of UK hacker Gary McKinnon. In the end, the public might be intent on making an example of NASA. After all, how can NASA keep getting $17 billion a year during an economic crisis after taxpayers find out NASA has been lying to them for decades and squandering their hard-earned money? The legal experts should ask, “is it a crime for someone to hack into a government agency that is committing a much bigger crime?”

There's talk that McKinnon might serve up to 60-70 years in prison if found guilty. So what is the maximum sentence for NASA officials if found guilty of defrauding taxpayers? On Jan. 20, an UK judge is expected to make a final decision on McKinnon’s extradition to the U.S. That gives NASA less than one week to avoid a collision with reality.

“Earth to NASA, you have a problem!”

 
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« Reply #1252 on: July 15, 2009, 10:53:34 AM »

Are you aware there are thousands of satellites orbiting the earth in "the vacuum of space" working perfectly well with kapton?

Kapton is heat resistant and highly reflective (clue for the boneheads who don't understand radiation).

I heard klaptn tape can give you Chlamydia...really dude watch the interview instead of getting bogged down in one of the over 1,000 inconsistencies with NASA and the truth.
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« Reply #1253 on: July 15, 2009, 10:53:55 AM »

We didn't go to the moon but we encountered aliens while we were there.

Yeah..
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« Reply #1254 on: July 15, 2009, 10:54:35 AM »

I heard klaptn tape can give you Chlamydia...really dude watch the interview instead of getting bogged down in one of the over 1,000 inconsistencies with NASA and the truth.

Just admit you know nothing about Apollo and the way it used tape.
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« Reply #1255 on: July 15, 2009, 10:55:10 AM »

Hey look at the origins of NASA...

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14 October 2000
http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/yspace/articles/nazis.htm
NASA and Nazis - Origins of the US Space Program

In 1994, Carl Sagan wrote in his book, "Pale Blue Dot":

Sending people to orbit the Earth or robots to orbit the Sun requires rockets--big, reliable, powerful rockets. Those same rockets can be used for nuclear war. The same technology that transports a man to the Moon can carry nuclear warheads halfway around the world. The same technology that puts an astromonmer and a telescope in Earth orbit can also put up a laser "battle station." Even back then (in the 1960's), there was fanciful talk in military circles, East and West, about space as the new "high ground," about the nation that "controlled" space "controlling" the Earth. . . . Apollo was not mainly about science. It was not even mainly about space. Apollo was about ideological confrontation and nuclear war--often described by such euphemisms as world "leadership" and national "prestige.". . . When President Kennedy formulated the Apollo program, the Defense Department had a slew of space projects under development--ways of carrying military personnel up into space, means of conveying them around the Earth, robot weapons on orbiting platforms intended to shoot down satellites and ballistic missiles of other nations. . .

Not much has changed, has it?

Understanding that these rockets directly evolved from Nazi scientists, using slave labor from concentration camps, brings the tale of nuclear weapons full circle.

And as David Krieger once pointed out, nuclear weapons are the equivalent of the Nazi crematoriums, patiently waiting to be delivered to countless millions of new victims.

The legacy of Hitler is alive and well.

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ARTHUR RUDOLPH OF DORA AND NASA
By Linda Hunt

In 1969, Americans cheered as our astronauts took their first steps onto the moon. The giant rocket that blasted them into space was Arthur Rudolph's crowning achievement as NASA's project director for Saturn V.

Fifteen years later, Rudolph relinquished his U.S. citizenship and left the country rather than face Justice Department charges that he had committed war crimes while working in an underground factory that had used Dora concentration camp prisoners as slave labor. The charges stemmed from Rudolph's "complicity in the abuse and persecution of concentration camp inmates who were employed by the thousands as slave laborers under his direct supervision," according to former Justice prosecutor Eli Rosenbaum, who directed the Rudolph case.

Dora played a significant role not only in Hitler's efforts to win the war, but in the lives of Rudolph, Wernher von Braun, and other German rocket scientists who are now touted as American heroes in our history books. Ironically, except for two books by French survivors, Dora's history has been totally ignored by Holocaust historians. Rudolph's supporters, however, currently use every opportunity to claim there were no Jews at the factory, prisoners were "well fed," and reports of "alleged" deaths were nothing but KGB propaganda.

As a result, publicity surrounding Rudolph's case reeked with Holocaust revisionism, perpetuating what survivor Jean Michel describes in his book Dora as the "monstrous distortion of history" that "has given birth to false, foul, and suspect myths."

Dora's camp records, however, quickly dispel those myths. Sixty thousand prisoners passed through Dora in the brief year and a half the camp existed. United Nations and U.S. Army records reveal that at least 25,000 never got out alive. They were starved, beaten, hanged, and literally worked to death building Hitler's secret weapon, the V-2 rocket. "The method of extermination was not the gas chamber, but .of working them to death," said a U.S. Army prosecutor in 1947.

This account is based on records from U.S. Army v. Kurt Andrae, Albert Speer 's Inside the Third Reich, U.S. Army 104th Infantry reports, personal interviews, and documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act from the National Archives, Army Intelligence and Justice Department Office of Special Investigations (OSI).

Dora's history began as a result of British air attacks in 1943 that blasted the Peenemunde rocket base into ruins. Peenemunde, located on the Baltic Sea, was a testing ground for Nazi "buzz bombs" and the V-2 rocket. With its building leveled and rocket engineers scattered into the hills, the Nazis sought a safer location to mass-produce V-2 rockets, a site guaranteeing both secrecy and protection against further air attacks.

In the Hartz mountains, located near the city of Nordhausen in central Germany, two enormous tunnels ran parallel through Kohnstein mountain, providing a perfect location for the new factory, called Mittelwerk (Central Works). WIFO, a government company, excavated the tunnels as a bomb-proof storage place for oil and gasoline. Two railroad lines ran the entire length of both tunnels, with enough space for trucks and huge, intricate machinery to line the walls.

Mittelwerk was a combined effort of the Armaments Ministry and the SS. The engineering staff was headed by technical director Albin Sawatzki, an engineer who produced the Tiger tank. Rudolph, who worked at Peenemunde on rocket development and production, was named operations director in charge of V-2 production. When Rudolph was told by Peenemunde's director, Army General Walter Dornberger, "You go with Sawatzki," he and his staff dismantled a pilot production plant and moved to Mittelwerk.

One underground tunnel was complete; the other, partially finished, opened out on the northern side of the mountain. SS General Hans Kammler, who headed the SS construction branch that build Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the gas chambers, was in charge of completing Mittelwerk's tunnels in order to make room for the factory.

Dora was founded as the out-camp of Buchenwald to supply the slave labor to reconstruct Mittelwerk's tunnels and work under SS and civilian engineer supervision building rockets. According to armaments minister Albert Speer, using concentration camp prisoners, who had no contact with the outside world, was SS chief Heinrick Himmler's way of guaranteeing that the plant would be kept secret. "Such prisoners did not even get mail," said Himmler.

Beginning on September 3, 1943, a steady stream of convoys into Dora unloaded 60,000 prisoners from 31 nations - Russians, Poles, Belgians, Italian prisoners of war, members of the French resistance, Jewish children, even a black American flier named Johnny Nicholas. According to Army records, Nicholas told other prisoners he was captured when his plane crashed in France. He worked as a doctor in Dora's hospital. "he was to everybody a mystery, someone unusual because we had never seen a black person in Europe," remembers Dora survivor Sam Taub.

Yves Beon was a member of the French resistance when he was arrested, sent to Buchenwald, and then to this secret place beneath the mountain where he worked as an SS slave. For months, Beon was one of as many of 4,000 prisoners at a time who lived in the freezing cold tunnels, amid lice and filth, digging and carrying huge boulders to clear area for a rocket factory. "We were in the center of the mountain with no air," Beon recalls. "We slept there, we ate there, we spent months there before going outside."

The prisoners - called haeftlingen, "men in arrest" - lived and slept in barracks in the tunnels, surrounded by choking dust and fumes. Hundreds were crushed by rocks, beaten to death, starved, or died from tuberculosis and other diseases. After a December 10, 1943, visit to Mittelwerk, even Speer described conditions as "barbarous" and said his men "were so affected that they had to be forcibly sent off on vacations to restore their nerves."

Bodies of the dead were taken to Buchenwald for burning until Dora's own crematory was built. Dora camp records describe Buchenwald prisoners as so horrified at seeing bodies crushed by boulders or mangled from beatings that they committed suicide upon learning they were to be sent to Dora.

On November 1, 1944, Dora became an independent camp located near the tunnel entrance, with 31 sub-camps scattered around the mountains. While the haeftlingen now lived outside the tunnels, living and working conditions grew worse. Prisoners were hanged, beaten, and terrorized by brutal SS guards from the moment they arrived. A transport of Hungarian Jews, arriving half-dead from Buchenwald, were forced to carry heavy boards to build their own barracks until many dropped dead from exhaustion. Children who arrived with the group were beaten to death in the camp yard because they were too young to work.

Eli Pollach, 16, who lost his family at Auschwitz, worked on the "Sawatzki commando" team in the tunnels loading rocket parts on wagons. Before working a 12-hour shift in the tunnels, Pollach and other prisoners were forced to stand for hours in the camp yard for roll call, then walk for miles under SS guard into the mountain. "We had to go in at six o'clock in the morning into the tunnel," said Pollach. "Some didn't come out, because they died in there."

Mittelwerk's management changed after the Dora camp was built. In the spring of 1944, prisoners and engineers assembled in the tunnels as Georg Rickhey, dressed in full Nazi uniform, announced that he was Mittelwerk's new general manager. Rudolph gained more influence when Sawatzki returned after a month of illness and was transferred to V-1 production. "I was free of his darn interfering," Rudolph told OSI.

Rudolph said he walked through the tunnels once or twice a day and even visited Dora's SS camp commandant Otto Foerschner for a glass of schnapps on a few occasions. Army records show he received daily reports containing information about prisoner's deaths. "I knew that people were dying," he told OSI.

One department subordinate to Rudolph was the Prisoner Labor Supply Office, which West German court records show was responsible for "the quantity of food" the prisoners received, which was "completely inadequate." The department also was in charge of requesting "the required prisoner labor supply" from Dora's SS labor allocation office headed by SS officer Wilhelm Simon. When asked by OSI if he had gone to the SS and requested that more prisoners be taken from Dora and brought down into that subterranean hellhole to be used as slaves, Rudolph replied, "Yes, I did."

Rudolph claimed that he and Simon tried to improve the prisoners' conditions. In 1947, Simon used that defense when he was tried for war crimes by the U.S. Army. It is significant to note that Army prosecutors rejected his defense, convicted him for being a "sadistic" killer, and sentenced him to life imprisonment.

There is extensive evidence that civilian engineers subordinate to Rudolph beat prisoners and caused some to be hanged. Army records identify Rudolph's subordinates, including his deputy, Karl Seidenstucker, by name as abusers of prisoners. Georg Finkenzeller testified, "practically all civilians who were working in the Prisoners' Labor Allocation" either ordered the punishment of prisoners or "carried out beating on their own."

Abuses by civilians became so widespread that on June 22, 1944, Mittelwerk personnel, including Rudolph, were warned in writing by the SS and Rickhey that punishment of prisoners was supposed to be the SS's exclusive domain. Dora's camp doctor had complained that prisoners were being hospitalized for being "beaten or even stabbed with sharp instruments by civilian employees for any petty offense."

Peenemunde officials were well aware of Mittelwerk's deplorable conditions. Army documents show that Wernher von Braun, whose brother Magnus was in charge of gyroscope production at Mittelwerk, frequently visited the factory. "I saw Mittelwerk several times, once while these prisoners were blasting tunnels in there, and it was really a pretty hellish environment," said von Braun in a 1971 interview. "The conditions there were absolutely horrible."

Knowing about the conditions didn't stop von Braun from attending a meeting in Rickhey's office on May 6, 1944, to discuss slave labor, according to documents found by Eli Rosenbaum. Other Nazis on the list as attending the meeting, and who later lived in America, include Rudolph, Rickhey, General Walter Dornberger, Hans Friederich, Ernst Steinhoff, and Hans Lindenberg.

The group discussed bringing more innocent civilians from France to Mittelwerk as slaves and the requirement that Frenchmen wear striped prisoner uniforms. "it will be possible to utilize French workers in the Mittelwerk only if dressed in appropriate clothing," notes the menu, which does not indicate any objections to the proposal.

Despite vicious living and working conditions, Dora prisoners found subtle ways to fight back. When the V-2s produced at Mittelwerk were test-fired at a proving ground in Poland, many of the missiles disintegrated soon after launch. Dieter Grau, a Peenemunde engineer, was sent by Wernher von Braun to Mittelwerk to find out why the rockets failed to operate properly. During an inspection, Grau found that prisoners had sabotaged the rockets. "They knew where they could tighten or loosen a screw, and this way tried to interfere with the proper function of the missile," Grau said in a 1971 interview with another author.

The prisoners sabotaged rockets by urinating on wiring, removing vital parts, and loosening screws. "It was common practice," says Beon, who sabotaged the rockets he worked on as a welder by making his welding appear sound when, in fact, the rocket parts were not welded at all. Beon believes their sabotage saved Americans' lives - U.S. troops landing at Normandy would have been killed if the rockets had functioned. "It would have been terrible for the Allies and for the American Army," says Beon.

More than 200 prisoners suspected of sabotage were hanged at Dora or on overhead electric cranes in Mittelwerk's tunnels, in some instances as a direct result of civilians reporting them to the SS. Cecil Jay described to Army prosecutors how one prisoner was caught making a metal spoon, accused of sabotage, and hanged over his workbench. "The order was given from the civilians to the SS that the prisoners be punished for sabotage, and it was carried out," Jay said.

In one case, 12 prisoners were simultaneously hanged on an overhead crane near Rudolph's office. With their hands tied behind their backs and wooden sticks in their mouths to stifle screams, the electric crane slowly lifted them above a crowd of engineers and prisoners gathered in the tunnel. "Instead of letting them drop and killing them on the spot immediately, they let them hang very slowly with pain that's absolutely horrible," says Beon, who knew if he was caught sabotaging rockets he could be hanged next. "But as I knew I would never get out of Dora, what's the difference?"

When they died, prisoners were taken to Dora's crematory and burned. Bodies were emaciated to such an extent that the oven could take as many as four at a time. "They would pull out from the hospital hundreds of people," remembers Taub. "They were put into the crematory - it was going day and night, burning."

As the war progressed, frantic work speed-ups to mass produce more rockets caused prisoners to drop dead like flies. Those who became ill or too weak to work were sent to other camps and killed. Dora hospital records show from January 6 to March 26, 1944, 3,000 "sick and exhausted liquidation camp Lublin. Reports note that except for a few, there was "no chance" for prisoners, riding in cold freight cars in the middle of winter with no food, even to live out the trip.

Jean Michel had been a leader of the French resistance in Paris before his imprisonment at Dora. In late 1944, he organized a French underground movement among prisoners. "Everybody knew that the SS had decided to kill everybody at the end of the war," Michel said in an interview. "So, I decided to try to do something about it."

The group was caught, arrested by the SS, and jailed. Some of the group were beaten to death by the SS during interrogations in a small cell. "I would have been hanged if the end of the war didn't arrive as it happened," says Michel, who was awarded the French Legion of Honor and the American Medal of Freedom after the war.

In the beginning of April 1945, as American troops advanced rapidly into the area, Mittelwerk's civilian engineers fled into the mountains amid rumors that the SS would kill them rather than let their secrets fall into Allied hands.

For some, such as Arthur Rudolph, the end of the war was the beginning of a new adventure and life in America, where he would eventually work for the U.S. Army and NASA. For the haeftlingen, it was a massacre. The SS planned to force the prisoners into the tunnels, wall them in, and gas them. Instead, 2,000 were taken from Dora and its sub-camps under heavy SS guard on foot, by cart and train, westward to the town of Gardelegen. Less than half survived the trip after days of being starved, beaten, and shot.

On the afternoon of April 13, 100 SS. Luftwaffe, and labor front soldiers forced the 1,100 remaining prisoners inside a barn. SS troops spread gasoline on the straw-covered floor and locked the prisoners inside. For the rest of the night, the troops threw hand grenades, shot flares, and fired bullets into the barn, burning it to the ground. Two days later, American troops found charred remains and fewer than 20 prisoners left alive.

Meanwhile, the city of Nordhausen surrendered after American attacks on April 11, 1945. The battle-tired men of the 104th "Timberwolf" Infantry Division were combat wise - blood and all kinds of hell were daily routine - but what the Timberwolves found on the outskirts of Nordhausen made them howl with rage.

Colonel James L. Collins was leading an infantry unit when his liaison officer called over the radio. "Colonel," he said, "you'd better get up here and see what we've got. It's terrible." Collins moved ahead of the unit and went into the camp.

On the hill was the huge cavelike entrance to the factory; 6,000 bodies covered the ground as far as the eye could see. Rows upon rows of skin-covered skeletons were frozen solid in grotesque shapes, bearing bruises and wounds from beatings. "They had been starved to death," said Collins. "Their arms were just little sticks, their legs had practically no flesh on them at all."

Army medic David Malachowsky heard machine guns fire. When he went over the hill, he found the SS frantically trying to finish the job. "They had a bunch of prisoners lined up against the fence and were gunning them down," said Malachowsky.

As an infantryman, Hugh Carey saw Nazi cruelty when fighting SS divisions, but was unprepared for Dora. Survivors, barely alive, wandered around lost and dazed; others lay as they had fallen - starved, stacked like cordwood, discolored, and lying in indescribable filth. "We had never seen civilian human beings put into a mass torture shop in order to build weapons," said Carey.

Bombs from Allied air attacks had ripped large holes in the two-story structures used to pen the prisoners. The bombs had ground flesh and bones into the cement floor. As the soldiers moved through the choking stench of death, they found the still-smoldering furnaces of Dora's crematory. "The doors were open when we got there, where they had been shoveling people in and burning them up," said Collins.

As more American troops entered the area, Malachowsky and other medics fed and cared for those few prisoners who survived. Another unit stood guard as 100 Nordhausen townspeople and captured SS moved the dead and dug graves with their bare hands. In the tunnel, a special American unit called "T-Forces" loaded V-2 rockets on truckbeds, then searched the mountainside for Arthur Rudolph and other rocket scientists. Many of these scientists escaped prosecution for war crimes by being sent to the United States to work in its fledgling space program.

Exactly 40 years after the liberation of Dora, in April 1985, the Alabama Space and Rocket Museum paid tribute to 40 Germans who stood surrounded by the press, in front of old V-2s and the Saturn V rocket they helped build for the United States. Inside the museum, dozens of awards lay encased in glass as a memorial to Wernher von Braun.

There is no monument to Dora - Americans do not wish to be reminded of what Jean Michel said about the day that U.S. astronauts first walked on the moon: "I could not watch the Apollo mission without remembering that that triumphant walk was made possible by our initiation to inconceivable horror."

Linda Hunt is a Washington DC, based investigative reporter. She won the 1986 Investigative Reporters and Editors Award for her article "U.S. Cover-up of Nazi Scientists" in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (April 1985). She is former executive producer of Cable News Network's investigative unit. Her book "Secret Agenda" details this horrible story and "Operation Paperclip" that brought over 1,600 Nazi scientist to the U.S. to work for the Pentagon.


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NASA and Nazis - Origins of the US Space Program
ARMY LAUNCHED SPACE PROGRAM
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From the Redstone Army Arsenal website http://www.redstone.army.mil/

Most people, when they think about space, think NASA. While it's true that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration is currently responsible for the remarkable exploration into space and beyond, the space race began under the direction of the Army right here at Redstone Arsenal.

While the Arsenal had been designated as the center for Ordnance research and development in the field of rockets in 1948, it would be another two years before the arrival of Dr. Wernher von Braun and his team, who launched the Army into the mission of space exploration.

During World War II, von Braun was technical director at the Peenemunde Rocket Center in Germany. There he and his growing team of specialists built the famous V-2 rocket that established the technological basis for postwar experimentation with even more powerful rockets.

When von Braun and his team recognized that the war was ending and Russian troops would soon occupy Peenemunde, they decided to evacuate the rocket development site. Traveling in caravans by any number of means, the scientists headed south, bluffing their way through German checkpoints, eventually deciding to surrender to American forces. A group of American scientists was dispatched to Europe in 1945 to collect information and equipment related to German rocket research. As a result, the components for approximately 100 V-2 ballistic missiles were recovered and shipped from Germany to White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico. In late 1945, more than 100 members of the von Braun team agreed to come to the United States to work under Army supervision.

Assigned to Fort Bliss, Texas, the Germans and Americans rebuilt, tested and flew the V-2 rockets previously shipped from Germany. As the 1940s closed, the Army expanded its rocket program and moved the von Braun team to Huntsville and to World War II facilities originally used to produce various chemical compounds and pyrotechnical devices. In Huntsville the Germans joined a growing cadre of U.S. rocketry specialists. Working under von Braun, the combined team built missiles to counter Soviet Cold War threats. The most famous was officially named "Redstone" in 1952, in recognition of its development at Redstone Arsenal.

In early 1958, world attention focused on the Huntsville rocket team. Earlier in the decade, von Braun had proposed using a Huntsville rocket to launch an American satellite to beat the Russians into space. Instead, Eisenhower favored a Navy program called Vanguard. Then in October 1957, the Soviets launched Sputnik, the first manmade object ever to orbit the earth. The U.S. countered on Dec. 6 with an effort to launch a Vanguard rocket. Misfortune struck, however, when the rocket exploded in flames on the launch pad. Von Braun got the go-ahead from Washington, and on Jan. 31, 1958, his Huntsville team launched a modified Jupiter-C rocket from the Florida launch site. It carried Explorer I, the nation's first earth-orbiting satellite, and marked the U.S. entry in the space race.

Following Explorer I, American leadership debated over whether the U.S. space program should be administered by a military or civilian agency. The debate resulted in the creation of NASA, a civilian organization, on Oct. 1, 1958. In turn, Eisenhower later signed an executive order indicating that personnel from the Development Operations Division of the Army Ballistic Missile Agency in Huntsville should transfer to NASA.

On Sept. 8, 1960, Eisenhower formally dedicated the George C. Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville as a new field installation of NASA. The Huntsville location was a logical choice because the facilities for building and testing rockets and components already existed at the site. The Center resulted from the transfer in Huntsville of 4,670 Army civil service employees and 1,840 acres of Redstone Arsenal property and facilities worth $100 million. Von Braun was the Center's first director.

The Army's successful satellite launch was but the first in a series of achievements that furthered the nation's space effort. In the 30 months between the successful satellite launch and the formal transfer of the space program to Marshall, the Army placed four earth satellites into orbit; launched the free world's first lunar probe and first solar satellite; launched three primates into space, two of which were recovered alive; initiated effort on a 1.5 million-pound thrust booster being designed for a lunar exploration vehicle; and began work on the launch vehicle which would carry the first men into space.


Response from author/researcher John Judge: Subject:Gen. Walter Dohrnberger

There is little mention in the above of Gen. Walter Dohrnberger in the post-war period, though he came to the United States and played a major role in the conception of space rockets and militarization. He had been the mentor to van Braun and the others, and had gotten them their supplies and labor, even when Hitler was not enthused. Their war crimes extend to the civilian deaths in Europe from the use of their V-rockets as well. von Braun would not cooperate with US authorities, in fact, unless Dohrnberger was spared from any charges and brought to the US as well.

Nearing the end of the war, Dohrnberger had been working on a rocket that would enter outer space with a payload and come down from orbit to avoid radar tracking, with plans to aim at New York City. This idea was the inception of the shuttle.

In 1960, Time magazine mentioned Dohrnberger in their "Where are they now?" column, saying he was living in Buffalo, NY and had been working to design a system of nuclear armed sattelites that would circle the earth and deter other nations. This is Star Wars, 1960!

He is the author of the militarization of space, and his NASA cronies continue their work to this day. I just recently heard one of the Space Command officials say that no civilians can be allowed into outer space. It is all classified territory now, including the Moon and other planets, which they hope to colonize and exploit as well.

Walter Dohrnberger went on to head up Bell Helicopter Division in Dallas/Ft. Worth, where he continued his ties to the Solidarist communities of Nazis and White Russian revanchists, and the military industrial complex.

John F. Kennedy planned a full withdrawal of U.S. military troops from Vietnam by the end of 1964, and ordered the Pentagon to begin in just before his assassination. Those orders were reversed into plans for a 10 year war, costing 57,000 American lives (yes, this was part of the projections), on Monday, November 25, 1963, following a cabinet meeting deciding the matter in Honolulu on the day following his death.

Bell Helicopter systems made millions of dollars in war profits from the Vietnam conflict. Walter Dohrnberger's right hand at Bell Helicopter was Navy intelligence veteran Michael Paine. Paine and his wife Ruth housed Marina Oswald in Irving, Texas and helped get Oswald the job at the Texas Book Depository. Oswald did not shoot President Kennedy, but he was positioned to take the blame.

Dohrnberger went on to train proto-fascist forces abroad, including the SAVAK units of the Shah of Iran, among others. He never paid for any of his many crimes against humanity. Keep up the good work, Bill. And be sure to visit the vonBraun civic center in Huntsville when you meet down there, and give your regards in print to these founders of military control of space.

John Judge

 
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« Reply #1256 on: July 15, 2009, 10:57:13 AM »

We didn't go to the moon but we encountered aliens while we were there.

Yeah..

wha-wha-what?  who said we did not go to the moon? I said that much of the video/pics was faked.  what does one thing have to do with the other? and discovered aliens? please find one post of mine (out of over 29,500) that says we found aliens.
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« Reply #1257 on: July 15, 2009, 10:58:28 AM »

Just admit you know nothing about Apollo and the way it used tape.

ok I admit it, you are right and I am dead wrong...

now please watch the interview.

thanks

[hoping his ego is sufficiently satiated to open his mind to some twooth]
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« Reply #1258 on: July 15, 2009, 11:03:44 AM »

This should give you hours of entertainment:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nasa+nazi
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« Reply #1259 on: July 15, 2009, 11:15:28 AM »

Oh shit, this website is pretty cool:

Military Mad Scientists in UFOs and Nazi-NASA UFO Archive
http://naziufo.blogspot.com/


We are being Visited by the Secret military mad scientists in Flying Saucer-UFOs from the planet Earth who are engaged in MK ULTRA 'Pseudo-Alein-Psycological-Operations' and Human abduction and mutilation of animals in thier Occult-Satanic rites. MK Ultra program 'Greenstar' in operation today: 'Staged Alien Invaision'
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« Reply #1260 on: July 15, 2009, 11:18:25 AM »

So, Sane, you do not say that we didn't go to the Moon? I personally believe firmly that we didn't. Or at least that the Apollo missions didn't...
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« Reply #1261 on: July 15, 2009, 11:19:08 AM »

Vok is never going to listen Sane, believe me, Jackson Holly has tried, after I tried, and I'm sure ppl before me tried in vain as well.

He doesn't want to listen - he just wants to spam his disinfo down everyone's throats

I'd stop wasting your time if I were you
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« Reply #1262 on: July 15, 2009, 11:20:45 AM »

So, Sane, you do not say that we didn't go to the Moon? I personally believe firmly that we didn't. Or at least that the Apollo missions didn't...

yes, i believe that the apollo missions did not (at least the ones we know of-concerning the pics we know of and the puppet astronauts we know of), but I also believe that we have done something on the moon, not sure 'cause it is all part of the secret shit (over 50 years of secrecy).

For those of you who like reading, read "Pentagon Aliens"
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« Reply #1263 on: July 15, 2009, 11:21:40 AM »

wha-wha-what?  who said we did not go to the moon? I said that much of the video/pics was faked.  what does one thing have to do with the other? and discovered aliens? please find one post of mine (out of over 29,500) that says we found aliens.

How could we go to the moon with spaceships held together with duct tape? You were implying that there's something wrong with the spaceships because of the tape?

We did or we didn't go.

If we did it was with tape.

I don't understand your train of thought.
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« Reply #1264 on: July 15, 2009, 11:21:46 AM »

Vok is never going to listen Sane, believe me, Jackson Holly has tried, after I tried, and I'm sure ppl before me tried in vain as well.

He doesn't want to listen - he just wants to spam his disinfo down everyone's throats

I'd stop wasting your time if I were you

I mean, WTF he wants 10,000 points of truth about duct tape but fails to see the bigger picture, it is weird.
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« Reply #1265 on: July 15, 2009, 11:23:37 AM »

How could we go to the moon with spaceships held together with duct tape? You were implying that there's something wrong with the spaceships because of the tape?

We did or we didn't go.

If we did it was with tape.

I don't understand your train of thought.

the pics and video of the apollo mission are doctored.

there is a secret space program

what that program has done/is doing needs to be investigated.

most probably they have gone to the moon and possibly elsewhere.

THESE ARE NOT HARD CONCEPTS TO GRASP AND GO FAR BEYOND DUCT TAPE
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« Reply #1266 on: July 15, 2009, 11:24:22 AM »

I mean, WTF he wants 10,000 points of truth about duct tape but fails to see the bigger picture, it is weird.

Sane, you are showing typical hoax believer behaviour here.

You enter all bullish about having had enough about the tape.

It's then made clear you know nothing about the tape.

So when pressed it's.. "we need to move onto the bigger picture".

It's typical.

Please don't do that.
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« Reply #1267 on: July 15, 2009, 11:27:34 AM »

Sane, you are showing typical hoax believer behaviour here.

You enter all bullish about having had enough about the tape.

It's then made clear you know nothing about the tape.

So when pressed it's.. "we need to move onto the bigger picture".

It's typical.

Please don't do that.

Yeah, you are right, stay with the tape, you will find peace with the tape.  The tape will answer all.

TAPE

SHADOWS

LENS DISCREPENCIES

GRAVITY DISCREPENCIES

FALSE STATEMENTS AND INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS FROM ASTRONAUTS

MISSING NASA FILM

NAZI ORIGINS OF NASA

HISTORY OF DECEPTION

.....

And a thousand other things, but you are right the tape deserves another 20 pages.  You are right and I am wrong. That roll of duct tape is totally normal!
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« Reply #1268 on: July 15, 2009, 11:28:45 AM »

What it boils down to is this, if you don't know what you're talking about when it come to the tape, why should anyone think you are any more of an expert on the 'bigger picture'?
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« Reply #1269 on: July 15, 2009, 11:30:29 AM »

What it boils down to is this, if you don't know what you're talking about when it come to the tape, why should anyone think you are any more of an expert on the 'bigger picture'?

I am no expert about ANYTHING! I do not know shit about ANYTHING! Do not believe ANYTHING I say! WTF? I am asking you to research on your own, do not listen to me. I don't even listen to me. I am wrong at least 5 times a day and I would double/triple check anything I post. I am merely providing areas for you to research which you seem to be incapable of doing because you are completely fixated and paralyzed by duct tape.
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« Reply #1270 on: July 15, 2009, 11:31:48 AM »

YOU came into this thread dissing the tape used on the Apollo program.

You were asked to provide an engineering reason why the various kinds of tape are unsuitable for the purposes NASA put them to.

You have not done that, but instead we now need to get with with the 'bigger picture'.

I think that speaks for itself.
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« Reply #1271 on: July 15, 2009, 11:32:46 AM »

I am asking you to research on your own, do not listen to me. I don't even listen to me. I am wrong at least 5 times a day and I would double/triple check anything I post.

Er... I'll take that as an apology.
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« Reply #1272 on: July 15, 2009, 11:38:19 AM »

Just admit you know nothing about Apollo and the way it used tape.

Do you know why there is duct tape on every NASA flight?!?!?!?!

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Duct-Tape, Tranquilizers Part Of NASA's Plan For Mentally Unstable Astronauts In Space
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x274352
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- What would happen if an astronaut came unglued in space and, say, destroyed the ship's oxygen system or tried to open the hatch and kill everyone aboard?

That was the question on some minds after the apparent breakdown of Lisa Nowak, arrested in Orlando this month on charges she tried to kidnap and kill a woman she regarded as her rival for another astronaut's affections.

It turns out NASA has a detailed set of written procedures for dealing with a suicidal or psychotic astronaut in space. The documents, obtained this week by The Associated Press, say the astronaut's crewmates should bind his wrists and ankles with duct tape, tie him down with a bungee cord and inject him with tranquilizers if necessary.


"Talk with the patient while you are restraining him," the instructions say. "Explain what you are doing, and that you are using a restraint to ensure that he is safe."

The instructions do not spell out what happens after that.
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« Reply #1273 on: July 15, 2009, 11:39:46 AM »

I thought they used phasers on stun for that.
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« Reply #1274 on: July 15, 2009, 11:43:05 AM »

More: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17300028/

Even More:

NASA long ago devised mental breakdown plan
But that was for a psychological crisis in space, not back on Earth
By MARK CARREAU Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle
Feb. 24, 2007, 6:18PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4578209.html


Long before NASA was confronted with an off-duty astronaut's bizarre behavior and arrest in Florida earlier this month, the agency had developed procedures to deal with a mental breakdown in space.

The guidelines were developed to respond to an attempted suicide or severe anxiety, paranoia or hysteria aboard the international space station. Astronauts are instructed to bind the stricken flier's wrists and ankles with duct tape, restrain the torso with bungee cords and administer strong tranquilizers.

The procedures have been in effect for at least six years, but the space agency did not develop any protocols for dealing with astronauts who become unstable while on the ground.

NASA said Friday that it has never had to take the drastic actions outlined in the procedures in 46 years of human space flight.

"If there had been anything like this, you would have heard about it," said James Hartsfield a NASA spokesman. "Our policy is that anything that impacts a mission, any medical matter that impacts a mission, we make it public knowledge."

The directions for dealing with a psychological emergency are included in a 1,051-page NASA document titled the International Space Station Integrated Medical Group Medical Checklist.

The checklist, written in Russian as well as English, was compiled in 2000 and 2001 to coincide with the permanent staffing of the space station. Three dozen astronauts and cosmonauts have lived aboard the orbital outpost for periods of up to six-and-a-half-months since full-time staffing began in early November 2000.

The checklist — NASA posts it on a Web site &mdash includes responses for a range of potential medical emergencies, including severe chest pain, choking, burns, broken bones and severe allergic reactions.

"We try to predict every possible circumstance that could affect a mechanical system or a medical problem. We try to prepare," Hartsfield said. "The checklists deal with anything that a crew emergency might have to deal with, from injuries and illness to systems on board the station."

In response to a psychological emergency, the procedure calls on the colleagues of a stricken astronaut to confer with a flight surgeon in Mission Control as quickly as possible. However, the procedures grant the astronauts authority to restrain and provide medication immediately if the spacecraft is not in contact with Earth.

Another crew member with medical training then should remain with the stricken astronaut to monitor pulse rates while deliberations with Mission Control proceed.

The checklist does not spell out what happens after the emergency phase passes.

But an ultimate decision on whether to take further medical action, or even to end a flight with an emergency landing, would be made by the mission commander after consulting medical experts in Mission Control, according to Hartsfield.

After the Feb. 5 arrest of off-duty astronaut Lisa Nowak at Orlando International Airport in Florida, NASA announced it was reassessing its procedures for screening the mental health of astronauts as well as applicants to the astronaut corps.

Currently, astronaut candidates are tested and screened when they apply. Once they join the astronaut corps, the fliers are expected to seek help with mental-health issues if they need it. Astronauts assigned to space-station crews are monitored closely during their training and during the mission.

Nowak was charged with attempted murder, attempted kidnapping and battery after an alleged confrontation with a woman she considered a romantic rival.

Nowak, 43, who flew on a July shuttle mission, was placed on 30-day leave by NASA after her arrest. Though out on bail, she also was relieved of her duties as lead communications officer in Mission Control for the March flight of Atlantis.

The space agency maintains a separate medical check list for its shuttle crews but has not made the document public .

Hartsfield said the provisions for responding to medical emergencies were similar to those of the space station.

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« Reply #1275 on: July 15, 2009, 11:44:18 AM »

I thought they used phasers on stun for that.

"Er... I'll take that as an apology."

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« Reply #1276 on: July 15, 2009, 01:22:15 PM »

The problem with the proof of the moon hoax is that its bogus. I have yet to see anything those hoax believer peddle that convinces me of any staged moon landing. the only thiong they can come up with is with pictures that supposed to show anomalies proofing the moon landing was staged but in the end they just dont understand physics and tons of other things. Its like with the 9/11 no planers. they believe 2 different camera angles are the same so the shifting buildings are proof of fakery. They cant be convinced otherwise. We went though alot of that kind of stuff in this thread. Every "proof" they use can be explained by 10 more logical and possible reasons than a staged landing. Truth is simple... the more complex things get the more you are off track. Like omfg no tracks of the rover... they used a crane and blablabla... well how about the astronauts were running around the rover doing science stuff and kicking dust around covering the tracks... its obvious when looking at the surface journal (but of course they are all fabricated). there are pictures where you see the tracks are covered over a quite wide area from just one astronaut walking over them. but no you just get shown a picture without any context, told there are no tracks it is fake no moon landing blablabla but its totally bogus. Its disinfo, a deception. Now we point that out and then are called some NASA loving operatives. Why? I was totally a hoax believer but I looked things up and found out its just garbage and have yet to see any proof. And saying Nazis run NASA isnt proof. It explains the occult dates NASA is doing things on, Hitlers birthday and such. Also whats the big deal with Nazis? Geez they still are the most demonized group. Many so called Nazi warcriminals were innocent. They were tortured after the war (often by zionists, look up William Perl) to force confessions and then got hanged. Nothing changed in that regard.

Now can we go back to the moon stuff?

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« Reply #1277 on: July 15, 2009, 01:25:55 PM »


Concerning Sane's theory about two space programs -

I have always been been a firm believer in this as well (so was William Cooper, btw). I mean, you have places like Area 51 and your telling me that they don't have fantastic vehicles whizzing about that are space capable? If you ask me, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they have single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) vehicles right now....
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« Reply #1278 on: July 15, 2009, 02:25:11 PM »


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Long before NASA was confronted with an off-duty astronaut's bizarre behavior and arrest in Florida earlier this month, the agency had developed procedures to deal with a mental breakdown in space.
The guidelines were developed to respond to an attempted suicide or severe anxiety, paranoia or hysteria aboard the international space station. Astronauts are instructed to bind the stricken flier's wrists and ankles with duct tape, restrain the torso with bungee cords and administer strong tranquilizers.

I assume those specs call for the super-duper high temperature duct tape.  Grin
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« Reply #1279 on: July 15, 2009, 02:29:21 PM »

I assume those specs call for the super-duper high temperature duct tape.  Grin

Are you going to present an engineering reason why the various types of tape used on Apollo were unsuitable for the uses that were put to?

If not, then quit the snide comments about something you clearly know nothing about.

You have also proved you know nothing about radiation and the way objects in a vacuum heat up and cool down.

Either present something real or go away.
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