NASA!!!...Psy-op, Photoshop, Terra-forming... What's Up, NASA?

[Jackson Holly]

These are absolutely the smoking gun of the probable facade carried out upon the world..... Could you tell me what page these ling back to. I see they are from photobucket. Is there a site that they have come from?

Some of the stuff I am showing I just dumped in my 'NASA' folder when they turned up in blogs or 'hoax' sites. I believe I could track everything down if I haven't already. I gave a list of pages on my post #372 on this thread, with I believe all the sites I have quoted so far:

http://apollofake.bravehost.com/

At the bottom of each page are links to more similar pages ... click around a little you will find Cinder Lake. If you google 'cinder lake apollo' you will also get other hoax and gov pages talking about it.

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Fly Me To The Moon

Would you fly around the moon in this thing? Me neither!



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Am I going crazy ... what am I missing here? Voskhod3! Help!



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Ooops sorry ... he didn't mention the 1/4" sheet metal!



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[Unintelligable Name]

 

[iks83]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31391403/ns/technology_and_science-space/

That might turn out interesting...

"The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, LCROSS' moon-bound partner craft, will map the moon's surface from orbit with unprecedented detail, capable even of imaging the tracks that lunar rovers left behind. Its high-resolution camera can image the moon to about 12-inch detail (30 centimeters), "which no one has ever had," Colaprete said. The best resolution until now from lunar orbit was roughly 65 feet (20 meters)."

[Jackson Holly]

What really happened inside Langley and other NASA 'Simulator' centers?

Oh, I know this does not prove the hoax hypothesis, but it helps to understand the method by which they certainly COULD have faked the whole thing, a lot easier than actually sending six manned missions to the moon ... in the 60s/early 70s.

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http://www.geocities.com/apolloreality/

INSIDE LANGLEY RESEARCH CENTER



"Size does matter believe me, especially when NASA wanted to create a fake lunar surface as shown in the above picture on left. It literally dwarfs the two men stood in front of it. It's unbelievable the time, trouble and expense that NASA incurred purely to fake the lunar missions."

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"This picture shows a 20' diameter sphere which can be rotated from below. In the left of that picture can be seen a huge blank placard. This is the scene before LRC staff began work on converting the sphere to an authentic looking Moon complete with craters, (for lunar approach) and the placards were to be lunar orbit. Notice also the rail track around placards. These placards formed a gigantic circle, which took up the length and breadth within the building. Note moving trolley on the track. This trolley, which had a movie camera mounted on it, was able to circumnavigate a complete circle of the placards, so as to simulate a lunar orbit. It first began to film the rotating sphere, (lunar approach), it then swung around and began scanning the fake lunar surface on placards, (lunar orbit)."

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This shows a NASA artist working from actual mapping photos as he lays out the fake moon surface.

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"This picture shows the sphere after modeling work. Pretty impressive eh?... (Looks like he is checking the fake moon scale with calipers - ed). Remove that bloke from the picture and you could EASILY pass this photo as being taken by the Apollo command module circling the Moon. It is evident that there were many people involved in the faking of Apollo, and NASA claim that if it were faked someone would have spoken out by now. Well LRC staff are sworn to secrecy, and they must have been 100% in favor of the fakery, otherwise they would not have participated in the first place."

"This sphere had a light inside it which was translucent on the outside, and it enabled the model to have a bright appearance like the Moon itself. The large placards with Moon craters were also backlit. "

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Voila!

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"Picture shows Charlie Duke (pointing), and John Young, at the simulator controls for lunar approach/orbit. The picture on TV screen is reminiscent of the pictures we saw on our TV screens. We were told it was the Moon, but the picture showing on TV screen in photograph is not the Moon. It is a camera filming the plaster paris model of Moon. Both John Young and Charlie Duke were heavily involved in faking of the Apollo Moon missions."

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"This is an interesting photograph, with no reticules, entitled Apollo 11 Moon orbit. Unfortunately the picture was taken at LRC on June 13, 1989. That is 20 years after Apollo was supposed to have been in Moon orbit. This is further proof that LRC were still phaffing around with models of Apollo space capsules/modules long after the saga had finished. Why? The answer is because they were still producing better quality fake photos for future publications/press and any TV programs that might broadcast Apollo. NASA became a bit hot under the collar when approached by Tim Furniss in 1989. He was producing a book entitled "One Small Step". The book was about the Moon missions, and Furniss wanted as many Moon photo's as possible. Unfortunately NASA only had a few pictures, (like those taken in the fake Moonscape), to offer. This would look suspicious, bearing in mind the colossal number of pictures that were supposedly taken on the Moon. NASA had a problem which they never for sore. In order to continue the lies they realized that they would have to produce many more fake pictures for future publications."

(ED - Remember my post about the massive amounts of missing APOLLO material?)

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OK ...  real or faked?




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More here from a German source ... it is a computer translation, a little hard to follow ... but a lot of info:
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/atmosphaerenfahrt/17_simulation-centers-Langley-Houston-ENGL.html

[Voskhod3]

I am not being facetious here ... does anyone have an explanation for this?

I'm back, this is just too good!

I have a deal for Jackson Holly, burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom.

If I prove that the claim put forward in this picture is a steaming pile of cr*p, do you promise to go away and stop posting this sh*t without researching it first?

I suggest you think very carefully first before you answer.

Deal?

[DAVIDENGLAND]

What really happened inside Langley and other NASA 'Simulator' centers?

Oh, I know this does not prove the hoax hypothesis, but it helps to understand the method by which they certainly COULD have faked the whole thing, a lot easier than actually sending six manned missions to the moon ... in the 60s/early 70s.

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http://www.geocities.com/apolloreality/

INSIDE LANGLEY RESEARCH CENTER



"Size does matter believe me, especially when NASA wanted to create a fake lunar surface as shown in the above picture on left. It literally dwarfs the two men stood in front of it. It's unbelievable the time, trouble and expense that NASA incurred purely to fake the lunar missions."

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"This picture shows a 20' diameter sphere which can be rotated from below. In the left of that picture can be seen a huge blank placard. This is the scene before LRC staff began work on converting the sphere to an authentic looking Moon complete with craters, (for lunar approach) and the placards were to be lunar orbit. Notice also the rail track around placards. These placards formed a gigantic circle, which took up the length and breadth within the building. Note moving trolley on the track. This trolley, which had a movie camera mounted on it, was able to circumnavigate a complete circle of the placards, so as to simulate a lunar orbit. It first began to film the rotating sphere, (lunar approach), it then swung around and began scanning the fake lunar surface on placards, (lunar orbit)."

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This shows a NASA artist working from actual mapping photos as he lays out the fake moon surface.

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"This picture shows the sphere after modeling work. Pretty impressive eh?... (Looks like he is checking the fake moon scale with calipers - ed). Remove that bloke from the picture and you could EASILY pass this photo as being taken by the Apollo command module circling the Moon. It is evident that there were many people involved in the faking of Apollo, and NASA claim that if it were faked someone would have spoken out by now. Well LRC staff are sworn to secrecy, and they must have been 100% in favor of the fakery, otherwise they would not have participated in the first place."

"This sphere had a light inside it which was translucent on the outside, and it enabled the model to have a bright appearance like the Moon itself. The large placards with Moon craters were also backlit. "

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Voila!

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"Picture shows Charlie Duke (pointing), and John Young, at the simulator controls for lunar approach/orbit. The picture on TV screen is reminiscent of the pictures we saw on our TV screens. We were told it was the Moon, but the picture showing on TV screen in photograph is not the Moon. It is a camera filming the plaster paris model of Moon. Both John Young and Charlie Duke were heavily involved in faking of the Apollo Moon missions."

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"This is an interesting photograph, with no reticules, entitled Apollo 11 Moon orbit. Unfortunately the picture was taken at LRC on June 13, 1989. That is 20 years after Apollo was supposed to have been in Moon orbit. This is further proof that LRC were still phaffing around with models of Apollo space capsules/modules long after the saga had finished. Why? The answer is because they were still producing better quality fake photos for future publications/press and any TV programs that might broadcast Apollo. NASA became a bit hot under the collar when approached by Tim Furniss in 1989. He was producing a book entitled "One Small Step". The book was about the Moon missions, and Furniss wanted as many Moon photo's as possible. Unfortunately NASA only had a few pictures, (like those taken in the fake Moonscape), to offer. This would look suspicious, bearing in mind the colossal number of pictures that were supposedly taken on the Moon. NASA had a problem which they never for sore. In order to continue the lies they realized that they would have to produce many more fake pictures for future publications."

(ED - Remember my post about the massive amounts of missing APOLLO material?)

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OK ...  real or faked?




~~~~~~~~~~ O O O ~~~~~~~~~~

More here from a German source ... it is a computer translation, a little hard to follow ... but a lot of info:
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/atmosphaerenfahrt/17_simulation-centers-Langley-Houston-ENGL.html

If this whole thing was for training purposes then why does the detail need to be so meticulously perfect I wonder??

[Voskhod3]

If this whole thing was for training purposes then why does the detail need to be so meticulously perfect I wonder??

Are you serious? Tell me you're not serious.

Fuel was a priority, quick identification of visual features essential.

[Voskhod3]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Keep grasping at straws or just see it for face value man.... What a drama running down to the fuel reserves.

Do we have a deal over the picture you posted?

[Voskhod3]

Sorry, you didn't post it, your friend did, the challenge still stands.

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I'm back, this is just too good!

I have a deal for Jackson Holly, burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom.

If I prove that the claim put forward in this picture is a steaming pile of cr*p, do you promise to go away and stop posting this sh*t without researching it first?

I suggest you think very carefully first before you answer.

Deal?

[Jackson Holly]

Voskhod3:

I'm back, this is just too good!

I have a deal for Jackson Holly, burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom.

If I prove that the claim put forward in this picture is a steaming pile of cr*p, do you promise to go away and stop posting this sh*t without researching it first?

I suggest you think very carefully first before you answer.

Deal?

Go ahead ... I am sitting on the edge of my chair. This does look too good to be true ... and I know NASA is full of explanations.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

Are you serious? Tell me you're not serious.

Fuel was a priority, quick identification of visual features essential.

Gimme a break, how about it was to make the fake footage seem more plausible huh?

[Voskhod3]

Gimme a break, how about it was to make the fake footage seem more plausible huh?

How about it was to rehearse a complex mission as closely as possible before putting real lives on the line.

You people are...!

[Voskhod3]

Voskhod3:
Go ahead ... I am sitting on the edge of my chair. This does look too good to be true ... and I know NASA is full of explanations.

Great!

OK.. so long as you realise what you are signing up to.

So that's you down, now we need Jackson Holly and Dockorsevarboreum to sign up.

Once the three of you agree we're in.

[Jackson Holly]

I know where this is already headed. They supposedly set down at the site of a previous Apollo mission. Even though they supposedly can barely control decent and latitude and longitudinal navigation is almost nil.....  

burlguy ... listen up, you are NOT going to believe this!

First take a look at this former post #385:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=47982.msg688959#msg688959

I was poking fun at their faked photo of some gadget they were setting up ... but, then I started trying to track down more about the photo and found out that ....

THEY SAY THAT GADGET WAS AN UNMANNED LANDER!

They claim that they sat down APOLLO 12 RIGHT NEXT to the unmanned thingy!

This is more UNBELIEVABLE than my first impression, that they lugged the dang thing down that slope for a photo op!

INCREDIBLE!

[Voskhod3]

Great!

OK.. so long as you realise what you are signing up to.

So that's you down, now we need Jackson Holly and Dockorsevarboreum to sign up.

Once the three of you agree we're in.

Sorry I meant burlguy and Dockorsevarboreum need to sign up.

[Jackson Holly]

Remember this photo from a few posts back, from APOLLO 15?
Well I found NASA's 'debunk' or explanation:




Title:
Astronaut James Irwin keeps Lunar Roving Vehicle from sliding downhill

Description:
Astronaut James B. Irwin, lunar module pilot, holds the Lunar Roving Vehicle from sliding downhill during the second Apollo 15 lunar surface extravehicular activity. Apparently, both of the Rover's rear wheels are off the ground. The Rover was parked facing downhill on a 15 to 20 degree slope. Astronaut David R. Scott, commander, took this photograph. Scott was performing other tasks while Irwin held the Rover. They were parked at a "fresh" crater on the Apennine Front (Hadley Delta Mountain) slope. In the foreground a lunar rake lies atop a mound.

For how long did he 'hold' that rover I wonder?

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Anyway, one more mystery photo ... now that we know their tricks, what do you think ...


Real -or- Fake?


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[phasma]

No idea - did you guys catch that post about nasa wanting to hit the moon with a rocket in a bid to find water?

[Jackson Holly]

^^^

Yeah, I caught that article ... it sounds more like another acoustic test ... the moon rings like a bell ... it's at least partially hollow it seems.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=31546.msg129617#msg129617

[phasma]

Seems to me - If the moon was made by a giant comet throwing a load of stuff up into space then there might well be some water up there - but so what?

[TheWeavingSpider]

Seems to me - If the moon was made by a giant comet throwing a load of stuff up into space then there might well be some water up there - but so what?

It wasn't made by a giant comet, it was made by God.

I've heard the ridiculous theory that the moon was made by a huge comet smashing into the earth (which would have probably split the earth in two), and then miraculously (because the whole things is so incredibly ridiculous and violates MANY laws of physics, thermodynamics anyone?) spinning and flying off the earth after gathers some of the earths goodies and some how ends up not flying completely away from the earth, even though it flew off at a speed that ripped it from the earth (did it somehow GAIN momentum?) and remains in orbit, not only that but somehow all the insides of the moon just magically disappear after this whole bizarre number of occurrences.

Yes, we went to the moon, sad thing is we may never see any real images of it's surface, because what they found on it's surface fly's in the face of everything we've been told, what they found is a ship, an ancient mothership.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Xr-53fU4w

[phasma]

It wasn't made by a giant comet, it was made by God.

I've heard the ridiculous theory that the moon was made by a huge comet smashing into the earth (which would have probably split the earth in two), and then miraculously (because the whole things is so incredibly ridiculous and violates MANY laws of physics, thermodynamics anyone?) spinning and flying off the earth after gathers some of the earths goodies and some how ends up not flying completely away from the earth, even though it flew off at a speed that ripped it from the earth (did it somehow GAIN momentum?) and remains in orbit, not only that but somehow all the insides of the moon just magically disappear after this whole bizarre number of occurrences.

Yes, we went to the moon, sad thing is we may never see any real images of it's surface, because what they found on it's surface fly's in the face of everything we've been told, what they found is a ship, an ancient mothership.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Xr-53fU4w

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually thermodynamics has little to do with this - its more einsteins famous E=MC2 equation
This is physically (and theoretically) possible - its generally how moons are formed and is why saturn has so many.

Sorry - mothership?
Why would it stop on the moon when itwas such a short hop to earth?
LOL

[Scootle]

You're both wrong... the moon was actually created by the CIA... there's a reason the same face always faces us... you see the moon is actually a massive death star type thing in disguise. In 2012, when the superlaser is fully charged the elite will use it to hold the entire world hostage.

[phasma]

You're both wrong... the moon was actually created by the CIA... there's a reason the same face always faces us... you see the moon is actually a massive death star type thing in disguise. In 2012, when the superlaser is fully charged the elite will use it to hold the entire world hostage.

Sure scootle, i`ll but that !

Along with the moon is a baloon and no one landed on it cos it wudda popped !

:S

and not the CIA - it must have been cave dwelling terrorists !

[TheWeavingSpider]

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually thermodynamics has little to do with this - its more einsteins famous E=MC2 equation
This is physically (and theoretically) possible - its generally how moons are formed and is why saturn has so many.

Sorry - mothership?
Why would it stop on the moon when itwas such a short hop to earth?
LOL

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way, if something huge hit's something else like that and then rolls around on it and gathers up a bunch of its material, then flies off (even though it would weld to it if it in fact did not crack the planet in two), it just makes no sense at all, very silly, irrational and illogical. And how in the world do scientists know that the moons of saturn where made the way you said? Where the scientists there when they were made? I think NOT. Scientists are only looking for ways to explain how everything is the way it is without outside influence from a higher being.

The youtube video was of the space ship, that was the only reason why they ever went to the moon the first place, they were told that the ship was there, but the only catch is that we never went to the moon when they say we did, only years later did we get there.

[TheWeavingSpider]

You're both wrong... the moon was actually created by the CIA... there's a reason the same face always faces us... you see the moon is actually a massive death star type thing in disguise. In 2012, when the superlaser is fully charged the elite will use it to hold the entire world hostage.

I can confirm this because my uncle Johnny Joe worked on it.

[TheWeavingSpider]

I can confirm this because my uncle Johnny Joe worked on it.

THat's a joke btw.

[phasma]

yeah i figured !

[iks83]

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way, if something huge hit's something else like that and then rolls around on it and gathers up a bunch of its material, then flies off (even though it would weld to it if it in fact did not crack the planet in two), it just makes no sense at all, very silly, irrational and illogical. And how in the world do scientists know that the moons of saturn where made the way you said? Where the scientists there when they were made? I think NOT. Scientists are only looking for ways to explain how everything is the way it is without outside influence from a higher being.

The youtube video was of the space ship, that was the only reason why they ever went to the moon the first place, they were told that the ship was there, but the only catch is that we never went to the moon when they say we did, only years later did we get there.

You are kidding right? First it isnt a video of some mothership, its just pictures. Secondly they show the same pic twice except the other one is rotated and a bit enlarged and differently cropped... but have different numbers. Yeah... I truly believe they are authentic ¬_¬ I'm wondering why noone posted the actual video of the space ship on the moon that was filmed... it was on youtube also but cant find it again. It looked real too... amazig what you can do with computers this day.

The post with that fake moon and stuff for simulation is interesting they surely used that for fake footage to hand to the media. But what does it proof when pictures were faked? Only that they are lying to us and need to be arrested basicly for fraud... but it doesnt necessarily negate the moon landings.

[Jackson Holly]

Real -or- Fake?

In a couple of my posts above I showed 2 pictures and asked, real or fake? Well, they were both 'real' as released by NASA - but you gotta admit, knowing about their tricks and capabilities back in the day, it is near impossible to tell.

Here's another one for you ...



I don't know ... this looks like a horrible fake-scam to me! What do you think?

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This is a recent picture from an interview with NASA hyping the upcoming moon~walks ... check out the background. Are they up to their old tricks?

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[Voskhod3]

I'm still waiting for burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom to accept my challenge about this picture.

So far holly jackson has accepted, burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom haven't said anything.

Well, what are they afraid of?

[phasma]

Are you guys still going with this one???

[Voskhod3]

You are going to say that they set down at the site of a previous expedition...... You want me to give away all questioning because you think you can refute something? That would be illogical, you can count me out of your games.

No.. do you accept my challenge?

If I prove that the claim in that picture/comment is a complete load of cr*p you will stop posting in this thread?

What you got to be afraid of?

[PplVsNWO]

No.. do you accept my challenge?

If I prove that the claim in that picture/comment is a complete load of cr*p you will stop posting in this thread?

What you got to be afraid of?

Just give your explanation already, you know it will be challenged regardless and nobody will quit this discussion based upon your reply...

[Voskhod3]

Just give your explanation already, you know it will be challenged regardless and nobody will quit this discussion based upon your reply...

No.. you see the thing about hoax believers is that they never admit they are wrong, they just move on, and in a few days time will probably be repeating the same garbage elsewhere (or even here).

This has to be brought to a head.

So, the challenge stands.

Holly Jackson has agreed, I'm waiting for burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom to agree.

[PplVsNWO]

Why are you so dead set on proving them wrong anyway? Do you really know for 100% fact that the moon landings were real?  Where you one of the guys who personally set foot on the moon?  How else could you know for sure?  After all, all the evidence you have is supplied by the agency that is in question(much like believing 9/11 evidence supplied by the Gov't).
Do you just need the last word in a debate?
Do you have some kind of first-hand info that nobody else does?
Or are you paid to debate your side?
Just trying to figure out why you are so insistant upon shutting up your opponents.

[Voskhod3]

Why are you so dead set on proving them wrong anyway?

Why shouldn't I?

I'm sick of their cr*p.

The challenge stands.

Are they afraid?

[Jackson Holly]

So far holly jackson has accepted, burlguy and doktorschnabelvonrom haven't said anything.

I don't think I agreed to any ultimatum ... I posted the pictures thinking it was probably TOO BIG a NASA screwup to be true! If you have figured it out, well and good. Let's hear it ...

Voskhod3, were you doing double takes at the 'fake or real' posts?

(BTW - I was just kidding ... those first two 'fare or real' moonshots I posted were fake!)

[criticalunity]

I wish I finished my misconceptions article already, but I'm so busy... Here is a segment from what I've written so far, and you can fact check:

Misconception:

"Moon landing did not happen:

Either they are stupid, or they think we are so stupid, however I assume it's mostly the latter.
They DID land, however most of the footage had to be recreated in a Hollywood studio because of the UFOs & structures they had filmed. - That is why the flag is blowing in the wind, along with the constitution. (There is no atmosphere on the Moon, according to Astronomy textbooks & NASA."

If you're nodding your head saying oh no, not another UFO nut, I suggest you watch the disclosureproject.org video, and disregard  the references to global warming, ti was believed at the time. Alex does not cover 'UFO & alien stuff' as that is too far out & I understand he needs to maintain credibility, however a staged UFO invasion is planned to get the entire world under a 'world security' - And the people will BEG for a world government.

Misconception:
UFO's & extraterrestrials are bunk; space is too vast to be able to travel to other Planets:

Wrong. - We are clearly being visited, therefore it is possible to travel faster than light under circumstances we are obviously unaware of.
- When you imagine the multitude of life out there, see the Sumerian tablet translations, the ancient accounts of the LEADERS of the Mayans, Egyptians, etc all being described as being lizard men, when you break out of the 'oh come on' bubble, & finally look at the conclusive evidence such as when you trace the genealogical records of almost everyone who has been in power throughout history, (monarchy, government) one sees that they are the same 'tribe' a brotherhood of interbreeding hybrids of Cosmic Lizard men & Humans.
- THEY DID NOT CREATE US: We are the byproduct of a genetic manipulation of the native people of the Earth before the 'Fallen Angels' Who 'Mated with the wives of Men' - Since we have been manipulated on EVERY level, it will be a miracle if Earth is not rendered a death Planet like Mars was, so I'm working day & night to find a way to get the majority to realize what is REALLY going on here... A major misconception regarding Reptilians is that it is the result of being overbearing, or simply a nut who believes anything, because it seems so 'far out', but despite that I agree that it is weird, the universe is stranger than fiction, & we clearly know very little about it.

Please read ' The Biggest Secret' By - David Icke . - You can download it in the downloads section.

It's time to stop saying ' What is the government going to do about it, & start saying: What are we going to do about the Government?
ETs have been amongst us for thousands of years, & a UFO is depicted in a painting of Mary, so why would the concept of life elsewhere in the universe be such a big issue? Life simply forms naturally in certain conditions. - It can be manipulated, but if there is a staged alien invasion, be sure not to believe any claims that they created us, or that those who will be yelling 'it's an inside job' are conspiracy theorists like 9/11!!

- There is enough evidence that would hold up in a court of law against the government to charge them with conspiracy. To do this, the majority needs to become the jury, & get behind 'the truth'; To stop focusing on insignificant issues, & start looking at the big picture!

What is going on can be reduced to: We have a controlling & manipulating system that lies & deceives..


Look at this page to see other subjects: http://criticalunity.org/forum.html?func=view&id=67&catid=5#67

[Voskhod3]

Oh.. Holly Jackson has now backed out.

That's two of them refusing the challenge and silence from doktorschnabelvonrom.

Anyone would think they are scared.

Or perhaps they have done some research on that picture/comment.

[Voskhod3]

What are you afraid of?

Do you stand by that picture/comment?