NASA!!!...Psy-op, Photoshop, Terra-forming... What's Up, NASA?

[SUICIDEKINGS]

This guy should join we are Change http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561&q=&hl=en

[whobot]

One of the best sources we have about the moon landing events is Richard C. Hoagland.

Bio:
Hoagland was a science advisor to Walter Cronkite at CBS news during the Apollo program, former curator at the Hayden Planetarium and consultant to NASA. He is the co-originator, along with Eric Burgess, of the British Interplanetary Society of the "Pioneer Plaque" currently carrying a message from mankind on the Pioneer 10 Spacecraft. He is also a best selling author and runs a few popular websites.

Here is what Hoagland has to say about the "never landing on the moon hoax" straight from his book called "Dark Mission, The Secret History of NASA."

On February 15, 2001, FOX Television aired a widely-advertised show titled Conspiracy Theory: Did we land on the moon? With this program, Fox removed the last weak link in NASA's ongoing, 40-year-old chain of overlapping cover-ups.

It is our Assertion that not only was this "Moon Hoax" tale carefully constructed as an elegant piece of disinformation-as a desperately required distraction from the real lunar conspiracy documented here, which was beginning to seriously unravel as early as 1996. For, I can personally testify that I was a first-hand witness to "the Moon hoax" true beginnings far, far earlier then the 2001 FOX Special-back in 1969, and in the heart of NASA itself!

The fact that it was on FOX makes me highly doubt the story. I would suggest reading his book which states with solid facts that infact we did land on the moon, and found some very very interesting stuff there....

You can get the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Mission-Secret-History-NASA/dp/1932595260

Read the review of this book right at Amazon by Dr. Ali Fant, WB5WAF, 12DE2007, who is a NASA Scientist and who states that everything in the book seems to be true...

[JTCoyoté]

JT:
Here is a NASA aerial photo showing the ROVER on Mars:



"An image from NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity near the rim of Victoria Crater." Image credit: NASA/JPL/UA

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/news/mro-20061006.html

Jackson...

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, is precisely the type of satellite I describe as being needed above the Moon to search for this kind of artifact...

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, is exactly what it says it is... it is for reconnaissance... a loose translation would be a spy platform... it has a large-aperture, 50cm diameter, multi-task, 12m focal length camera, that works in various wavelengths in high resolution... it has a 125 mile high orbit which allows for tracking, as well as ease of maneuverability for re-tasking... the satellite is large and considerably more sophisticated than a simple orbiting surveyor...

JTCoyoté

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power
any government has is the power to crack down on
criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals,
one makes them. One declares so many things to be
a crime that it becomes impossible to live without
breaking laws." ~Ayn Rand

[SUICIDEKINGS]

Jackson...

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, is precisely the type of satellite I describe as being needed on the Moon to search for this kind of artifact...

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, is exactly what it says it is... it is for reconnaissance... a loose translation would be a spy platform... it has a large-aperture multi-task variable focal length camera, that works in various wavelengths... it has a high orbit which allows for tracking, as well as maneuverability for re-tasking... the satellite is large and considerably more sophisticated than a simple orbiting surveyor...

JTCoyoté

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power
any government has is the power to crack down on
criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals,
one makes them. One declares so many things to be
a crime that it becomes impossible to live without
breaking laws." ~Ayn Rand

So.. why do you think there are no pics of the flag and such on the moon? [rhetorical ?]

[Jackson Holly]

whobot:

I would suggest reading his book which states with solid facts that infact we did land on the moon, and found some very very interesting stuff there....

I for one have always been intrigued by this possibility - it explains the wacky APOLLO program propaganda - but you gotta believe the 'UFOs are real' angle to get there. I'm ready to go there - but I wonder how many other Prison Planet Forum members are?

Neil Armstrong freaking out on the Moon:

(Scroll down about 2/3 of page - under "UNITED STATES ASTRONAUTS" - click 'Lunar Spacecraft')

"Lunar Spacecraft: While orbiting the moon, Neil Armstrong reports that he has seen something, you won't believe."

"TANGO BRAVO. The name derives from the initials T and B, standing for “Technology Barriers” or more optimistically, “Technology Breakthroughs.”

http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_2527.shtml

Or here:
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/prediction/51/images/astroufo/astroufo.htm


~~~~~ O~~~~

JT:  You have great information ... I'm not doubting a word of it. Just wondering why we DON'T have hi-res imagery from the moon landing sites. Could it be that there is nothing at the sites to photograph? Don't they need hi-res if we are gonna put mining ops up there in a few years?

[JTCoyoté]

So.. why do you think there are no pics of the flag and such on the moon? [rhetorical ?]

Rhetorical?... yes, quite.

You might want to go back and read the very first post in this thread... which would make your last post redundant... and then read my posts, since the reason has already been explained... in considerable detail.

The only satellite that is publically known that had the capability necessary for this type of task, was Clementine... for some reason it made it to the moon, and completed it's mapping mission... there was talk of a re-task for a closer look... after it was found that it could not complete its 1620 Geographos rendezvous due to a malfunction... but it went dark and was never heard from again... this was in '96 I believe...

--Oldyoti

"Government's view of the economy could
be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving,
regulate it. And if it stops moving,
subsidize it." ~ Ronald Reagan

[Marcus W]

I too have my doubts, but keep an open mind. The reaction of the astronauts is a red flag though. Their reactions are not what you'd expect from people who has experienced one of the most spectacular events in history, they turn into these murderous images of hate and it doesn't sit right with me. Sure, the interviewer ambushes them but why the reaction?

I would proudly swear on the Bible, even though I'm not religious, that I visited the realm no one ever has known before.

To display that kind of hate shows that the truth is far from what we think.

At the same time, I listen to others that talk about aliens on the dark side of the moon and about aliens interfering with the astronauts and their place on the moon. The quote "there is a santa" was allegedly code for "there are E.T's". I'm not sure what to think anymore. Perhaps that is the purpose...

[whobot]

whobot:
I for one have always been intrigued by this possibility - it explains the wacky APOLLO program propaganda - but you gotta believe the 'UFOs are real' angle to get there. I'm ready to go there - but I wonder how many other Prison Planet Forum members are?

It's either UFOs or the very real possibility that our ancient ancestors are the ones who built the structures there. Hoagland brings up a point that NASA seemed to be aware of what they would find, possibly from ancient manuscripts found in Egypt or some other place. It's no secret that many of the old documents have been well hidden from the public. There are some Vedic scriptures dating back to nearly 5000bc, or possibly much older, which even have a sort of "pilots manual" describing how to fly these "machines" and what to avoid.

Who knows. All I know is that we have been hoodwinked on pretty much everything we have been taught.

[JEH]

I say let's aim Hubble at the moon anyway and see if maybe tracks can be seen. Anything at all would be nice.

With all else said here, I still can't believe the "actual" videos of the moon romp scenes where the astronauts defy gravity, even though it is only 1/6, they should have been able to jump higher and not look like they were being guided by a suspended cable and standing up again without even touching the ground.  Plus the liftoff of the module is completely fake.

If there is a secret spy sat in place near the  moon, why not use it and show everyone the proof once and for all? 
Seems like looking at earth through an atmosphere and the moon with no air farther away should be equal or better. The tracks supposedly are pretty long and might be visible.

 
If only there was even a single shred of solid evidence of man on the moon.

And Mr Shirteesdotnet:
I was not bragging but pointing out that I helps to have some scientific knowledge to be able to visualize certain things correctly.
Architectural "engineer" is basically the same as structural engineer but with emphasis in architectural design. My original goal was chemical engineer but changed later to structural and civil engineering focus because I like to build. I picked up the geology BA on the way because it was another hobby, and studied physics and mathematics because it is required for a engineering degree.  Astronomy is another interest. I often pack my 8" refractor to about 9000 to 10,000 feet elevation by car and foot just get a clear view. To judge a persons character from an avatar is not possible.

[chris jones]

Does it truly matter, one step for mankind as we were dropping bombs over the country of Vietnam.Great common sence.
 The masses are easily manipulated, that is if we let them.
Take the mind of the target and give them a moon landing, thats where their money is going, go patriotic on us, were the fooken greatest. Wiggle your flag Johny, we are the fooken land of the free, as we blanket bomb dirt poor villages, kids and woman.

If war did not exist we would probably give scientists free reign and funding that could lead to space travel for fook sake.
But oh no, give them a rally point while we kill a few hundred thousand Vietamise, Hip, Hip, hooray, the land of the free, wave a flag, we landed on the fooken moon.
So the american peoples tax dollars went to a moon landing, and what great fooken help to humanity. Blow up  another million innocent people, exterminate them and then fly to the fooken moon.
Let our toopers die and get crippled while we huddle around a Tely watching a fooken moon landing. PLEASE.................

No war, no debt, better health care, food, gas on line, freedoms restored, and no fooken gov rhetoric to take our minds of the fact that there are a group of elites who love the war, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
AND A CLEAR CONSCIENCE WITH HONOR RESTORED TO THIS NATION RUN BY PARASITIC MASTERS OF HUMAN NATURE.

Lets get off the moon and back to the earth, if we straighten out this regime and hang them, we can think about any fooken advancement under the sun....fly me to the moon after we rid the earth of these elite masters sucking our blood, the lives of the innocents, and our hard earned money.
Mr. Cyote is an intelligent indivual, and truther. Ask him what the scientific community could do, the honest and devoted with the 262 billion we just gave to the Military ( MIC) for the war and repairs.  Orif fact thetrillions we have given to the MIC for their war machines and devistation , I feel certain he could give us a summary.

[UK Lyn]

"Data's Head" was filmed on Mars. Hoagland claims that there a 'glass like structures' and 'cities' on the moon. I am very skeptical about all of that.

sorry you are wrong, it was filmed in the 'Shorty' crater on the moon Luna.

[seebach77]

I too have my doubts, but keep an open mind. The reaction of the astronauts is a red flag though. Their reactions are not what you'd expect from people who has experienced one of the most spectacular events in history, they turn into these murderous images of hate and it doesn't sit right with me. Sure, the interviewer ambushes them but why the reaction?

I would proudly swear on the Bible, even though I'm not religious, that I visited the realm no one ever has known before.

To display that kind of hate shows that the truth is far from what we think.

At the same time, I listen to others that talk about aliens on the dark side of the moon and about aliens interfering with the astronauts and their place on the moon. The quote "there is a santa" was allegedly code for "there are E.T's". I'm not sure what to think anymore. Perhaps that is the purpose...

Mis-info and dis-info are sadly all we have bombarded with...  so yes, perhaps that IS the purpose.

[Sub-X]

the first set of clips is from a movie called Secret Space. A great watch!

Chris thanks for the heads up on Secret Space,excellent stuff 

Also fair play to Oldyoti,Mick,Jackson and everybody else involved, brilliant thread 

[Jackson Holly]

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything here - just a great site of NASA APOLLO 11 images - something to look at as we ponder some of the questions being raised here:

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html



Whole Moon photographed with an 8-inch newtonian with 1.2-m focal length.
(Right) Tranquility Base Close-up photographed with a 7-inch refractor with 12-m effective focal length (3-meter prime focal length of the refractor is 3m increased by a 4x Barlow-lens), Philipps TuoCam webcam, single frame shot, enhanced with unsharp masking.

~~~~~

[weaving spider]

JT:
      I doubt you've even looked at "this asinine tape". There is no "veiled guilt tactic". Facts are facts. You call it propaganda because you believe you are too educated and intelligent to have been fooled. That's a mighty big ego you have there.

There is another documentary called "What Happened on the Moon" with over 3 hrs of examination by optical experts, such as yourself. But I doubt you will look at that either. You're just so smart that the rest of us should just accept what you say with blind faith and not question anything.

I'm sure you will have some snappy comeback, so let me say up front, " Denial ain't a river in Africa, pal". Whatever.

[JTCoyoté]

JT:
      I doubt you've even looked at "this asinine tape". There is no "veiled guilt tactic". Facts are facts. You call it propaganda because you believe you are too educated and intelligent to have been fooled. That's a mighty big ego you have there.

There is another documentary called "What Happened on the Moon" with over 3 hrs of examination by optical experts, such as yourself. But I doubt you will look at that either. You're just so smart that the rest of us should just accept what you say with blind faith and not question anything.

I'm sure you will have some snappy comeback, so let me say up front, " Denial ain't a river in Africa, pal". Whatever.

Yes I watched it which is evident since I described the content in a previous post... The video was almost as asinine, distasteful, and disrespectful as your present post... Your first paragraph is projection by the way, that is your ego you are describing...

My mind is open unlike yours... which has to resort to ad-homs to feel important... you could merely give the link and I would watch it as I do most all threads containing links... but you must attack first so as to feel on top...

Psychology was my minor, Le Spinneret... and I'm afraid you just crapped yourself...

--Oldyoti

"This country is a one-party country. Half of it
is called Republican and half is called Democrat.
It doesn't make any difference. All the really good
ideas belong to the Libertarians."
~ Hugh Downs

[JEH]

That's more like it, thx WS
I Googled  "What Happened on the Moon" and got some good stuff.

Here is the excellent documentary to watch "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon"

http://www.dark-truth.org/dec142006-1-moon-scam-apollo-hoax-nasa-lies.html  46 minutes and can be downloaded too.

More good info at    http://www.moonmovie.com/


Some of the top ten reasons for prooving the hoax from moonmovie dot com:
The Apollo One Fire. The three men who died at Pad 34 did not have to die. We all know that, but why did they die? After years of investigation into the findings of the 90th Congress, we believe that the AS-204 crew were not simply victims of neglect - they were executed. The findings are detailed in the multimedia DVD The Apollo One Accident Report, along with the complete 3,500+ page report for your own investigation. Lt. Col. Gus Grissom, a man of the highest military integrity, pulled the largest lemon he could find off the tree in his back yard, and told his wife, "I'm going to hang it on that spacecraft". This was 5 days after the famous media day pictures had been taken at Pad 34, and five days before he would die at Pad 34. Grissom also called a press conference to address grievances against NASA and North American regarding the failures of the CSM Block 1. There is no doubt that he, Robert Chaffee and Ed White [whose wife Pat was later 'suicided'] were on a path that would surely lead to heated confrontations and the public exposure of the manned moon landing hoax. They were sacrificed. There is no doubt about it. The evidence is clear.

The Limitations of 1960's Computer Technology, small meteors, and the Van Allen Belts. Almost 40 years ago, with *combined CSM and LM guidance computer memory totaling only 10.3% [152kb] of a common 1.4MB [1474.56kb] floppy disk, NASA claims to have traveled 60,000% as far as any other manned spacecraft has gone before or since. Basically a household calculator (or discount watch) took 27 men [Apollo 8 to 17] to the moon and back, with the help of slide rules - accounting for fuel consumption, angle of approach, lunar landing, rate of descent, and so on. Yet at a distance of under 300 miles from Earth, we have lost the lives of 14 Shuttle astronauts who never left Earth orbit. In 9 trips there were no incidents involving small meteors. Yes, Space is a big place - but no injuries or damage except Apollo 13's apparent self-inflicted wound? Van Allen made it clear in his 1958-59 report that travelers to the moon would need go around the belts, approaching the moon by first departing through the space directly above the the north or south poles of the Earth.

The 130,000 Mile Deception. Apollo 11. July 18th, 1969. Neil Armstrong, having heard CapCom report Columbia's distance from the Earth at 130,000 miles out - begins the unofficial television transmission [to be edited and partially played later] by echoing the same distance of 130,000 miles. In view, out the Commander's Capsule window is a small ball of blue. We are meant to believe that the blue ball is Earth. It is not. This evidence is our top reason. There can be no doubt. The Apollo 11 Westinghouse camera was not zooming through deep space to see a distant Earth and zooming back out again through deep space. When truly understood, when one understands that the Earth could not have remained in view or suddenly appeared as large as when they zoomed into it - this proves the hoax. This is the 'smoking gun' of Apollo, and the top reason to not believe the official story. Raw footage of this is available on the DVD Apollo 11 Monkey Business with detailed explanations in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, and confrontations about it with 9 of the Apollo astronauts in Astronauts Gone Wild. Behind Michael Collins, hanging on Window Number 1 [the commander's CM window] is a transparency - used when they brought down the lights and adjusted the camera exposure. The transparency was a picture of the planet Earth.


The Precedent of Secret U.S. Government Operations. Japanese submarines at the mouth of Pearl Harbor were sunk many hours before the 'surprise' attacks commenced. The corrupt CIA and NSA were formed on the principal of insuring U.S. economic interests around the world and at home -- at any price. John F. Kennedy, who had plans to unite the space exploration efforts of the Soviet Union with those of the United States -- and thereby end both the Space Race and Arms Race, never lived to see that day. On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel, under the direct orders of LBJ. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was also a staged event, meant to insure expanded involvement in Vietnam. Area 51 continues to be one of the most heavily protected U.S. installations known today, guarding who-knows-exactly-what.

Yes, covert operations have a prominent place in the U.S.A.'s recent sordid history. And although this reason in and of itself is not enough to prove the Manned Moon Landing to be a hoax, it certainly shows that the organizations are in place to carry out such an operation - 9 fake trips to the moon.

135,000,000,000 stolen by NASA hoaxes from Americans. Where did the money go? The little moon rovers were $60,000,000 EACH!! Somebody got real rich on this scam, absolutely! Billions of $$$$$$$$$$$ pure PROFIT!!!!!!

The Apollo 15 Flag Waving - Untouched. In order to explain this one, the Apollo Believers must keep you guessing by resorting to claims of a static discharge with the astronaut's distant space suit. View the video for yourself, and see why this video alone hits a lofty number 4 in our top 10.


Historical event only has about 20 pictures taken!!

The Lunar Surface Photographic and Video Record. Problems with lighting and the infamous C-Rock photo with it's "C-less" counterpart have been the subject of much debate between those who believe the photos have remained unaltered and others who believe the photos were completely staged. Still there are some photos that seem to fall into the retouched category. Countless photographic anomalies remain in question. There is no doubt that the more significant problem with the C-Rock photo is that it has obviously been altered, and the alteration we refer to has nothing to do with the rock, but the more serious problem is the cut and paste of the rover and astronaut. You may have noticed that we did not mention shadows. This is because the photos focused on by some have become straw men, easily debunked. One such famous example is shown on the video above. We believe that the high-powered, fake sun reflected in the astronauts visors as a large circular object is a far stronger argument - and one that cannot be easily dismissed.


I rest my case, we never went to the moon!

[weaving spider]

JT:

You personally attacked me first. obviouselt you are not man enough to admit it. I am done with you, sir, and will not be drawn into  your petty bickering.

[wembley87]

Calm down people .

[RollerCam]

"...we have been hoodwinked on pretty much everything we have been taught."

That pretty much sums up the feelings of Mr. Hoagland.

http://www.darkmission.net/dmmain.htm

[JTCoyoté]

That pretty much sums up the feelings of Mr. Hoagland.

http://www.darkmission.net/dmmain.htm

Yes. This is the essence of the discussion. However, the shill ranting that is coming from the no moon landing side of this thing, serves no purpose other than to further alienate the truth...

What may seem to be evidence in the mind of the untutored, will not be so to those who were involved in some way, or who have followed it with interest for many years...

Photographic evidence, based upon reconstructions using the technology of the time, has been known of, as I stated before, for at least 3 1/2 decades... as I stated before much was reconstructed... not to fool people so much, but to reconstruct what was lost...

I myself have uncovered doctored photographs from Apollo 11, some which removed information, and others which added information... there are several that if they prove to be undoctered, provide evidence of an observation platform set up between the Earth and the Moon during the missions... there is much to be looked at here that can provide evidence... on both sides... but the shill ranting on the no Moon landings side of this debate, solidifies in my mind the possibility that they, whether wittingly or unwittingly, are working for the other side, in an attempt to cover up something that assisted in the missions, that the bad guys don't want us to know about.

My initial reaction to the video remains unchanged... it was a horrible and disrespectful example of what should not become the norm in the 9/11 truth movement... because many people are turned off by the kind of thing this video represents... it is a brown shirt tactic that demonizes without real evidence.

JTCoyoté

"Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
~ Ben Franklin

[Real Truth]

I too have my doubts, but keep an open mind. The reaction of the astronauts is a red flag though. Their reactions are not what you'd expect from people who has experienced one of the most spectacular events in history, they turn into these murderous images of hate and it doesn't sit right with me. Sure, the interviewer ambushes them but why the reaction?

I would proudly swear on the Bible, even though I'm not religious, that I visited the realm no one ever has known before.

To display that kind of hate shows that the truth is far from what we think.

At the same time, I listen to others that talk about aliens on the dark side of the moon and about aliens interfering with the astronauts and their place on the moon. The quote "there is a santa" was allegedly code for "there are E.T's". I'm not sure what to think anymore. Perhaps that is the purpose...

same here...IF I really flew to the moon I'd be happy to answer any questions about it...It's amazing thing to do and not many people can do it...I dont understand why they were acting that way similar to way the members of bilderberg acted when Truthers asked them questions(we didnt ambush them tho)

[JEH]

Well, JTC, I hate to tell you this, but you do have a subtle way of insulting some folks here, including me. Essentially saying someone's post is garbage could be better said with some evidence pro or con on your part without the critic. If you believe the landings occured then please offer proof. I am sure many would like to see it including me. I would rather believe we did land, but so far there are doubts and unanswered questions. We have all heard the propoganda already.

[shirteesdotnet]

You are right JEH, you cant judge one by their avatar. Sorry.

I'll pose this question for all. Lets just say the moon landing was faked and we dont have a flag or anything else sitting on the moon where we said we landed. Lets say Japan or whomever has a moon recon satellite documenting our landing sites and tells the world that we, the USofA, did NOT land on the moon. What will that do to our country, our economy, our people, our nation, our freedoms, our leaders, etc. Would it help the freedom movement by calling out the fraud of our country or would it totally destabilize us.

[baldguy]

You are right JEH, you cant judge one by their avatar. Sorry.

I'll pose this question for all. Lets just say the moon landing was faked and we dont have a flag or anything else sitting on the moon where we said we landed. Lets say Japan or whomever has a moon recon satellite documenting our landing sites and tells the world that we, the USofA, did NOT land on the moon. What will that do to our country, our economy, our people, our nation, our freedoms, our leaders, etc. Would it help the freedom movement by calling out the fraud of our country or would it totally destabilize us.

What a great question, I am sure it would shatter a lot of people. Ruin their faith in everything, not really a good thing. I wonder how many lies are out there, to big to expose.

[JTCoyoté]

Well, JTC, I hate to tell you this, but you do have a subtle way of insulting some folks here, including me. Essentially saying someone's post is garbage could be better said with some evidence pro or con on your part without the critic. If you believe the landings occured then please offer proof. I am sure many would like to see it including me. I would rather believe we did land, but so far there are doubts and unanswered questions. We have all heard the propoganda already.

You might live in the Soviet Union but I do not... or Hitler's Germany where you are treated as guilty until you prove your innocence...

The moon landings have been held as fact for 40 years... 34 years ago, the first evidence of altered photographs showed up... which was admitted to for the reasons that I stated before... the Van Allen belt argument is a shill argument, that looks good on the surface but doesn't hold water... there have been rumblings around the moon landings ever since, some compelling, and some, like this video, just pure bullsh8t...

In America, where you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt... it is up to you the accuser to provide proof... What I've seen so far, has been lacking, attempting to make up for the lack with brown shirt demonization tactics that are beyond the pale...

It is one thing to approach David Rockefeller in a respectful and professional fashion like Luke Rudkowski...  and quite another to do what was depicted in this video.

Here in America my friend, the burden of proof is on the accuser!

--Oldyoti

"Give me your 4-year-olds,
and within a generation I'll
build you a Socialist State."
Vladamir Lenin

[jflack]

Why have no other countries in the world sent a man to the moon?  Is it not worth it to go there?  Are there no scientific benefits from going there?

From what I read, no country has tried to send humans past Earth orbit since the closing of the U.S. Apollo program.  I also have read that NASA announced in 1998 that it was officially ending any projects sending humans to the moon because of funding.  Why did they wait to close the program?  1972-1998 is a long time to collect tax payer money just to close the program.

[JEH]

You might live in the Soviet Union but I do not... or Hitler's Germany where you are treated as guilty until you prove your innocence...

The moon landings have been held as fact for 40 years... 34 years ago, the first evidence of altered photographs showed up... which was admitted to for the reasons that I stated before... the Van Allen belt argument is a shill argument, that looks good on the surface but doesn't hold water... there have been rumblings around the moon landings ever since, some compelling, and some, like this video, just pure bullsh8t...

In America, where you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt... it is up to you the accuser to provide proof... What I've seen so far, has been lacking, attempting to make up for the lack with brown shirt demonization tactics that are beyond the pale...

It is one thing to approach David Rockefeller in a respectful and professional fashion like Luke Rudkowski...  and quite another to do what was depicted in this video.

Here in America my friend, the burden of proof is on the accuser!

--Oldyoti

"Give me your 4-year-olds,
and within a generation I'll
build you a Socialist State."
Vladamir Lenin

OK, so now I live in the Soviet Union? What are you accusing me of now? Same old story with no evidence to support accusations, and I am accusing alright, but I have photographic evidence. If I did not know better, I'd say you worked for FOX news.
How do you explain the man levitating himself off the ground after 'falling'?
The evidence for no-landing has been shown in other ways than the video you don't like and have refused to watch without being offended by the treatment of frauds, which I admit too, was tacky. But this video is better -->  A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon is a better version which concentrates more on FACTS. OK?
If we never walked on the moon, that means everything since the sixties has been a complete sham and a lie. It means this country is based on lies, corruption and deceit. Everyone needs to know what happened, regardless of the consequences. The truth must be known. This is important. And whoever said let get back to earth, well this happened right here on earth, not the moon.
$60,000,000 in the sixties is equal to trillions in todays dollars. Where did the money go? Where?
Where is the proof they went? That is all I'm asking for here. Is that not possible to prove such an historic event?  The people that "went to the moon" won't admit they went. They should be happy to talk about the experience. But they have a problem lying about it so they stay quiet, why? Because they never went there. They are criminals and they know it. It scares them to think we know it too. I think they got what they deserved, to be exposed as frauds they are.

[JTCoyoté]

Why have no other countries in the world sent a man to the moon?  Is it not worth it to go there?  Are there no scientific benefits from going there?

From what I read, no country has tried to send humans past Earth orbit since the closing of the U.S. Apollo program.  I also have read that NASA announced in 1998 that it was officially ending any projects sending humans to the moon because of funding.  Why did they wait to close the program?  1972-1998 is a long time to collect tax payer money just to close the program.

For what it's worth,  the ending of the lunar program was exactly that, I'm sure the amount of money that was spent on it was negligible... since everything was geared toward the shuttle program... so they just officially ended the moon project...

Even at the time we were in the race with the Soviet Union, there is no record of a Soviet moon mission... some rumors, but that's about it... the cost of such a thing would prohibit most other countries, but to say that we couldn't have done it, because other countries didn't attempt it, is kind of a, the tail wags the dog, way of approaching it...

JTCoyoté

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly."
~Thomas Paine

[jflack]

Ok, the money part makes sense to me.  Most countries can't afford it.  I wonder why no western European countries like England, France and Germany didn't try. 

I really don't know whether or not American men stepped foot on the moon.  If there is no scientific benefit or any benefit for exploring the moon, I just don't know what the big deal is.

All of that money should have been put to better use. 

If those who would argue that Apollo moon mission is benefiting me personally today, please give me a legit 10 item list.  What am I using, what am I eating, how am I benefiting from a NASA moon mission.

For what it's worth,  the ending of the lunar program was exactly that, I'm sure the amount of money that was spent on it was negligible... since everything was geared toward the shuttle program... so they just officially ended the moon project...

Even at the time we were in the race with the Soviet Union, there is no record of a Soviet moon mission... some rumors, but that's about it... the cost of such a thing would prohibit most other countries, but to say that we couldn't have done it, because other countries didn't attempt it, is a kind of, the tail wags the dog, way of approaching it...

JTCoyoté

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly."
~Thomas Paine

[SUICIDEKINGS]

Yes. This is the essence of the discussion. However, the shill ranting that is coming from the no moon landing side of this thing, serves no purpose other than to further alienate the truth...

What may seem to be evidence in the mind of the untutored, will not be so to those who were involved in some way, or who have followed it with interest for many years...

Photographic evidence, based upon reconstructions using the technology of the time, has been known of, as I stated before, for at least 3 1/2 decades... as I stated before much was reconstructed... not to fool people so much, but to reconstruct what was lost...

I myself have uncovered doctored photographs from Apollo 11, some which removed information, and others which added information... there are several that if they prove to be undoctered, provide evidence of an observation platform set up between the Earth and the Moon during the missions... there is much to be looked at here that can provide evidence... on both sides... but the shill ranting on the no Moon landings side of this debate, solidifies in my mind the possibility that they, whether wittingly or unwittingly, are working for the other side, in an attempt to cover up something that assisted in the missions, that the bad guys don't want us to know about.

My initial reaction to the video remains unchanged... it was a horrible and disrespectful example of what should not become the norm in the 9/11 truth movement... because many people are turned off by the kind of thing this video represents... it is a brown shirt tactic that demonizes without real evidence.

JTCoyoté

"Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
~ Ben Franklin

Van Alen radiation belt....Case closed.

[JTCoyoté]

Van Alen radiation belt....Case closed.

The Van Allen radiation belt, what...? What about the Van Allen radiation belt? Do you even know what it is? Do you know what it's comprised of? Do you have any idea how many rems of radiation it would impart on a human being inside an enclosed Capsule? Do you know how long the average Apollo Spacecraft spent within the Van Allen Radiation Belt?

I can just hear you blubbering, "Give Us Barabbas!"... or from Monte Python, "She's a witch... she turned me into a newt..." "What? You don't look like a newt...?" "Well, I got were better... she's still a witch... Burn Her!"....

The energized particles inside the van Allen radiation belts, are not in free motion, they are highly charged but their energy is confined in tightly circumscribed motion by the Earth's magnetic field that created these belts in the first place. Like iron filings on a piece of paper with a bar magnet on the reverse side they are held to the paper by the magnetic field... They are confined as they shoot on their way through space just before they reach the Earth much like ballistic jelly will trap a b-b... A good way of putting it is that these radioactive particles have been tamed and confined and act as a barrier against similar particles by the earth's magnetic field...

If you spent an entire year inside a capsule covered by a skin of 1/4 inch thick aluminum, within the Van Allen radiation belts, you would receive the equivalent of 1250rems or 12.5SV per year of radiation due to the charged particle's low relatively motionless energy within the belt. That is one half of the maximum amount of radiation the average radiation worker at a nuclear power plant is allowed in an equal amount of exposure time. The average Apollo mission took about 3 1/2 hours one-way to completely pass through and clear the Van Allen belts... In other words, the average worker at a nuclear power plant receives twice the radiation in about half of his 8 hr shift, as the astronauts received on the way the moon due to the Van Allen radiation belts.

Case still very much open.

JTCoyoté

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly."
~Thomas Paine

[Robodoon]

Yes/No it doesn't matter.

Who can think of the moon, when the Earth is so screwed up.

IE ...our families don't live on the moon, they live here on Earth right "NOW"

[Monkeypox]

If those who would argue that Apollo moon mission is benefiting me personally today, please give me a legit 10 item list.  What am I using, what am I eating, how am I benefiting from a NASA moon mission.

Let's see...

Tang
Velcro

I guess that's about it.

BTW, we Americans spent millions developing a pen that could write in space.  The Soviets took a simpler approach...they used pencils.

[JTCoyoté]

Yes/No it doesn't matter.

Who can think of the moon, when the Earth is so screwed up.

IE ...our families don't live on the moon, they live here on Earth right "NOW"

It's Not a Question of What Is or Is Not Screwed up, It's about Rewriting History... Our Families Don't Live in Philadelphia in 1776 Either... Should We Rewrite That To Where It Didn't Happen too... Just Because Some People Found Some Doctored Documents...?

You Don't Change History without Doubtless, Undeniable, Proof, Just like You Don't Change Governments for Light and Transient Causes.

--Oldyoti

"When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
 ~Thomas Paine

[munkey]

one thing I could never understand is when the Astronauts walked on the surface of the moon, the dust fell as fast as the Astronauts. more like sand
I thought the moon surface was small rocks and fine powder due to asteroids hitting it.

Astronauts  jumping should have caused large dust plumes due to the minimal gravity on the moon itself.

I am no expert on lunar surfaces, just going on what I have read

[JTCoyoté]

You have to remember there is no atmosphere whatsoever on the moon. There is nothing there that could suspend even the finest dust. The finest powder even confectioners flour... would fall like a stone...

The suits that the astronauts were wearing, virtually doubled their weight... those guys were toting around well over 180 pounds... plus their own weight.

I remember an experiment that was performed on the surface, I can't remember who it was but he was on film, standing in front of the lunar landing module... the astronaut was holding a pen feather from a goose in one hand and a rock hammer and the other... He said that Galileo had predicted that in a perfect vacuum, (zero atmosphere), in the presence of gravity all objects would fall toward the center of that gravity at the same speed... with that he released the hammer and the feather at the same time, and they both struck the ground at his feet at the same time... then he said..."How 'bout that... Mr. Galileo was correct."

I don't think the supposed Nevada sound stage was set up for complete vacuum filming...

--Oldyoti

"When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
 ~Thomas Paine

[jflack]

LOL! 

Dude, that is stinkin hilarious!

I forgot about that horrible Tang commercial from the 80's.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IrzeGkCzW64

Or this one from 1967

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Zgqu_kozD4&feature=related

Let's see...

Tang
Velcro

I guess that's about it.

BTW, we Americans spent millions developing a pen that could write in space.  The Soviets took a simpler approach...they used pencils.

[munkey]

You have to remember there is no atmosphere whatsoever on the moon. There is nothing there that could suspend even the finest dust. The finest powder even confectioners flour... would fall like a stone...

The suits that the astronauts were wearing, virtually doubled their weight... those guys were toting around well over 180 pounds... plus their own weight.

I remember an experiment that was performed on the surface, I can't remember who it was but he was on film, standing in front of the lunar landing module... the astronaut was holding a pen feather from my goose in one hand and a rock hammer and the other... He said that Galileo had predicted that in a perfect vacuum, (zero atmosphere), in the presence of gravity all objects would fall toward the center of that gravity at the same speed... with that he released the hammer and the feather at the same time, and they both struck the ground at his feet at the same time... then he said..."How 'bout that... Mr. Galileo was correct."

I don't think the supposed Nevada sound stage was set up for complete vacuum filming...

--Oldyoti

"When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
 ~Thomas Paine

thanks for that.
I never knew about that experiment

[JTCoyoté]

thanks for that.
I never knew about that experiment

Yes, it is quite interesting, the feather was a falcon feather not a goose feather as I stated before...

Anyway, here is the Apollo 15 clip, the astronaut is David Scott...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PE81zGhnb0w

--Oldyoti

When my country, into which I had just set my foot,
was set on fire about my ears, it was time to stir.
It was time for every man to stir."
~Thomas Paine, Common Sense