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« Reply #840 on: June 28, 2009, 03:17:19 PM » |
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No response yet from dok, burlguy, david england or jackson holly to demonstrate their research skills.
I'm only asking them to be honest with us.
I would like each of them to tell us how much research they did on the claim in the "different lighting" picture.
I'm sure they must have done lots.
If they can convince me they have researched this picture/commentary as best they can and they still think it's not BS then I will prove to them why it is.
Is that fair?
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« Reply #841 on: June 28, 2009, 03:20:43 PM » |
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No response yet from dok, burlguy, david england or jackson holly to demonstrate their research skills.
I'm only asking them to be honest with us.
I would like each of them to tell us how much research they did on the claim in the "different lighting" picture.
I'm sure they must have done lots.
If they can convince me they have researched this picture/commentary as best they can and they still think it's not BS then I will prove to them why it is.
Is that fair?
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« Reply #842 on: June 28, 2009, 03:24:06 PM » |
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Well, what research have YOU done? Would you mind sharing it with us?
I'm willing to do that.. but first we need to know just how much effort the supporters of the picture/commentary made to investigate it's claims. It will be interesting to see how they go about testing what they read. |
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« Reply #843 on: June 28, 2009, 03:27:45 PM » |
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Oh.. and investigating THAT particular claim couldn't be easier.
What would you do faced with someone claiming something wrong with two pictures that they've cropped, pasted (& who knows what else) and included on their webpage?
There is an investigative process here that real seekers of truth would follow.
I would like to know how far down that road they went.
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« Reply #844 on: June 28, 2009, 03:34:39 PM » |
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Hey burlguy, how far down the investigative road did you go?
Did you even get out the door?
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« Reply #845 on: June 28, 2009, 03:55:08 PM » |
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Well not to totally hijack the flaming here but this seems interesting development for the 40th anniversary this July.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/110442/WORLD-EXCLUSIVE-NASA-finds-missing-moon-landing-tapesWORLD EXCLUSIVE: NASA FINDS MISSING MOON LANDING TAPES Sunday June 28 2009 byTed Jeory ECSTATIC space officials at Nasa could be about to unveil one of their most stunning discoveries for 40 years — new and amazingly clear footage of the first moon landing. The release of the new images next month could be one of the most talked about events of the summer.
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« Reply #846 on: June 28, 2009, 03:55:53 PM » |
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No.. burlguy.. don't go off the subject.
I'm talking about that specific "different lighting" picture.
Did you investigate it?
If not, how would you go about it?
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« Reply #848 on: June 29, 2009, 12:13:59 AM » |
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I answered this pages ago..... What are you doing? Spinning this again?
I don't think you did answer about the "different lighting" pictures. Are you saying they are bullsh*t? |
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« Reply #849 on: June 29, 2009, 12:21:05 AM » |
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1777 posts on this forum one over 1776...... Are you asking me something again? You really are going to have to learn and study for your self no more free answers for you starting now.
I'm asking you about the "diiferent lighting" picture. Have you investigated it yet or do you accept it's premise? |
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« Reply #851 on: June 29, 2009, 06:20:08 AM » |
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http://www.strangerthanfiction.org/2009/05/26/japanese-orbiter-finds-no-evidence-apollo-missions-landed-on-moon/Pravda Tuesday, May 26, 2009 There is something wrong with US mission to the Moon. The legendary space mission is still shrouded in mystery. Mankind still has a number of reasons to cast doubt on the miracle of inter-planetary flights. Many people still say that US astronauts have never landed on the Moon. Japan’s Kaguya lunar orbiter took several pictures of the site, where Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 supposedly landed in 1971 and 1972. If the astronauts had ever landed there, they should have left a lot of equipment on the site, including the rovers, on which they traveled on the surface of the Earth’s satellite. The pictures, which the Japanese rover took, showed not even the slightest hint of the US presence on the Moon. There was only a spot of dust seen on the photograph of the site, from which Apollo-15 blasted off on its journey back to Earth. The spot, NASA said, was a firm evidence of Apollo’s presence on the Moon. It is an open secret that the Moon’s entire surface is all covered with a thick layer of dust. US astronauts took many pictures of their shoeprints on the Moon’s surface. Joseph Skipper, a researcher of lunar and Martian anomalies, has many questions about the evidence, which the lunar dust provides. A number of images, made by the US astronauts showed their lunar rover standing at a distance from the landing module. There can be no wheel tracks seen on the pictures – as if the rover had flown from the lander to the site where it was photographed. Japanese Orbiter Finds No Evidence Apollo Missions Landed On Moon. One may assume that the lunar ground was too hard for the wheel tracks to appear in it. However, there are many shoeprints in the dust around the rover. They can be seen even underneath the rover, although there are no wheel tracks on the ground at all. Many people say that the US astronauts have never landed on the moon and that the entire mission is a fake. Others say that the missions took place, although the astronauts did not land on the Moon every time they traveled there. They could probably exaggerate their success to baffle the USA ’s major rival in the space race – the USSR. It is not ruled out, though, that the discovered anomalies can be explained. They can be probably connected with certain peculiarities of the lunar dust and its interaction with electrostatic charges. However, serious scientists prefer not to throw too much light on the subject.
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« Reply #853 on: June 29, 2009, 07:17:45 AM » |
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U.S. scientists unveil NASA’s secrets about cities on the Moon and microbes on Mars Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/99895-moon-0 The former manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA’s Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Program, Ken Johnston, has released quite a number of sensational statements recently in the USA. The specialist said that U.S. astronauts found ancient ruins of artificial origin and a previously unknown technology to control gravitation when then landed on the Moon. Astronauts took pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order. He said that the U.S. government had been keeping this information a secret for 40 years. Johnston's startling Apollo allegations have recently appeared in a new book, "Dark Mission: the Secret History of NASA," co-authored by former NASA consultant and CBS Science Advisor, Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara, an aerospace engineering consultant. According to Kay Ferrari, JPL Director of the SSA Program (in a phone call to Johnston last week), it was Johnston "being quoted [as] criticizing NASA in Hoagland's new book, 'Dark Mission,'" that prompted her to ask for Johnston's resignation from the SSA Program. When Johnston refused, citing First Amendment protections of free speech afforded all NASA employees, even those at JPL, Ferrari apparently decided to remove him arbitrarily from the SSA Program this week without cause. The low quality pictures included in the book depict ruins of buildings, huge dome-like objects made of glass, stone towers and castled hanging in the air. “I have nothing to lose. I have quarreled with NASA and I got fired,” Ken Johnston said. Indeed, NASA believes that allegations of the ancient civilization found on the Moon are not serious. The authors of the controversial book also say that President John F. Kennedy, who launched the lunar race with the Soviet Union, actually intended to share extraterrestrial technologies with Moscow. Making a speech at the United Nations Organizations in September of 1963, Kennedy supposedly offered the USSR to organize a joint mission to the Moon. Richard Hoagland believes that Washington’s interest in the Moon exploration that suddenly appeared after 30 years of silence is based on the lunar findings that the U.S. government has been keeping a secret for 40 years. Russia, China, Japan and even India have publicly announced their plans to work on the exploration of the Moon. The USA, Hoagland said, wants to be the first at this point. In December NASA announced plans to build an international base on one of the poles of the Moon. The base is to be finished by 2024. Russia’s booster rocket maker, Energia, has a more ambitious program: to build a permanent manned base on the Moon by 2015. Russia says the base will be built to develop the industrial production of helium-3. U.S. specialists prefer not to say anything specific on the matter. To crown it all, China launched its first satellite to the Moon on October 24. China also intends to launch a lunar base and an unmanned space probe to the Moon by 2010. Non-radioactive isotope of helium, helium-3, is a powerful fuel for the nuclear synthesis. Only six tons of this fuel would provide enough energy to power a large European country for one year. The qualities of the gas (pollution-free and very high output) make many countries treat the perspective as seriously as possible. Germany, India and China conduct a number of research works to develop methods of helium-3 extraction. Hoagland and Johnston also intend to prove that NASA virtually acts as another defense department of the United States, entitled to classify important technical and scientific information without the control of the U.S. Congress. Hoagland says that American astronauts could secretly deliver samples of extraterrestrial technologies from the Moon to the Earth. The technologies, the scientist says, push world’s leading countries into a new lunar race. “Unlike the previous space race between the USSR and the USA, the new one will determine the life of every single human being on Earth,” Hoagland said. Hoagland and Johnston think that the USA deliberately intensifies shuttle launches in order to shut down the program ahead of schedule and start using new the spacecraft, Constellation, that will let the USA land on the Moon again. Richard Hoagland says that NASA conceals a number of other secrets, including the discovery of microbes on the surface of Mars. The discovery was supposedly made by unmanned space probe Viking in 1976. Based on news reports of Russian news agencies |
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« Reply #854 on: June 29, 2009, 07:29:35 AM » |
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I think that Richard Hoagland's purpose is just to reinforce the view that we've been to the moon.
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« Reply #855 on: June 29, 2009, 07:31:05 AM » |
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I think that Richard Hoagland's purpose is just to reinforce the view that we've been to the moon.
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« Reply #856 on: June 29, 2009, 10:13:35 AM » |
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Well... dok, burlguy, david england, jackson holly. Are you ready to demonstrate your research skills.
I'm only asking you to be honest with us.
I would like each of you to tell us how much research you did on the claim in the "different lighting" picture.
I'm sure you must have done lots.
If you can convince me they you researched this picture/commentary as best you could and you still think it's not BS then I will prove to you why it is.
I think that's fair.
Are you honest seekers of the truth?
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« Reply #857 on: June 29, 2009, 11:00:38 AM » |
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Did someone say something? I am not sure if someone said something...?   Well did you research the pictures? Are you an honest person? |
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« Reply #858 on: June 29, 2009, 11:51:42 AM » |
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He sings like Dr. Evil. Do you think there's any signifigance? Predictive programming or plagiarism? Which one came first? (I'm not taking it too, too seriously. But, he's had some time to concoct new memories and feel comfortable with them. He's really rolling with it now.) Did you watch the making of? Pretty funny. Pump up da white man and laugh about it. Dr. Evil for easy comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzoLUzwMMII read Buzz Aldrin's description of walking on the moon. It'd say it was written by a professional writer working back from the facts they needed to prove and to be consistent with the anomolies. I'm not sure if you can see any stars from the moon, but they were sure to back that up in his song and statement. I've heard it said that they decided to black out the stars to not open the can of worms because astronomers could detect discrepencies in how the stars were layed out. |
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« Reply #859 on: June 29, 2009, 11:57:54 AM » |
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With all these pages I can't be sure if this one was ever posted. I found it on the Daily Paul's moon hoax thread. Same gibberish going on there. Same story, lone nut harrassing the debunkers. If you can detect liars, it's a telling one to watch: Clip of Apollo 11 press conference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro |
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« Reply #860 on: June 29, 2009, 12:18:35 PM » |
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I think that Richard Hoagland's purpose is just to reinforce the view that we've been to the moon.
And I think Hoagland is full of crap. I took a look at many pictures he claims show structures in the background but its just artifacts created by scanning the image. There are pictures where that effect goes over from the background to the foreground clearly showing that its an artifact created by processing the picture. |
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« Reply #861 on: June 29, 2009, 02:31:55 PM » |
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I don't trust Hoagland either, I think some of his ideas go against the evidence, but he flies with them anyway. I haven't read his book but, I listened to his interview with Alex. The views he was coming up with didn't ring as credible. I think Alex was trying to be objective and held back even though he disagreed.
Didn't the late Jim Keith who wrote "Alternative 3" express similar views on covert, advanced US technology in partnership with Aliens? And the bases on the dark side of the Moon. I went most of my life not realizing that the moon doesn't spin on it's axis, it's static. I should have listened more closely to my Pink Floyd albums.
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« Reply #862 on: June 29, 2009, 04:14:27 PM » |
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Hoagland was one of the people pushing the "face" of Mars and "pyramids" on Mars if I remember correctly?
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Hoagland was one of the people pushing the "face" of Mars and "pyramids" on Mars if I remember correctly?
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« Reply #864 on: June 29, 2009, 04:28:48 PM » |
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I dont like his theorys, but i do like that he pointed out the color changes in the Martian pics.
I love Ted Twietmeyer's work on this - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Ted+Twietmeyer+mars+&btnG=Search&meta=The thing with Hoagland is he can look at a photo of a rock and see a Mayan Temple full of alien babies. |
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« Reply #865 on: June 29, 2009, 04:33:29 PM » |
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Well... dok, burlguy, david england, jackson holly. Are you ready to demonstrate your research skills.
I'm only asking you to be honest with us.
I would like each of you to tell us how much research you did on the claim in the "different lighting" picture.
I'm sure you must have done lots.
If you can convince me they you researched this picture/commentary as best you could and you still think it's not BS then I will prove to you why it is.
I think that's fair.
Are you honest seekers of the truth?
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« Reply #866 on: June 29, 2009, 04:41:53 PM » |
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Call yourself truth seekers?
I don't think so.
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« Reply #867 on: June 29, 2009, 04:42:53 PM » |
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no one cares what you have to say any more in this thread. move along, were done with you and are on to other things.
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« Reply #868 on: June 29, 2009, 04:45:48 PM » |
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You're busted.
Dishonest avoiders of truth.
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« Reply #869 on: June 29, 2009, 05:36:29 PM » |
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You're busted.
Dishonest avoiders of truth.
You know I like you Vos’ but I need to ask you, when you go fishing do you often reel in a empty hook? |
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Nooooo my false reality! Arrrrghhh! |
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« Reply #872 on: June 29, 2009, 11:30:48 PM » |
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Geez don't criticism the Apollo program, you'll end up toasted in the shuttle, having your car rammed on some train tracks, or die in other various freak accidents.
"Three quarters of a million people can't keep a secret like that."
Well 750,000 people weren't involved in the conspiracy you bald ninny. Also look at the Manhattan project, how many people did they employ under total secrecy? Yeah... shut up badlie.
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« Reply #873 on: June 30, 2009, 12:07:23 AM » |
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 Maybe Voskhod3 can explain this ....  ~~~ O ~~~ This is bullshit and I can prove it. This is typical of all the Apollo hoax bullshit. So how come dok, david england, burlguy and Jackson Holly don't want to disclaim it or accept my challenge? This is typical of hoax believers. Not interested in the truth. If I prove it's wrong you say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I don't research stuff, I will research stuff better in future". If I'm wrong I'll say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I'm an idiot, you are right, there is something suspicious about the Apollo program". Come on.. are you afraid? Why do you think it's acceptable to post crap like this then run away when challenged? |
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« Reply #874 on: June 30, 2009, 12:09:33 AM » |
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So prove it already if you can.... ffs.
Either you care about the truth or care about the argument itself and the ego you gleam from it. Which is it...
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« Reply #875 on: June 30, 2009, 12:20:44 AM » |
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So prove it already if you can.... ffs.
I can. It doesn't work like that with hoax believers. You see if I prove it without their involvement they forget about it. They have to say it's bullsh*t themselves or accept my challenge. Posting crap and running away or crying about being challenged is not the sign of someeone interested in truth. |
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« Reply #876 on: June 30, 2009, 12:37:14 AM » |
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I'll give it a day or two before I rule in my mind that you're option number 2 I listed.
Somebody needs to PM me their argument so I can present it for you to gnaw on if that's what you want so badly.
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« Reply #877 on: June 30, 2009, 12:44:09 AM » |
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What to do you think about the "different lighting" claim?
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« Reply #878 on: June 30, 2009, 12:47:12 AM » |
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What to do you think about the "different lighting" claim?
Have you done any research yourself?
Research on that? Nope. Never seen that picture before. You've been harping about a challenge for almost over 3 pages of this thread. I simply want you to stop prancing around the damn issue and provide your opinion already. |
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« Reply #879 on: June 30, 2009, 12:48:46 AM » |
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Research on that? Nope. Never seen that picture before.
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