NASA!!!...Psy-op, Photoshop, Terra-forming... What's Up, NASA?

[iks83]

lol Harconen

But its a nice made up story. But the times claiming something with no proof are over... how does he come to that conclusion? Where is the proof? And why are the nazis always held up to be superhuman scientists having moon bases and mars bases and flying saucers and crap?

[Harconen]

lol Harconen

But its a nice made up story. But the times claiming something with no proof are over... how does he come to that conclusion? Where is the proof? And why are the nazis always held up to be superhuman scientists having moon bases and mars bases and flying saucers and crap?

Yup, it loli stuff, but can be real if you know this http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm

[iks83]

Yup... faked photos and no real source are absolute proof. Please... real information. This isnt coast to coast am where you have some crazy story on and the host acts as if he believes it and oooh amazing and blablabla. Its BS plain and simple. Now if those pictures come from real archives and can be tracked back... i might look more into it but since there is nothing just a nice story you can fling around in your mind and dream about. Now back to topic please.

[Harconen]

Yup... faked photos and no real source are absolute proof. Please... real information. This isnt coast to coast am where you have some crazy story on and the host acts as if he believes it and oooh amazing and blablabla. Its BS plain and simple. Now if those pictures come from real archives and can be tracked back... i might look more into it but since there is nothing just a nice story you can fling around in your mind and dream about. Now back to topic please.

Google it for more info. I think there is something in it. Here you can find more info http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ufoaleman.htm#inicio

[carlee]

Well I guess watching the Lacross impact in real time from NASA Tv at 4:30 Am I must have missed the plume.... As did everyone else. But Nasa once again has been able to evaluate the footage and found a plume...

  http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Moon-crater-NASA/photo//091019/photos_sc_afp/5e6883b300dd2ae0c3d473d9b792d0d9//s:/afp/20091019/ts_alt_afp/usspacemoonnasa

  only took a week to make it up. 

[africknamerican]

What I don't get it, how can rockets work in the vacuum of space? When they thrust, what are they thrusting against?

I started wondering about this, prompted by doing some more reading from "moon hoax" sites. Prior to the space program, there were professors of physics who scoffed at the idea that rockets could work in space. The New York Times ridiculed it. Under well known principles of physics, one could not use any kind of chemical/combustion-based propulsion that would work with no air to push against.

I'm looking for answers to this question and the standard NASA-approved answers just usually quote Newton: "Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction." Thus, they infer, combust fuel in a rocket and it must propel the rocket -- even in a vacuum. But Newton had never been to space. He based this law upon observations within Earth's atmosphere, and clearly, in an atmosphere this is how things work. Push against air and it does give you an opposite reaction. But again: There is no air in space!

Some sites say, that the rocket brings along its own mass against which to react. They claim the combusting rocket fuel pushes against previously expelled rocket fuel and that this provides the propulsion. Sounds sketchy to me.

Another answer says it's all based on kinetic energy. It's basically a shock wave. Of course, a shock wave will move an object. Still, doesn't a shock wave need a medium, some matter, through which to transmit -- such as earth, or an atmosphere? Again, if there's no atmosphere in space, how do you transmit a shock wave?

I do not doubt that space propulsion has been done, I just question whether they've been doing it using the primitive chemical combustion-based physics they've claimed to be using. Even in WWII there were reports of Nazi aircraft doing incredible "UFO-like" things not attainable by jet aircraft then or now. We grabbed as many top Nazi scientists as we could. Could it be that the entire public space program has been a Nazi "Big Lie" and a cover-up of something far more advanced? 

If anybody can definitively answer this question for me, I'll be quite thankful. I'm the first to admit that I'm no rocket scientist.

[Monkeypox]

It's no longer a mystery to me why the forum has been slow on posts lately; with discouraging assholes like this dude no wonder the topic creation rate has dropped off!!

Hey, where is your weird PGP crap?

Is this really you?

 

[reddog801]

One simple answer....Yes. We did fake it and still hold on to the falseness to this very day.


Eric

[Monkeypox]

One simple answer....Yes. We did fake it and still hold on to the falseness to this very day.


Eric

For your reading pleasure:

http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

[africknamerican]

Every well-established truth was once considered a "faux controversy" by the mainstream, and many still are. 

[reddog801]

For your reading pleasure:

http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

Great Site and excellent explanations....


Eric
 

[GhostofTsenzei]

My vote is yes, but I was just wondering where the rest of my infowarrior brothers and sisters stand on this issue.

1-There is no way the technology existed in the 1960's to pilot a craft and land it on the surface of the moon

This, and points 2 and 3 are the same.  Gus may have disagreed, and tests may have failed, but that doesn't mean they didn't succeed when it mattered.  Aside from that, there are very likely other factors in play, some which may have helped, some which may have hindered, that the tests could not fully duplicate.

4-In almost every picture of the apollo missions from the moon, one can clearly see multiple light sources, from the shadows going off in different directions to the astronauts being clearly visible in shadows.  This is an impossibility if the sun was the only light source, as it wouldve been from the moon

A: Reflections from surface of the Moon and/or equipment.
B: They brought other lights with them.
C: Both.

Pick one.

What I don't get it, how can rockets work in the vacuum of space? When they thrust, what are they thrusting against?

To answer this: Pressure.

I'm likely not doing a good job explaining this very well, but that's it in a nutshell.

I'm trying to think about a good way to explain it.  You're presumption is that Newton is wrong:

I'm looking for answers to this question and the standard NASA-approved answers just usually quote Newton: "Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction." Thus, they infer, combust fuel in a rocket and it must propel the rocket -- even in a vacuum. But Newton had never been to space. He based this law upon observations within Earth's atmosphere, and clearly, in an atmosphere this is how things work. Push against air and it does give you an opposite reaction. But again: There is no air in space!

When pressure builds, especially as a result of combustion or explosive force, it does not choose any single direction to go into.  It goes in all directions.  When a rocket has a single way for pressure to escape, it moves in the opposite direction.  This is at least in part because of the pressure within it, acting against the more solid parts of the rocket, separate from any forces that are acted upon the rocket due to the directed energy that leaves.  In other words, the rocket is pushing against itself.

Some sites say, that the rocket brings along its own mass against which to react. They claim the combusting rocket fuel pushes against previously expelled rocket fuel and that this provides the propulsion. Sounds sketchy to me.

While it would depend on the rocket, this could be accurate (I haven't tested it), for so long as the pressure and mass is there long enough to react to the escaping force before dissipating in the vacuum (which does take time after all).

Another answer says it's all based on kinetic energy. It's basically a shock wave. Of course, a shock wave will move an object. Still, doesn't a shock wave need a medium, some matter, through which to transmit -- such as earth, or an atmosphere? Again, if there's no atmosphere in space, how do you transmit a shock wave?

I'm vaguely certain that the rocket is comprised of mass, as is the fuel, and gas.

I do not doubt that space propulsion has been done, I just question whether they've been doing it using the primitive chemical combustion-based physics they've claimed to be using.

All that said, I see no reason that it would be impossible for them to be using technology not publicly known, either in place of, or (more likely if it is used) to augment what they already have.


Now I think it's time to focus on more pertinent matters, like economic shenanigans (yes, I said shenanigans), treaties and deals public and private that remove the rights of the people of the US and other nations abroad, and the consumption of cake and/or pie.

[d0rn]

One thing is not clear to me; fake the whole thing, and leave evidence on the moon, or rather lack of evidence. We all know technology is only getting better. Wont take forever until someone gets a good telescope or his personal frigate ( I know, stretching it here ) to check if it really is fake or not. You get my point. I suppose they could put the equipment there later. But how good are they for real if they could predict the human mind, and not risk it all just because a group of people pointed some new telescope and proved it was all a hoax. Just doesn't add up. So much at stake yet to make such a stupid mistake as to let human curiosity get the best of them, literally.

[matrixcutter]

For your reading pleasure:

http://www.jayweidner.com/AlchemicalKubrickIIa.html

Here's another one:
http://www.jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html
Secrets of The Shining:
Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.
By Jay Weidner

And this video is interesting, if I remember rightly:
Dark Side of The Moon (41mins)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2304895215368202642

[Omni1]

Had the moon landings been fake, the Soviets would have exposed it by day one...

They had their eye close on the ship, watched it, and tracked it coming back.

Had there been no ship, the USSR would have been all over it.

[matrixcutter]

Had the moon landings been fake, the Soviets would have exposed it by day one...

Unless of course they were both controlled by the same force at the top, and the entire Cold War was a scam.

[Omni1]

Unlikely...

Unless every single person in the Soviet space program and military tracking stations were behind it, it would have come out already...

So far the only people talking about it being a hoax are Americans..

[GhostofTsenzei]

One thing is not clear to me; fake the whole thing, and leave evidence on the moon, or rather lack of evidence. We all know technology is only getting better. Wont take forever until someone gets a good telescope

There are telescopes that are good enough already, actually.

They did at least leave the rover.  Long term parking rates were good I hear.

[Dig]

Every well-established truth was once considered a "faux controversy" by the mainstream, and many still are. 

So did every bullshit lie and piece of disinformation.

Not to rain on your parade, but you probably could think of a better response. At least I would hope so.

IMO, a lot of shit was faked and a lot of shit was real.

Here is the real moon hoax...

WHERE IS OUR F*CKING MONEY NAZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU OWE US MONEY, YOU NAZI FRAUDSTER PIECES OF SHIT WHO ARE MILITARIZING SPACE FOR MORE NWO POWER TRIPS, WEATHER MODIFICATION, FAKED RAPTURE, AND PROJECT BLUE BEAM!

[africknamerican]

Here's another one:
http://www.jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html
Secrets of The Shining:
Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.
By Jay Weidner

I have read that one article so far ... Weidner has a very, very interesting site.

Very lucid and level-headed in tone and seems to know his stuff technically. Though I would like to see some footnotes.

[africknamerican]

Unlikely...

Unless every single person in the Soviet space program and military tracking stations were behind it, it would have come out already...

Nonsense! This is the standard boilerplate line used to dismiss any and all "conspiracy theories."

"Conspiracies can't happen, too many people would have to know about it." To say that, shows that one has little or no understanding of how a covert operation (or secret society, or organized crime family, or most other serious conspiracies) actually works. 

[africknamerican]

Unless of course they were both controlled by the same force at the top, and the entire Cold War was a scam.

Which is exactly the case!

[africknamerican]

Unless of course they were both controlled by the same force at the top, and the entire Cold War was a scam.

Which is exactly the case!

No, communism was not a scam, and communists infiltrating domestically were not a scam, but the "us vs. them" part was the scam. While they were warning us about the commies "over there," they were remaking this country along the same lines.

If you ask me, hoaxing a trip to the moon would have been the perfect cap to an entire decade of psyops and mind control of the American populace. Traumatize them by murdering their leaders. Dope them up with CIA LSD. Deal with the problem of a well-educated middle class coming of age and starting to figure out your scams by misleading them down false trails. Instead of fruitful political activism, lead them into hippy-dippy free love and drugs. Meanwhile, you're prosecuting your illegal and genocidal war in Vietnam to prop up the military-industrial complex and its fake "Commies are comin to getcha!" story line. A "trip to the moon" is not only a perfect distraction from the war in Vietman and the unrest at home, and a chance to whip up patriotic pride in "a great American achievement," and an opportunity to focus people's minds on yet another centralized national program, very similar to war, but one that Americans can feel good about. It is a huge mind control device in itself. The Big Lie is a classic mind control tool. Once you get people to believe what ought to be obvious as a hoax and a lie (and the subconscious mind surely can figure this out), you have them in a state of cognitive dissonance which is a trance-inducing state. You can get them to acquiesce to anything.
 

[Jackson Holly]

africknamerican:  ^ ^ ^

Very well said ... and is very close to the way I see it.

I usually argue for faked moonshots, though I am not 100% convinced either way.

However, the NWO had all their ducks in a row ... they had the impetus, the ways and the means to completely fake all the moonwalks and to carry the alternate reality forward ... just read through this thread.