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the video of them landing and getting out was faked yes. the ladder etc was not right just too many things not right. But I do however think we were on the moon. just the landing was filmed in a studio.
I seen a good show the mythbusters did on the moon walks to see if it was faked. They couldnt prove it was faked.
I just think it wasnt faked that we were there. But I do agree that the landing was faked.
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« Reply #201 on: June 04, 2009, 07:06:32 AM » |
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The mythbusters walk bit was the only good thing about that episode... they effectively proved that u can't fake a low gravity walk ... the rest of it was just silly ... they were trying to prove the moon landing wasn't staged... by staging a moonlanding!
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« Reply #203 on: June 04, 2009, 07:44:35 AM » |
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We definitely went to the moon but I won't discount the possibility that there were some shenanigans concerning some of the actual photos/ footage.
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« Reply #204 on: June 04, 2009, 07:52:54 AM » |
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Do you believe only the first landing was faked or the other ones as well?
And why the hell would they do it? I mean, back then, it was a prestige thing, but if I was a NWO commander in chief I would absolutely not want my people to know that it is possible to go to space. I'd try to convince them that the Earth is flat, in essence, and that the firmament is a real physical "roof" with stars as reflectors if possible.
Moon landing brings up the imagination, the better things in man, this is nothing I'd like to play with if I wanted to instigate world wide tyranny.
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« Reply #205 on: June 04, 2009, 08:05:13 AM » |
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Helloooo..... I've been saying that!!!!
9/11, Moon Landing, Water Boarding Mythbusters episdoes.... all propaganda! Although... did they do a 9/11 episode or did I imagine it...
No as far as i know they wont do a 9/11 related episode - it says on thier website not to send in myths around 9/11 - i guess they dont want big bro to shut them down ! |
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« Reply #206 on: June 05, 2009, 02:15:51 PM » |
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The mythbusters walk bit was the only good thing about that episode... they effectively proved that u can't fake a low gravity walk ... the rest of it was just silly ... they were trying to prove the moon landing wasn't staged... by staging a moonlanding!
Exactly! The only thing they proved is that you can fake a Moon landing in a studio! That's just what they did. "If I would be you I would be rather angered immensly by getting fooled by a hair on a photograph or lack of understanding of physics." What do you mean? What hair on a photograph? |
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« Reply #207 on: June 05, 2009, 02:22:11 PM » |
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The C on the famous "C rock" is a hair where you even see the shadow the hair is casting. Course some make up all kind of BS that its not a hair. See... truth is simple... the more complicated something gets the more you are on the wrong way.
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« Reply #208 on: June 05, 2009, 02:27:37 PM » |
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The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off.
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« Reply #209 on: June 05, 2009, 03:07:27 PM » |
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I heard that they did go to the moon , in an extra-terrestrial spacecraft .
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« Reply #210 on: June 05, 2009, 03:24:22 PM » |
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Since I read of the account of the Australian woman who saw the first airing of it before they edited, she saw a coke can/bottle being kicked out of view. Since then, I started looking closer. That landing was fake as hell! That clip of the Astronauts! That speaks volumes. Why couldn't the man put his hand on the bible?  |
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« Reply #211 on: June 05, 2009, 04:38:41 PM » |
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The "C" Rock:
I don't know if that is a bit of dust/hair on the film, a propmeister's mark or something else ... however, you did know that there is a second "C" on the ground adjacent the rock?
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« Reply #212 on: June 06, 2009, 02:46:09 AM » |
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There are also faces in trees and clouds and rocks. Seriously.... its always a new excuse when something gets debunked... oh oh oh yeah its a hair probably but there is a c on the ground!!! Gimme the picture and I find you not only Cs but the whole alphabet.
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« Reply #213 on: June 06, 2009, 07:11:50 AM » |
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 I know the arguments against the "C" rock ... and I don't mean to argue against them. I worked many years as a professional photographer ... lots of serious darkroom work, lots of retouching of negatives, etc, etc. Also, I have been on a few movie sets and I understand that it is common to 'mark the spot' on the floor for best lighting/angles ... I read somewhere that 'c' commonly refers to 'center' of the lighting setup, point of strongest light. I know it is a stretch ... I'm just saying ... |
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« Reply #214 on: June 06, 2009, 07:59:20 AM » |
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There are also faces in trees and clouds and rocks. Seriously.... its always a new excuse when something gets debunked... oh oh oh yeah its a hair probably but there is a c on the ground!!! Gimme the picture and I find you not only Cs but the whole alphabet.
So... does that prove the Moon landings were real? (Assuming the "C" isn't manufactured.) |
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« Reply #215 on: June 06, 2009, 08:01:43 AM » |
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van allen radiation belt would of killed every single astronaut on board all the Apollo spacecraft. end of story.
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« Reply #216 on: June 06, 2009, 08:03:48 AM » |
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van allen radiation belt would of killed every single astronaut on board all the Apollo spacecraft. end of story.
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« Reply #217 on: June 06, 2009, 08:04:59 AM » |
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van allen radiation belt would of killed every single astronaut on board all the Apollo spacecraft. end of story.
I've heard that was precisely what van Allen himself was saying... until he mysteriously changed his opinion after the Apollo missions... |
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« Reply #218 on: June 06, 2009, 08:08:43 AM » |
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Nonsense. They used two layers of Bacofoil to insulate themselves. rofl! good one  I've heard that was precisely what van Allen himself was saying... until he mysteriously changed his opinion after the Apollo missions...
ya he's not the only scientist NASA has bought the silence of. The simple matter is all it takes is about 10 minutes and a quick google search of "van allen radiation belt" and a person should be able to quickly determine that there could never have been any moon landings. However, these are the same kind of deductive reasoning and critical thinking skills that one would need to determine that fire can't melt steel and pulverize two giant skyscrapers into dust, as well as collapse a third building... and we all know how well that's going...  |
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« Reply #219 on: June 06, 2009, 08:27:09 AM » |
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van allen radiation belt would of killed every single astronaut on board all the Apollo spacecraft. end of story.
Didnt they pass thorugh a narrow area of the belts? Being only exposed to high radiation for a short amount of time short enough to not cause any damage? Well I'm no astrophyscisist and neither are those who claim it is impossible. I have yet to see any math of that... see claiming something is one thing... like the people saying the mars rovers cant parachute down on mars although the math works out perfectly. But see they dont care about real proof they just show you stuff without a clue what they are talking about fooling uneducated people. About the 2nd C... I dunno... the nasa website is down to get some high resolution photos. This morning it was still online now its not reachable. But I looked on several pictures for a 2nd C and I didnt found one. Some grainy 20x recompressed photo can create all kinds of artifacts... also its a non issue since at best it proofs that the image is staged and nothing more. |
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« Reply #220 on: June 06, 2009, 08:33:48 AM » |
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Didnt they pass thorugh a narrow area of the belts? Being only exposed to high radiation for a short amount of time short enough to not cause any damage?
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« Reply #221 on: June 06, 2009, 08:34:34 AM » |
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Didnt they pass thorugh a narrow area of the belts? Yes.. but you can tell the hoax believers this until you're blue in the face.. they don't get it. The astronauts wore dosimeters the entire trip, their exposure to radiation for the entire trip was measured and documented and analysed by the world's scientists. In fact EVERYTHING was analysied by the worlds scientists - even Russian ones. They were tracked there and back. All Apollo is out there.. the lot... it's the most scientifically publically documented event in history. There is no way that that amount of documentation is forged. And why fake it 7 times? Did they fake the Mercury flights? Did they fake the Gemini flights? Did they fake the Apollo earth orbit tests? But a hoax believer doesn't want to know. Numpties. |
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« Reply #223 on: June 06, 2009, 08:54:09 AM » |
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"But.. oh gosh... it's NASA saying it... it must be fake."
I guess so. I wouldn't believe a word they say on this.
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« Reply #225 on: June 06, 2009, 10:34:26 AM » |
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how do you explain the LEM issue then? In every single staged test the LEM [lunar landing module] never deployed successfully. It was lopsided and it's rocket propulsion system made the craft consistently tilt to one side. Here's a diagram of the retarded craft:  So you're telling me that a craft that never worked one time successfully deployed and landed on the surface of the moon, which ranges from -500F to +500F, and the operation went so smoothly that many of the apollo astronauts dicked around on the mission and hit some golfballs!? I call bullshit on NASA. I for one do not believe they had the technology in the 1960's or the capability to sustain life and navigate the tens of thousands of miles to the surface of the moon. I do believe that every shot that is supposedly from the surface of the moon was in fact shot in real time in a studio, then slowed down to 1/2 speed to make it appear as though there was weak gravity. People are retarded for the most part and would never think to question what they were seeing. |
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« Reply #226 on: June 06, 2009, 01:59:49 PM » |
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how do you explain the LEM issue then? In every single staged test the LEM [lunar landing module] never deployed successfully  Apollo 9 and 10 were successful missions except for a ten seconds brown-trouser episode when Eugene Cernan flicked the wrong switch 50,000 feet above the lunar surface - which gave us the first expletive from the moon... "son of a bitch!!!". They nearly died. Cernan is an excellent pilot and recovered a very bad incident. Cernan was the last man on the moon and gave us the last colourful quip from the moon.. "let's get this muttha outta here" prior to taking off from the surface. Cernan is a legend! |
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« Reply #227 on: June 06, 2009, 02:05:19 PM » |
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The "C" Rock:
yeah... because labeling rocks was really important when staging a fake moon landing... "this is rock A, this is rock B...". I don't know if that is a bit of dust/hair on the film, Ah... now you're talking. a propmeister's mark or something else ... however, you did know that there is a second "C" on the ground adjacent the rock? "This is bit of the moon C... this is bit of the moon D..." Just exactly why would they be labelling rocks and the ground? |
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« Reply #228 on: June 06, 2009, 02:25:43 PM » |
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So you are saying that it is in fact impossible to leave the Earth-Moon system because of the van Allen belt?
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« Reply #229 on: June 06, 2009, 02:30:06 PM » |
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Those that cannot examine the anecdotal evidence will always side with NASA.... It is useless to try and convince someone, when they think of the astronauts as idols. Those people can never accept it unless they search for themselves and discover the truth.  "anecdotal evidence"? What? Please... tell me where I can find out about the failure of the LEM on the Apollo 9 and 10 missions? Present your "anecdotal evidence" and we will examine it. Those people can never accept it unless they search for themselves and discover the truth. Anecdotal evidence trumps the mass of Apollo documentation available to scientists and the public for the last 50 years (right from the Mercury missions)? I'll tell you what we have here.. we have "people (that) can never accept it unless they search for themselves and discover the truth"... Go and find some real science that proves that Apollo was faked.. go on... there's a challenge for you. You can f*ck off with your "anecdotal evidence". |
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« Reply #230 on: June 06, 2009, 02:46:05 PM » |
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don't like it when someone screws with your reiligion huh? |
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« Reply #231 on: June 06, 2009, 02:50:03 PM » |
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don't like it when someone screws with your reiligion huh? I'll debate it as long as you like, I won't be clinging to "faith" - unlike christianity the Apollo space program has hundreds of thousands of documents that have been subjected to intense scrutiny for the last 50 years. So we'll start with this one: Someone claimed the LEM tests were a failure prior to Apollo 11. Where is the evidence. When you admit that this claim was b*llshit we can move onto the next claim. |
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« Reply #232 on: June 06, 2009, 03:03:17 PM » |
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I can tell from your emotion that you are not ready to examine anything new. The thought of all your child hood dreams being fake is overwhelming and I understand.... been there felt the same way you do. When you are ready, or perhaps you will never be ready, you should look into those questions for yourself... Present evidence or f*ck off. Simple. I will debate honest arguments as long as you like... bring them on. |
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« Reply #233 on: June 06, 2009, 03:09:18 PM » |
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Of course we did land on the moon !
Do the people who doubt this also doubt that we have landed things on Mars?
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« Reply #234 on: June 06, 2009, 03:12:34 PM » |
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So we'll start with this one:
Someone claimed the LEM tests were a failure prior to Apollo 11.
Where is the evidence.
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« Reply #235 on: June 06, 2009, 03:13:59 PM » |
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I didnt expect you to take a analytical approach..... And discover for yourself. You can handle the truth at this time in your life.... ?
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« Reply #236 on: June 06, 2009, 03:14:38 PM » |
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Retro rockets prior to orbit i`d assume ?
Also Mars does have an atmosphere (97% carbon dioxide and 3% nitrogen) so the parachutes would have some slowing effect.
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« Reply #237 on: June 06, 2009, 03:21:24 PM » |
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Have you ever wondered how the mars probe slowed from a supposed 25,000 mile an hour decent by deploying parachutes in a vacuum?
Mars has an atmosphere mostly CO2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_MarsBut hey... I'm the one who supposedly can't handle the truth. What passes for truth in your universe? |
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« Reply #238 on: June 06, 2009, 03:39:40 PM » |
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Great ... no prob... They never did get a good test with it.. http://www.bigmantra.com/man_on_moon/lem_lunar_lander.html Uh you didnt happen to consider atmospheric pressure did you? It has a tenth of a psi at the surface.... Please inform your self how parachutes work... At sea level here on earth with have 14.7 lbs per inch sq on top of Everest it is roughly 5lbs per inch sq..... I know this is to deep for some of you to understand..... Checkout Marsfakers one word on youtube it might help you guys Time for me to go golfing.... Ok - WHY? Why would they fake it? Fow what purpose? Also I seem to recall that they used those giant inflatable airbag things ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7411113.stm"Soft landing It released a parachute, used pulsed thrusters to slow to a fast walking speed, and then descended the last few metres to the Martian soil to land on three legs. " |
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« Reply #239 on: June 06, 2009, 03:48:00 PM » |
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As I suspected.. b*llshit about the "flying bedstead" that Armstrong crashed and was NOT a LEM, nothing like a LEM, and then we get the usual shit from Bill Casey which does NOT address the claim of LEM failures. The LEM was successfully tested unmanned on Apollo 5. It was next successfully tested manned on Apollo 9 in Earth orbit and the Apollo 10 in lunar orbit. Put up evidence of LEM testing failure or f*ck off. Uh you didnt happen to consider atmospheric pressure did you? It has a tenth of a psi at the surface.... Please inform your self how parachutes work... Parachutes work in an atmosphere, Mars has an atmosphere. Do you have evidence that tells us why the parachutes used for the Mars probes were insufficent in the Mars atmosphere with a martian gravity? |
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