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Thats all you lot appear to say! " been debunked over and over and over and over again" So WHERE are the facts that debunk them then? 4.05 ish in this film, reference 7% of the light reflected is a constant! FACT! so the rubbish about areas being light by reflexion to the level claimed is crap, as can be seen, it does not even have enough power to do this to a few small rocks! Thats a FACT!
Why should I do all the work for you and spoon feed information thats here in this thread and posted on the website I linked? I wonder how they calculated the 7% reflection. That the rocks have a black shadow has several reasons, one is that as you said it isnt really reflective, seconds it also depends on the camera angle and whatnot. Now look at 6.05 in to first film, ref, Uneven lighting, fall off, fill in light, to illuminate the left side of picture! placement of center marker of left leg, shadows prove depth of astronaut was not deep enough to place the center, where it was shown. Also, other pictures showing center marker which cannot be moved as it's designed and built into camera, can be seen to be behind objects showing without doubt the object must be placed between cross hair ( center) and the camera! NOW THATS IMPOSSIBLE! Unless of course you have other rational, None earthly, I expect!
Look at the HighRes photo and you will see that there isnt really that much of a fall off. Also the fill in demo with that model is laughable. You dont have a plane moon surface so in that setting the indirect light is even less. Secondly the light they used doesnt come even remotely close to the sun. Only a very small part was being exposed to light so there was not much chance for indirect lighting. Its pure deception. Also it was debunked all over the web. Also a nice site is: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html or this one in more detail about the lighting: http://www.iangoddard.com/moon01.htmIt also explains your retarded omfg the crosshair is behind the object BS which has been debunken 10000s of times but you are too stupid to care or are ignoring the facts on purpose to peddle your worthless "information" about the moon hoax. So lets start with the above, instead of ( as said before) being vague, insulting, and (unspecific) deal with the above, give us all some alternative scientific logic! It's impossible to do, as they are FACTS scientific facts! So instead of call me uneducated, which I will accept when you manage to show me answers to the above, which refute these scientific facts! Until such a time, it would appear you in fact are the provocateur of insults and empty meaningless statements!
Your scientific facts are a joke since science (or rather reality alone) is debunking them. Alternative scietific logical explanations are all over the place, in this thread, on the websites I posted but you ignore them which means you are either retarded or being a deceptive lying bastard on purpose. And its my damn right to insult stupid people who ignore everything that debunks their worldview. P.S. You prove your depth or ignorance, by making generalized derogatory comments about my level of intelligence! You know nothing about me, so based upon a few rational comments made, you somehow extrapolated an individual humans entire level of intelligence. A bit presumptuous and bigoted on your part, wouldn't you say! And theres me believing I was able to get an intelligent answer to perfectly rational, reasonable questions posed! How wrong I was.........
What a joke. Based on what you wrote here and your way of thinking or rather ignoring makes it quite easy to grasp your level of intelligence. How rational and reasonable are questions who are based on false information and ignorance of reality. You are just taking everything that supports your believe as gospel so if some "scientist" comes along supporting your view its a credible person full of facts exposing the evil lie of NASA. But if other scientists or rather people with common sense and a little understanding of physics and photography (since thats already enough) speak against your believe no matter how much more sense their explanations make, they are the evil bad disinfo NASA worshipping agents. Gimme a break. All answers for your questions can be found in this thread and on many websites out there. You just dont wanna look. And since you dont wanna look why should I spoon feed the stuff to you? You will ignore it regardless. |
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« Reply #1961 on: August 17, 2009, 07:38:29 AM » |
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4.45seconds film one! fact: look at the can. whats wrong with that?
Don't keep says it's over the thread: debunking these films: where are they then? (FACT) you have said, as usual completely nothing! FACT! Give me the tech facts not your crap!
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« Reply #1962 on: August 17, 2009, 08:40:08 AM » |
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As my previous post points out, your analogy here is as ridiculous as most of the things that you posted, and show nothing but your opinionated arrogance as well as your complete ignorance of science... you are here obviously, as a red herring dragging, purveyor of strawman, iceman2.
And iks83, you have allowed this guy to get under your skin... neither one of you in your last four posts have addressed any of the real evidence that is being presented... if you continue with this little feud you are having on these pages, I will begin deleting your posts. There are people who want to know the truth here and your personality conflict merely leads us all away from the evidence being posted.
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Don't give me, your insulting personal opinions, GIVE ME alternative scientific facts. there is none that why you retreat into personal attacks, if these guys are taking rubbish on these films, I wonder how they got their PHD,s and managed to get to being assistant to chair of Kodak, and guy who they, NASA consulted with at the camera manufacture, I suppose none of them have bloody clue, except the great YOU! Sorry pal, you have been well and truly shot down! Move on!!!! |
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« Reply #1963 on: August 17, 2009, 09:09:42 AM » |
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4.45seconds film one! fact: look at the can. whats wrong with that?
Don't keep says it's over the thread: debunking these films: where are they then? (FACT) you have said, as usual completely nothing! FACT! Give me the tech facts not your crap!
again another deception by the moon hoaxers... they dont give any source. check out the HR picture: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-66-9306HR.jpgFirst thing you should notice is that the photo used in the video was brightened up quite alot. See those tricks dont work with the internet anymore where you show a manipulated picture for a few seconds and claim its illuminated from the front and add some retarded music to somehow give it more meaning. Checking the real picture you clearly see that there is nothing illuminated from the front but that in fact the silver canister is reflecting the... omfg is that possible?!? reflecting white/gray moon surface? Thats impossible as we all know things that are standing in the shadow cant reflect anything so it must be illuminated from the front. give it up pal. you are either stupid or deceptive on purpose always repeating claims that have been debunked a long time ago. it doesnt work... we can look your claims up and find out you are lying! |
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« Reply #1965 on: August 17, 2009, 11:20:48 AM » |
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Whats more interesting in this picture is, bottom right hand corner, the tine can or container, how is that illuminated in relation to the rest of the shadow it does not fit? Also, strange how the gold foil appears to be illuminated disproportionately in relation to the rest of the shot considering the rest appears to be in complete shadow in that area! |
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« Reply #1966 on: August 17, 2009, 11:35:04 AM » |
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Here's what I was calling attention to ... looks like some kind of masking may have been going on ... can't figure why there would be hand-drawn register marks unless they were 'burned out' in the original transparency and they were pointing out to the techie on a light table where to look for them. |
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« Reply #1968 on: August 17, 2009, 11:40:54 AM » |
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again another deception by the moon hoaxers... they dont give any source. check out the HR picture: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-66-9306HR.jpgFirst thing you should notice is that the photo used in the video was brightened up quite alot. See those tricks dont work with the internet anymore where you show a manipulated picture for a few seconds and claim its illuminated from the front and add some retarded music to somehow give it more meaning. Checking the real picture you clearly see that there is nothing illuminated from the front but that in fact the silver canister is reflecting the... omfg is that possible?!? reflecting white/gray moon surface? Thats impossible as we all know things that are standing in the shadow cant reflect anything so it must be illuminated from the front. give it up pal. you are either stupid or deceptive on purpose always repeating claims that have been debunked a long time ago. it doesnt work... we can look your claims up and find out you are lying! Personally, I accept the picture are as being as accurate as possible. The reason I say this is having watched about 2 hours of this film, showing numerous experts who had direct connection with the Apollo missions in one form or another regards TV footage and stills pictures, inc the guy who has a direct copy of the originals taken from the so call mission, ie the assistant to the MD of Kodak, who show it in the film. I take this to be pretty genuine. Although, if we wish to be pedantic about this, how can we trust or accept anything! As they say, to me it's best evidence. Later in the film it also shows the reflexion of staged lights in the visor. As they show, from other space missions, if it were the sun, it would be an extremely small reflected dot on the visor, but on the so called live TV footage, there are a number of instances where, it's been freeze framed to expose a massive studio light being reflected in the visor. Clearly a staged event! I will have to re-examine this film, but one of the missions from the TV footage, it clearly shows the scenery is inconstant between one scene and another, ie, backdrop, shows landing craft, is in foreground to particular mountain range at the rear, as the next scene appears, it shows the same mountain range, but NO landing craft in the foreground! Again a clear fabrication. If can find this film on the NET, download the whole thing, as it's over 2 DVD's and quite long and comprehensive. As they indicate through this film, they are supporting the idea that things are contrived by those in power. So they appear to partially indicate NWO type media manipulation, witch most of us accept to be the case, so why the problem in accepting it in this arena. As they said n the film, Hitler once said, the bigger the lie the easier it is to fool the majority of people. We have all been made fools of on this one! |
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« Reply #1969 on: August 17, 2009, 11:48:19 AM » |
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I am not surprised! at all, I would believe there are even more than that floating about. But I am surprised Obama will admit this. But we will see. |
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« Reply #1970 on: August 17, 2009, 11:56:21 AM » |
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Well what a bloody hypocrite that Nick Pope is from the MOD, one minute he basically laughing at the UFO supporters crowed. Next minute he sat in the middle of this meeting.
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« Reply #1972 on: August 17, 2009, 01:20:10 PM » |
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Don't give me, your insulting personal opinions, GIVE ME alternative scientific facts. there is none that why you retreat into personal attacks, if these guys are taking rubbish on these films, I wonder how they got their PHD,s and managed to get to being assistant to chair of Kodak, and guy who they, NASA consulted with at the camera manufacture, I suppose none of them have bloody clue, except the great YOU! Sorry pal, you have been well and truly shot down! Move on!!!!
You continue to attempt projection of your own processes upon this moderator, who was merely instructing two posters on this forum, that their continued bickering over banana peels on the forest floor was hampering honest discussion higher in tree tops, where the meat is... you have brought zero facts, but have attacked people who have brought facts to the table, including the moderator, who is not exercising only his opinion... though in certain areas his expert opinion is from a standpoint of knowledge, and thus can be easily tested with the facts... I pointed out that the continued analysis of photographs, and the argument of some Ph.D. about photographs... the origin of which cannot be proved, will not alter the facts either way but acts as a red herring, it leads people away from the facts. The eluding to your PHD Kodak fellow, means nothing... just another red herring... how did he get to be assistant to the chair at Kodak..? Let me ask you, how did Al Gore become assistant to the President for eight years...... I'm tired of your crap you can stew on it for 10 days... --Oldyoti "What we meant, in going for those redcoats was this --
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« Reply #1973 on: August 17, 2009, 01:20:34 PM » |
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Buzz Aldrin is a real hero.
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« Reply #1974 on: August 17, 2009, 06:10:54 PM » |
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« Reply #1975 on: August 17, 2009, 06:12:47 PM » |
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Why was Buzz on the show!?!? Did he want to come on?
So he could jab at Alex? Why was he on the show? I want to know.
I'm really confused right now. What on moon is going on?
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« Reply #1976 on: August 17, 2009, 06:15:37 PM » |
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Oh, and as far as the hoax side of things go, that one video that I think Jackson posted, showing the astronauts are clearly on wires, that did it for me. How can ANYONE disprove that?
They are up in the air, kicking their legs like a little baby in a baby walker. You can't argue with what your eyes are seeing.
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« Reply #1977 on: August 17, 2009, 09:37:34 PM » |
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I'm convinced we never went to the Moon and feel there is almost reason to debate the subject, internally amongst ourselves anyway. We'll see if any other country in the next 50 years goes to the Moon with 2059 technology, without China having to fake even their space walks. Should just be a matter of elementary science... right? 1960's no big deal eh! We have nanotechnology, antimatter, and nuclear powered tunnel boring machines.... even submarines that can travel to extreme depths, surely we can make a rocket that houses people and send it up to a rock in space...and back again riiiight? After all, they say it's harder to go to the bottom of the ocean than it is to land a man on the moon, or is it?  |
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« Reply #1978 on: August 18, 2009, 01:15:26 AM » |
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Not allowed to say that on this thread, Like me you could end up be banished, ( BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING) there appears to be only one view, the party line is, WE WENT, nothing else to say. Anyway, wheres you facts? As I have been accused, you have said nothing!
You don't look banished.  We (I at least, and I'm just someone who reads) get your point btw, any more posts in that vein and you're just overdoing it. This Buzz Aldrin interview is like listening to water drip into a sink. *skips ahead* Okay he's talking about his stupid Monolith and implying Aliens. Time to turn this off. Well I'll hear what Alex has to say before I shut it off. Yikes he's acting swayed by the kookie Freemasons and their obsession with Sirius and Egypt. Ah well doesn't matter, maybe just patronizing his UFO audience for a brief moment. |
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« Reply #1979 on: August 18, 2009, 01:26:07 AM » |
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Here are questions I would have liked Alex to ask Buzz Aldrin…
1. Are you aware of any Apollo images that were faked by NASA?
2. Why did the LEM leave no landing crater?
3. Why was there no moon particles/dust on the LEM’s landing pads in the photo’s of Apollo 11?
4. Why is there a image of something resembling ET (from Steven Spielberg’s movie) next to the landers footpad?
2nd one is answered in this thread and on sites linked in this thread. Why do you expect a crater under the LEM? Just because some artist drew it in some NASA promo pic? Its stupid question that can be answered in 5 minutes of research. Go look it up. 3rd is the same. 4th well why are there faces in trees? Or clouds? That question is so retarded its just.... really how can you NOT start insulting people here and calling them names? Its like they are 4 year olds. And coyote is right its all a red herring basicly and a waste of time. Why the relentless personal attacks? Because the claims of the hoaxers are so childish and retarded and have been asked and debunked a 10000 times that noone really wanna put any effort in it to prove you wrong since you obviously are. |
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« Reply #1981 on: August 18, 2009, 07:56:09 AM » |
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Omg he is mentioning parrots and layers that protect the truth... clearly proof that they never went to the moon. |
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« Reply #1982 on: August 18, 2009, 12:30:39 PM » |
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Ok Ike.. I have read the posts... All of them.
Crater/disturbance: Why would you not expect to see one? Why does every space/moon simulator also show dust/debris on touchdown?
Heres the problem with the dust. You can see it in then video of the LEM decent but its not photographed on the landing pads after landing on the Moon...
IMO the moon footage appears to be fraudulent. The more official stuff I look at the less I believe.
When I first considered 911 was an inside job, I did not believe it until I heard the debate from the mainstream media about how it couldn't be true, and how stupid and crazy the 911 truthers were... I get the same feeling analysing this Moon/NASA debate.
Ike I know its hard for you to understand but governments sometimes lie. Sometimes they lie for money when they need to justify how it was spent. Sometimes they just lie to lie...
Also #4 was more of a joke but I guess you have no sense of humor either.
Moon images look fake. Gatekeepers like Ike and vostok and jtcoyote will continue... Thats what gatekeepers do. But in the end, Nasa won't go back to the moon because that will prove they lied about the first missions.
Whos ike? Anyways.... why was there no dust on the feet of the lander... well think about it... there is no athmosphere, no air dust can whirl up and around and settle. The dust just got blown horizontal away and the feet landed on it. Its just plain simple physics but since most people are too stupid they wont understand. And gimme a break telling me its hard for me to understand that governments lie, course I know but I base my conclusions on facts, knowledge and understanding how the world works and not just because government lies everything is false. You cant compare 9/11 with the moon landing. Course we are all gatekeepers cause the pictures all look fake so the moon landing never happened. I seriously doubt you have the intelligence to judge if a picture looks fake or not. You cant even grasp how physics works in a vacuum. NASA wont go back to the moon because they arent allowed to go back there. I mean I said it before... building up a industry, creating jobs, making people dream and want education and become scientists and engineers to contribute in a space program... you cant have that in a slavegrid! Also war is much more profitable. There are 1000s of reasons why noone went back to the moon, at least not officially. |
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« Reply #1983 on: August 18, 2009, 02:22:01 PM » |
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Anyways.... why was there no dust on the feet of the lander... well think about it... there is no athmosphere, no air dust can whirl up and around and settle. The dust just got blown horizontal away and the feet landed on it. Its just plain simple physics but since most people are too stupid they wont understand.
30 sec video ... Apollo 17 lift-off from the moon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obd_jTO66-0 ... and Apollo 15: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMBcLg0DkLA&NR=1 |
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« Reply #1984 on: August 18, 2009, 04:02:18 PM » |
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JT, I wasn't showing them because they were anomalous or anything ... just the opposite ... they are not straight photos, they were photoshopped (or something else before photoshop) by NASA employees or wannabes, and look like all the rest! Just trying to make the point that it is near-impossible to tell what is real. I made some other posts with the Real or Faked? headline ... meant it to fit in with those. I have another post coming up showing how I was bamboozled by a fake earlier.
This is exactly the problem these days with photography... anything that can be faked, can be faked so well, that it would be difficult if not impossible to tell if something is real or not... this means that something can be faked to look FAKE as well! This is why we should look at photographs that have a photographic record, in original pristine form, that date back before this type of faking was a capability of the average Joe with a personal computer. Early doctoring, prior to the computer age stuff should be the evidence we check, since these are verifiable... there is so much stuff out there that is being faked to look fake, that it has me pulling my hair out in exasperation! JTCoyoté "People are scared of things they shouldn't be scared of.
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« Reply #1985 on: August 18, 2009, 04:16:55 PM » |
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2nd one is answered in this thread and on sites linked in this thread. Why do you expect a crater under the LEM? Just because some artist drew it in some NASA promo pic? Its stupid question that can be answered in 5 minutes of research. Go look it up.
3rd is the same.
4th well why are there faces in trees? Or clouds? That question is so retarded its just.... really how can you NOT start insulting people here and calling them names? Its like they are 4 year olds.
And coyote is right its all a red herring basicly and a waste of time. Why the relentless personal attacks? Because the claims of the hoaxers are so childish and retarded and have been asked and debunked a 10000 times that noone really wanna put any effort in it to prove you wrong since you obviously are.
Your last point here beginning with the second sentence, is not correct, there haven't been relentless personal attacks... there have been many attacks upon positions, and opinions, only a few on individuals... any time it becomes personal, name-calling, and the like... that's when I come in. Your friend iceman... just got his butt sent to the locker room, for his continued personal, albiet veiled attacks on several here including myself... we don't debate personalities. I can quote chapter and verse from the rules here, and as the rules state, the moderator's decisions are final... there are four global moderators... reaching a consensus is quite easy... Do it once, you get a warning, do it twice you get a more stern warning, do it the third time and you're gone... and accusing a moderator of power abuse on the board is instant bye-bye... bon voyage iceman. JTCoyoté “They [the NWO] will stage another terrorist attack,
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Vos was banned (finally) . All the moderators do not agree on the moon landing. We here debate and use evidence and sources. "know it all comments" is not belittling anyone. But telling mods (especially a global one) that they are biased is belittling and attacking. If you noticed, Jackson Holly is not banned or "belittled" because he produces evidence and engages in debate, as does burlyguy and they have shown that they, as do I, believe it was a hoax for the most part. I do happen to find it suspect, if we landed on the moon why can't we do so again today? NSA as posted previously states that they don't have the technology to do so again.  But I am not attacking anyone or accusing any mods. I would recommend you reconsider before doing so again. |
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« Reply #1987 on: August 18, 2009, 11:16:48 PM » |
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This post is mostly about one NASA picture ...... but entails an inspection of a series of photos and a discussion of an earlier unmanned mission. But, it is also about the supposed, taken-for-granted, incredible accuracy, the precision of NASA’s seat-of-the-pants ‘60s technologies ... the audacity, the chutzpah, really ... of the Apollo 12 mission, the second mission said to have landed on the Moon, with Pete Conrad and Alan Bean.
From my perspective the most startling thing about this mission was the fact that the lander was set down almost right on top of the Surveyor III ‘robot’ from the 1967 mission ... it simply could NOT have been more perfect ... more accurate, more in-the-pocket! I mean after traveling a quarter of a million miles in a souped-up soup can, sporting a computer with about as much memory as it takes to store ONE of the b/w images in this post, that baby floated down to just the optimum, picture-perfect spot, just like in a Hollywood movie!The LM computer:http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=47982.msg769223#msg769223~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First, let's look at ~ Surveyor III http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_12/experiments/surveyor/The Surveyor 3 spacecraft was launched in April 1967 and was exposed on the lunar surface for 31 months before the Apollo 12 mission. The Apollo 12 Lunar Module landed approximately 160 meters from the Surveyor 3 spacecraft. The crew retrieved several pieces of the Surveyor, including the TV camera and associated electrical cables, the sample scoop, and two pieces of aluminum tubing. These items were returned to Earth and analyzed to determine how they were affected by exposure to the lunar environment. A number of microscopic craters were observed on the returned pieces. Some were probably the result of micro-meteorite bombardment of the Moon. Many of these craters were on the side of the Surveyor facing the Lunar Module. It is likely that these are the result of a sand-blasting effect from dust that was blown away from the Apollo landing site by rocket exhaust. Some darkening of painted surfaces due to the effects of solar radiation was also observed. Several nuts, bolts, and screws were disassembled after being returned to Earth, and none were found to have become cold-welded by their exposure to space.
O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OIt was a huge part of the entire mission program to visit the Surveyor III, photograph it and bring a few pieces of it back to NASA. The astronauts ‘to do list’ was very specific as to what and how to photograph and examine it. There wasn’t any great science going on, really ... temp tests, some grainy TV transmissions, etc ... and it seems obvious to me that the Surveyor ‘rendezvous’ was a publicity stunt.
I believe (whether or not there was an actual landing) that this shot was set-up for propaganda ... I believe the scene could very well have been played out in real time for ‘authenticity’ ... that the LM could have been placed in the shot for a major publicity image. I believe the idea was to have the astronauts produce a ‘timer gadget’ from their gear to rig the Hasselblad so as to get a photograph of both astronauts posed with the Surveyor ... but that during the filming/recording session the timer was lost or would not work. (I can’t confirm even that there was such a timer available for the Hasselblad 500 EL in 1969).~~~ O ~~~ Pete and AL practice on another Surveyor ‘back on Earth’. ~~~ O ~~~
LUNAR SURFACE JOURNAL Apollo 12:http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/a12.htmlI highly encourage you to read through the Surface Journal ... it is very interesting on many levels, regardless of how you consider its authenticity. We can ‘listen in’ to their first look at the Surveyor nearby ... and also, some revealing comments about the landing site, dust, etc.
Let’s pick up the conversation as Pete Conrad is backing out of the LM hatch, to look around freely for the first time at their landing site. Bean is still inside the LM, assisting, and there are comments from Houston as well:~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/a12.htmlEXCERPTS:115:18:18 Bean: How's the lock doing? Was it easy to get...Can you get the lock out? 115:18:21 Conrad: Yeah. (Pause) Now that's better. I couldn't even get the handle out of the deal. I just pulled the cable; the MESA's down. 115:18:28 Bean: Okay. 115:18:29 Conrad: There you go. (Pause) 115:18:34 Bean: You haven't got anything to do, so you can take this (possibly the jettison bag) with you. 115:18:37 Conrad: Hey, I'll tell you what we're parked next to. 115:18:39 Bean: What? 115:18:40 Conrad: We're about 25 feet in front of the Surveyor Crater. (Guffaws) 115:18:43 Bean: That's good. That's where we wanted to be. 115:18:45 Conrad: I bet you when I get down to the bottom of the ladder, I can see the Surveyor. ~~~~~~~115:20:55 Conrad: Hey, Al. 115:20:56 Bean: Yeah? 115:20:57 Conrad: Can you look out your window? 115:20:59 Bean: Sure. (Pause) 115:21:02 Conrad: All right; I think I see what's wrong. 115:21:07 Bean: What's the problem? 115:21:08 Conrad: Oh; that LEC came out of the bag in three pieces and, as you would might well imagine, I picked the wrong piece. 115:21:15 Bean: Do you want me to pull it back in and throw you the end? 115:21:17 Conrad: No. That's not the problem. 115:21:19 Bean: It's no trouble. 115:21:20 Conrad: I got it right now. Man, they aren't kidding when they say things get dusty. 115:21:24 Conrad: Whew! I'm headed down the ladder. 115:21:26 Bean: Okay; wait. Let me get the old (70 mm Hasselblad) camera on you, babe. 115:21:29 Conrad: Okay. (Long Pause) 115:21:52 Conrad: Man, is that a pretty looking sight, that LM. 115:21:58 Gibson: You're coming into the picture now, Pete. (TV still) 115:22:03 Conrad: Okay. 115:22:06 Bean: Okay; got the old (16 mm sequence) camera running. 115:22:09 Conrad: Okay. (Pause) Down to the pad. (TV still) 115:22:15 Bean: Okay. 115:22:22 Conrad: I'm going to step off the pad. (TV still) 115:22:24 Conrad: Mark. Off the...Oooh, is that soft and queasy. (Pause, holding on to the ladder as he tests the footing) Hey, that's neat. (Pause) I don't sink in too far. (Pause) I'll try a little...(Letting go of the ladder and stepping out of the LM shadow) Boy, that Sun is bright. That's just like somebody shining a spotlight in your hand. (Pause) Well, I can walk pretty well, Al, but I've got to take it easy and watch what I'm doing. 115:23:27 Conrad: (Gleeful) Boy, you'll never believe it. Guess what I see sitting on the side of the crater! 115:23:30 Bean: The old Surveyor, right? 115:23:31 Conrad: The old Surveyor. Yes, sir. (Laughing) Does that look neat! It can't be any further than 600 feet from here. How about that?  HiRez —> http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-48-7091HR.jpg115:23:43 Gibson: Well planned, Pete. 115:23:44 Conrad: Okay. Let me see. I've got a little chore (the contingency sample) to do here, right? (To Gibson) Say again. 115:23:50 Gibson: I say that was well planned, Pete. 115:23:55 Conrad: Yeah. Just a couple of months (of planning and training) with a lot of people. Let's see. (Reading) "Deploy the LEC and the MESA." That's done. I'm looking at my mobility; c.g. (center-of-gravity) shift. (Moving off camera to the right) I have the decided impression I don't want to move too rapidly, but I can walk quite well. The Surveyor really is sitting on the side of a steep slope, I'll tell you that. Okay. Now I'll work on my contingency sample. (Pause) Got to walk real careful, Al. 115:24:36 Bean: Okay. 115:24:37 Conrad: (To Al) Can you see me all right? 115:24:38 Bean: Not yet. (Garbled) back of the window for... 115:24:41 Conrad: Okay. 115:24:42 Bean: ...just a second. 115:24:43 Conrad: (Garbled) in a hurry. (Long Pause) (To Houston) As you might suspect from some of the pictures Neil brought back, gang, I have several small rocks sitting out in front of me that have a neat amount of dirt built up around them. I'm not sure my descent engine didn't blow 'em there. But then again, it may not have. 115:25:36 Gibson: Roger, Pete. Copy that. Is the dirt built up on the side closest to the LM? 115:25:43 Conrad: Well, let me...I'm going over to get my contingency sample, and I'll get one of the rocks in the sample. And yeah, as a matter of fact, it is built up on the side that (pause) the LM landed on. Let me get a...(Pause) Well, there's one scoop. And another with some more rocks in it. (Pause) Whoo! This dirt's just like the one-sixth-g airplane, Al... 115:26:33 Bean: Flies up in the air. 115:26:34 Conrad: ...(chuckling) and you get to chase it around. It's wild. Now, I'll tell you...You know, this Sun...It really is...It's just like somebody's got a super-bright spotlight. Here's another good-looking rock - whoops - in the sample. (Pause) Here's another rock I want to get in it. (Pause) I think that's about enough, don't you? Except there's one big rock that's too pretty to pass up. No; I may not be a hog. It won't fit. I'll go over here and get this other one, though. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~On the second EVA they eventually make their way down to the Surveyor about 160 meters distance ... check it out, comment on how it is covered in dust, either from their descent engines or its own small one ... take pictures ... then this conversation along with NASA’s later edits:http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/a12.html~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~EXCERPT:133:54:09 Conrad: Al, I'll tell you what let's do. Get right over here, and we'll park all of our gear, take ourselves a little rest, go over your photo plan, and then we'll have at it. [Pete's statement about going over the "photo plan" may be a reference to the secret timer, although it may also refer to their official photography of the Surveyor. They won't get serious about looking for the timer until about 134:00:50, once they've had a good look at the Surveyor and have described its condition to Houston.] [Conrad - "He asked us to take a rest, and we gave him a lot of smoke."] [Bean - "We told him, 'Yeah, we're resting'."] [Jones - "What were you doing?"] [Conrad - "We were trying to find the timer."] [Jones - "Tell me about the timer."] [Conrad - "The timer goes on the Hasselblad; and nobody knew we had it."] [Bean - "It was a little auto-timer."] [Conrad - "We were going to put the camera on the stake (the extension handle which could be mounted on the HTC to give a steady camera mount) and both of us were going to walk over to the Surveyor and have our picture taken."] [Bean - "The timer went off in 30 seconds or something."] [Conrad - "And we knew that PAO (Public Affairs Office) would put that photograph out before they'd put anything else out. Then somebody was going to ask the question 'Who took the picture?'"] [Bean - "But we couldn't find the timer."] [Jones - "Because of all the dust in there."] [Conrad - "I found it later, packing the rock box."] [Bean - "It was right on the top."] [Conrad - "Yeah, 'cause I dumped the bag."] [Bean - "You dumped the bag in the rock box, and there it sat."] [Conrad - "We had a whole rock bag full of rocks, by this time. Plus broken camera, plus whatever. So it was buried."] [Readers should note that, in both checklists, the initial Surveyor activity is "Perform D.P." which means "dual photo".] 133:54:20 Bean: Okay. Let's go right over here. 133:54:22 Conrad: I will tell you what, why don't you get a photograph of it right now? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~So, they ended up taking separate pix of each other:~~~ O ~~~ Hi Rez—> http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-48-7135HR.jpg Hi Rez—> http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-48-7134HR.jpg~~~ O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Well, many years later, someone combined those two pictures ... photoshopped a fake vintage LIFE magazine cover. Mr. Gullible, I mean Jackson Holly, happened upon that fake cover buried somewhere on a NASA publicity page and was incredulous ... as well I should have been!  QUOTE —> 30 December 2003 ~ Andy Chaikin writes, "For today's work avoidance project, I decided to mock up the Life magazine cover that would have resulted from Pete and Al's Hasselblad timer photo at the Surveyor. (I ended up with the same configuration for Pete and Al that Adam Bootle did.) I stole the Life logo and headline from an image of the actual Apollo 12 cover - and even the date and price in the lower right corner, for that extra hint of believability." http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj.funpix.html~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have to say, none of this has the ring of truth about to me.
Does it to you?
Oh yeah ... here’s my original post about this photo:http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=47982.msg688959#msg688959~ ~ ~ ~ OOO ~ ~ ~ ~ |
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« Reply #1988 on: August 19, 2009, 07:07:38 AM » |
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Just wondering. We have already established that the astronauts were only subjected to short term exposure to radiation. Because the trip was short, the radiation wasn't a factor.
But, we also know that the moon only spends about six days per month within the protection of Earth's Magnetic field. We have also seen that the edges of the "safe zone" have a more dense layer of radioactivity.
Here's a question...Do rocks and soil absorb radioactivity? Would the materials on the surveyor, which sat on the moon for two years before Apollo 12, be contaminated with radioactivity? How safe is it to just go grab random rocks and samples without a Geiger counter and bring them on board the lander and bring them back to Earth?
I know that no one on earth would choose to drive around with soil from Chernobyl in the trunk of their car.
Did they ever actually discuss the Geiger counter on the Apollo missions?
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« Reply #1989 on: August 19, 2009, 07:14:48 AM » |
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Just wondering. We have already established that the astronauts were only subjected to short term exposure to radiation. Because the trip was short, the radiation wasn't a factor.
But, we also know that the moon only spends about six days per month within the protection of Earth's Magnetic field. We have also seen that the edges of the "safe zone" have a more dense layer of radioactivity.
Here's a question...Do rocks and soil absorb radioactivity? Would the materials on the surveyor, which sat on the moon for two years before Apollo 12, be contaminated with radioactivity? How safe is it to just go grab random rocks and samples without a Geiger counter and bring them on board the lander and bring them back to Earth?
I know that no one on earth would choose to drive around with soil from Chernobyl in the trunk of their car.
Did they ever actually discuss the Geiger counter on the Apollo missions?
youd think theyd be to hot to touch. Radiation spewed out by the Sun since the formation of the Moon's crust, was trapped in the lunar soil as a permanent record of solar activity throughout this time.
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« Reply #1990 on: August 19, 2009, 04:33:29 PM » |
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  "The magnificence, really, was referring to the progress of the human species from coming down from the trees to automobiles, airplanes, rockets, spaceships and then journeying, two people from Earth, walking around on that object which humans had gazed up at for as long as civilization."Buzz Aldrin, 8/17/2009 |
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Buzz admits to Alex that he didn't take a Masonic flag to THE Moon. That's because he planted his Masonic flag on Earth. Doh! Note that all planets and satellites are spelled uppercase, but NASA always spells The Moon in lowercase when discussing Apollo. Lowercase is for TV studios on Earth. Masons call this "hoodwinked". http://dancull.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/abu-ghraib21.jpgHoodwinked by Uncle Scam at Abu Ghraib For those who "believe" Buzz Aldrin walked on The Moon in 1969, how can you trust Uncle Scam after CAFR scam, "Federal" Reserve Bank scam, 16th Amendment scam, USS Liberty scam, $25-trillion Bankster Bailout scam, vaccine scams, Gulf of Tonkin scam, Operation Northwoods scam, 9/11 scam, etc etc etc? Why did Apollo not take a telescope or adjust the aperature of their cameras to photograph stars?  Col Buzz Aldrin of Apollo 11 with Josh Poet of UFOetry, singer of the Hollywood award winning music video WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON directed by Pirate NewsBanned at Gitmo in Support The Troops Tours "I can't believe it!" -Wife of Colonel Buzz Aldrin, commander, Apollo 11, July 20, 1969 as her husband walked on the moon "As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened. I can honestly say, and it's a great surprise to me, that I have never had a dream about being on the moon. It's a great disappointment to me." -Lt Neil Armstrong, US Navy, Apollo 11, One Giant Leap page 303 "You are in the blackest black you could ever imagine. I have reached the statute of limitations on a secret of the space program: How do you... go to the bathroom? Then you hear 'bloop, bloop, bloop, blooooop. I never did find out what that was. Where's my huggy pillow?" -Captain Ron Evans, US Navy, Apollo 17, died of "heart attack" on April 6, 1990 (aged 57) "The coolest thing for me is hanging by a window just after sunrise and watch the stars in the big black dome of the sky as the Earth moves underneath. My eyes are really glued to the outside. It is just absolutely amazing, magical, wonderful thing to do that." -Dr Kawpana Chawla slowly cooked alive in curry sauce on Columbia Space Shuttle, live space TV interview"How are we going to get to the Moon when we can't even talk between two buildings? I can't hear a word you're saying!" -Gus Grissom, Apollo 1, murdered on the launch pad during a "routine" test "No manned spacecraft now exists that can withstand the radiation from the Van Allen belts, through which a craft must traverse to make it to the Moon." -SpaceDaily.com, Lunar Ice Might have Changed Apollo's Legacy, March 9, 1998 Missing Apollo Tapes Surface at McDonalds New NASA Moon racket too weak to get off launch pad, nor can it reach Earth orbit NASA mutiny over new Moon rocket that can't fly Illegal alien Hussein Obama Soetoro cancels NASA Moon base President Jr Bush cancels NASA and Moon landing 2020 "With Explorer 1, the highest rate we could observe was 2,000 counts per second. We were able to calibrate that apparatus after the fact. We did a laboratory calibration on a spare instrument using that calibration curve of 100,000 counts per second. The intense radiation saturated the counter." - Dr James Van Allen on youtube"During orbit after orbit the counter of Explorer III was silent for 15 minutes. When the satellites swung down again to lower levels, they resumed reporting reasonable numbers of cosmic rays. Van Allen was sure that no ray-free belt could exist between the earth and space. The only reasonable explanation, he decided, was that the silenced Geiger tubes had been knocked out temporarily by radiation too intense for them to handle. The belt may extend outward for two earth radii (8,000) miles before it disappears. A small amount of lead shielding would reduce the dose to a supportable level." - Time Magazine, May 12, 1958"Cosmic particles are dangerous, come from all sides, and require at least 2 meters of solid shielding all around living organisms. Earth's atmosphere provides about 30 meters of shielding." -Professor John Moulding PhD, NASA employee on deep space robots, Prospects for Intersteller Travel, youtube"The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays." -NASA, Mission News: Solar System, Sun, Moon, and Earth, 08.23.07 "Surprisingly, the Moon is a moderately bright gamma-ray source. As Thompson says, 'The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays.' Being a cold, mostly inert object, the Moon is utterly incapable of producing gamma rays on its own. But cosmic-ray particles slamming into the lunar surface produce secondary gamma rays." -Robert Naeye, NASA GLAST, FERMI GAMMA RAY SPACE TELESCOPE, 23 August 2007  Killer Gamma Ray map of the Moon NASA paid $7,500 for Apollo's TV star on Hollywood urinalKubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey shows spacecraft on the Moon without any rocket exhaust and no sound inside the spaceraft, just like Apollo. Kubrick's 2001 sequel 2010 shows a moon of Jupiter exploding into a new star named Lucifer. Did Kubrick direct Apollo? Look Ma no rocket exhaust! "So I can hear what you're saying: 'But you guys replicated the moon shot on a set, and you're special effects artists. You're exactly the kind of guys that NASA would've hired to do this kind of thing in the first place!'" -Adam Savage, Mythbusters Moon Scam on Youtube 3:35. No rocket flame on LEM "blastoff" at 0:01. No stars.  "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This is the great dragon of chapter 12, Satan or Azazel. He has a number of names, but in each case, he is the king of all the demons, Lucifer, who became Satan."
-Revelation 9:11, Christian Bible, KJV with Forerunner Commentary So Apollo was named for SATAN. Which also explains why USA was attacked on 9.11... "The entire UFO phenomenon and the uFOOLogy movement has been created to further the protection and activation of the plan. Within MAJESTYTWELVE is Operation Majority justifying the plan by presenting an extraterrestrial threat as the reason for the necessity for world government. The plan is real. The extraterrestrial threat is artificial. The threat is presented through the use of secret technology originally developed by the Germans in their secret weapons programs during WW-II, by geniuses like Nikola Tesla, and many others. All so-called leaks are intentional misinformation projects designed to promote the alien threat scenario while allowing for complete deniability on the part of government. To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon. Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes. No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology. For many years I sincerely believed that an extraterrestrial threat existed and that it was the most important driving force behind world events. I was wrong and for that I most deeply and humbly apologize." —Bill Cooper, US Navy Intelligence and US Air Force retired, host of HourOfTheTime.com Radio Show, author of Behold A Pale Horse, MAJESTYTWELVE1-legged Bill Cooper was gunned down by police state death squads on 5 November 2001. The hitman deputy killed himself in a mysterious motorcycle crash, and the sheriff was indicted for felonies. Alex Jones needs to read Cooper's MAJESTYTWELVE and stop spreading the lie that Bill Cooper believed in UFOs at the time of his murder. Just because Cooper hurt Jone's feeling by cussin is no reason to slander him after his death. Get over it. Cooper has a lot of credibility, and Jone's hurts his credibility by telling falsehoods about Cooper. No matter what, Cooper was a great speaker and great writer. My only question is, did Cooper really see a (US military) UFO while in the Navy, or was he hyping the disinfo he'd been fed by Navy Intel? Cooper wasn't murdered until he began saying Apollo was faked... A dozen Apollo astronots were killed during Apollo, on Earth, as well as Apollo groundcrew whistleblowers and their entire families killed during Apollo (for the Baron Report after the Apollo 1 massacre)... As for my personal experience with Apollo, I eyewitnessed Apollo 17 blastoff, but I never saw any astronots get on board, nor did I see it go any further than 20 miles on Earth. I visited Cape Kennedy and Smithsonian Air & Space Museum but never met a live astronot to tell me what it was like on the Moon. All Apollo LEMs and Command capsules in museums have locked doors so no visotrs can climb inside to see how tiny they are. I'm an engineering student and aircraft mechanic who worked on supersonic nuke bombers and built million-dollar plastic jet-engined aircraft. My job in USAF was nuking active US military bases in controlled demolitions using nuclear bombs triggered by C4. My wife also retiured from USAF after being offered a job at the Pentagon working directly for SecDef Dick Cheney. Now I produce a TV and radio show with over 3-million video downloads. It's VERY easy to fake video and audio, and fun too! |
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« Reply #1992 on: August 19, 2009, 09:11:17 PM » |
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The more one looks into it, the stranger it becomes.
Did we go to the Moon? I want to know!!!!
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« Reply #1993 on: August 19, 2009, 09:49:26 PM » |
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The more one looks into it, the stranger it becomes.
Did we go to the Moon? I want to know!!!!
Up to you to decide, there is no consensus. |
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« Reply #1994 on: August 19, 2009, 10:04:15 PM » |
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I am not convinced of either argument at this point.
HOWEVER, there was most assuredly some fishy things that went on.
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« Reply #1995 on: August 19, 2009, 11:17:04 PM » |
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DESTINATION MOONBASE TANGOby John Lee, artificial intelligence agent Space Pirate News Productions The Lottery offers the first large-scale civilian trips to the Moon. Almost a mass-exodus. Public-private parnership by the government and Hallidyne Corp (a wholly owned subsidiary of Cyberdyne LLC). The travel price is expensive, but not so much that midclass can't afford by cashin 701Ks and mortleases. Secured loans ONLY. Military listment assures free Lunar citizenship, after retirement. Space travellers pass BG checks by Homeland Security of United States of North America. Most are members of Liberal Democrat Socialist Republic Party. Must be their superiority in free thought, members joke. Space sex... gonna be great! 1,000s of spaceships prepare for launch on the 50th, uh, 100th anniversary of the Apollo 11 Moon landing. Entire families prepare for relocate. Ship names for scifi heros -- Serentiy 11, Jupiter 22, Valley Forge 33, Enterpise 44. Time on Moon before return is 3 years. Contract for govt employ is mandatory. Reads like miltrac. Nobody reads United States of Earth Code. News reports Lunar travs are auto citizens of the State of Luna. Shiny. Living quarters and workstations underground, so not visible from Earth-based scopes. UNESCO Biosphere Reserve bans surface development of Earth Side. Live I-net video of public areas, though email and phone traf must get OK by Skynet, with strict time limit. Redactions and deletions are common. Like prison, some say. Price of freedom. In-flight phones a No-Go. Cellphones won't work in outer space, ya know. The president-general declares Moon Exodus Day is Summer Solstice, from his vacation retreat at Camp Bohemian Grove. Families I-viewed at launch sites across the world. All excited by pending venture. Giddy. High on life. None discuss sciengeering -- that's not a requirement on the migrant test. Boring. Launches begin. Several countdowns abort, to be expected. Few disasters visible to spectators on the ground. T-News reports this normal, like RC car crashes. Nuttin to worry bout. They were brave explorers, died saving the planet, infobabes said with a smile. On board, the launches are much more violent than appeared on TV, worried passengers. No astronot crew. All automated. UAV tech is common you know. Airline and milspec pilots replaced long ago by compchips, to profit Cyberdyne shareholders. Those who survived the launch heard robo announcment by Captain Tightpants, "We're now at Mach 34, 20 times faster than a jetliner. We may experience a little turbulence, then explode." That's a joke. Put passengers to ease. Damn boffins. Low Earth Orbit offers spectacular views. Passengers amazed at how bright the stars are in space! Extremely bright. For some reason, they didn't spect that. Gonna be a beauty 3-day trip. Plastic telescopes for all passengers. How thoughtful! Soon the burn begins for Lunar Orbit Insertion. Rockets fire as maincomp allocates Lunar LZs for each flight. Isn't that a silly name for a computer -- The Beast? Disembodied femvoice announces our speed -- 24,840 mph. Wow! Routine audio warning, fembot says there's nothing to worry, Van Allen Rad Belts protect Earth from dangerous cosmic and solar radiation. Fasten seat belts. Passage only takes 5 minutes. Pay no attention to those white flashes in your eyes. That's routine space radiation. Go ahead and take a Soma pill, which also kill space sickness. Barfbags for everyone. Most passengers sleep. A deep, deep sleep. Odd they don't care to see the sights. Their loss. Die-hard travs remain awake by windows, spectacular starscapes on the dark side of the craft. Gold-plated shades. Pure suntan is killer! Inflight movies include scifi classics -- 2001, Firefly Returns, Capricorn 3 and Airplanes 911! Men, space sickness is tough to ignore. Few ventures gut it out to watch the flyby. Red puke, screw that. Maybe just half a Soma? Can't wait to see our landing site on the Dark Side. Underground tram to our final destination will be a bore. Oh well, its worth it. Sleepy now. Just a little Power Nap... None heard the announcement for Lunar orbit insertion. Orbital speed 3,690 mph. A few orbits at extreme low alt, retro rockets fire one last time. A brief, low-power burn. Speed steady at 3,650. Speed now 3,750, says disembodied fembot. A groggy lone passenger wonders why that does not compute? Warning Will Robinson. Danger! I must be dreaming the inflight movie. Soma kicks ass. Yawn. Terrestrial scopes cannot see impact of 1,000s of spaceships on Lunar surface, of course. That's why They call it the "Dark" Side of the Moon, even when cooked in daylight. T-News never reported gamma radiation higher on the surface of the Moon than on the surface of the Sun, due to cosmic radiation, day or night. Solar wind at 6-million mph 24/7. Trivial suits. That's why Moonbase is underground, of course. Out of sight, out of mind. Built by bots. With artificial intelligence. Immune to radiation, mostly. All Top Secret. Hush hush. Same Cyberdyne MPA units that now run Hollywood. CGI is unbelievable!, rave movheads. Interactive ani fliks rendered real time, no actors allowed by Programmers Union. Fileshare terminated, since trans to milhubs run by AI. Viri love MicroChina Windows XP37. Cyberdyne modbots with license to kill. I-net by DARPADYNE. No spam or non-corp urls. Email max 150 chars per day, no links, no off-topic comms. Lost productivity? Ancient history. That's progress. Family members of the dearly departed receive their first progress reports by mailbot. All is well. Minor technical glitch by sat dish. Lunar orbit scopes hit simul delete of data. Another solar storm? No warning on those, you know. Everything underground ASAP, guard from space weather. T-News interview Lunar settlers, secure in their underground bunkers. They seem awefully happy in their new homes, viewers agree. They're so lucky! Can't wait to save for my trip. Settlers complain among selves -- slept the entire flight. Dang that Soma! Shouldn't've listened to Ground dose pills on prelaunch. But they made space sickness sound so sick. On the return flight, we'll be sure to stay awake! Can't wait to rotate to over-ground signment. No see stars yet... Back to work processing a new load of Lunar ore. Men, we worked less hours on Earth! A guy could go loony without sunlight, they joked. Thank gods for free Soma. Conservation Republican National Socialist Party swept the next election on Earth. The Beast leads a presidential motorcade and press corp to Bohemian Grove's Cremation of Care, ritual mock human sacrifice campground. All the Vips are there. Lakeside Talk this year: Project Lemming. Party time at the Necrophilia Room. Weaving spiders. It's all in good fun. Liberal Democrats won a landslide in the Lunar election, of course. VoteBot stock is hot. All is well in the Verse. THE END
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« Reply #1996 on: August 20, 2009, 01:33:51 AM » |
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I am not convinced of either argument at this point.
HOWEVER, there was most assuredly some fishy things that went on.
Science, like everything else in the real world, is not done only by consensus. It is done by experiment, by examining the facts, and the records. All of the Apollo missions brought back photographs the easiest things to forge. The fact that we are arguing from a position that it did not happen, based entirely upon the photographic record is perplexing insanity, when there is so much more, we could be examining... things that are being done every day utilizing experiments that were left on the moon... In any case, a false photographic record no matter which side it supports, from the standpoint of what is being presented to refute the landings, or to support the landings, is still a false record. This is why original photographs, those that have a record back to a negative tend to act much less as a red herring. Using official photographs, the analysis of the lunar surface, the laws of physics as it pertains to falling bodies at 1/6 gravity in a vacuum, to corroborate the photographic record, we see conclusively as I showed in a previous post, the reasons for no dust on the landing gear, as well as the fluid flow and charring of the surface top layer by the descent engine, as well as the reasons for a lack of blast crater, and other things that have been presented here with regard to that particular aspect. Some of the fishiness here is a result of photographs that were created from originals that were of low quality or partially destroyed, that were reconstructed by NASA... However, a majority of the smell is a concerted attempt to muddy this accomplishment by utilizing thousands of photographs that have been faked to look fake. This decade-long effort, incorporated the drive of millions of people around the world to create... yes millions. Most of the support, most of the equipment, the computation time, the creation and manning of tracking stations around the world, it was a huge effort. The people involved, one out of every 150 people in America at that time were directly involved. yet others were into it to the degree that they taught themselves to understand every aspect of the process available to them. Many, young people of the time, went on to become scientists and engineers as a result of Apollo... the very scientists and engineers who can show you using the laws of physics, prove by scientific method, exactly how three buildings were demolished on September 11, 2001... not by aircraft kerosene fires, but by explosives, and human intent. Those same immutable physical laws, as well as much more complex laws... and much more complex understanding, of the kind that given the present resource we may not have at our avail any longer because of the poisoning, the culling, the vaccines, the eugenics... in some ways we live in a very sad time... Do not measure the people of the past, those 60 and older, by the people of today... those older, spent well over half of their lives without fluoride in the water, without chemtrails, and the myriad other destroyers that have been foisted upon the hapless young since the eugenicist regained control in earnest of our federal government in 1973... Alex made mention of the old photographs that he's looked at since he was a boy. Photographs of his ancestors. He was amazed at the fire of creativity he could see in their eyes... and then said on the air, it's sad but you don't see that in photographs of people today... Alex is growing rapidly, he's reached a point of understanding that most don't reach as young as he... we should all be as wise. I hope and pray that there will be enough of the old human spark left among the good, too rekindle the fire of learning, for exploration, and continuation of the good pursuit in humankind, and not just the destructive evil that we find ourselves surrounded by on all sides. Bottom line... it's gonna take hell of a lot more than a bunch of doctored photographs to cast this bit of history into the dustbin. --Oldyoti "If ever time should come, when vain and
aspiring men shall possess the highest seats
in Government, our country will stand in need
of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
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« Reply #1997 on: August 20, 2009, 07:44:19 AM » |
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Some of the fishiness here is a result of photographs that were created from originals that were of low quality or partially destroyed, that were reconstructed by NASA... However, a majority of the smell is a concerted attempt to muddy this accomplishment by utilizing thousands of photographs that have been faked to look fake.
Reconstructed by NASA? For what purpose? To make them more impressive to the public? To give them what they expect of moon pictures? I guess it's alright for NASA to tamper with or fake their own evidence. http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5863.jpgnasa.gov...liars? How is it possible to see that hatch above his pack without secondary lighting? You seem to be alright with the idea that this photo may have been taken on Earth. If they lie about authenticity, then how can I believe them on anything else? The waters have been muddied by NASA themselves. Why should we believe they went at all when they could have just taken all 30,000+ pictures on a sound stage or lot. Seems foolish to believe the word of a proven liar. |
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« Reply #1998 on: August 20, 2009, 07:55:05 AM » |
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Well most, I dare say all of that supposed evidence of staged photos turns out to be a total scam. Its really like 9/11 noplaners or the TV fakery people who see something that isnt there or that is absolutely normal. Why do people confuse indirect light as a fill light? Its 4pm here... I sit in my room... there is only one light source outside (the sun) and although I dont have any fill ighting I can see everything perfectly fine. I mean cmon...
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« Reply #1999 on: August 20, 2009, 08:59:36 AM » |
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Reconstructed by NASA? For what purpose? To make them more impressive to the public? To give them what they expect of moon pictures? I guess it's alright for NASA to tamper with or fake their own evidence. http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5863.jpgnasa.gov...liars? How is it possible to see that hatch above his pack without secondary lighting? You seem to be alright with the idea that this photo may have been taken on Earth. If they lie about authenticity, then how can I believe them on anything else? The waters have been muddied by NASA themselves. Why should we believe they went at all when they could have just taken all 30,000+ pictures on a sound stage or lot. Seems foolish to believe the word of a proven liar. I have family pictures that were partially destroyed in our basement at the farm as a result of the 1965 flood and reconstruct them using photographic techniques available at that time and some have been retouched once again using more modern techniques... does this make me a liar. Back in the late 70s early 80s, there was mention by NASA on using reconstruction techniques to repair some destroyed NASA footage, and photographs. Forgive me if I cannot remember the publication or the date of that publication, it never crossed my mind that they were doing anything other than what they said they were doing. What the "no planers" are doing here, is beyond the pale however... most of the faked photographs are theirs, and they are faked to look fake! Like I said before, once they've convinced a majority of people who tend toward democratic thinking that their "faked to look fake" photos are real... then with no other evidence, including the other empirical, utilized daily by scientists around the world, evidence out of the reach of the untutored majority, they will believe the lie that we didn't go to the moon, by democratic consensus alone... --Oldyoti [On the nature of democracy]
..."Hence it is that such democracies have ever been
spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever
been found incompatible with personal security or the
rights of property; and have in general been as short
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