NASA!!!...Psy-op, Photoshop, Terra-forming... What's Up, NASA?

[Deadpool]

propaganda or not these things showed in the videos are some very valid points.

Someone might have a valid point by telling me that I should eat certain foods based on taste but if I know it's going to damage my health, they can take that valid point and go elsewhere with it.

When I'm given the choice as to whether or not I'm going to believe Hollywierd Special Effects artists or scientists on an issue, I think the choice for me is pretty clear.

[Chigs]

[Chigs]

Yeah......

I some how feel all that buggering about wasn't really worth it in the end ....

But hey ive finally managed to bring you ultimate proof we've been to the moon! 

[Chigs]

Oh and cheers for the info about getting a pick up folks 

[kushfiend]

My vote is yes, but I was just wondering where the rest of my infowarrior brothers and sisters stand on this issue.

1-There is no way the technology existed in the 1960's to pilot a craft and land it on the surface of the moon

2-In every test the LEM, [what the astronauts used to land onto the moon supposedly], was extremely unstable, and could never be deployed correctly in every test

3-Gus Grissam, the astronaut that was supposed to go to the moon in Neil Armstrong's place, was very outspoken of the space program and NASA in general, claiming in many simulations that there was "no way we're going to the moon."  He and his team were killed in a fire in their shuttle.

4-In almost every picture of the apollo missions from the moon, one can clearly see multiple light sources, from the shadows going off in different directions to the astronauts being clearly visible in shadows.  This is an impossibility if the sun was the only light source, as it wouldve been from the moon

There are many more inconsistencies but what are your opinions? 
 

[Livefreeordie]

There was a thread on this last week...that's a FACT...not an opinion.

Try doing a "search" before starting another thread on this subject.

 

[dissident99]

I am sorry but I would please suggest that we do not try to detract from the issues @ hand.  I don't see how this
pertains to the current problems we are facing.

[username438]

Personally, I am agnostic regarding the moon landings. It's really not important right now. There is too much else to worry about.

[kushfiend]

Uh... are you serious?  Think of the implications of the U.S. faking the moon landings.  That would set precedent for lying to the american people, and for using prime time TV to do it.

As for there being another thread on this issue, sorry for the repost.  If you want to wage E-Warz over it, you're more than welcome to.

[dissident99]

I am not saying that their lies are not important .. I am just saying that a conversation about prior lies/facts of this nature does not help us determine what to do next..

I realize that in order to understand the future we need to understand the fact, I just think there things more important.
I was just giving my 2Cents. Did not mean to be a butt ..

Sorry if I offended anybody.

[chrisfromchi]

I think we did both.

Faked it to make sure there was something to show and have a story, especially in the case if they died on the way back rather than on the way there. I can't really tell you what parts are fake and real necessarily.
It was a complex editing job for several years.

We do have a space program.

We do launch satellites and the ISS and the space shuttle and Hubble into space.
We have repaired hubble which is at one of the largest orbit distances away from earth.

Several nations have orbited the moon based on the technology and equations made and released by NASA and JPL.

They have many pictures of the moon and areas of space that are heavily edited to hide something.
Here is a jpg. from the latest Indian Moon Orbit
you may have to zoom in on it but at the top of the strip there is a triangle shaped structure...or looks like it.
http://www.isro.org/Chandrayaan/images/1map_hysi.jpg

Yes we have been to the moon, but not in the way we think it is. That being said I believe Neil Armstrong knows the secret as he has alluded too and he doesn't talk about what he saw on the moon, he only talks on record about how he physically landed on it.

[Livefreeordie]

Uh... are you serious?  Think of the implications of the U.S. faking the moon landings.  That would set precedent for lying to the american people, and for using prime time TV to do it.

As for there being another thread on this issue, sorry for the repost.  If you want to wage E-Warz over it, you're more than welcome to.

"They" have been LYING to us from day one...I think we get it by now.

Question is...WHAT THE HECK ARE US CUPCAKES GONNA DO ABOUT IT...play on the computer all day and night long?

Listen to talk radio for the next 20 years?

I don't see too many people storming Washington D.C., demanding justice...do you?

Next!

[dissident99]

I give you my other cheek .. I Fold.
I am sorry if I offended you.

[kushfiend]

The question is, my friends, if NASA and the upper-echelons of the U.S. govt in fact DID cover up/fake the moon landings, then there had to be reasons why they did.

1-To placate the American People
2-To scare Russia

These are the first two logical reasons that pop into my head, but going beyond the surface, it is my personal opinion that NASA discovered some form of extra-dimensional intelligence, somewhere between the fringes of earth's atmosphere and the moon.

I, personally, do not believe that humans are capable of unfolding the agenda of the NWO by themselves.  It is simply to grandiose in nature, and has been unfolding across several generations now.  No, I believe that there has to be some form of extra-dimensional intelligence at the very top of the NWO that is directing all of these evil men and women in their agenda.

Do I think that every person talks to spirits/aliens?  Obviously not, but I do think that places like Area 51 and huge chunks of the moon missions are top secret for a reason.

But kush, that's just to test mililtary weapon systems and such!

Uh huh, yeah right.  I don't think NASA and the U.S. shadow govt. woulda taken the huge gamble they did, faking the moon landings, just to scare Russia.  It just doesn't make sense, there are easier ways to get the results the moon landings gave.

It must be for something far more sinister in nature.  That's what I'm trying to get at...

[Lucian Solaris]

It's no longer a mystery to me why the forum has been slow on posts lately; with discouraging assholes like this dude no wonder the topic creation rate has dropped off!!

I am sorry but I would please suggest that we do not try to detract from the issues @ hand.  I don't see how this
pertains to the current problems we are facing.

[Lucian Solaris]

Yes, unfortunately.

...
Question is...WHAT THE HECK ARE US CUPCAKES GONNA DO ABOUT IT...play on the computer all day and night long?
...

[dissident99]

I am sorry, I see where you are going now. Then you may want to check this video ..

John Lears Tells all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-HzHi3dF0

[Lucian Solaris]

It isn't just you, there are several.  You just happened to be the prototype in my post at that moment...

I am sorry, I see where you are going now. Then you may want to check this video ..

John Lears Tells all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-HzHi3dF0

[kushfiend]

I am sorry, I see where you are going now. Then you may want to check this video ..

John Lears Tells all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-HzHi3dF0

Cool video, I'll have to watch the whole thing when I'm not at work haha. 

[lazarus]

There was a thread on this last week...that's a FACT...not an opinion.

Try doing a "search" before starting another thread on this subject.

 

Correct. This thread likely was started again because JTCoyote had a grip on its absurdity but this time he happens to be tied up on the Alex Jones radio show. Like the endless religious debates, it handicaps more relevant discussions that could help the injured republic.

[eddy64]

i think they faked some of the pictures due to them being of poor quality.

[Outer Haven]

I am absolutely sure the so-called "Moon landings" were all faked.

I'll paste here from the above site the top 10 reasons to doubt the official story:

10. The Fake Lunar Module Footage. The Lunar Ascent Module footage depicts a rotation that immediately commences at full speed, and after rotation, immediately stops. There is absolutely no indication of a drop off in speed or a gradual acceleration, as Newton's law of motion would necessitate. In addition, there are problems with the descent of at least two LEMs as well, as can be seen to the left in the Apollo 17 footage. We've gotten a lot of feedback on this, but perhaps if you'd seen the mislabeled tape sent to Sibrel from NASA's Johnson Space Center, you'd move this reason closer to number 1. The contents of that tape are available - Apollo 11 Monkey Business: False Photography Unedited. You'd better watch it while sitting down. We have accumulated and produced over 250 YouTube videos that you can watch for free. We are convinced that our YouTube videos alone, put together with Jarrah White's YouTube videos will convince any honest person that Apollo did not take men to the moon.

9. The Means and the Motive. Does life imitate art, or art imitate life -- or is it possible that sometimes art simulates and manipulates life? Some have claimed that Stanley Kubrick was involved in the production of the Apollo EVAs. And not long ago, a Canadian, tongue-in-cheek film was produced to make a mockery of this claim. We hold no clear position on the matter. In addition, since the 1950's Walt Disney was recruited to create widespread public acceptance of a very expensive trip to the moon, as well as the public approval of a group of NAZI war criminals, led by Wernher von Braun. The result was widespread disinformation, but the end motive is not all together clear. One must ask, "Was the space race itself a fabrication, set up by those behind what Eisenhower called the "Military Industrial Complex"? See Reason 9.

Stanley Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey proves that the technology existed to fake the dockings, landings, walks, and takeoffs from the moon's surface. The means existed. On that note, Google Search "Lookout Mountain Studio".

8. The Apollo One Fire. The three men who died at Pad 34 did not have to die. We all know that, but why did they die? After years of investigation into the findings of the 90th Congress, we believe that the AS-204 crew were not simply victims of neglect - they were executed. The findings are detailed in the multimedia DVD The Apollo One Accident Report, along with the complete 3,500+ page report for your own investigation. Lt. Col. Gus Grissom, a man of the highest military integrity, pulled the largest lemon he could find off the tree in his back yard, and told his wife, "I'm going to hang it on that spacecraft". This was 5 days after the famous media day pictures had been taken at Pad 34, and five days before he would die at Pad 34. Grissom also called a press conference to address grievances against NASA and North American regarding the failures of the CSM Block 1. There is no doubt that he, Robert Chaffee and Ed White [whose wife Pat was later 'suicided'] were on a path that would surely lead to heated confrontations and the public exposure of the manned moon landing hoax. They were sacrificed. There is no doubt about it. The evidence is clear.

7. The Testimony of Apollo Astronauts under Light Duress. These men were professionals, trained to perform calmly under extreme pressure, but when it comes to defending the most important days of their professional career, they fall way short of producing the facts - resorting to threats of violence, unscientific statements, and absconding behavior. For example, in the film Astronauts Gone Wild, while defending the Apollo 11 footage of the Earth from 130,000 miles out, Buzz Aldrin said things like, "They can do all kinds of things [with fake photography]" and "We're passengers. We're guys going on a flight."

6. Moon Rocks. Wernher von Braun, a NAZI with the honorary rank equivalent of a major in Hitler's SS, took a team to Antarctica, while he was supposed to be perfecting Apollo's Saturn V rocket. This man signed papers to permit the use of slave laborers to build his V2 rockets, and over 20,000 people suffered daily and eventually died under his supervision. In addition, he sent countless V2 rockets into the heart of London - with plans to do so to Washington, D.C., New York, and Philadelphia. If he and his NAZI team were capable of such inhuman activities, it is clearly not a leap in logic to say they would have no problem continuing their unethical practices in this country as well. How? By falsifying the greatest purported evidence we have today for the manned landings -- by collecting meteorites to be later modified in a ceramic lab -- into forged moon rocks. Some say, we have tiny moon-made spheres! But these could have just as easily been collected by the unmanned probes we sent to the moon's surface.

5. The Limitations of 1960's Computer Technology, small meteors, and the Van Allen Belts. Almost 40 years ago, with *combined CSM and LM guidance computer memory totaling only 10.3% [152kb] of a common 1.4MB [1474.56kb] floppy disk, NASA claims to have traveled 60,000% as far as any other manned spacecraft has gone before or since. Basically a household calculator (or discount watch) took 27 men [Apollo 8 to 17] to the moon and back, with the help of slide rules - accounting for fuel consumption, angle of approach, lunar landing, rate of descent, and so on. Yet at a distance of under 300 miles from Earth, we have lost the lives of 14 Shuttle astronauts who never left Earth orbit. In 9 trips there were no incidents involving small meteors. Yes, Space is a big place - but no injuries or damage except Apollo 13's apparent self-inflicted wound? Van Allen made it clear in his 1958-59 report that travelers to the moon would need go around the belts, approaching the moon by first departing through the space directly above the the north or south poles of the Earth. These limitations alone, make the trip to the moon a theory, and not a fact.

4. The Apollo 15 Flag Waving - Untouched. In order to explain this one, the Apollo Believers must keep you guessing by resorting to claims of a static discharge with the astronaut's distant space suit. View the video for yourself, and see why this video alone hits a lofty number 4 in our top 10.

3. The Lunar Surface Photographic and Video Record. Problems with lighting and the infamous C-Rock photo with it's "C-less" counterpart have been the subject of much debate between those who believe the photos have remained unaltered and others who believe the photos were completely staged. Still there are some photos that seem to fall into the retouched category. Countless photographic anomalies remain in question. There is no doubt that the more significant problem with the C-Rock photo is that it has obviously been altered, and the alteration we refer to has nothing to do with the rock, but the more serious problem is the cut and paste of the rover and astronaut. Also, few people notice the C on the ground, telling the set workers where to place the rock. It's there on the ground, directly below the C on the rock.

We do not focus on shadows, except for a few photos. This is because the photos focused on by some have become straw men, easily debunked. One such famous example is shown on the video above. We believe that the high-powered, fake sun reflected in the astronauts visors as a large circular object is a far stronger argument - and one that cannot be easily dismissed.

2. The Precedent of Secret U.S. Government Operations. Japanese submarines at the mouth of Pearl Harbor were sunk many hours before the 'surprise' attacks commenced. The corrupt CIA and NSA were formed on the principal of insuring U.S. economic interests around the world and at home -- at any price. John F. Kennedy, who had plans to unite the space exploration efforts of the Soviet Union with those of the United States -- and thereby end both the Space Race and Arms Race, never lived to see that day. On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel, under the direct orders of LBJ. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was also a staged event, meant to insure expanded involvement in Vietnam. Area 51 continues to be one of the most heavily protected U.S. installations known today, guarding who-knows-exactly-what.

Yes, covert operations have a prominent place in the U.S.A.'s recent sordid history. And although this reason in and of itself is not enough to prove the Manned Moon Landing to be a hoax, it certainly shows that the organizations are in place to carry out such an operation - 9 fake trips to the moon.

1. The 130,000 Mile Deception. Apollo 11. July 18th, 1969. Neil Armstrong, having heard CapCom report Columbia's distance from the Earth at 130,000 miles out - begins the unofficial television transmission [to be edited and partially played later] by echoing the same distance of 130,000 miles. In view, out the Commander's Capsule window is a small ball of blue. We are meant to believe that the blue ball is Earth. It is not. This evidence is our top reason. There can be no doubt. The Apollo 11 Westinghouse camera was not zooming through deep space to see a distant Earth and zooming back out again through deep space. When truly understood, when one understands that the Earth could not have remained in view or suddenly appeared as large as when they zoomed into it - this proves the hoax. This is the 'smoking gun' of Apollo, and the top reason to not believe the official story. Raw footage of this is available on the DVD Apollo 11 Monkey Business with detailed explanations in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, and confrontations about it with 9 of the Apollo astronauts in Astronauts Gone Wild. Behind Michael Collins, hanging on Window Number 1 [the commander's CM window] is a transparency - used when they brought down the lights and adjusted the camera exposure. The transparency was a picture of the planet Earth.

I don't know about you, but when I think of how those crooks managed to make a movie about going to the Moon, and con millions, if not billions of people around the world to believe that we really did land on the Moon, it just angers me immensely!

And whoever even begins to question the official story is immediately called a "whacko", a "conspiracy theorist" and "Al-Qaeda"!!

WHAT KIND OF WORLD DO I LIVE IN?!

[Unintelligable Name]

Good thread to put that chinese faked space walk video that NoFakeNews linked me and others.

Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk

[clearmyst]

Bill Cooper sure thought at least the original landing was faked

[MasSlavery]

I think we did although I could care less, since that's not much of an issue compared to some of the other happanings our gov has been up to.

[Livefreeordie]

I wish "Astronauts gone wild" were still uploaded on the web...it was classic!    I wonder why they took it down off the web...hmm?

Anyone who watches that video and still believes we went to the moon needs to get their head out of the moon dust.   

If anyone has a copy of that video can you please upload it to google video or youtube...I need to watch it again.     

[canandy]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f19_1175977240    hahha found it

[iks83]

Omg the C rock!!! that statement alone discredits the whole moonlanding debunking since enlargements of that picture show that its a hair that got inbetween the copy process. but of course! the c must be a mark for the stage workers to know where to place the rock.... its so laughable. Alot what outer heaven posted from that site he took that from has already been debunked here. I wish people would just read the threads before they post or go over them.

"I don't know about you, but when I think of how those crooks managed to make a movie about going to the Moon, and con millions, if not billions of people around the world to believe that we really did land on the Moon, it just angers me immensely!"

If I would be you I would be rather angered immensly by getting fooled by a hair on a photograph or lack of understanding of physics.

[Unintelligable Name]

Mythbusters is propaganda.

Their waterboarding show is pathetic in it's attempts to explain torture as dripping water on someone's head.

Can't stand that show but I don't have conrete data to explain it's propaganda nature so if you don't watch it you'll have to take my word for it.

Oh I'm totally bumping this post.

Who saw Mancow get waterboared in nicey nice fashion and he still only lasted 6 seconds? I did! I did!

[msr]

I think you did goto the moon but with different technology than was perceived by the normal folk down here.

So much technology is just hidden from us.

[Livefreeordie]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f19_1175977240    hahha found it

 

That's only a snip of the movie...but ya, it's a classic.

Look how "hostile" these Astronauts are in this video...it's down right hilarious!!!   

So, anyone still believe we went to the moon? 

[Jackson Holly]

I believe that most of the easily de-bunked arguments against the Moon landings is co-intelpro ... you know, like the no-plane stuff.

A lot of the footage and stills do look absolutely faked to me ... I have read that NASA has publicly admitted they "re shot" some footage for PR reasons ... and for a hundred other reasons I doubt the whole Apollo story.

Did you know that many Civil War photographers faked their photos ... piling up bodies and totally setting up scenes?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ei=2RMgSrO6GYX-swOWneiHBA&resnum=0&q=fake%20civil%20war%20photographs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi


And Robert Capra is known to have faked WWII shots as well.

This is not a new concept ...

They fake history! The words and the images.

[iks83]

Did you know that many Civil War photographers faked their photos ... piling up bodies and totally setting up scenes?

And when you say ww2 photos are faked of nazi atrocities you are a holocaust denier.

Anyways its no suprise that they faked video not just for PR reaons but for political ones. So in case the astronauts didnt make it to the moon they can show a fake landing and stuff and claim they died on the way back. I believe the landing happened and we went there but the larger part is kept classified and the lack of information gives ground for alot of speculation and like with the no planers lots of the moon landing debunking is total BS. I have yet to see any footage, proof or whatever that convinces me that the moon landings never happened.

The astronauts gone wild isn't proof either... I would react the same getting bugged over this for 40 years, being set up, being called liar etc etc... if a total stranger comes up to you and says here is a bible, swear that you walked on the moon who would comply to that? Like the guy said it could be a fake bible... could be the quran wrapped in a bible cover... could be some satanistic stuff wrapped in a bible cover... famous (and intelligent) people are paranoid or at least very cautious.

[Unintelligable Name]

A Funny thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, Was it Only a Paper Moon?, Apollo 11 Monkey Business: False Photography Unedited, and What Happened on the Moon?

Seen all of those?

Was It Only a Paper Moon? gets into the physical dimensions of the craft, space suits, and so on, and how teeny tiny the craft really was, and the impossibility of the astronauts being able to fit.

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/index.html
http://www.dunnsrockmasoniclodge.org/masonic_astronauts.htm

[canandy]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e1_1182793887          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7a7_1182794121                 for astronauts that just walked on the moon they sure are excited 

[Unintelligable Name]

for astronauts that just walked on the moon they sure are excited 

Yeah I remember this, hehe.

Looks like they're holding back the nervous urge to vomit. Clearly lying to me!

[Dok]

Key to US lunar mission mystery lies under thick layer of lunar dust 
 
25.05.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/107620-lunar_mission-0

There is something wrong with US mission to the Moon. The legendary space mission is still shrouded in mystery. Mankind still has a number of reasons to cast doubt on the miracle of inter-planetary flights. Many people still say that US astronauts have never landed on the Moon.

Japan’s Kaguya lunar orbiter took several pictures of the site, where Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 supposedly landed in 1971 and 1972. If the astronauts had ever landed there, they should have left a lot of equipment on the site, including the rovers, on which they traveled on the surface of the Earth’s satellite. The pictures, which the Japanese rover took, showed not even the slightest hint of the US presence on the Moon.

There was only a spot of dust seen on the photograph of the site, from which Apollo-15 blasted off on its journey back to Earth. The spot, NASA said, was a firm evidence of Apollo’s presence on the Moon.

It is an open secret that the Moon’s entire surface is all covered with a thick layer of dust. US astronauts took many pictures of their shoeprints on the Moon’s surface. Joseph Skipper, a researcher of lunar and Martian anomalies, has many questions about the evidence, which the lunar dust provides. A number of images, made by the US astronauts showed their lunar rover standing at a distance from the landing module. There can be no wheel tracks seen on the pictures – as if the rover had flown from the lander to the site where it was photographed.


Where are the wheel tracks?
One may assume that the lunar ground was too hard for the wheel tracks to appear in it. However, there are many shoeprints in the dust around the rover. They can be seen even underneath the rover, although there are no wheel tracks on the ground at all.

Many people say that the US astronauts have never landed on the moon and that the entire mission is a fake. Others say that the missions took place, although the astronauts did not land on the Moon every time they traveled there. They could probably exaggerate their success to baffle the USA ’s major rival in the space race - the USSR.

It is not ruled out, though, that the discovered anomalies can be explained. They can be probably connected with certain peculiarities of the lunar dust and its interaction with electrostatic charges. However, serious scientists prefer not to throw too much light on the subject.
 

[Scootle]

O dear ... it seems Adam and Jamie of mythbusters contribute to Popular Mechanics...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mythbusters/

Well that raises serious doubts about their Apollo hoax piece ... dammit ... why are all the shows I like NWO tools?

[Unintelligable Name]

O dear ... it seems Adam and Jamie of mythbusters contribute to Popular Mechanics...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mythbusters/

Well that raises serious doubts about their Apollo hoax piece ... dammit ... why are all the shows I like NWO tools?

Helloooo..... I've been saying that!!!!

9/11, Moon Landing, Water Boarding Mythbusters episdoes.... all propaganda! Although... did they do a 9/11 episode or did I imagine it...

[Scootle]

No but aparently Adam does want to... I think their show is too upbeat for a 9/11 show tho ... they briefly mentioned chemtrails in a recent episode too coz it was a top request for them to test but they said it was just crazy ... that being said I don't think they're bad guys...just uninformed... they never did a waterboarding show but they did do a water torture show... which is different... they also did an RFID episode which was banned so obviously someone didnt like its conclusions.

Tory Belleci is also aware of the NWO it seems...

"Tory also has written and directed his own short films including the 1999 short Sand Trooper, which played at the Slamdance Film Festival and also aired on the Sci-Fi Channel."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFADFgL6mdo&fmt=18