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« Reply #1040 on: July 02, 2009, 03:14:38 AM » |
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I see the eye of the pyramid too!
Great scott!
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« Reply #1041 on: July 02, 2009, 04:58:25 AM » |
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Did you check out lens flare like I suggested?
Your research skills are very poor.
here's a clue.. type "lens flare" in google images and see what you get.
Come on david.. please make an effort.
well on those photos lens flares are only there when the sun or lightsource is in the picture. But its not on the moon photo. Still looks like a lens flare to me. Oh wait here is one.  |
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« Reply #1042 on: July 02, 2009, 08:33:25 AM » |
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I have no comment either way on the following e-mail I got from someone I was corresponding with: "There are plenty of ways to undermine the moon hoax arguments. I'll just mention one. I'm an Extra Class Amateur Radio operator (since 1978), just one of hundreds of thousands across the planet. Many of them have VHF radio capability and have been monitoring NASA manned flight communications since the early 1960's. The radio transmission characteristics of space flight make it possible to confirm the general positions of spacecraft during orbit, translunar injection, lunar orbit, and lunar landing. In fact, an amateur radio activity is called EME (Earth-Moon-Earth), bouncing microwave signals off the moon and listening for the echo. It's also a good way to confirm the earth-moon distance. A British listening post independently monitored all Apollo missions and computed spacecraft positions. One can bet our Cold War rivals in the USSR did the same. Had we not done as we claimed, they surely would have called us on it during the bad old days of the Cold War and Space Race, but they never did. Lots more similar evidence at http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html in case you're interested. To me, this debate is the silliest of internet fads. The imagination is a wonderful thing sometimes, but it has its dark side, and nothing trumps solid evidence and reason." I've heard this before, but I thought he expressed it pretty well. |
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I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society, but the people themselves, and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. - Thomas Jefferson.
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« Reply #1043 on: July 02, 2009, 08:38:58 AM » |
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Thanks boxcarjack, that is an excellent post.
The fact that the Russians and professional/amatuer astronomers didn't expose "the hoax" is difficult for a hoax believer to get around.
In fact they don't try.. "oh... well.. what about this one.." and off they go like they've tried with me here.
Or "I only post stuff that fits in with my belief" (a true classic).
I'm still waiting for one of them to admit that the "different lighting" claim is a crock.
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« Reply #1044 on: July 02, 2009, 11:40:17 AM » |
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Thanks boxcarjack, that is an excellent post.
The fact that the Russians and professional/amatuer astronomers didn't expose "the hoax" is difficult for a hoax believer to get around.
In fact they don't try.. "oh... well.. what about this one.." and off they go like they've tried with me here.
Or "I only post stuff that fits in with my belief" (a true classic).
I'm still waiting for one of them to admit that the "different lighting" claim is a crock.
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The question isn't whether we are right or wrong, the question is, are we even in the conversation??
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« Reply #1045 on: July 02, 2009, 12:00:34 PM » |
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Hey fellow hoax believers ... and denier friends. I'm on vacation out here in Portland and Oregon Coast ... just scanned the last few pages ... good stuff all.
About the scotch tape pix ... the 'different lighting' controversy is interesting, because in MANY Apollo photos in looks to many people that the propaganda flags were spotlit to standout in poor light ... that's one argument ... but the more interesting thing about the 'flags' is the SCOTCH TAPE!
WHAT'S UP WITH THE SCOTCH TAPE! ON THE F'ING MOON? IN BOILING+ TEMPS?
I posted the pictures of the flag as further evidence that they were using what looks like SCOTCH TAPE, and not only on the proganda flags but on the LM itself! This is astounding!
(See Post #451)
VOSK ... please debunk this ... I have fallen down a rabbit hole, and I can't get up!
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« Reply #1046 on: July 02, 2009, 12:36:43 PM » |
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How much research have you done into boxcarjack's post? I'd like to see it.
It is a fact that no russians or astronomers anywhere cried foul! |
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« Reply #1047 on: July 02, 2009, 12:39:29 PM » |
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About the scotch tape pix ... the 'different lighting' controversy is interesting, It's not "interesting" it's busted. Are you saying you think the "different lighting" claim in your post is a good claim? Did you even do the obvious thing? I even posted the originals for gods sake. Did you look at them. Jackson Holly, you have to say the claim in the picture/commentary is a deceptive piece of bullsh*t. Are you going to deny it? |
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« Reply #1048 on: July 02, 2009, 12:42:39 PM » |
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WHAT'S UP WITH THE SCOTCH TAPE! ON THE F'ING MOON? IN BOILING+ TEMPS? This is bullsh*t. You don't even know what kind of tape it was. You need to research this. Are you prepared to do that? |
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« Reply #1049 on: July 02, 2009, 01:42:59 PM » |
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Lots of ducttape had been used throughout the space missions. Its an allround tool. Also you dont have boiling heat on the moon if you arent exposed to radiation. And even if you are exposed to it it still depends on the material how hot it gets. I found a German site with some nice explanations that make alot of sense. http://www.apollo-projekt.de/tesafilm.htmIt basicly says... was the flag taped to the landing module with scotch tape? The temperatures on the moon are 130°C on days and -150°C at night. How can scotch tape survive the extreme temperatures? But since there are 14 days between day and night on the moon you dont have extreme temperatures but rather a gradual increase of temperature about 20°C per 24 hours and only with objects exposed to direct radiation of the sun. Of course nasa didnt use scotch tape but duct tape. watertight fabric developed 1942 to seal ammo crates against humidity. the soldiers realized the versatility of the tape and used it to temporarily fix weapons, jeeps, planes. after the war duct tape had been used in heating and airconditioning systems. Nasa used duct tape on almost every mission like apollo 17 where they used it to fix the car wing(?) on the rover.  |
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« Reply #1050 on: July 02, 2009, 01:53:19 PM » |
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« Reply #1051 on: July 02, 2009, 02:13:37 PM » |
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Well you dont have even tracks. Also very good to see in this image.  Edit: also I read that the astronauts sometimes moved (as in carry) the buggy manually to avoid complicated manuevering on tricky terrain. Edit2: Also didnt some people here say that NASA destroyed the blueprints of the buggy and all data and stuff? What about this here? http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LRV_OpsNAS8-25145.pdf |
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« Reply #1052 on: July 03, 2009, 08:59:41 AM » |
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iks83: Of course nasa didnt use scotch tape but duct tape. The 'flag pictures' don't show duct tape ... they show what looks for all the world like plain old scotch tape. So do the pictures of the LM:  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=47982.msg693575#msg693575~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These were not emergency repairs ... NASA apparently wants us to believe that they used scotch tape on the LM as a standard procedure.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ iks83 link: http://www.moonhoax.lipi.at/adhesivetape.htm"The temperatures on the Moon are +130°C during the day and -150°C at night, how can adhesive tape tolerate such temperature differences? With regards to the adhesive tape, cameras and films, conspiracy theorists usually mention “extreme temperature differences”. What they don’t mention is that the time difference between night and day on the Moon is about two weeks – that’s almost half a month." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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« Reply #1053 on: July 03, 2009, 09:04:17 AM » |
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Jackson Holly, can we finish the "different lighting" claim please.
I hope you will now agree that the posting you made is clearly deceptive.
Yes?
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« Reply #1054 on: July 03, 2009, 09:15:02 AM » |
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Are they saying that the temp on the MOON is not around 300 degrees F, in the lit areas? Are they trying to make the case that the MOON is actually balmy and that scotch tape (or duct tape) is perfectly OK for general use? well sure. Here we go again - more Duct Tape* fixes in space... http://www.ducttapeguys.com/NASA/index.htmlyou can do anything with duct tape.  |
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« Reply #1055 on: July 03, 2009, 09:15:52 AM » |
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you can do anything with duct tape. It's very versatile. Are you saying it's not? |
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« Reply #1056 on: July 03, 2009, 09:29:51 AM » |
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It's very versatile.
Are you saying it's not?
just for you sunshine. http://www.psych.org/ |
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« Reply #1057 on: July 03, 2009, 09:31:46 AM » |
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^^^ Jackson Holly, can we finish the "different lighting" claim please.
I hope you will now agree that the posting you made is clearly deceptive.
Yes?
No ... I don't agree ... many pix (some which I have posted) look spot lit, not available light. Many shots of the bogus 'flag in the shadows' clearly look 'spot lit for emphasis' to me. I know the arguments about reflectors nearby, yadayada ... I know about the use of white/silver card reflectors in the studio ... and the soil/LM reflectivity could add some fill light in the shadows of some pics ... but as for the flag pix, I am far from convinced.  Photographers routinely watch for specular highlights and are careful of their placement, especially in portraiture, as shown, and in jewelry etc. One can look closely at a shot of a reflective item and tell you the much about the studio setup ... intensity of the lights, shape, placement etc. Many people point out the 'specular highlights' in certain NASA photos to show that multiple light sources were used. If the NASA photos used multiple lights then there will be specular highlights (catchlights) in the reflective surfaces to reveal them ... unless they were carefully retouched out, which may be the case. And please remember that you are talking to a studio photographer with many years experience. ~~~~~~~~ It's very versatile.
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« Reply #1058 on: July 03, 2009, 09:33:07 AM » |
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Is that the 200mph duct tape that those race car driver use?  I got a better use for it, see what I did to this NWO scumbag   |
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« Reply #1061 on: July 03, 2009, 10:04:36 AM » |
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Thanks for posting the extreme closeups ... the best shots of the scotch tape on the thread!
The claim in your post is deceptive. Yes? Come on be a man.. admit it. |
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« Reply #1062 on: July 03, 2009, 10:10:03 AM » |
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pics are the same. Did you not research this? |
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« Reply #1063 on: July 03, 2009, 10:13:54 AM » |
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The claim in your post is deceptive.
Yes?
Come on be a man.. admit it.
The composite says "Same decals, lighted differently" to make it plain that they were the SAME decals from APOLLO 17 ... the closeup (which showed the tape the best) was from a slightly different angle. I don't think he was trying to show something major about the lighting - he was trying to make a point about the stupid SCOTCH TAPE. |
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« Reply #1064 on: July 03, 2009, 10:17:45 AM » |
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pics are the same. Did you not research this? This is great, we can see the blatant dishonesty in all it's glory. They are not the same! Are you actually claiming there is nothing deceptive about the pictures in that claim? The claim is about lighting and... someone changed the colour changed the brightness compressed it so there is detail loss cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious. "they're the same". !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeze! Grown some balls and admit it's wrong. Then say sorry. |
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« Reply #1066 on: July 03, 2009, 10:25:19 AM » |
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NOT THE SAME!
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
AND YOU POSTED A SMALLER VERSION WHICH BECAUSE OF JPEG COMPRESSION LOSES DETAIL (I understand many stupid people like no-planers have problems with the idea of compression).
The claim is a great big steaming pile of shite.
Just admit it and say sorry.
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« Reply #1067 on: July 03, 2009, 10:26:39 AM » |
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NOT THE SAME!
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
AND YOU POSTED A SMALLER VERSION WHICH BECAUSE OF JPEG COMPRESSION LOSES DETAIL (I understand many stupid people like no-planers have problems with the idea of compression).
The claim is a great big steaming pile of shite.
Just admit it and say sorry.
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« Reply #1068 on: July 03, 2009, 10:28:42 AM » |
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it is, thats why i posted all 3 together. get over yourself.
You are a very dishonest person. Very. For everyone else watching this thread.. this is a perfect example of the mentality of hoax believers. |
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« Reply #1069 on: July 03, 2009, 10:31:53 AM » |
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You are a very dishonest person.
Very.
For everyone else watching this thread.. this is a perfect example of the mentality of hoax believers.
its there for every one to see. if any ones dishonest its you for trying to hide the man behind the curtain, when hes there for all to see. |
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« Reply #1070 on: July 03, 2009, 10:33:49 AM » |
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Dear dok,
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
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« Reply #1071 on: July 03, 2009, 10:42:22 AM » |
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Voskhod3:
Do you realize name-calling is against forum rules?
Nobody is being deceptive here except you.
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« Reply #1073 on: July 03, 2009, 10:45:26 AM » |
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Nobody is being deceptive here except you.
YOU are being deceptive! You are beneath contempt. The claim is about lighting and... someone changed the colour changed the brightness compressed it so there is detail loss cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious. Is this true? |
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« Reply #1075 on: July 03, 2009, 10:46:01 AM » |
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Dear dok,
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
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« Reply #1076 on: July 03, 2009, 10:47:07 AM » |
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Dok, go and learn about compression.
Now is this true?
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
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« Reply #1077 on: July 03, 2009, 10:47:23 AM » |
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Dear dok,
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
is this true?
its about you didnt look into the pictures. You claim there wrong pics when in fact they are the same. Did you not research this?? Thats a yes or no question.  |
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« Reply #1078 on: July 03, 2009, 10:48:03 AM » |
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Dok, go and learn about compression.
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« Reply #1079 on: July 03, 2009, 10:49:53 AM » |
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Dear dok,
The claim is about lighting and...
someone changed the colour
changed the brightness
compressed it so there is detail loss
cropped the right picture doesn't show where the shadow is
cropped the left picture so the lens flare is not obvious.
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