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http://www.debunking911.comHave anyone cared to read though this site? I looked around, but it's just SO much plain text and badly set up that I can't be asked to read it. What I wondered at first was the image on the main page. The picture of the south tower. Is it me or have that image had some photoshop treatment? (Look at the top of the building). To me it looks like the top is about to tip over and fall away from the tower... Silverstein said he "pulled" building 7. Pull is demolition terminology for blowing up the building * "Pull" is not demolition terminology for blowing up buildings. * Building 6 was literally pulled with cables which is why they said "We're about to pull building 6" in a PBS special. * Silverstein say "they" made the decision and not Silverstein * They made the decision to pull the rescue operation out. * The fire commander's statements agree with Silverstein's statement * Many firefighters said they were pulled away from building 7 because they feared the building would collapse http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm This also made me laugh real hard... First of all they say building 6 was pulled with cables... WTF?? And what was said whas "The decision was to pull IT"... Not the team or the operation... Pull IT. You wouldn't say it about firemen...
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 07:37:57 AM » |
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This also made me laugh real hard...
First of all they say building 6 was pulled with cables... WTF??
And what was said whas "The decision was to pull IT"... Not the team or the operation... Pull IT. You wouldn't say it about firemen... These are the same type people who mindlessly deny the very existence of the planned NAFTA superhighway -- even though the Texas Legislature voted to block it! They are undoubtedly among the 50% of Americans who -- well over a year after the CIA concluded in its widely publicized final report that no WMDs had been found in Iraq -- still believed that Iraq did have WMDs.  There's no aspect of objective reality they won't deliberately ignore, nor any government lie they won't gleefully parrot as gospel, even after it's been irrefutably exposed as a lie. So to even say 2+2=4 to these authority-worshipping, self-appointed know-it-alls would be to cast pearls before swine. You'd have better luck arguing with a sign post. |
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 08:09:24 AM » |
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Looking at that website it's fairly well organized and looks decent. Takes a bit of time and money to run.
Wouldn't suprise me one bit that it was run out of DHS or the DOD.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 08:22:01 AM » |
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I love how they bring racism into this argument:
Conspiracy theorists like to say "Some Arabs with box cutters couldn't have pulled this off." Let's forget for a minute how racist that statement is. (Arabs can do anything Americans can do) Let's also imagine that the hijackers didn't make it clear they had a bomb as well as the box cutters. The fact is they were the perfect ones to pull this off. Osama went to school for civil engineering at a time when the towers were being built. America thought enough of him to use him to hold off the USSR in Afghanistan. Most of the hijackers have college educations. Some had flight experience and trained with simulators.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 09:36:23 AM » |
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I love how they bring racism into this argument:
Conspiracy theorists like to say "Some Arabs with box cutters couldn't have pulled this off." Let's forget for a minute how racist that statement is. (Arabs can do anything Americans can do) Let's also imagine that the hijackers didn't make it clear they had a bomb as well as the box cutters. The fact is they were the perfect ones to pull this off. Osama went to school for civil engineering at a time when the towers were being built. America thought enough of him to use him to hold off the USSR in Afghanistan. Most of the hijackers have college educations. Some had flight experience and trained with simulators.
ROTFLMAO, oh WOW debunked!
Contrary to what armchair psychologists and liars-for-hire so often claim, the self-evident fact is that a large percentage of the public (probably the majority) have an emotional and psychological "need" to believe that their wuving government would not do something this horrible. There are thus certain things they simply don't want to know about. (A point Jordan Maxwell made repeatedly on Alex's show the other day.) Blame-freedom-firsters -- particularly those on the government payroll -- know this, of course, which is why they never hesitate to make ridiculous, demonstratably false assertions in support of the official theory. They know there are literally tens of millions of people out there who've become so cowardly, that they'd rather climb Mount Everest to be told a comforting lie than stand still and be told a discomforting truth; and who will thus fall hook, line and sinker for every " magic bullet"-style explanation that so-called "debunkers" pull out of their backsides. Unfortunately for these establishment shills, it's not 1968 anymore. Or even 1988. Thanks to Alex Jones and others, there are also tens of millions of us who now know who the real " terrorists" are, and that anyone who knowingly shills for these terrorists is thereby an accomplice to their treasonous crimes against America. To put it more bluntly, these knowing shills who laughingly call themselves "debunkers" are themselves traitors to this republic! So enjoy your 30 pieces of silver while you can, traitors to America, because you will be brought to Justice for your crimes. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 09:52:58 AM » |
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The truth would set us free, however it would imprison the sociapthic regime in power.
Denial, is generally their responce,labelling anyone who does not agree with them as they have us, paying lackeys to print articles to the contrary. In other words, coverup, and feed off the peoples ignorence.
I have to add, they are not doing such a great job, why, because human being such as us are getting the truth out there.
The ultimate statement, for the people and by the people, is to March, in Mass, on DC. July 12th.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 11:50:33 AM » |
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I love how they bring racism into this argument:
Conspiracy theorists like to say "Some Arabs with box cutters couldn't have pulled this off."
Does the term Arab descibe a race.. or a nationality? I'd say nationality, therefore there is no racism.. Just because sombody hates France, doesn't mean they hate white people. |
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 04:22:16 PM » |
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But equally isnt there a group of people who need to believe there's more it it? That "there's a vast and complicated conspiracy behind it all, planned by extremely powerful and influential people" is alot more comforting than "a handful of brainwashed fundamentalist lunatics seized control of passenger jets and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands and temporarily bringing the most powerful nation on Earth to its knees"? Those guys couldn't possibly have done this to us it must be the big scary faceless government! Your also going to do a great job getting your message across if you describe anyone who doesnt instantly blindly follow whichever version of events is currently in vogue at the moment as traitors. How is believing the government did it more comforting than a few arabs who got lucky once while we were'nt paying attention. I'd feel a whole lot better about things if it was just some arab fanatics. Fanatics don't have nukes and deadly bioweapons that can kill millions but the government does. Hell the fbi even admitts the anthrax came from a bioweapons lab in ft. Deatrick md. I'm not sure how thinking the government did it is comforting. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 04:33:42 PM » |
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It was via the buddy system on Odigo software, which allows one to communicate to a large group of people that share a trait, such as the Hebrew language, that thousands of Israelis were warned not to go to the twin towers on 9/11. American Securities and Exchange Commission says Israeli citizens, sold short a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Christopher Bollyn. Four thousand Jews never turned to at the WTC on 911, “We talked to their private security staff, we talked to people who were there with Larry Silverstein on 9/11… they said he got a phone call telling him not to show up to work, and he called his daughter up and she never showed up either.” Rudkowski Prison Planet Hey there honey get rid of them blues Daddy’s getting money you’ll be gettin’ new shoes Turn on the telly it’ll be on the news Stay at home today like the rest of the Jews Cause today were gonna blow… Woo Woo / Down the freakin buildings go Woo Woo / We collect the dough Woo Woo / Stay at home and watch the show… Woo Woo Woo Woodledoodledoo… Rip it up Frank Hey Man you say that four thou were away That’s a lotta bodies at the end of the day This is the way I see it don’t wanna be crass There’s a hell a lotta Jews thatta gotta go to trial Scrutinize pizza delivery records for the evening of September 11, 2001 throughout Australia’s major cities. Short selling of stocks involves the opportunity to gain large profits by passing shares to a friendly third party, then buying them back when the price falls. Historically, if this precedes a traumatic event, it is an indication of foreknowledge. Could be Jews who knew the attacks were going to happen, sat up late in Melbourne and Sydney, on the evening of September 11, to watch the show which began in those cities sometime around 0002 AEST Sept 12, maybe it was common knowledge in some schools, picture teenage entrepreneurs sitting up late stuffing their guts with pizza, watching their investments mature. Did a spike occur in late night food orders in Australia prior to the attacks on the evening of 911, if it did, were those extra orders delivered to the homes of Jews, more specifically Frank Lowy of Australian Soccer and Westfield fame, he was mixed up with Larry Silverstein re the proposed redevelopment of the WTC site, it follows that if Silverstein knew so did Lowy. http://www.dockersunion.com |
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 04:34:58 PM » |
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Does the term Arab descibe a race.. or a nationality?
I'd say nationality, therefore there is no racism..
Just because sombody hates France, doesn't mean they hate white people.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 06:43:38 PM » |
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http://www.debunking911.comHave anyone cared to read though this site? I looked around, but it's just SO much plain text and badly set up that I can't be asked to read it. What I wondered at first was the image on the main page. The picture of the south tower. Is it me or have that image had some photoshop treatment? (Look at the top of the building). To me it looks like the top is about to tip over and fall away from the tower... apparently thats how the tower fell..see this..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkp9AAhS6Ls&feature=relatedhttp://www.debunking911.comThis also made me laugh real hard... First of all they say building 6 was pulled with cables... WTF?? And what was said whas "The decision was to pull IT"... Not the team or the operation... Pull IT. You wouldn't say it about firemen... actually you shouldn't be laughing if you didn't even bother to read through the site..
research "Silversteens quote" enough and you will see that it was taken out of context.."pull it" could have meant pulling the crew..maybe, maybe not
whatever he meant by "pull it" we DO NOT know..we may be right and we may be wrong, but the facts show that the quote was taken out of context..
and the site also points out the extensive damage to the south side of WTC7..
I have no problem believing that it came down due to a controlled demolition, I also have no problem believing that Larry Silversteen is an evil bastard opportunist who was willing to sacrafice thousands to make a buck..but I want proof..not just suspicion..the site you want to debunk needs more careful consideration..there are some truths there..if you are not willing to invest the time to at least read it then perhaps you should just leave well enough alone..
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 07:21:20 PM » |
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But equally isnt there a group of people who need to believe there's more it it? That "there's a vast and complicated conspiracy behind it all, planned by extremely powerful and influential people" is alot more comforting than "a handful of brainwashed fundamentalist lunatics seized control of passenger jets and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands and temporarily bringing the most powerful nation on Earth to its knees"? Those guys couldn't possibly have done this to us it must be the big scary faceless government! Your also going to do a great job getting your message across if you describe anyone who doesnt instantly blindly follow whichever version of events is currently in vogue at the moment as traitors. Are you daft? How is it more comforting to believe that your own government murdered your countrymen just to start a war? I'd much rather believe that my enemy is a small group of arabs hiding in a cave on the other side of the world than a giant looming government with endless resources and control of the military and media. You didn't think that statement through did you? Of course not, because that's the same "debunking" argument used by popular mechanics. |
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 07:22:59 PM » |
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apparently thats how the tower fell..see this..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkp9AAhS6Ls&feature=relatedactually you shouldn't be laughing if you didn't even bother to read through the site..
research "Silversteens quote" enough and you will see that it was taken out of context.."pull it" could have meant pulling the crew..maybe, maybe not
whatever he meant by "pull it" we DO NOT know..we may be right and we may be wrong, but the facts show that the quote was taken out of context..
and the site also points out the extensive damage to the south side of WTC7..
I have no problem believing that it came down due to a controlled demolition, I also have no problem believing that Larry Silversteen is an evil bastard opportunist who was willing to sacrafice thousands to make a buck..but I want proof..not just suspicion..the site you want to debunk needs more careful consideration..there are some truths there..if you are not willing to invest the time to at least read it then perhaps you should just leave well enough alone..
~thank you.. So what more do you need to be convinced that wtc7 was demolished? You got blasts going up the side, a crimp in the middle, A count down witnessed before it collapsed. A witness who said explosions were going off and the lobby was destroyed before either tower collapsed. You also have the penthouse collapsing a few seconds before the rest of the building. Also the few small fires or a scoop out of one side would not have caused a collapse into its own footprint. Also like the twin towers there was apparently no resistance to the collapse judging by the time it took to fall. So what do you want ? A video of someone planting bombs in the building. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 08:26:53 PM » |
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So what more do you need to be convinced that wtc7 was demolished? You got blasts going up the side, a crimp in the middle, A count down witnessed before it collapsed. A witness who said explosions were going off and the lobby was destroyed before either tower collapsed. You also have the penthouse collapsing a few seconds before the rest of the building. Also the few small fires or a scoop out of one side would not have caused a collapse into its own footprint. Also like the twin towers there was apparently no resistance to the collapse judging by the time it took to fall. So what do you want ? A video of someone planting bombs in the building.
Never said it wasn't.. what I need is some objective reasoning here.. you cant just say that the site in question is nothing more than laughable nonsense, without at least reading the text.. I am no longer brainwashed by either side.. the government expects us to take it all at face value.. and just accept it.. you want me to see it from your point of view.. I would prefer to remain objective until there is nothing left to sift through but the truth..
Fact: Silversteens comments were taken out of context..
Fact: the damage to the southside was more extensive than most will admit..
I am not saying that it wasn’t a controlled demolition, I’m just saying that using Silversteens quote is NOT proof.. and the “small inconsequential fires” were actually a lot bigger than we have been lead to believe by the truth movement.. its more important to be accurate in what we proclaim.. only then will people listen to us.. why is it that the truth movement has so many inconsistancies? Because we are all adding our opinion instead of backing up what we say with facts..
Now this is just my opinion.. but I think we need to be more focused on facts rather than “talking points”.. we are starting to sound just like the media.. no planes at the pentagon used to be a truther talking point.. but that has proven to be false.. so I will remain skeptical about a lot of these topics until I see proof that I am wrong..
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Never said it wasn't.. what I need is some objective reasoning here.. you cant just say that the site in question is nothing more than laughable nonsense, without at least reading the text.. I am no longer brainwashed by either side.. the government expects us to take it all at face value.. and just accept it.. you want me to see it from your point of view.. I would prefer to remain objective until there is nothing left to sift through but the truth..
Fact: Silversteens comments were taken out of context..
Fact: the damage to the southside was more extensive than most will admit..
I am not saying that it wasn’t a controlled demolition, I’m just saying that using Silversteens quote is NOT proof.. and the “small inconsequential fires” were actually a lot bigger than we have been lead to believe by the truth movement.. its more important to be accurate in what we proclaim.. only then will people listen to us.. why is it that the truth movement has so many inconsistancies? Because we are all adding our opinion instead of backing up what we say with facts..
Now this is just my opinion.. but I think we need to be more focused on facts rather than “talking points”.. we are starting to sound just like the media.. no planes at the pentagon used to be a truther talking point.. but that has proven to be false.. so I will remain skeptical about a lot of these topics until I see proof that I am wrong..
Sometimes sitting on the fence gives you a better view~pcc
Ok so discount silverstein if you want. I personally don't use the siverstein quote because it is open to interpretation to some. So throw that out if you want. As for the fires in the building there are pictures of the fires and no fires can even be seen on the face of building 7 as it collapses. So how extensive could they have been? If they were so big how come they could not have spread to the other side of the building and be seen. |
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2008, 01:41:31 PM » |
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I can't excuse silverstein as being uninvolved in this because of his little insurance debacle. but i would find it rather odd he would come out and admit that he ordered the demolition on national tv. i guess he's just playing word games so he and his pals can laugh their asses off while the sheep bicker over what he really meant.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2011, 02:32:47 PM » |
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Hey guys I've got a question regarding Larry Silversteins involvement in the 9/11 affair. People say that he profited by explicitly insuring the WTC against terrorist attacks just very few months before the fall of the WTC happened. Now people say he also made a lot of profit by claiming that the two planes hitting the two towers were 2 separate attacks independent from each other. I have seen a comment from a person on that issue telling the following.
"Only people that do not understand insurance say that Silverstein profited.
1) Silverstein had to rebuild, or repay the cost of the buildings as part of every lease. That cost is 3x what he made on insurance.
2) He's had no revenue for 10 years.
3) He intentionally UNDERINSURED less than the lenders recommended.
4) And to get lower premiums, it was HIS IDEA to have the policy treat "series of similar events" as one event.
All of this sounds convincing to me even though i thought Silverstein indeed was involved in that incident before and i was sure of it. So what do you guys think about that?
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2011, 02:46:18 PM » |
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I'd also be interested if anyone could explain why on earth he admitted to pulling the building.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 02:03:26 PM » |
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This "pull it" phrase is ridiculous (it's not a demo term. that was made up in loose change). By hanging on to "evidence" such as this is what makes the 9/11 truth movement look like a bunch of kooks. Damnit we have good evidence such as THEY ARE THE ONLY 3 STEEL FRAMED STRUCTURES THAT WERE EVER BROUGHT DOWN BY FIRE (in one afternoon mind you) so we all need to forget about loose change and stop talking about "pull it" because it makes us look like IDIOTS.
George Bush didn't know (plausible deniability)
It was carried out by some group of israeli origin.
The upper floors of the towers were closed off for 2 days prior to 9/11.
The WTC was filled with asbestos as it was built 70's. Supposed estimates say that asbestos abatement would rival the very value of the buildings themselves and selling the buildings unabated would not really be an option so it's not that he profited off insurance so much as he just didn't lose all the money he would have if they didn't get demo'ed.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 04:50:40 PM » |
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This "pull it" phrase is ridiculous (it's not a demo term. that was made up in loose change). By hanging on to "evidence" such as this is what makes the 9/11 truth movement look like a bunch of kooks. Damnit we have good evidence such as THEY ARE THE ONLY 3 STEEL FRAMED STRUCTURES THAT WERE EVER BROUGHT DOWN BY FIRE (in one afternoon mind you) so we all need to forget about loose change and stop talking about "pull it" because it makes us look like IDIOTS.
George Bush didn't know (plausible deniability)
It was carried out by some group of israeli origin.
The upper floors of the towers were closed off for 2 days prior to 9/11.
The WTC was filled with asbestos as it was built 70's. Supposed estimates say that asbestos abatement would rival the very value of the buildings themselves and selling the buildings unabated would not really be an option so it's not that he profited off insurance so much as he just didn't lose all the money he would have if they didn't get demo'ed.
So, what did he mean by "pull it"? Pull "it" (the contingent of firemen?) no way. Nobody would say that in that context. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2011, 01:02:13 AM » |
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I like the little logical fallacies thing. I took philosophy and though I came out of that class with an A I still don't fully understand them. AND they're good to know when debating. . .keeps you from looking like a complete idiot.
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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2011, 01:37:32 AM » |
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WTC7 will be the hub of the wheel when the truth rolls out.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2011, 02:21:10 AM » |
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There must be something wrong with people who spend their time questioning conspiracy theorists instead of the global elite.
Their natural instincts are all haywire.
I think its the result of watching cartoons until you are 23.
Its not their arguments i have a problem with but the idea that if they say something that makes it so. What we want is for Silverstein to say it, so we have him on record.
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2011, 03:31:08 AM » |
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WTC7 will be the hub of the wheel when the truth rolls out.
I couldn't agree more... WTC7 was the final straw for me on 9/11, especially when its collapse was reported before it happened. From that moment on, every so-called "fact" of the official story was immediately suspect. |
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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2011, 07:38:17 AM » |
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There must be something wrong with people who spend their time questioning conspiracy theorists instead of the global elite.
Their natural instincts are all haywire.
I think its the result of watching cartoons until you are 23. No, it's just a simple case of intellectual cowardice. It takes a lot of courage to take sides against those more powerful than you and zero courage to side with them. Or, to put it in metaphorical terms, it takes a lot of courage to be the nail that sticks out above the rest and zero courage to be one of the countless many that stays obediently in line. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2011, 06:42:30 PM » |
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Many "conspiracy theories" are co-intel-programs floated by the elite to muddy the debate within a true conspiracy... the Kennedy assassination was surrounded by these co-intel-theories for years. One by one they have been disproved and discounted leaving the truth as the shining gold in the bottom of the pan after the work of washing of the slurry is done...
So, something is actually RIGHT with people who question, who work to prove or disprove theories, even correct ones... this is the process of "Panning for Truth." This is what we do.
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