Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[phasma]

Hi Mym, Im not sure about this, If you were inside the reinforced concerete structure, and a bomb went off, if a plane crashed, you may or may not hear the engines, but you would hear the blast.
Im not sure it would be possible to know which was which ! :S

[mym]

Hey there Phasma, thanks yeah I thought of the concrete structure but the plane they heard?  agh, to really trust anyone in the Pentagon or related to-even the witnesses, is almost goin beyond limits lol

[Scootle]

I havent read any witness accounts that describe two planes at the same time have you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcat-y0p9zo

[Scootle]

YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT.

LMAO!



Why wasn't this troll banned with the others?

[mym]

LOL excellent pic! 

[Voskhod3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcat-y0p9zo

Sorry... where you the one telling us how Steve Anderson saw eveything from the USA Today library?

Did Steve 'liar' Anderson see two planes pass over the Pentagon?

[Voskhod3]

Why wasn't this troll banned with the others?

Hey.. there is no need for this sh*t. Grow up will you.

DVD has not trolled in the slightest and as far as I can see has answered people point by point.

What's the matter, is he too hard for you to debate with?

[DVD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcat-y0p9zo

what's this witnesses name its kind of hard to tell with his face being blurred. is he with pnac?

[DVD]

Why wasn't this troll banned with the others?

is it because i am a "lier" and a "dikhead"?

i believe the only troll has been proven to be you whom i have left unable to address practically all of my counterpoints to everyone of your silly little claims.

[DVD]

Hey.. there is no need for this sh*t. Grow up will you.

DVD has not trolled in the slightest and as far as I can see has answered people point by point.

What's the matter, is he too hard for you to debate with?

thank you.

i'm a believer in do unto others as they do unto you.

if you go back to my original banning which jimd is so proud of you will see i never did anything to violate the tos. i was singled out because of my relationship with cit and my understanding of their work on the pentagon because of my close association. while i do not speak for craig & aldo, i am knowledgable enough about the work to be able to answer a lot of questions which arise and address and counter argue the arguments against it.

when people deal with me respectfully i treat them the same regardless of what side of the debate they are on.

[DVD]

for those interested craig was on kevin barret's show discussing all this info including the duhbunkers attacks against cit : http://noliesradio.org/archives/3068

and while jimd and scootle belittle the work of cit both kevin barret & richard gage have looked at and now endorses cit's work.

and here's another amazing interview from think or be eaten radio about this new presentation : http://beyondthegrassyknoll.com/audio/ranke.mp3

[Voskhod3]

DVD perhaps you could help me.

On another thread I started there is a list of about 150 "known" witnesses to the Pentagon incident.

Did CIT ever attempt to categorise these witnesses into north/south/neutral citgo? (I started but there is a lot to do).

Also was any evaluation of witnesses like Steve Anderson carried out - who I am convinced is lying because he couldn't have heard the jet before he saw the explosion.

How many people did CIT speak to?

The testimony of the people on the video in the OP is really very interesting, I'm definitely considering north of citgo because of it.

[Voskhod3]

Oh and is there a map/witness location anywhere?

I think that could be useful too.

I started one myself but it's hard to work out from the snippets we have just exactly where people were.

[DVD]

DVD perhaps you could help me.

i certainly can.

On another thread I started there is a list of about 150 "known" witnesses to the Pentagon incident.

Did CIT ever attempt to categorise these witnesses into north/south/neutral citgo? (I started but there is a lot to do).

"no such thing as 104 impact witnesses"

this of course is always ongoing research so it changes as more people are contacted by the effort has been made to identify and categorize as many witnesses as possible and attempt to contact for corroboration.

Also was any evaluation of witnesses like Steve Anderson carried out - who I am convinced is lying because he couldn't have heard the jet before he saw the explosion.

i don't believe anderson has but i could be wrong. his name doesn't ring a bell off the top of my head but then again i'm "the shanksville guy" so perhaps you can find something about him in the above linked thread.

How many people did CIT speak to?

i don't have a number off the top of my head.

The testimony of the people on the video in the OP is really very interesting, I'm definitely considering north of citgo because of it.

thats all that cit asks is to look at the evidence with an open mind and arrive to your own decisions.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

thats all that cit asks is to look at the evidence with an open mind and arrive to your own decisions.
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Is it? I don't think so. It sems that CIT are saying that if you don't agree with them then you are all manner of things, none of which are positive.

[Voskhod3]

Is it? I don't think so. It sems that CIT are saying that if you don't agree with them then you are all manner of things, none of which are positive.

Where?

[Voskhod3]

Steve Anderson was at the USA Today building about 1.6 miles north of the Pentagon. He said this:

"Tuesday morning, September 11, started out to be like any other day. The air was crisp and the sky was clear. I arrived at my office at about 6:45 a.m. I noted US Air and Delta flights taking off from Reagan National Airport. I figured the weather must be clear up the coast as the shuttle flights were taking off on time.

I made it through my morning regimen of reading five newspapers and scanning several websites. I was feeling pretty good about the fact that I had accomplished so much before the workday actually started.

I turned my attention to e-mail and then checked the newswires to see what went on in the world overnight. At about 8:50 a.m. a bulletin came across the wire stating a plane had crashed in to the World Trade Center. I turned on the television in my office and about 10 of us watched the black smoke rising above the colossal structure. The first reports said a small plane hit the tower. We all thought it must have been the result of a pilot having a heart attack.

The mood turned dark. As we watched the story it appeared that people were jumping out of windows in the burning building. We were collectively in a state of shock when we watched as a second plane slammed into the other tower of the World Trade Center.

At that moment we all knew what had happened. Terrorists had struck hard in New York. We all felt vulnerable in our own "Twin Towers" that overlook Washington, D.C. We have had several bomb threats over the years, but we never dreamed that something like this would happen.

Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.

It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."


Now I have accused him of lying because he couldn't have heard the jet as it takes 7.5 seconds for sound from the Pentagon to reach him.

However, maybe he did hear it if the jet came down the river as some witnesses have said. That would take it right past the USA Today building.

I think he was too far away to see the plane digging into the lawn, but he could have seen the plane bank.

He may be being economical with the truth here.

It's hard to know what to make of what he said.

[Voskhod3]

Concerning a potential flyover.

The plane would have to fly over the Pentagon.. then Jefferson Davis Highway.. then Interstate 395.. then George Washington Memorial Parkway....

A distance of roughly 4,000 feet which at it's supposed speed would take about 3 to 4 seconds.

Now I believe that prior to the impact traffic was already at a standstill on 395, so many of the witnesses should have been on these back roads.

Are there any witness statements from these positions?

Were the roads blocked off and empty thus explaining the standstill?

Why would anyone fake a south citgo path and STILL crash a plane into the building?

I must admit I'm completely puzzled by all this.

[DVD]

Concerning a potential flyover.

The plane would have to fly over the Pentagon.. then Jefferson Davis Highway.. then Interstate 395.. then George Washington Memorial Parkway....

A distance of roughly 4,000 feet which at it's supposed speed would take about 3 to 4 seconds.

Now I believe that prior to the impact traffic was already at a standstill on 395, so many of the witnesses should have been on these back roads.

Are there any witness statements from these positions?

Were the roads blocked off and empty thus explaining the standstill?

Why would anyone fake a south citgo path and STILL crash a plane into the building?

I must admit I'm completely puzzled by all this.

#1 - i'm trying to locate the map showing overhead positions of the eyewitnesses.

#2 - we know from roosevelt roberts the plane was somewhere over the south parking lot but we don't know the exact trajectory it was flying so i can't confirm whether it had to go this way or that way.

#3 - if the media was told a plane crashed at the pentagon why would they want to interview someone who only saw a low flying plane which "obviously" isn't the plane that hit the pentagon?

#4 - all the 911 calls have been confiscated and sequestered by the fbi. unlike the wtc 911 calls the 911 calls of arlington and shanksville have never been released to the american public. so it is therefor possible that people did see and report a flyover and the perpetrators are withholding that evidence.

#5 - if the intent was to crash the plane into the building there would be no need to simulate another flight path.

#6 - anyone who insisted they saw the plane fly over were told that they saw another plane and are simply mistaken.

for example in shanksville the fbi told susan mcelwain she saw a 757. when she told them what she saw was definitely not a 757 the feds blew her off and told her she didn't know what a 757 looked like. i know this from my conversation with susan. so if they were doing this to people in shanksville who risked exposing the official story as a fabrication then there is no reason to suspect this wasn't the standard operation procedure in arlington as well in regards to anyone who saw something contradictory.

[DVD]

thats all that cit asks is to look at the evidence with an open mind and arrive to your own decisions.

Is it? I don't think so. It sems that CIT are saying that if you don't agree with them then you are all manner of things, none of which are positive.

yes it is.

if you choose to go around the net calling them disinformation and a "cult" and posting disinformation, misinformation, conspiracy theories, lies, and innuendos then someone is going to call you out on it and show other people the truth about your counter arguments.

[Voskhod3]

Traffic on 9/11

On the morning of September 11, 2001, I was commuting as usual to my job in the Northern Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC. My normal route took me up Washington Boulevard in Arlington, past the west face of the Pentagon. Traffic had been even more horrendous than usual that morning, and I was running late. But, it was a beautiful late summer morning, and I was used to doggedly sitting in traffic while I listened to NPR on the radio.

http://www.troynovant.com/Kelly-J/Essays/Driving-Past-Pentagon.html

Was I-395 open?

[Voskhod3]

#4 - all the 911 calls have been confiscated and sequestered by the fbi. unlike the wtc 911 calls the 911 calls of arlington and shanksville have never been released to the american public. so it is therefor possible that people did see and report a flyover and the perpetrators are withholding that evidence.

Really?

Why would they withhold these?

Has anyone tried a FOIA on them?

[Voskhod3]

Witness Gary Bauer

I was in a massive traffic jam, hadn’t moved more than a hundred yards in twenty minutes. My office called to tell me about the first plane in New York, the reaction was ‘horrible accident.’ And then they called about the second plane, and clearly that meant something much worse was going on. It was only then that I really noticed where I was in that traffic jam. I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden...

Just what was happening on I-395?

This was worse than normal from what I can make out.

[Voskhod3]

Witness Pam Bradley

I work in Washington DC area, and was on my way to work, in my car, sitting on a bridge, and saw the plane hit the Pentagon. I am in a complete state of shock.

[trailhound]

Quote from: lostdog2323 on July 14, 2009, 09:34:29 PM
I havent read any witness accounts that describe two planes at the same time have you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcat-y0p9zo
   

 Thanks Scootle I had not seen that before. The website that posted it deemed it the C130 but I thought that was at least minutes later.    Interesting. That witness sounded like he meant right behind it. I wonder who that witness was and if he was interviewed further for clarification.

[trailhound]

 Got to work right now will help later.

 When i was reading the witness statements the other day I didnt see any witnesses contradict the flight path. They just say it went into the pentagon.

[Voskhod3]

Thanks Scootle I had not seen that before. The website that posted it deemed it the C130 but I thought that was at least minutes later.    Interesting. That witness sounded like he meant right behind it. I wonder who that witness was and if he was interviewed further for clarification.

He's not the only one who has two planes following each other.. there's at least one more... Keith Wheelhouse I think.

I wonder if these people have tried to rationalise still seeing a plane after the explosion.

I don't think the C-130 flew directly over the Pentagon.

[Voskhod3]

Actually I remember more about Keith Wheelhouse, he was coming away from a funeral at Arlington, I think someone checked out his story and there were trees blocking what was supposed to be his view.

Some people have him down as deliberately osfuscating about two planes.

[trailhound]

I don't think the C-130 flew directly over the Pentagon.

 Me either, i dont think Roosevelt would have mistaken it to be a silver commercial airliner. The doomsday plane is a whole other can of wtf.

[Voskhod3]

Me either, i dont think Roosevelt would have mistaken it to be a silver commercial airliner. The doomsday plane is a whole other can of wtf.

I think the flight data recording of the C-130 is on the net as is an interview with the Pilot.

It didn't go near the Pentagon, not real close anyway.

[Dig]

LMAO!

Why wasn't this troll banned with the others?

sorry, the ban button got stuck. the technicians have resolved the issue. should be all good now.

[Voskhod3]

Did you ban DVD?

[Dig]

Did you ban DVD?

Umm, pushing disinfo and flaming members? naaaaaah

[Voskhod3]

Umm, pushing disinfo and flaming members? naaaaaah

What disinfo? The north of citgo issue has 13 good witnesses and from what I've seen of other testimony there's not much that positively identifies a south of citgo path.

I hate no-planers.. I know disinfo when I see it, I've opposed it for years... but I think this is different. I'm not saying definite north of citgo, however the cops and Arlington Cemetary people have to be "in on it" if it's disinfo.

Why do you allow should obvious disinfo sh*te in the Apollo Hoax thread if you're going to ban people for posting disinfo?

[mym]

for example in shanksville the fbi told susan mcelwain she saw a 757. when she told them what she saw was definitely not a 757 the feds blew her off and told her she didn't know what a 757 looked like. i know this from my conversation with susan. so if they were doing this to people in shanksville who risked exposing the official story as a fabrication then there is no reason to suspect this wasn't the standard operation procedure in arlington as well in regards to anyone who saw something contradictory.

interesting  and if the FBI is telling people what they saw then you know it is definitely a cover up and are hushing witnesses.  Wonder if some were done away with 

DVD seems to be legit in his findings right?

[Voskhod3]

DVD seems to be legit in his findings right?

I have no idea.

But what he posted in this thread was always worth consideration.

[mym]

I don't believe we will ever come to know exactly what went down until someone or something leaks out.  But we should never give up on trying to find the truth to it all.

[Unintelligable Name]

"    Q: This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?

    Rumsfeld: There were lots of warnings. The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find. And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues.

    They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them. "



But... refer to my previous posts on the pointlessness of this debate.

[trailhound]

 So if there was this doomsday plane flying around the pentagon at light post level at the same time (within 10 seconds)  seems like somewhere a video MUST exist.  Im flabbergasted. 

 Any ideas on the best way to go about getting the footage released would be appreciated. 

[trailhound]

"Like I said before what I said contradicts the theories
of engineers that never asked me or Sgt Brooks or any Police
eyewitnesses what he-she or they saw. Obviously what I saw
happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt
see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be
miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane
was on the North or South side of the gas station."

-Sgt William Lagasse