Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[DAVIDENGLAND]

Stubblebine is one of the grandfathers of MK ULTRA amongst other shady things and you trust him.

[mym]

I said he sounds legit.  He denied having any claim to mind controlling schemes that people have attributed him to. 

I am not takin any sides...so many people seem legit lol

[DVD]

Be careful who you get into bed with

General Stubblebine -

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/actionabledisinformation23dec08.shtml

who said i was getting in bed with him? 

[phasma]

I`ll pass. LOL!

[DVD]

The entire pentagon attack in its intricate vagueness is just a trap for researchers and thats the way it was designed... that's probably the reason they even bothered attacking the Pentagon in my mind ...

yeah it had nothing to do with 2 trillion dollars and everything to do with "trapping researchers"......

no wonder you find the posts of jref and slc so illuminating.........

they killed those people inside the pentagon on 9/11 to give us something to argue about. do you read what you type before you hit the post button?

[Voskhod3]

From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. [...] Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon, exploding into a giant orange fireball.

Flight 77 was travelling at 530mph - that's 777 feet per second.

The USA library is about 1.6 miles north of the Pentagon - 8,450 feet.

The speed of sound at sea-level is 1,125 ft/s.

That would take 7.5 seconds for any sound from the Pentagon to reach him.

So... what is he saying?

Who is this guy?

[Voskhod3]

Ok, there are about 150 in the list. I started with Lagasse (North of course).

Feel free to find their statements and enter their status.

Abshire, Marc
Anderson, Steve
Anderson, Ted
Anlauf, Deb
Anlauf Jeff
Bauer, Gary
Beans, Michael
Begala, Paul
Bell, Mickey
Benedetto, Richard
Biggert, Judy
Birdwell, Brian
Boger, Sean
Bouchoux, Donald R.
Bowman, John
Braman, Chris
Bright, Mark
Brown, Ervin
Brown, Rich
Burgess, Lisa
Campo
Cissell, James R.
Cleveland, Allen
Cook, Scott P.
Corley
Correa, Victor
Creed, Dan
Damoose
Dave
Day Wayne T.
DeChiaro, Steve
Defina
DiPaula, Michael
Dobbs, Mike
Dougherty, Jill
Dubill, Bob
Eberle, Bobby
Eiden, Steve
Elgas, Penny
Elliott, Bruce
Evey, Walker Lee
Faram, Mark
Flyler, Kim
Ford, Ken
Fortunato, Don
Fowler, Charles
Fraunfelter, Dan
Frost, Stephen S.
Gaines, Kat
Goff, Dr
Goldsmith, Gilah
Hagos, Afework
Harrington, Joe
Haubold, Art
Hemphill, Albert
Henson, Jerry
Holland, Nicholas
Hovis, Tom
Hunt, Bob
Jarvis, Will
Joyce, Tom
Kean, Terrance
Khavkin, D. S.
Kirk, Mark Steven
Kizildrgli, Aydan
Krohn, Charles H.
Lagasse, William - NORTH
Leibner, Lincoln
Marra, David
Martinez, Oscar
McAdams
McClain, Tom
McClellan, Kenneth
McCusker, Elaine
McGraw, Stephen
McNair, Phil
Mencl, Peggy
Middleton, William Sr.
Milburn, Kirk
Mitchell, Terry
Moody, Sheila
Morin, Terry
Mosley, James
Munsey, Christopher
Murphy, Peter M.
Myers, Richard
Narayanan, Vin
O'Brien
O'Keefe, John
Owens, Mary Ann
Patterson, Steve
Perkal, Don
Peterson, Christine
Pfeilstucker, Daniel C. Jr
Plaisted
Probst, Frank
Ragland, Clyde
Rains, Lon
Ramos
Rasmusen, Floyd
Regnery, Alfred S.
Renzi, Rick
Robbins, James S
Roberts, Willis
Rodriguez, Meseidy
Rosati, Arthur
Ryan, James
Sayer, John
Schickler, Rob
Scott, Don
Seibert, Tom
Sepulveda, Noel
Shaeffer, Kevin
Sheuerman, Philip
Sinclair, Wayne
Sinclair, William
Singleton, Jack
Skarlet
Slater, Mike
Smith, Stephanie
Snavel, Dewey
Snyder, Robert
Snyder, Robert
St Clair, Stanley
Stancil, Michael
Stephens, Levi
Sucherman, Joel
Sutherland, Jim
Tamillow, Michael
Terronez, Tony
Theall, David
Thompson, Carla
Thompson, Phillip
Thurman, John
Ticknor, Henry
Timmerman, Donald "Tim"
Turner, Ron
Velasquez, Jose
Wallace, Alan
Wallace, Terry
Walter, Mike
Wheelhouse, Keith
Winslow, Dave
Wright, Don
Wyatt, Ian
Yates, John
Yeingst, William
Yonkers, Terry
Zakhem, Madelyn

[Scootle]

The plane he heard could have been a different plane... maybe it was the doomsday plane...

The point is he saw the plane hit the building and made no mention of a flyover.

[Voskhod3]

The plane he heard could have been a different plane... maybe it was the doomsday plane...

The point is he saw the plane hit the building and made no mention of a flyover.

S...t....r....e....t...c......h.....

This guy is seriously lying!

[Voskhod3]

Update:

Abshire, Marc - NEUTRAL (inside the Pentagon).
Anderson, Steve - NEUTRAL (USA Today man - liar - could not have heard the airplane when he said he did).
Anderson, Ted - NEUTRAL (didn't see a plane)
Anlauf, Deb
Anlauf Jeff
Bauer, Gary
Beans, Michael
Begala, Paul
Bell, Mickey
Benedetto, Richard
Biggert, Judy
Birdwell, Brian
Boger, Sean
Bouchoux, Donald R.
Bowman, John
Braman, Chris
Bright, Mark
Brown, Ervin
Brown, Rich
Burgess, Lisa
Campo
Cissell, James R.
Cleveland, Allen
Cook, Scott P.
Corley
Correa, Victor
Creed, Dan
Damoose
Dave
Day Wayne T.
DeChiaro, Steve
Defina
DiPaula, Michael
Dobbs, Mike
Dougherty, Jill
Dubill, Bob
Eberle, Bobby
Eiden, Steve
Elgas, Penny
Elliott, Bruce
Evey, Walker Lee
Faram, Mark
Flyler, Kim
Ford, Ken
Fortunato, Don
Fowler, Charles
Fraunfelter, Dan
Frost, Stephen S.
Gaines, Kat
Goff, Dr
Goldsmith, Gilah
Hagos, Afework
Harrington, Joe
Haubold, Art
Hemphill, Albert
Henson, Jerry
Holland, Nicholas
Hovis, Tom
Hunt, Bob
Jarvis, Will
Joyce, Tom
Kean, Terrance
Khavkin, D. S.
Kirk, Mark Steven
Kizildrgli, Aydan
Krohn, Charles H.
Lagasse, William - NORTH
Leibner, Lincoln
Marra, David
Martinez, Oscar
McAdams
McClain, Tom
McClellan, Kenneth
McCusker, Elaine
McGraw, Stephen
McNair, Phil
Mencl, Peggy
Middleton, William Sr.
Milburn, Kirk
Mitchell, Terry
Moody, Sheila
Morin, Terry
Mosley, James
Munsey, Christopher
Murphy, Peter M.
Myers, Richard
Narayanan, Vin
O'Brien
O'Keefe, John
Owens, Mary Ann
Patterson, Steve
Perkal, Don
Peterson, Christine
Pfeilstucker, Daniel C. Jr
Plaisted
Probst, Frank
Ragland, Clyde
Rains, Lon
Ramos
Rasmusen, Floyd
Regnery, Alfred S.
Renzi, Rick
Robbins, James S
Roberts, Willis
Rodriguez, Meseidy
Rosati, Arthur
Ryan, James
Sayer, John
Schickler, Rob
Scott, Don
Seibert, Tom
Sepulveda, Noel
Shaeffer, Kevin
Sheuerman, Philip
Sinclair, Wayne
Sinclair, William
Singleton, Jack
Skarlet
Slater, Mike
Smith, Stephanie
Snavel, Dewey
Snyder, Robert
Snyder, Robert
St Clair, Stanley
Stancil, Michael
Stephens, Levi
Sucherman, Joel
Sutherland, Jim
Tamillow, Michael
Terronez, Tony
Theall, David
Thompson, Carla
Thompson, Phillip
Thurman, John
Ticknor, Henry
Timmerman, Donald "Tim"
Turner, Ron
Velasquez, Jose
Wallace, Alan
Wallace, Terry
Walter, Mike
Wheelhouse, Keith
Winslow, Dave
Wright, Don
Wyatt, Ian
Yates, John
Yeingst, William
Yonkers, Terry
Zakhem, Madelyn

[/quote]

[Scootle]

Well then I guess that makes 7 mass murdering operatives.

[Voskhod3]

Well then I guess that makes 7 mass murdering operatives.

He's lying.

Unless the law of physics were broken.

"I heard jet engines pass our building" - nope, not a chance.

"But I thought the airport was closed" - Really, to landing traffic? Who told him that? This was 9.37am.

Who the hell is Steve Anderson?

[Voskhod3]

Update:

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HELP.

Abshire, Marc - NEUTRAL (inside the Pentagon).
Anderson, Steve - NEUTRAL (USA Today man - liar - could not have heard the airplane when he said he did).
Anderson, Ted - NEUTRAL (didn't see a plane)
Anlauf, Deb - NEUTRAL (Saw plane close from 14th Floor of the Sheraton - no point of reference for North/South)
Anlauf Jeff - NEUTRAL (Was in a meeting inside the Sheraton, heard the explosion).
Battle - NEUTRAL (Outside the Pentagon, no point of reference for North/South, "plane was coming down head first").
Bauer, Gary - NEUTRAL (In car outside Pentagon, no point of reference for north/south).
Beans, Michael - NEUTRAL (Inside the Pentagon).
Begala, Paul
Bell, Mickey
Benedetto, Richard
Biggert, Judy
Birdwell, Brian
Boger, Sean
Bouchoux, Donald R.
Bowman, John
Braman, Chris
Bright, Mark
Brown, Ervin
Brown, Rich
Burgess, Lisa
Campo
Cissell, James R.
Cleveland, Allen
Cook, Scott P.
Corley
Correa, Victor
Creed, Dan
Damoose
Dave
Day Wayne T.
DeChiaro, Steve
Defina
DiPaula, Michael
Dobbs, Mike
Dougherty, Jill
Dubill, Bob
Eberle, Bobby
Eiden, Steve
Elgas, Penny
Elliott, Bruce
Evey, Walker Lee
Faram, Mark
Flyler, Kim
Ford, Ken
Fortunato, Don
Fowler, Charles
Fraunfelter, Dan
Frost, Stephen S.
Gaines, Kat
Goff, Dr
Goldsmith, Gilah
Hagos, Afework
Harrington, Joe
Haubold, Art
Hemphill, Albert
Henson, Jerry
Holland, Nicholas
Hovis, Tom
Hunt, Bob
Jarvis, Will
Joyce, Tom
Kean, Terrance
Khavkin, D. S.
Kirk, Mark Steven
Kizildrgli, Aydan
Krohn, Charles H.
Lagasse, William - NORTH
Leibner, Lincoln
Marra, David
Martinez, Oscar
McAdams
McClain, Tom
McClellan, Kenneth
McCusker, Elaine
McGraw, Stephen
McNair, Phil
Mencl, Peggy
Middleton, William Sr.
Milburn, Kirk
Mitchell, Terry
Moody, Sheila
Morin, Terry
Mosley, James
Munsey, Christopher
Murphy, Peter M.
Myers, Richard
Narayanan, Vin
O'Brien
O'Keefe, John
Owens, Mary Ann
Patterson, Steve
Perkal, Don
Peterson, Christine
Pfeilstucker, Daniel C. Jr
Plaisted
Probst, Frank
Ragland, Clyde
Rains, Lon
Ramos
Rasmusen, Floyd
Regnery, Alfred S.
Renzi, Rick
Robbins, James S
Roberts, Willis
Rodriguez, Meseidy
Rosati, Arthur
Ryan, James
Sayer, John
Schickler, Rob
Scott, Don
Seibert, Tom
Sepulveda, Noel
Shaeffer, Kevin
Sheuerman, Philip
Sinclair, Wayne
Sinclair, William
Singleton, Jack
Skarlet
Slater, Mike
Smith, Stephanie
Snavel, Dewey
Snyder, Robert
Snyder, Robert
St Clair, Stanley
Stancil, Michael
Stephens, Levi
Sucherman, Joel
Sutherland, Jim
Tamillow, Michael
Terronez, Tony
Theall, David
Thompson, Carla
Thompson, Phillip
Thurman, John
Ticknor, Henry
Timmerman, Donald "Tim"
Turner, Ron
Velasquez, Jose
Wallace, Alan
Wallace, Terry
Walter, Mike
Wheelhouse, Keith
Winslow, Dave
Wright, Don
Wyatt, Ian
Yates, John
Yeingst, William
Yonkers, Terry
Zakhem, Madelyn

[luckee1]

I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed int.....

Where is the dragging marks. never happened. that is why his whole testimony is flawed this part taints it.

I would discard the testimony of this guy.

[Voskhod3]

Why does the NTSB animation show the plane north of the Navy Annex and missing the light poles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0

Skip to 4.10

[Voskhod3]

Update:

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HELP.

Abshire, Marc - NEUTRAL (inside the Pentagon).
Anderson, Steve - NEUTRAL (USA Today man - liar - could not have heard the airplane when he said he did).
Anderson, Ted - NEUTRAL (didn't see a plane)
Anlauf, Deb - NEUTRAL (Saw plane close from 14th Floor of the Sheraton - no point of reference for North/South)
Anlauf Jeff - NEUTRAL (Was in a meeting inside the Sheraton, heard the explosion).
Battle - NEUTRAL (Outside the Pentagon, no point of reference for North/South, "plane was coming down head first").
Bauer, Gary - NEUTRAL (In car outside Pentagon, no point of reference for north/south).
Beans, Michael - NEUTRAL (Inside the Pentagon).
Begala, Paul - NEUTRAL (no point of reference for North/South)
Bell, Mickey
Benedetto, Richard
Biggert, Judy
Birdwell, Brian
Boger, Sean
Bouchoux, Donald R.
Bowman, John
Braman, Chris
Bright, Mark
Brooks, Chadwick - NORTH (Cop, CIT video)
Brown, Ervin
Brown, Rich
Burgess, Lisa
Campo
Cissell, James R.
Cleveland, Allen
Cook, Scott P.
Corley
Correa, Victor
Creed, Dan
Damoose
Dave
Day Wayne T.
DeChiaro, Steve
Defina
DiPaula, Michael
Dobbs, Mike
Dougherty, Jill
Dubill, Bob
Eberle, Bobby
Eiden, Steve
Elgas, Penny
Elliott, Bruce
Evey, Walker Lee
Faram, Mark
Flyler, Kim
Ford, Ken
Fortunato, Don
Fowler, Charles
Fraunfelter, Dan
Frost, Stephen S.
Gaines, Kat
Goff, Dr
Goldsmith, Gilah
Hagos, Afework
Harrington, Joe
Haubold, Art
Hemphill, Albert
Henson, Jerry
Holland, Nicholas
Hovis, Tom
Hunt, Bob
Jarvis, Will
Joyce, Tom
Kean, Terrance
Khavkin, D. S.
Kirk, Mark Steven
Kizildrgli, Aydan
Krohn, Charles H.
Lagasse, William - NORTH
Leibner, Lincoln
Marra, David
Martinez, Oscar
McAdams
McClain, Tom
McClellan, Kenneth
McCusker, Elaine
McGraw, Stephen
McNair, Phil
Mencl, Peggy
Middleton, William Sr.
Milburn, Kirk
Mitchell, Terry
Moody, Sheila
Morin, Terry
Mosley, James
Munsey, Christopher
Murphy, Peter M.
Myers, Richard
Narayanan, Vin
O'Brien
O'Keefe, John
Owens, Mary Ann
Paik, Edward - NORTH (Mechanic - CIT Video)
Patterson, Steve
Perkal, Don
Peterson, Christine
Pfeilstucker, Daniel C. Jr
Plaisted
Probst, Frank
Ragland, Clyde
Rains, Lon
Ramos
Rasmusen, Floyd
Regnery, Alfred S.
Renzi, Rick
Robbins, James S
Roberts, Willis
Rodriguez, Meseidy
Rosati, Arthur
Ryan, James
Sayer, John
Schickler, Rob
Scott, Don
Seibert, Tom
Sepulveda, Noel
Shaeffer, Kevin
Sheuerman, Philip
Sinclair, Wayne
Sinclair, William
Singleton, Jack
Skarlet
Slater, Mike
Smith, Stephanie
Snavel, Dewey
Snyder, Robert
Snyder, Robert
St Clair, Stanley
Stancil, Michael
Stephens, Levi
Sucherman, Joel
Sutherland, Jim
Tamillow, Michael
Terronez, Tony
Theall, David
Thompson, Carla
Thompson, Phillip
Thurman, John
Ticknor, Henry
Timmerman, Donald "Tim"
Turcious, Robert - NORTH (Citgo employee - CIT Video)
Turner, Ron
Velasquez, Jose
Wallace, Alan
Wallace, Terry
Walter, Mike
Wheelhouse, Keith
Winslow, Dave
Wright, Don
Wyatt, Ian
Yates, John
Yeingst, William
Yonkers, Terry
Zakhem, Madelyn

[Voskhod3]

Why does the NTSB animation show the plane north of the Navy Annex and missing the light poles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0

Skip to 4.10

Ignore this post... NTSB f*cked up the animation... deliberate? Who knows.

The compass says 70 magnetic which is 60 true and is the official flight path.

[Southern Patriot]

and this guy is going what 249 knots?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk

757 flying low, doing some agile maneuvres and flying low FAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wy1ZI0x-Co

Really? Because between that video and the one of the Airbus A-380 doing the low altitude flyover, I could be nauseated all day long. Those passes are at about 220 mph not 500 mph as the official story claims. I repeat: There is no way in hell an aircraft of that size can travel that fast at that altitude! I do not care about ground affect, updraft, or anything else people claim would stop it from happening. The fact of the matter is that Boeing will tell you that their aircraft can NOT achieve that speed unless they are at cruising altitude! 240 mph is the max it will go below 10,000 feet. 1. Because it is an FAA rule and the fly by wire software limits the plane to that speed and 2. It can't compensate for the resistance of the air at that altitude. 360 mph would be the theoretical max of a jet liner at sea level if the software didn't slow it down. It is proven that the aircraft would need to generate six times the amount of thrust at 10,000 feet to achieve the same speed at 30,000 feet.

The A-380 was traveling 240 mph on first pass and 210 on second turning pass at an altitute of about 30 feet. Not hardly 500 mph at 2 feet which is always the argument.......But flight 77 was traveling at 380 mph at 14 feet according to the last reading on the flight data recorder just before impact.

[trailhound]

Where is the dragging marks. never happened. that is why his whole testimony is flawed this part taints it.

I would discard the testimony of this guy.

 Lagasse also describes a 'last second correction' the plane made before impact. Like it was flying the way he said then at the last second somehow changed coarse and hit from the angle the video shows. I thought that was quite odd.

 Im starting to think possibly flight 77 disappeared into smoke and mirrors while something else ,another plane a missle i dunno,' actually hit at the same time 77 went into the 'smoke and mirrors' which fooled the people who could see the 'impact' but not the people on the other side or Maria Cerda who was at a point of view that showed the plane on top of the building.   Remember those at the back of the pentagon are reported to have said a bomb went off and a jet flew by.

[Dig]

Stubblebine is one of the grandfathers of MK ULTRA amongst other shady things and you trust him.

bwaaaahahahaha

I had to find out the hard way about this general of all psyops operations for CENTCOM myself. Watch the documentary: "Men Who Stare At Goats" for more info on how f-d up Gen Stubblebine is.   Anything out of his mouth should be deemed as disinformation until verified by 100 separate sources. The fact that this guy is saying that a plane never hit the Pentagon is reason enough for me to believe that some type of plane definitely did hit the Pentagon. He personally has enough pull to leak every single video of the event but has not. Why do you think the general of all psyops for one of the biggest areas of military intelligence ever will not do this but goes "public" with the statements that he went public with?

[jimd3100]

"Of course I believe the decoy jet was remote controlled."- Ranke

http://911blogger.com/node/13279?page=1

The plane according to Ranke is remote controlled that's what he told me anyway. OK.  

why are you lying?

please tell me your not an operative and follow it up with proof that craig ever said anything remotely close to this that you can spin and turn into "the plane is remote controlled".

you are straight up lying dude.

"Of course I believe the decoy jet was remote controlled."-

Ranke
http://911blogger.com/node/13279?page=1

So who's lying? Uh, that would be you.

So we slam a plane into the north tower we slam a plane into the south tower and we almost slam a plane into the pentagon but we don't. Instead we just want everyone to think we did and fly the plane off to somewhere else, meanwhile on an operation as big as 9/11 naturally we have our top operative cagey old Lloyd the mass murdering cab driver staging his scene and have lower ranking CIA guys planting lightpoles. Why you ask? So we can make a fake flight path just for fun. We'll try and put some more operatives like M Walter and Father McGraw along with Wheelhouse (these guys work for almost nothing....they just like killing people) in order to try and make this fake flight path we created for fun more convincing. We also planted plane parts in the building some from the wrong plane(good cointel help is so hard to find) we almost got away with it to if it weren't for those meddling CIT kids. But our operatives were instructed to give them full access and don't panic, just act like you got nothing to hide, but gosh it sure backfired. They could tell they were all operatives and lying through their teeth.

Or maybe a plane flew into the  building just like everyone said.


I will give you CIT guys credit for proving it was a passenger jet that crashed into the pentagon, I've been saying that for awhile now(as you know I support the government version of events-That's what you would say- ....you know... 9/11 happened on 9/11- it was a Tuesday-Planes flew into buildings) that kind of stuff..... But CIT did prove indeed it was a large plane that hit-thanks guys!

[luckee1]

http://911blogger.com/node/13279?page=1
 Ranke
http://911blogger.com/node/13279?page=1

So we slam a plane into the north tower we slam a plane into the south tower and we almost slam a plane into the pentagon but we don't. Instead we just want everyone to think we did and fly the plane off to somewhere else, meanwhile on an operation as big as 9/11 naturally we have our top operative cagey old Lloyd the mass murdering cab driver staging his scene and have lower ranking CIA guys planting lightpoles. Why you ask? So we can make a fake flight path just for fun. We'll try and put some more operatives like M Walter and Father McGraw along with Wheelhouse (these guys work for almost nothing....they just like killing people) in order to try and make this fake flight path we created for fun more convincing. We also planted plane parts in the building some from the wrong plane(good cointel help is so hard to find) we almost got away with it to if it weren't for those meddling CIT kids. But our operatives were instructed to give them full access and don't panic, just act like you got nothing to hide, but gosh it sure backfired. They could tell they were all operatives and lying through their teeth.

Or maybe a plane flew into the  building just like everyone said.


I will give you CIT guys credit for proving it was a passenger jet that crashed into the pentagon, I've been saying that for awhile now(as you know I support the government version of events-That's what you would say- ....you know... 9/11 happened on 9/11- it was a Tuesday-Planes flew into buildings) that kind of stuff..... But CIT did prove indeed it was a large plane that hit-thanks guys!

Has anyone considered that maybe the plane that was supposed to go into the pentagon missed?  All this diatribe about evidence and testimony is obscuring what really happened.

[jimd3100]

he is 100% accurate in who he claims to be.

Naturally a 3 letter agency such as CIT would agree with the army's top spook who gets money implementing homeland security

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1613/is_7-8_12/ai_n9091297/

"Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, CHS-III and member of the Executive Advisory Board for the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1613/is_11-12_12/ai_n6631977/

How surprising  

On 9/11 planes flew into buildings, if you want to be taken seriously at the minimum you ought to be able to admit this. Denying planes flew into buildings destroys the credibility of the truth movement, advanced researchers such as Hoffman and others already know this.
See...
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/index.html

Some of you will admit to planes flying into the WTC but not the pentagon. There is no logical reason for denying a plane also flew into that building. The evidence recovered and the witnesses prove it. Denying planes flew into buildings hurts the credibility of the movement---wise up.

[jimd3100]

Has anyone considered that maybe the plane that was supposed to go into the pentagon missed?  All this diatribe about evidence and testimony is obscuring what really happened.

Except everyone who was there said it hit and the rescue workers recovered the parts and bodies.

Hani couldn't fly worth sh*t...maybe that should be put forth instead of insane theories lacking any logic and going after innocent civilians who prove attention seekers silly theories false while ignoring real NWO perps.

official flight path...


official FBI document...
"Hanjour was a terrible pilot. Hanjour had difficulty understanding air traffic control, the methods for determining fuel management and had poor navigational skills..... the only flyinq skill Hanjour could perform was flylng the plane straight.... he did not believe Hanjour's poor flying skills were due to a language barrier." page 6/22
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2004-01-04-FBI-summary-Lofti-Raissi.pdf

[luckee1]

Don't misunderstand me.  But if all the evidence is in.  Why are we wasting all this bandwidth with this discourse.  Lock the bugger up.  If there is nothing left to prove that is.  No ones' argument is changing my mind and I have not learned anything new but the vitriol that comes about on this topic.

[trailhound]

jimd3001 wrote

Some of you will admit to planes flying into the WTC but not the pentagon. There is no logical reason for denying a plane also flew into that building. The evidence recovered and the witnesses prove it. Denying planes flew into buildings hurts the credibility of the movement---wise up.

 Yes there are several logical reasons to suspect flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.  The first one is Officer Roosevelt Roberts who saw the plane fly away just above the light poles. The second one is Maria Cerda who saw it on top of the building. The third reason is the impossible flight path.  By the way CIT made the full unedited interviews available for those who suspected they were being disingenuous so you can stop saying they misrepresented the witnesses. They do not try to hide the fact that the witnesses believe the plane hit the building. One witness account describes seeing the plane hit from 100 yards away but the witness was confused about what he saw saying it 'didnt make sense.'  Also Mr Dihl said people in the area on the other side of the pentagon reported hearing an explosion and saw a plane fly by.

Also it makes sense if the attack was aimed at the accounting offices

One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck.

http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-01/12-20-01/a02wn018.htm

 that perhaps the attackers had some very specific targets.  Maybe a Boeing 757 wasnt going to cut the mustard.   Dont you think that we would have been informed by now if they figured out what happened to the 3 trillion
dollars?

  I cant honestly say im convinced that 77 hit the pentagon.  I wish i could.

 unless the pentagon cop Roosevelt, Maria Cerda, and Erik Dihl are operatives. If that is the case wtf could there agenda possibly be?  That feels just as retarded as the thought of a fake flyover to cover for a military attack, dare i say coup?  Why would they lie? Do you think Roosevelt was shitting his pants watching a low flying 757 fly over his parking lot after hearing a huge explosion 7 seconds earlier or do you think he was thinking hehe im going to really mind f**k all those crazy twoofers with a story that isnt true.  

Aldo Marquis: Hello, Roosevelt?

Roosevelt Roberts: Yeah. Yeah.

Aldo: Hi. Than- thanks for taking my call. Um-

Roosevelt: Okay.

Aldo: -Yeah- yeah, just- uh, uh, we- b- had been listening to the uh. . . the uh recordings that. . . I guess Jennifer Brennan, which is the daughter of one of the other police officers there. . . uh, what-

Roosevelt: Right.

Aldo: -he- what he had. . . uh, what. . . I guess she had done with you guys. . . Um. . . if I can really quick. . . just, uh- if you can just tell me your story.

Roosevelt: Oh! Ho- hold on one second, uh, you caught me driving. Um. . .

*00:33

Aldo: Okay. Well you know what, let me- let me just ask you a couple of quick questions. There's- there- there is mainly a- a couple specific things. When you- you had mentioned, uh. . . right as you hung up the phone. . . you- you ran outside- what which parking lot- which dock were you at?

Roosevelt: I was in south parking, and I was at the east loading dock when I ran outside and saw the low-flying aircraft above the parking lot.

Aldo: Okay. . . Was it a- was it a- a jet or was it a- do you remember what kind of plane it was?

*01:02

Roosevelt: Uh, it looked like to me at that time, uh, uh, uh, large, uh, aircraft-liner.

Aldo: Like a-

Roosevelt: It wasn't a- it wasn't a jet; it was a commercial aircraft.

Aldo: Okay. Did it have propellers, or did it have jet engines?

Roosevelt: It looked like jet engines, at that time.

Aldo: Jet engines. Okay. Um, uh- so- uh- y- how close were you to running outside 'cause this seemed to be pretty qui-eh- at least from what your account sounded like; it sounded like literally the explosion happened, and then you ran outside.

*01:33

Aldo: I mean do you remember how many seconds it was when you heard the explosion and then saw that plane?

Roosevelt: From the time the explosion hit, 'til. . . I ran outside and saw- it's a loading dock, and you can run right out to the. . . look-out, and look off.

Aldo: Uh-hum.

Roosevelt: And then uh. . . you see the flickering lights. . . uh, and saw the area, and then. . . uh, real quick I realized that it was some sort of attack, and there was going to be a counter-measure with it.

*02:02

Aldo: Right. So, how many seconds-

Roosevelt: Uh. . .

Aldo: -would you guess?

Roosevelt: Maybe, uh. . . ten seconds tops.

Aldo: Ten seconds tops?

Roosevelt: Ten seconds tops.

Aldo: So you- you heard the explosion and ten seconds later you were outside and you were able to see that plane?

Roosevelt: Correct. You could see that plane just as clear as day. Couldn't miss it.

Aldo: Wha- what color was it; do you remember?

Roosevelt: Uh, it was- to me at that time, it looked like it was silver in color.

*02:30

Aldo: Like silver in color; but you saw it over the south parking lot.

Roosevelt: Right; around the lane one area, and it was like banking just above the, uh, light poles like.

Aldo: Okay. And ho-

Roosevelt: Had to been no more than- had to been no more than fifty feet or less than a hundred feet.

Aldo: Wow. And s- ho- do you remember how many engines you saw on it?

Roosevelt: Uh, couldn't tell for the engines.

Aldo: And it was- was it moving fast?

*02:59

Roosevelt: Oh, it was moving extremely fast. It was like, uh. . . maybe you saw the aircraft maybe for like, uh-a quick five seconds.

Aldo: For a quick five seconds. But you definitely- and you saw it over the south parking lot. . . over lane one?

Roosevelt: In the south- in the south parking lot over lane one.

Aldo: Okay. Do you- do you remember which direction it was headed?

Roosevelt: Uh, coming from the, uh 27 side 27 heading, uh. . . uh, east towards DC; coming from that area, uh, there's a highway.

*03:33

Roosevelt: If you were to come up 395. . . uh, north heading towards the Pentagon, and you got off in south parking. . . you were like right there, 'cause 395 went right into 27.

Aldo: So from where- from where it had headed away from the Pentagon, which direction was it heading?

Roosevelt: From the w- uh, can you repeat that one more time, please?

Aldo: Yeah, when it was heading away from the Pentagon, this- this second plane,-?

Roosevelt: Right.

Aldo: -wh- do you remember which-

Roosevelt: Right.

Aldo: -which direction it was heading?

*04:01

Roosevelt: It was, uh. . . it was heading, um. . . back across 27. . . and it looks like. . . it appeared to me- I was in the south, and that plane was heading. . . like, um. . . southwest. . . coming out.

Aldo: So like banking around; turning back around?

Roosevelt: Correct.

Aldo: Okay.

Roosevelt: Banking- banking around, coming back out, turning southwest. . . and going straight across.

*04:32

Aldo: Okay, so-

Roosevelt: And that was-

Aldo: -did it look like it went out over the river, and- and kind of turned around?

Roosevelt: Um, it looked like it went over on the mall entrance side and turned around; because you've got. . . the mall there, and then- where I was, was south; and the plane,. . . from the direction it was sitting, was facing west; so it went. . . southwest away from the Pentagon.

Aldo: Sou- southwest away from the Pentagon, okay; so kind of doing a U-turn, in a way?

*05:01

Roosevelt: Right.

Aldo: Okay. Okay.

Roosevelt: 'Cause it banked out, and it was like U-turning and coming around and coming out. It looked like, uh. . . for those brief seconds it looked like it- it- it, um. . . uh, how do I want to say this, uh. . . it missed the wrong target, and it was going, like. . . out of the way, like back to the airport, or something like that.

Aldo: Oh, like- so it was headed towards the airport, it looked like.

*05:27

Roosevelt: Well, no, not heading towards the airport; it's almost like if a. . . if a pilot misses good he'll try to do a banking and come around, because he missed the target: he missed the landing zone.

Aldo: Got it. Got it. And you're, you're- are you a hundred percent sure it was a jet: an actual jet plane?

Roosevelt: Commercial aircraft.

Aldo: Commercial aircraft. Okay. So there was another-

Roosevelt: Right.

Aldo: -so there was another commercial aircraft in the area as- as the, uh. . . the plane hit then, basically. Is that what you think?

Roosevelt: Yes, sir, that's not what I think: I saw it. It was two aircraft. That's for sure.

*06:00

Aldo: Okay.

Craig Ranke: Now where- where did it seem like it came from?

Roosevelt: It seemed like, uh- when I saw it, by the time I got to the dock, it was already in the parking lot at lane one. And it was so large, you couldn't miss from seeing it.

Craig: Right, but from what-

Roosevelt: And that-

Craig: -direction did it seem like it came from?

Aldo: He said it came f-

Roosevelt: It seemed like. . . that it came from, um. . . it- hold on a second.

*06:25

Roosevelt: It seemed like it came from, um. . . southwest-lookin- the same way it came in, or appeared that it came in, it seemed like it was southwe- (indistinguishable) came in. . . uh. . . almost like where that ne- that first plane had, um. . . flew into the, um, Pentagon right there. It- it- di- it looked like it came from that direction.

Craig: So from the same direction as- as- as the f-

Aldo: -From the impact side, basically, from that direction.

Roosevelt: Everything- right.

Aldo: Got-

Roosevelt: Exactly.

Aldo: -got it.

*06:56

Craig: Okay.

Aldo: A- okay. So- an- an- but- would- now how long would- I mean would you be sure that it was about ten seconds that it would take you to run from the phone to the outside, or would you think it was less than ten se- ten seconds?

Craig: Or a little bit more?

Roosevelt: It would've t- it would've taken about ten seconds, because after impact I stepped out the little, uh, booth that I was in. And the distance between. . . that booth and the edge of that dock is about, maybe, I don't know like. . . seven steps away from there.

Aldo: Wow.

Roosevelt: So, they're extre- extremely close.

Aldo: Got it. Got it.

Craig: You were right there.

Aldo: You were right there. Okay.

*07:30

Aldo: Woul- um-

Roosevelt: Yeah.

Aldo: -would it- w- I'll let you get going there, um, would it be possible to get a- an email from you so we could s- even get, um, like you to draw on a map exactly where you saw everything, where you were standing, 'cause. . . I'm trying to gage everything, and it's kind of hard without seeing it on a overhead. Would that be possible?

Roosevelt: Oh, sh-. Yeah, that's not a problem, um. . .

Aldo: Oh-

Roosevelt: My email address:

Aldo: Yeah. Or- yeah, go ah-

Roosevelt: .mil

Aldo: .mil. Okay.

*07:59

Roosevelt: And now I've, uh, switched from, uh, being (inaudible) service to, uh, special- to a-uh special aid, and I work for the Anti-Terrorism Force/Protection Directorate now.

Aldo: Okay. Alright, excellent. Wou- um, would- y- we definitely would love to- what- when's an- another good time to get in touch with you where we could speak more at length with you?

Roosevelt: Um, I'm going to be back in the office. . . uh, no later than two o'clock.

Aldo: Okay. We'll, uh, we'll try to give you a buzz back later then, and- thi- I'm assuming this is your cell phone, or it transfers to your cell phone?

*08:32

Roosevelt: Uh, yes, sir; it's my cell phone.

Aldo: Okay, great. Um, you'll definitely be hearing back from me a- and uh- I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us, Roosevelt.

Roosevelt: Hey, no problem; any time.

Aldo: Alright, buddy, we'll te- talk to you soon.

Roosevelt: Okay, stay-

Aldo: Y-

Roosevelt: -safe.

Aldo: You too, man, bu-bye.

Roosevelt: Out.


  If this man is not an operative he is a HERO WITH BALLS THE SIZE OF RON PAUL FOR BEING HONEST TO THIS DAY ABOUT WHAT HE SAW. and you wont even say his f**king name.

 Well now you might but had the thought crossed your mind that Roosevelt Roberts is an honest f**king servant of the Unites States of Patriot America that you disgrace by not recognizing his account?  I mean seriously WTF would he have to gain by making that shit up

[jimd3100]

Do you think Roosevelt was shitting his pants watching a low flying 757 fly over his parking lot after hearing a huge explosion 7 seconds earlier or do you think he was thinking hehe im going to really mind f**k all those crazy twoofers with a story that isnt true.  

Yea, he saw the e-4B doomsday plane. The only other plane in the area right where he said he saw it. He didn't see a 757.


"(Shortly Before 9:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Airborne Command Post Launched from Near Washington  An E-4B National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC) takes off from an unspecified airfield outside of Washington, DC. The aircraft, which is carrying civilian and military officials, is launched in order to participate in a pre-scheduled military exercise. This would be Global Guardian, which is being conducted on this day by the US Strategic Command (Stratcom) to test its ability to fight a nuclear war"
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=e_4b_national_airborne_operations_center_1

"fly-over of the White House by a US Air Force command and control plane (official designation: E-4B) at about the time of the Pentagon strike, or shortly after."
http://the911mysteryplane.com/

You can see it yourself here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFNY8r_lrIs

"But six years later, the Pentagon, the Secret Service and the FAA all say they, at least for public consumption, have no explanation of the giant plane over the president's house just as the smoke began to rise across the river at the Pentagon"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0709/12/acd.01.html

Washington DC  - Arlington VA- distance
Total Estimated Time: 6 minutes
Total Estimated Distance: 3.08 miles
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Washington&1s=DC&1y=US&1l=38.892143&1g=-77.036156&1v=CITY&2c=Arlington&2s=VA&2y=US&2l=38.890282&2g=-77.084442&2v=CITY

Well now you might but had the thought crossed your mind that Roosevelt Roberts is an honest f**king servant of the Unites States of Patriot America that you disgrace by not recognizing his account?  I mean seriously WTF would he have to gain by making that shit up

You're starting to sound a little silly. For about the 10th time, no one is calling the witnesses liers. Except for CIT who do in fact call Wheelhouse and McGraw and Lloyd and Walter lying "operatives." Are you able to understand this?

Roosevelt Roberts interview from 2001. He doesn't think that plane flew over the pentagon. And he has the time at 9:12 AM, as usual no witness is perfect but another good one.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/afc911bib:@filreq(@field(TITLE+@od1(Interview+with+Roosevelt+Roberts+Jr+,+Waldorf,+Maryland,+November+30,+2001))+@field(RESOURCETYPE+@od1(sound_recording)))

Use some logic here. Creating a fake flight path using "operatives" like Lloyd Wheelhouse McGraw and Walter and planting lightpoles makes no sense, not to mention flying a remote controlled jet over the pentagon instead of into it like ALL THE WITNESSES SAID HAPPENED. You are wasting your time with this.

[trailhound]

 jimd3100 wrote

Use some logic here. Creating a fake flight path using "operatives" like Lloyd Wheelhouse McGraw and Walter and planting lightpoles makes no sense, not to mention flying a remote controlled jet over the pentagon instead of into it like ALL THE WITNESSES SAID HAPPENED. You are wasting your time with this.

  I didnt know you were entertaining two planes over the pentagon within 10 seconds of the strike. That i might be able to swallow although Roosevelt did say

Roosevelt: Uh, it was- to me at that time, it looked like it was silver in color.

 But maybe in the sun a white plane looked silver  

 So what we have now is this military plane flies over the pentagon a few seconds after the explosion? Wonder why it would be flying just above the lamposts sounds awful fishy.  

Use some logic here. Creating a fake flight path using "operatives" like Lloyd Wheelhouse McGraw and Walter and planting lightpoles makes no sense, not to mention flying a remote controlled jet over the pentagon instead of into it like ALL THE WITNESSES SAID HAPPENED. You are wasting your time with this.

 Yes you are right that is a mind f**k i have been considering as well.  I dont have the answer, i could speculate but why waste my time. 

 I witnessed David Copperfield make the statue of liberty disappear and on the history channel recently they demonstrated a disappearing tank.  

 Thanks for being cool headed Jim.

[jimd3100]

jimd3100 wrote
  I didnt know you were entertaining two planes over the pentagon within 10 seconds of the strike. That i might be able to swallow although Roosevelt did say

Roosevelt: Uh, it was- to me at that time, it looked like it was silver in color.

 But maybe in the sun a white plane looked silver  

 So what we have now is this military plane flies over the pentagon a few seconds after the explosion? Wonder why it would be flying just above the lamposts sounds awful fishy.  

 
 I witnessed David Copperfield make the statue of liberty disappear and on the history channel recently they demonstrated a disappearing tank.  

 Thanks for being cool headed Jim.

The plane had just taken off, so it would be low, and is a modified 747 so to think it was commercial would be understandable....more on the plane that WAS in the area(not flying over the pentagon though and no one claims it did)....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtV7hbqZGTk


Roosevelt Roberts interview from 2001. He doesn't think that plane flew over the pentagon. And he has the time at 9:12 AM, as usual no witness is perfect but another good one.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/afc911bib:@filreq(@field(TITLE+@od1(Interview+with+Roosevelt+Roberts+Jr+,+Waldorf,+Maryland,+November+30,+2001))+@field(RESOURCETYPE+@od1(sound_recording)))

[trailhound]

jimd3100

The plane had just taken off, so it would be low, and is a modified 747 so to think it was commercial would be understandable....more on the plane that WAS in the area(not flying over the pentagon though and no one claims it did)....

 Maria Cerda from arlington cemetary says she watched the plane approach and fly over the building then there was an explosion. She thought it hit the other side of the pentagon from the top side.

 No mention of it in the 9/11 report, not surprising. The doomsday plane that is.

I havent read any witness accounts that describe two planes at the same time have you?

[jimd3100]

jimd3100
 Maria Cerda from arlington cemetary says she watched the plane approach and fly over the building then there was an explosion. She thought it hit the other side of the pentagon from the top side.

She never saw a plane fly over the building and never claimed to have seen a flyover.

Her interview from 2002...
"And we're facing the site that was struck.  And that's what was also weird, is that it seemed like it struck on the other side whereas I found out later, I saw it so that whatever plane that disappeared, it was it happened so quickly."
http://www.thepentacon.com/neit567

That got his attention, desperately looking for a flyover witness....
You do realize that these interviews are cherry picked don't you? That this is the very best they can come up with? No, no one saw a flyover. And BTW, lots would!

Last Year Ranke published this about his interview with her ...
posted on 5-8-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
"Admittedly Maria is one of the weaker witnesses in support of the north side evidence because she could not see the gas station at the time of the attack and because of her hazy memory in regards to the plane in general."

"She confirmed this to us in our interview but at this point her memory turned it into the fact that she initially thought the impact was "on top".
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread378783/pg1

An Impact is not a flyover. But don't worry...Ranke will explain for us what REALLY happened...

"She ended up reconciling this in her mind by the fact that this is "where the fireball was" so this is what likely caught her eye.

"Her account is a prime example of how people who were initially confused about what they saw were able to simply reconcile the discrepancies in their mind in order to accept what they were told happened."

"That is the power of illusion/deception in contrast to the vulnerability of the human mind."
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread378783/pg1


Why you put up with this BS is a mystery to me. You've already got on my ass about calling the witnesses liars when I have have repeatedly said I think they are all honest and yet you don't seem to have a problem with CIT labeling witnesses who blow away their illogical theory as mass murdering liars.

From their pathetic website...

"This means that Lloyde England has now been shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have been directly involved with this black operation of mass murder.  The importance of this information is critical to uncovering the crimes of 9/11.  Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude but he is most definitely a direct link to the perpetrators.  It's imperative that we focus serious attention on Lloyde and the light poles when exposing the details of how this crime was carried out.
http://www.thepentacon.com/Topic2.htm

Isn't that nice? Good project for the truth movement isn't it? And I've been wasting time trying to expose what a traitor Bush is, when this dangerous mass murdering cabbie is on the loose.

Calling honest people who talked to them "accomplices" because they don't like what they say. Nice huh?
http://www.thepentacon.com/LloydEngland_AccompliceVideo.htm#FirstKnownAccomplice

And yet you don't seem to mind, but have a problem with me not acknowledging the witnesses when that's all I've done. This isn't about the truth. It's about them making a name for themselves and they will smear whoever they need to in order to do it. That includes me, you, 9/11 blogger, AJ, and any other forum or WITNESS that doesn't "go along".  It's nothing new. They've been doing it since 2006.

No mention of it in the 9/11 report, not surprising. The doomsday plane that is.

Yea, I'd like to know who was in that plane and what they were really doing.

I haven't read any witness accounts that describe two planes at the same time have you?

They wont say anything about the doomsday plane.

[trailhound]

I have said for the record earlier in this thread that i do not vouch for cit's credibility and had not seen any of their work prior to the latest version of the 'National security Alert'.   Im not a pilot so im not sure what to make of pilots for 9/11 truth and the flight path thing, but especially at a supposed speed 500knots the flight path is up in the air for me. Its interesting, am i going to spend all month on it hell no.  

 Also I am not ruling out that a jet ,possibly flight 77 hit the pentagon.

[DVD]

The plane he heard could have been a different plane... maybe it was the doomsday plane...

yeah maybe, huh? i see maybe being used a lot by those who call cit disinformation lately......

The point is he saw the plane hit the building and made no mention of a flyover.

thats the point yay!!!! victory for scootle.

the only people who would lie would be 911 truthers who go to the location find witnesses and document their accounts on film at the spot they witnessed it and include them drawing flight paths down on overhead maps. oh yeah and dick chaney.

but whatever the cia today and washington post and faux news and the communist news network told you about people seeing a plane hit the pentagon is true. someone wrote down that someone told them this and the editors and producers all approved of it so we can put these 14 eyewitnesses thing behind and move onto unwitnessed missiles, unprovable remote control scenarios, theories about planes exploding before they hit the building, and an imaginary 2 planes scenario where one is north and one is south of the gas stations? right scootle?

[DVD]

Well then I guess that makes 7 mass murdering operatives.

no scootle, only dick chaney and some pnac guys are involved. they planted the thermite in the wtc and the secondary devices that the media reported in the pentagon all by themselves.

[DVD]

The A-380 was traveling 240 mph on first pass and 210 on second turning pass at an altitute of about 30 feet. Not hardly 500 mph at 2 feet which is always the argument.......But flight 77 was traveling at 380 mph at 14 feet according to the last reading on the flight data recorder just before impact.

oh well now i know why the person who was asked never responded.......

[DVD]

http://911blogger.com/node/13279?page=1
 Ranke
http://911blogger.com/node/13279?page=1

So who's lying? Uh, that would be you.

Of course I believe the decoy jet was remote controlled.

But that doesn't change the fact that it is impossible to prove or that merely stating that you don't believe Hani Hanjour could have piloted the craft is evidence. It's nothing but an argument from incredulity and it has gotten the movement nowhere.

why would you cut the quote before the "but" part?

so i was wrong. craig once told you he believed the plane was remote controlled but as soon as he did he said that his belief doesn't change the fact that it is impossible to prove and that it is an argument from incredulity and it has gotten the movement nowhere.

you cherry pick and quote mine so you can take things out of their original context of discussion and use them to support whatever you want to imply.

and again in the same link craig states :

You can never prove remote control.
It's impossible.

That will remain speculation forever and can never be hard evidence.

We most certainly can prove where the plane really flew because witness testimony is valid evidence and when enough witnesses corroborate each other about where the plane flew without being directly refuted it becomes proof.

That is what we have in regards to the north side claim and now we can prove the flight path going all the way back to the east side of the river in DC. We can't say it loud enough but it's all about the FLIGHT PATH. This is the line of inquiry that they have wanted us to ignore and have tried to distract us from with slowly leaked grainy ambiguous videos depicting a perfectly level missile like object and clearly fake smoke plume. CIT has relentlessly pursued and documented evidence for the true flight path and it proves a deception. The notion that anyone in the movement would dismiss this hard evidence simply because it goes against their pet remote control impact conspiracy theory is sheer lunacy.

personally i don't believe the plane that flew over the pentagon was remote controlled.

So we slam a plane into the north tower we slam a plane into the south tower and we almost slam a plane into the pentagon but we don't.

how about shanksville? did they slam a plane into the ground in shanksville?

Instead we just want everyone to think we did and fly the plane off to somewhere else, meanwhile on an operation as big as 9/11 naturally we have our top operative cagey old Lloyd the mass murdering cab driver staging his scene and have lower ranking CIA guys planting lightpoles.

lloyde england isn't shit. lloyde england could be an mk ultra victim for all we know. he attended "conspriacy classes" before the 911 attacks in dc and had a david icke book on the front seat of his cab. he was helped by a "silent stranger" to remove the pole from his cab and then the "silent stranger" hurried up and left and never stayed for any type of official report. when russell pickering asked lloyde england on camera to demonstrate how he and this "silent stranger" removed the pole from his cab lloyde became silent and replied "i can't" because the memory is a false memory. i know you saw the same video you seem to be a huge fan of russell pickering which explains your venomous attacks and hatred for cit's work. you've proven to me that you've been a cit attacker for over 18 months now.

you spend a year and a half attacking the work of 911 truthers while telling other people there is a cover up. you speak out of both sides of your mouth.

sane saw cit's work and realized how amazing it was and then you intervened and explained to him that cit is "disingo".


 

Why you ask? So we can make a fake flight path just for fun.

no einstein, so when people don't see tail sections and huge engines and landing gears and airplane seats and luggage they won't question it because look the plane came that way it even tore light poles out of the ground.

you only have one train of thought in your head and that is "how can i cast doubt or discredit this evidence". that is it.

 

We'll try and put some more operatives like M Walter and Father McGraw along with Wheelhouse (these guys work for almost nothing....they just like killing people) in order to try and make this fake flight path we created for fun more convincing.

mike walter works for cia today. do you trust the corporate media whores? are you telling us that usa today isn't compromised?

father mcgraw was a former doj attorney. father mcgraw said that he didn't see the plane hit any light poles and deduced it after the event.

 

We also planted plane parts in the building some from the wrong plane(good cointel help is so hard to find) we almost got away with it to if it weren't for those meddling CIT kids.

wrong plane? wtf are you talking about?

you're like troy you just make things up as you go along that are beyond stupid and then try to attribute your claims to real 911 truthers. you're a sad little angry man jimd.


 

But our operatives were instructed to give them full access and don't panic, just act like you got nothing to hide, but gosh it sure backfired. They could tell they were all operatives and lying through their teeth.

nothing you says discredits these eyewitnesses in the video and their accounts.

just reminding you.

Or maybe a plane flew into the  building just like everyone said.

yeah, maybe.

but it didn't. because the plane flew over the navy annex to the north side of the citgo and approached between arlington cemetary and the citgo station proving it never hit light poles [which is why no one witnessed this nor witnessed lloyde's cab being impaled] and flew over the building [like officer roberts reports].

I will give you CIT guys credit for proving it was a passenger jet that crashed into the pentagon, I've been saying that for awhile now

whats your jref name?

(as you know I support the government version of events

you don't?

how many tons of aircraft were removed from the pentagon?

were there secondary explosions in the building?

how did april gallop escape the impacting 757?

how did she walk with her baby barefoot through the building and escape out the impact hole?

what created the c-ring exit hole?

-That's what you would say- ....you know... 9/11 happened on 9/11- it was a Tuesday-Planes flew into buildings) that kind of stuff..... But CIT did prove indeed it was a large plane that hit-thanks guys!

when i read your posts i feel like i'm arguing with jthomas at ats or that little zionist parky76 from jref. you actually lower the overall iq of this entire board with everything you say.

[DVD]

Naturally a 3 letter agency such as CIT would agree with the army's top spook who gets money implementing homeland security

who the f**k is agreeing with him? i said he is who he says he is.

he believes that a plane didn't hit and i believe a plane didn't hit so we must agree about everything and i have to support everything he says? omg you stretch far in attempt to find anyway to discredit someone to hopefully keep people from looking at the real evidence.

your mouth is like a sewer of lies, misrepresentations, & genuine disinformation.......

[DVD]

Yea, he saw the e-4B doomsday plane. The only other plane in the area right where he said he saw it. He didn't see a 757.

really?

you have proof the doomsday plane was just over the light poles in the south parking lot of the pentagon seconds after the explosion?

if so does this mean that since no one else saw 2 planes simultaneously approaching the pentagon that flight 77 never existed and it was the doomsday plane that flew the north of citgo flight path over the pentagon coinciding with the preplanted explosives detonating?

Roosevelt Roberts interview from 2001. He doesn't think that plane flew over the pentagon. And he has the time at 9:12 AM, as usual no witness is perfect but another good one.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/afc911bib:@filreq(@field(TITLE+@od1(Interview+with+Roosevelt+Roberts+Jr+,+Waldorf,+Maryland,+November+30,+2001))+@field(RESOURCETYPE+@od1(sound_recording)))

he doesn't think the plane he didn't see approach but witnessed flying away from the building after the explosion didn't fly over the building even though he states "it was coming from the direction where the first one crashed" because he was told that plane struck the pentagon and had witnessed on the news that planes were striking the wtc towers.

the fact that you want to somehow attribute his estimated time as proof he did not witness the silver jet engine commercial airliner over the south parking lot coming from the direction where the first one crashed good luck but i don't think anyone hears and explosion and immediately looks at their watch before trying to see what just happened.

Use some logic here.

please? i think everyone here is begging you to use some.

 

Creating a fake flight path using "operatives" like Lloyd Wheelhouse McGraw and Walter and planting lightpoles makes no sense, not to mention flying a remote controlled jet over the pentagon instead of into it like ALL THE WITNESSES SAID HAPPENED. You are wasting your time with this.

there is no proof that any plane on 9/11 was remote controlled so please drop attributing this nonsense to cit's research.

nothing in the witness accounts proves or disproves remote control. there is no evidence of remote control. you are a conspiracy theorist and it is because of people like you that real researchers get that negative label slapped onto them.

[DVD]

She never saw a plane fly over the building and never claimed to have seen a flyover.

Her interview from 2002...
"And we're facing the site that was struck.  And that's what was also weird, is that it seemed like it struck on the other side whereas I found out later, I saw it so that whatever plane that disappeared, it was it happened so quickly."
http://www.thepentacon.com/neit567

That got his attention, desperately looking for a flyover witness....
You do realize that these interviews are cherry picked don't you? That this is the very best they can come up with? No, no one saw a flyover. And BTW, lots would!

yeah her account seems to indicate she witnessed it past the impact point and then the huge explosion occurred.

why don't you show for the rest of the world your evidence that cit "cherry picked" any interview.

do you think the people who planned 9/11 wouldn't have low level people in position in the media or to go to the media and tell the world what they want them to believe?

Last Year Ranke published this about his interview with her ...
posted on 5-8-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Craig Ranke CIT
"Admittedly Maria is one of the weaker witnesses in support of the north side evidence because she could not see the gas station at the time of the attack and because of her hazy memory in regards to the plane in general."

"She confirmed this to us in our interview but at this point her memory turned it into the fact that she initially thought the impact was "on top".
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread378783/pg1

An Impact is not a flyover. But don't worry...Ranke will explain for us what REALLY happened...

"She ended up reconciling this in her mind by the fact that this is "where the fireball was" so this is what likely caught her eye.

"Her account is a prime example of how people who were initially confused about what they saw were able to simply reconcile the discrepancies in their mind in order to accept what they were told happened."

"That is the power of illusion/deception in contrast to the vulnerability of the human mind."
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread378783/pg1

craig's explanation comes from using logic. something you suggest others do but don't apply yourself.

Why you put up with this BS is a mystery to me. You've already got on my ass about calling the witnesses lyers when I have have repeatedly said I think they are all honest and yet you don't seem to have a problem with CIT labeling witnesses who blow away their illogical theory as mass murdering lyers.

listen the people who planned 9/11 would never have anyone in place in the media or with the media to tell the american people lies. right jimd?

From their pathetic website...

"This means that Lloyde England has now been shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have been directly involved with this black operation of mass murder.  The importance of this information is critical to uncovering the crimes of 9/11.  Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude but he is most definitely a direct link to the perpetrators.  It's imperative that we focus serious attention on Lloyde and the light poles when exposing the details of how this crime was carried out.
http://www.thepentacon.com/Topic2.htm

Isn't that nice? Good project for the truth movement isn't it? And I've been wasting time trying to expose what a traitor Bush is, when this dangerous mass murdering cabbie is on the loose.

Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude
Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude
Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude
Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude
Lloyde is not to blame for an operation of this size and magnitude

Calling honest people who talked to them "accomplices" because they don't like what they say. Nice huh?
http://www.thepentacon.com/LloydEngland_AccompliceVideo.htm#FirstKnownAccomplice

no because they're proven to be telling a lie by multiple other eyewitnesses.

And yet you don't seem to mind, but have a problem with me not acknowledging the witnesses when that's all I've done.

yet you don't seem to mind that there are over a dozen other eyewitnesses proving his account is fabricated and that there is not one single eyewitness on this planet who witnessed what he and you claim to have taken place.

 

This isn't about the truth.

not with you its not.

 

It's about them making a name for themselves and they will smear whoever they need to in order to do it. That includes me, you, 9/11 blogger, AJ, and any other forum or WITNESS that doesn't "go along".  It's nothing new. They've been doing it since 2006.

no more like this is about your agenda with cit because russell pickering "retired" because he couldn't find any evidence to support his remote controlled plane theories and had no rebuttal for all the north side witnesses and realized this is where the plane really flew and every witness cit found was only going to further corroborate this account.

Yea, I'd like to know who was in that plane and what they were really doing.
They wont say anything about the doomsday plane.

no you don't.

this is why when real evidence is gathered that shatters the official story and gets the public attention you attack the makers of it in an attempt to make a name for yourself because YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT.

[mym]

Hello,

Remember those at the back of the pentagon are reported to have said a bomb went off and a jet flew by. Huh

This is a thought that I can't put to rest easily.  Don't ya think people can tell the difference between a bomb and an airplane explosion?  Just curious