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Sunstealer,s credentials University, Degree - metallurgy and materials engineering.WOW i am totally unimpressed.Sunstealer is the pseudo scientific bullshitter who came up with the primer paint scenario.The drivel he has just written flies in the face of the Harrit assertions that when the chips were exposed to a naked flame iron microspheres appeared at 700 degrees c.You do not need any degree to know that iron spheres can only occur at near 1500 degrees c,the melting temperature of iron.Also he is ignoring the thermal spike that occurred at 430 degrees c,typical of a nano thermitic reaction.So read what he says again on the basis that he has a bog standard degree,take out the insults,take out the pseudo scientific bullshit and what are you left with? a whole lot of nothing.This is a person with an over inflated ego,he offers opinion based on very little yet claims to understand more than seasoned university professors.Worse of all i personally debunked his paint claptrap and if i can do that he is in serious trouble.Lets wait for Sunstealer,s peer reviewed rebuttal of the Harrit paper except we may be waiting for a very long time,the educated can never outweigh the educators.It appears the attacks are based on Professor Jones and not Niels Harrit,weird considering Harrit is first author.Maybe the mild mannered professor is an easy target,maybe other countries do not treat their intelligentsia with such crass disdain.JREF is a forum of bottom feeders,patting each other on the bottom in an orgy of mass sycophancy.My advice is to take everything on that forum with scepticism,it appears to me to be a group of serial underachievers wallowing in the glory of being kings of their own domain,throwing out straw men,accusations,insults and histrionics like a bunch of dysfunctional, crack addled nerds with Tourettes syndrome,WANKERS!
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« Reply #681 on: July 13, 2009, 08:10:25 AM » |
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« Reply #682 on: July 13, 2009, 08:17:05 AM » |
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« Reply #683 on: July 13, 2009, 08:37:32 AM » |
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That looks like mostly dirt and wires.  The other pics...I will just say I have seen those same 10 pics so many times. The documentation seems to be pretty light considering the magnitude of the event. I hate speculating, but couldnt they have put some plane parts in with pallets of construction materials for the renovation and then blew it up |
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« Reply #684 on: July 13, 2009, 08:58:02 AM » |
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That looks like mostly dirt and wires. The other pics...I will just say I have seen those same 10 pics so many times. The documentation seems to be pretty light considering the magnitude of the event. I hate speculating, but couldnt they have put some plane parts in with pallets of construction materials for the renovation and then blew it up What do you expect to see? |
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« Reply #685 on: July 13, 2009, 09:24:32 AM » |
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« Reply #686 on: July 13, 2009, 09:41:58 AM » |
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Visible, recognisable plane parts !
The plane hit a concrete wall at hundreds of miles an hour and exploded. There are photos of the fuselage scattered around the crash site. Inside there are photos of the landing gear, engine, engine parts, seats and all kinds of stuff but everytime these photos are posted people go 'Where are the plane parts?'. It's like what do you think those photos show? And where do you think all that stuff, which looks like the aftermath of a serious plane crash, came from? |
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« Reply #688 on: July 13, 2009, 09:56:26 AM » |
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I said: But if the cops were where they say they were then they couldn't see the plane south of Citgo. Yes they could see the plane fly into the pentagon, even on a south of citgo path. Maybe he noticed the plane after it was past the citgo and in front of him and just got the flight path wrong. That's one possibility especially when you listen to this interview of Sgt Lagasse from Dec 2001 where 38 seconds in he says..."...an American airlines 757 flew approximately 100 feet above the ground level, maybe, um, 60 feet in front of me" Now that just shows me you haven't watched the video or you're being just plain disingeneous. You have grossly misrepresented what Lagasse says in this video. Why? |
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« Reply #689 on: July 13, 2009, 09:59:16 AM » |
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the flyover is essential to the theory.. Not to me it isn't. If it flew north of Citgo then the light poles were faked (and I have my suspicions about the light poles anyway because of where they supposedly landed after being smashed by a 500 mph plane). If a north of citgo ALONE is established then the can of worms is open. |
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« Reply #690 on: July 13, 2009, 10:01:22 AM » |
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Firstly - I am not a no planer, let me get that on record: The plane hit a concrete wall at hundreds of miles an hour and exploded Yes it did, but it never made it all the way through the outer ring (photos somewhere back in this thread) so there ought to be more parts - it seems strange that there is not more parts, and certainly some larger parts. There are photos of the fuselage scattered around the crash site. Inside there are photos of the landing gear, engine, engine parts, seats and all kinds of stuff but everytime these photos are posted people go 'Where are the plane parts?'. It's like what do you think those photos show? And where do you think all that stuff, which looks like the aftermath of a serious plane crash, came from? Does it look like the aftermath of a serious plane crash though? I dont know. I dont work for the NTSB etc. I know this though, these photos from serious plane crashes show more obvious parts than that: Also the engnes look kinda small (I have been on several 757`s which i believe the pentagon plane was (?) Also was the plane going at that speed? I recall that it was flying at approximately half that speed (?) 1) Plane crash in germany 2002, a boeing 757:  2)  3)  |
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« Reply #691 on: July 13, 2009, 10:09:57 AM » |
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seriously, consider whats missing here..
1) 100+ witnesses that confirmed that (they believed) a large passenger jet impacted the Pentagon..
2) 13+ witnesses that place the plane roughly over the Naval Annex.. who also believed that the plane impacted the Pentagon..
where did the plane go?
You have to seriously acknowledge that if a north citgo flight path is established (and there are 13 good witnesses to it) then the light poles are bogus. Then you have to ask "why did they do that with the light poles?". At the moment the north citgo path looks like it deserves serious consideration regardless of if it impacted the Pentagon or not. |
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« Reply #692 on: July 13, 2009, 10:11:54 AM » |
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Yeah I can see the difference but the planes in your photos didn't hit solid concrete walls so how can you make an accurate comparison when the circumstances of the crashes are so wildly different?
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« Reply #693 on: July 13, 2009, 10:34:45 AM » |
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What do you expect to see? Bigger pieces This plane crashed into a mountain. Had another one similar but somehow misplaced it will have to track it down again..   This one crashed into a building.  The next two are the same crash.   I dont know what i expected to see good question. I guess i just thought there would be some bigger pieces and two engines.  This plane exploded too   Well there is my feeble attempt to show what i expected to see.  After looking at a bunch of crashes I can say you make an excellent point DavidEngland. I cant say it wouldnt have looked like the pics Scootle posted. |
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« Reply #695 on: July 13, 2009, 11:19:11 AM » |
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On the photo of the engine you just posted could you put an arrow just where you think the engine rotor, which was found at the Pentagon, should be.
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« Reply #696 on: July 13, 2009, 11:32:32 AM » |
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On the photo of the engine you just posted could you put an arrow just where you think the engine rotor, which was found at the Pentagon, should be. This is from the site Patriot posted David. I am in no way qualified to comment on this. The next image enables us to compare the rotor element with those in the 757 engine shown here. Since the rotor element is dwarfed by the front-stage turbine rotors, we will assume that the rotor is from the rear (high-pressure) stage of the engine, as shown in exploded view in the maintenance diagram below.  The front rotor element (inside its housing ring) has a diameter of approximately 1.08 metres (42 inches) with the usual error of at most five percent. If we strip away the vanes, leaving only stubs, the diameter drops to 0.86 metres (2 feet 10 inches). Clearly this part is not from the high-pressure stage of a Boeing 757 engine. It has been claimed (Catherder 2004) that the part is a rotor from the auxiliary power unit (APU) of a 757. The APU is a small jet turbine engine that supplies power to the 757’s electrical system. The author in question gave no evidence to support the claim beyond providing a link that shows a bump in the rear of a Boeing 757 where the APU exhaust vent can be seen. If the APU lies within this bump, it is probably too small to be the source of this part. A further argument can be made on the basis of the power needed to supply electrical power. The rotor element found at the Pentagon is about the right size for the engine of a military jet like the F-16. It is not clear why such a large engine would be needed to supply power that is only the tiniest fraction of the electrical power that such an engine, suitably harnessed, could generate. |
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« Reply #697 on: July 13, 2009, 02:13:52 PM » |
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« Reply #699 on: July 13, 2009, 03:02:07 PM » |
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« Reply #700 on: July 13, 2009, 03:10:06 PM » |
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« Reply #701 on: July 13, 2009, 03:18:01 PM » |
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Now that just shows me you haven't watched the video or you're being just plain disingeneous. You have grossly misrepresented what Lagasse says in this video.
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Disingenuous huh? I made it very clear and gave the link on the post you quoted which is here..but you seemed to ignore http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4298.msg735820#msg735820Again from an interview in >>>DEC 2001<<<<< and the link again.... http://memory.loc.gov/service/afc/afc2001015/sr/sr342a01.mp3Have you actually taken the time to sit quietly and seriously think about this? This is the only 9/11 theory that actually makes me laugh out loud when I do. The plane according to Ranke is remote controlled that's what he told me anyway. OK. Are the planes flying into the towers remote controlled or do you actually believe jihadi nuts are in control of them? So we slam a plane into the north tower we slam a plane into the south tower and we almost slam a plane into the pentagon but we don't. Instead we just want everyone to think we did and fly the plane off to somewhere else, meanwhile on an operation as big as 9/11 naturally we have our top operative cagey old Lloyd the mass murdering cab driver staging his scene and have lower ranking CIA guys planting lightpoles. Why you ask? so we can make a fake flight path just for fun. We'll try and put some more operatives like M Walter and Father McGraw along with Wheelhouse (these guys work for almost nothing....they just like killing people) in order to try and make this fake flight path we created for fun more convincing. We also planted plane parts in the building some from the wrong plane(good cointel help is so hard to find) we almost got away with it to if it weren't for those meddling CIT kids. But our operatives were instructed to give them full access and don't panic, just act like you got nothing to hide, but gosh it sure backfired. They could tell they were all operatives and lying through their teeth. Or maybe a plane flew into the building just like everyone said. |
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« Reply #702 on: July 13, 2009, 03:29:04 PM » |
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LMAO - when you put it like that JimD i can see your point.
The wreckage just doesnt look right to me (as i said im no accident investigator or anything) but i have spent alot of time around aircraft and it just seems . . . . lacking some how.
Im looking to see if i can find other examples of planes hitting buildings for comparison, I have an open mind but yes, hitting the pentagon would be easier than flying over it and then getting rid of a plane full of ppl. I just cant see how such a bad pilot could make the manouvers seen that day.
If we assume it wasn`t Hanjour at the controls it might start to make more sense. To me anyway.
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« Reply #705 on: July 13, 2009, 10:02:44 PM » |
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The plane according to Ranke is remote controlled that's what he told me anyway. my blood is actually boiling right now. why are you lying? please tell me your not an operative and follow it up with proof that craig ever said anything remotely close to this that you can spin and turn into "the plane is remote controlled". you are straight up lying dude. and you're busted again. i've busted you lying so many times in this thread it is unbelievable. cit deals in evidence not conspiracy theories. |
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Finding the source of control is time better spent than accusing citizens of being operatives... yes yes yes. don't pay attention to cit and all their eyewitness accounts [the majority of which cit do not believe have any sort of involvement whatsoever] and stick to chasing things no one is ever going to find unless we have an open transparent investigation. mike walter and other eyewitnesses work for cia today but thats no reason to suspect that they may lie to you just like donald rumsfeld or dick chaney. operation mockingbird really exists but obviously good guys like mike walter [just ask "retired" 911 truther russell pickering] aren't part of it. trust me. i know these things. he's a good guy. not a cia operative working for cia today as an operation mockingbird plant telling lies to the american people. no way. right jimd? eyewitness accounts can shatter the official story and warrant a new transparent investigation but thats not what we want. we want to chase down links on the internet that show technologically and theorectically some ideas are indeed very possible although we know that proving something is possible isn't contradicting evidence of any kind. chase your tails doggies. chase your tails. jimd : cit only wants a new transparent investigation into the 9/11 attacks. they support investigation into all aspects of 9/11 because the official story has been proven not to be accurate in arlington and shanksville, in fact it has been proven to be down right false. this investigation would even ultimately prove one way or another your conspiracy theories about remote controlled airplanes. why are you so violently against 911 truthers trying to accumulate enough evidence to make the american people say "ok, i've seen enough let's take another look at this!!!"  why jim? do you support evidence that could warrant this investigation or do you support running around the internet posting links that insinuate other possibilities exist? |
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« Reply #707 on: July 13, 2009, 10:12:42 PM » |
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and since scootle posted some poor quality images throughout the night i'm going to upload the numerous excellent quality images i've obtained showing interior damage. give me a little time they'll be up by morning.
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« Reply #708 on: July 14, 2009, 12:33:16 AM » |
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Disingenuous huh? Yes.. the video people are talking about is the one in the OP, not the one you slipped in later. Did you watch the one in the OP? There are 13 good witnesses for north of Citgo speaking plainly and at length about what they saw. I don't know what CIT did before in terms of videos... this particular video deserves consideration. |
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« Reply #709 on: July 14, 2009, 12:35:20 AM » |
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« Reply #710 on: July 14, 2009, 01:03:10 AM » |
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pentagon photos for those interested, i posted these up at the loose change forums because the interface made it easier and quicker.
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« Reply #711 on: July 14, 2009, 01:10:29 AM » |
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and since scootle posted some poor quality images throughout the night i'm going to upload the numerous excellent quality images i've obtained showing interior damage. give me a little time they'll be up by morning.
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« Reply #712 on: July 14, 2009, 01:29:17 AM » |
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Yeah nice photos but what's your point?
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« Reply #713 on: July 14, 2009, 01:37:14 AM » |
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lol yeah, look around at the debris lol and then look at the computers...looks like they were just dumped there and that someone beat the file cabinet and then placed it there. I totally believe this is planted.
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« Reply #714 on: July 14, 2009, 01:51:30 AM » |
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Oh now come on !
The walls are demolished, the planes is pbliterated, but the filing cabinet stands? Really?
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« Reply #715 on: July 14, 2009, 01:59:36 AM » |
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The walls are demolished, the planes is pbliterated, but the filing cabinet stands? Really?
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« Reply #716 on: July 14, 2009, 02:01:18 AM » |
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Ok we'll have it your way for a while. So tell me what's the benefit to the perps by planting a computer and a filing cabinets at the scene? Please explain.
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« Reply #717 on: July 14, 2009, 02:04:47 AM » |
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The black bos was damaged more than the filing cabinet ! Also, come on its just a filing cabinet anything that sensitive would be in a vault, and are we forgetting that this area was emptied for refurbishment? LOL. If that filing cabinet isnt a plant i do not know what is ! It is taller than wide so its stability is not good enough to not be knocked over !
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The filing cabinets are made from the same stuff as the plane black box.
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I was joking about the black box.
Did anyone consider the possibility that someone was collecting salvageable items from the wreckage?
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