Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[trailhound]

 Well since this is the disingo thread i guess i'll post some other disingo suspects like Stephen Jones.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWpC_1WP8do

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=140017

Not suggesting i have an educated opinion on Mr Jones' findings but after reading some of the info out there i wonder if Mr Jones would be successful at proving anything in court.  Again I DONT KNOW but apparently no version of the events of 9/11 are safe from obfuscation.  And then there is the thought is Stephen Jones an operative like CIT

 I strongly suspect the official story of 9/11 is balderdash but it sure is hard to prove Even PNAC which is proof to me would not hold up in court.

[Scootle]

Don't listen to debunkers when they say there's no evidence for thermite ... they give alternate explanations for the elements found but they over simplify it...

There's a difference between aload of cake ingredients and an actual cake...

If you throw aload of flour and milk and eggs and chocolate and things at a wall you're not gonna get a chocolate gateau are you?

Stephen Jones has found the ingredients for thermite... intimately mixed in the exact ratios required.

The debunkers ignore that and just say he found paint or gypsum board or something just because some of the ingredients match.

[trailhound]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141605

 Like i said Scootle i am honestly not educated enough to know the truth regarding 'nano thermate'.

This is what is so hilarious about the truthers and Jones' samples and the Harrit et al paper. When you look into the sol gel process and it's use in producing nano-sized particles for use in a thermite reaction (of what ever flavour) you find that when comparing the material in the papers with the Harrit paper that the materials are so far apart in their size, morphology and chemistry that only an idiot can't see the difference. What's even more amusing is that various papers on these nano materials get heats of reaction below the theoretical maximum for the classic thermite reaction (namely Fe2O3 + 2Al) at around 3.5 kJ mol-1 and Jones gets above the theoretical maximum for the same reaction and then declares it must therefore be super-thermite! Also note that a reduction in particle size corresponds with a reduction of ignition temperature yet Jones' chips ignite at an even lower temperature yet the particle size of the material in the chips is at least 10 and 40 times larger for the Fe2O3 and Aluminosilicate respectively! 

[Scootle]

I'm not a scientist either but i've watched stephen jones' lectures on the red chips and he proves with several tests that its not primer paint... because for one things... it's explosive!

[trailhound]

I'm not a scientist either but i've watched stephen jones' lectures on the red chips and he proves with several tests that its not primer paint... because for one things... it's explosive!

 Sure but what if he is a paid disinfo agent?

 Regardless that sounds interesting do you have a link?

[phigsy]

show us the video, that is all we need everything else is speculation.

I think you'll find I did make that very point back in the recesses of this thread.

Just so you can be sure we're not at complete cross-purposes.

[jimd3100]

Where do CIT lie in that video.

They lie in all their videos. I'm supposed to have a big long debate with a lunatic every time he makes a video? I've already debated him on his other videos. Ever try and debate a crazy person? It's a waste of time. The lies start at 1 minute in where he says the flight path is conclusively established. Yea, if you ignore Walter Wheelhouse England Isabel James and tons of other witnesses and believe the cops are right in their flightpath but wrong when they like everyone else say they saw the plane hit. They lie at the 2 minute mark when they claim little Debris was found but that is their target audience, those of you still thinking parts weren't recovered and the whole doesn't fit, and other BS nonsense. They lie at the 3 minute mark when they show the damage at the pentagon and claim the columns were blown up and out where the right wing should have been, freeze frame that shot(3:07 in) and notice that those are not columns but slabs hanging down..it's still part of the hole where the wing went in. They give the false impression at 5 1/2 minutes in when they say they went to Arlington in 2006 to find out what happened...you know let the chips fall where they may but neglet to tell you that just like NIST and their WTC report where NIST knew they would say fire caused the collapse they knew that they would be calling the old cab driver a plant. Why? They have to don't they? And how do we know they went there with that plan? Because in Jan of 2006 before ever going there, they made this post on a message board....notice the title of the thread...
Meet Agent Lloyd A. England (Pentagon Plant)
http://letsrollforums.com/meet-agent-lloyd-england-t9799.html?t=9799

But if the cops were where they say they were then they couldn't see the plane south of Citgo.

Yes they could see the plane fly into the pentagon, even on a south of citgo path. Maybe he noticed the plane after it was past the citgo and in front of him and just got the flight path wrong. That's one possibility especially when you listen to this interview of Sgt Lagasse from Dec 2001 where 38 seconds in he says..."...an American airlines 757 flew approximately 100 feet above the ground level, maybe, um, 60 feet in front of me"
http://memory.loc.gov/service/afc/afc2001015/sr/sr342a01.mp3

So you are left with either the military performed the greatest magic trick ever AND the old cab driver is "in on it" and Wheelhouse was an undercover operative along with M Walter or........a plane flew into the building and every witness has a different interpretation of the event just like every other scene. A couple of witnesses say the plane that flew into the WTC was a commuter plane...that doesn't mean it was, it means their a bit off in their estimation of an event they witnessed, just like some witnesses at the pentagon.

Are the cops lying?

No one is lying except "truthers" who edit clips to imply Walter saw a missile, and make disgusting lying claims such as the old cab driver "confessing". He didn't.  Outrageous lies and smears against ordinary citizens is a great way to kill any "truth" movement.

They really couldn't see a south of Citgo path.

They could and did....""...an American airlines 757 flew approximately 100 feet above the ground level, maybe, um, 60 feet in front of me"-Sgt Lagasse Dec 2001

[trailhound]

Yes they could see the plane fly into the pentagon, even on a south of citgo path. Maybe he noticed the plane after it was past the citgo and in front of him and just got the flight path wrong. That's one possibility especially when you listen to this interview of Sgt Lagasse from Dec 2001 where 38 seconds in he says..."...an American airlines 757 flew approximately 100 feet above the ground level, maybe, um, 60 feet in front of me"
http://memory.loc.gov/service/afc/afc2001015/sr/sr342a01.mp3

 Lagasse describes being on the starboard side of the plane. He also states there is a 0% chance he is wrong about the plane being well on the north side of the gas station.  If it flew 60 feet in front of him and he was on the starboard side that places the plane in an even more northerly approach. Did you watch this vid Jim? I had not heard of CIT prior to this video so I didnt have any preconceived notions about them, perhaps, to my detriment in seeing clearly here.   The guys at Arlington seem pretty convinced the plane was over their way too which is very north of the citgo. and the other guy in the street...pretty convincing the plane was north of citgo.

[trailhound]

 Hey Jim I just realized the original video you were responding to in the first thread is not the same as the one we have been talking about which has more witnesses and less speculation. Did you watch this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o

 At 43 minutes in they interview a man who was at arlington. He says those who say the plane was on the south side of the citgo must not have seen it.  He looks as if the notion is completely ridiculous in his mind.

[pcc]

The flyover is secondary.

First if a north of Citgo is proved then the rest is up for grabs because it means they faked the lamposts. If they faked the lamposts then you have to ask "why"?

Did you ever look at the lamposts? They hardly moved from their bases, even thought supposedly they had been ripped off (and in two) by a plane travelling at over 500mph.

At the moment north of Citgo deserves very serious consideration.

the flyover is essential to the theory.. no one claimed to have seen a large passenger jet pull up and over the Pentagon before, during, or after the "presumed" impact..
if you cannot see the necessity for multiple flyover witnesses then I cannot help you..

as to the lamp poles.. the plane didn't "smash into" them.. it "clipped" them.. its not unreasonable to have them fly a few feet.. also we have no real timeline on the photos.. someone helped Lloyd remove one from his taxi.. the others may have been moved if they were blocking traffic or rescue workers..

[trailhound]

the flyover is essential to the theory.. no one claimed to have seen a large passenger jet pull up and over the Pentagon before, during, or after the "presumed" impact..
if you cannot see the necessity for multiple flyover witnesses then I cannot help you..

As I came up along the Pentagon I saw helicopters. That's not strange. It's the Pentagon. Then I saw the plane. There were only a few cars on the road, we all stopped. I know I wanted to believe that plane was making a low descent into National Airport, but it was nearly on the road. And it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense. The pilot didn't seem to be planning to pull up anytime soon. It was there. A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. The noise was beyond description. ... I called my boss. I had no memory of how to work my cellphone. I hit redial and his number came up. "Something hit the Pentagon. It must have been a helicopter." I knew that wasn't true, but I heard myself say it. I heard myself believe it, if only for a minute. "Buildings don't eat planes. That plane, it just vanished. There should have been parts on the ground. It should have rained parts on my car. The airplane didn't crash. Where are the parts?" That's the conversation I had with myself on the way to work. It made sense this morning. I swear that it did. ... There seems to be no footage of the crash, only the site. The gash in the building looks so small on TV. The massiveness of the structure lost in the tight shots of the fire. There was a plane. It didn't go over the building. It went into the building. I want them to find it whole, wedged between floors or something. I know that isn't going to happen, but right now I pretend. I want to see footage of the crash. I want to make it make sense. I want to know why there's this gap in my memory, this gap that makes it seem as though the plane simply became invisible and banked up at the very last minute, but I don't think that's going to happen.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/index.html

 No the witness doesnt purport that it did bank up, but seems confused about what they did see which didnt 'make sense'.

 I dont want to be accused of mucking up the forum with disinfo so I think I am going to leave this thread and subject alone. Perhaps I have been had, but the testimony in this video will remain a big WTF in my mind.

[jimd3100]

Hey Jim I just realized the original video you were responding to in the first thread is not the same as the one we have been talking about which has more witnesses and less speculation. Did you watch this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o

I'm responding to that video, here...
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4298.msg735820#msg735820

I've wasted moments of my life watching all of them the latest is just edits from the earlier ones. Yes I've seen it how else could I know at 3:07 in they are lying as usual?

At 43 minutes in they interview a man who was at arlington. He says those who say the plane was on the south side of the citgo must not have seen it.  He looks as if the notion is completely ridiculous in his mind.

It's no more ridiculous than making movie after movie trying to convict an old cab driver and reporter and funeral mourners(wheelhouse) and priests because they prove a stupid theory you have is impossible. Getting the truth movement to waste time and energy going after innocent citizens who made the mistake of talking to us while letting Bush Cheney and tenet and Bandar off the hook.

[trailhound]

the flyover is essential to the theory.. no one claimed to have seen a large passenger jet pull up and over the Pentagon before, during, or after the "presumed" impact..
if you cannot see the necessity for multiple flyover witnesses then I cannot help you..

 One last note. I find it amusing that so many believe the NWO has the technology to fake the second coming of Christ (bluebeam) but wont consider that they could cause illusions on 9/11. David Copperfield made the statue of liberty disappear.

[trailhound]

Quote from: lostdog2323 on Today at 04:48:25 PM
At 43 minutes in they interview a man who was at arlington. He says those who say the plane was on the south side of the citgo must not have seen it.  He looks as if the notion is completely ridiculous in his mind.

It's no more ridiculous than making movie after movie trying to convict an old cab driver and reporter and funeral mourners(wheelhouse) and priests because they prove a stupid theory you have is impossible. Getting the truth movement to waste time and energy going after innocent citizens who made the mistake of talking to us while letting Bush Cheney and tenet and Bandar off the hook.

 I really dont see how that has anything to do with what the witnesses say. I could care less about what CIT says or their motives, its what the witnesses say that I cant outright discount. Perhaps they are all batshit crazy i dont know. 

 

[phigsy]

I dont want to be accused of mucking up the forum with disinfo so I think I am going to leave this thread and subject alone. Perhaps I have been had, but the testimony in this video will remain a big WTF in my mind.

Don't think you have to leave because you think you're mucking anything up. This is a DEBATE, which the powers that be on here are more than intent on silencing. Reference the thread title. Where the f**k does this mod of less than a thousand posts & who can't even string a cohesive sentence get off claiming he knows for sure what went on? I'll say again to the hero gatekeepers: let me see you debate some of these CIT guys in real time or quit pretending you aren't part of the exact same conspiracy.

Because this shit is getting old real quick. Like the forum in general.

[trailhound]

 Just start at 40 minutes in and listen to the arlington employees who describe the plane coming over the annex and heading straight for them. They relate running for cover cause they thought it was going to hit their buildings. This trajectory does not seem at all possible if the plane was going to hit those poles on its way to the pentagon at the right angle.  Also the arlington guys totally verify Lagasse's opinion that the plane was as far north as the wall of arlington. Any way you spin it these witnesses put very strong doubt in my mind that the plane flew on the south side of the citgo. Im not going to speculate what that means in the final equation because i just dont know.

[pcc]

Sure but what if he is a paid disinfo agent?

 Regardless that sounds interesting do you have a link?

I think Jones has a real problem with his paper..
as the Jref'rs have pointed out.. he had been asked to replicate his experiment in an oxygen free environment to fully establish the thermatic properties of his sample.. he has yet(as far as I'm aware) to do this..
they also correctly point out his bias in the scientific method.. ie, not having a pre-conceived notion before hand and attempt to prove it..
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=140017
also his alliance with Harrit is discouraging..
Harrit still claims there were no bomb sniffing dogs on 911..

and now concurs with Jones that thermite was not the medium to initiate the collapse but rather it was probably used as a fuse for more conventional explosives..

Originally Posted by Russia Today interview 7/9 2009
Niels Harrit: “We do not know if the thermite that we have found is the same thermite which has been used for melting the beams. It’s very, very possible that different varieties were used, and I personally am certain that conventional explosives were used too, in abundance.”

Russia Today: “When you say “in abundance,” how much do you mean?”

Niels Harrit: “Tons! Hundreds of tons! Many, many, many tons!”

and makes this curious statement

Originally Posted by Russia Today interview 7/9 2009 Niels Harrit: “And actually, when there is a fire in the United States, which is suspicious, or which is violent, or which is unexpected, according to some regulation, you should look for thermite. Because you can use it for arson; and if you want to burn your house, this is the way to do it. You cook up a thermite reaction, and you go on vacation, and you can trigger it with your cell phone at a long distance, if you wish. So, this is routine for the FBI to look for remains of thermite. This they do very frequently actually. But they didn’t do it this time.”

that last quote is ridiculous..

do I think that Jones is a paid disinfo agent? absolutely not!!!
but his theory has problems.. he needs to get this thing peer reviewed by a reputable collection of chemists, not some vanity journal like he has.. and he needs to demonstrate how the thermite was used, otherwise we are back at square one..

[trailhound]

 And how about Roosevelt Roberts pentagon police officer inside the pentagon who saw the plane come within 100 feet of the building and then fly away over the south parking lot as the explosion happened. Is he batshit crazy p.o.s. too?

transcript of his interview
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread382628/pg1

[pcc]

Don't think you have to leave because you think you're mucking anything up. This is a DEBATE, which the powers that be on here are more than intent on silencing. Reference the thread title. Where the f**k does this mod of less than a thousand posts & who can't even string a cohesive sentence get off claiming he knows for sure what went on? I'll say again to the hero gatekeepers: let me see you debate some of these CIT guys in real time or quit pretending you aren't part of the exact same conspiracy.

Because this shit is getting old real quick. Like the forum in general.

what does post counts have to do with anything.. he was made a mod.. are you questioning the rational for making him a mod? Jim has made more headway into the behind the scenes LIHOP than anyone I have come across.. show some respect for people who actually do the real research.. not a bunch of clowns who go off cherry picking the witnesses, leading their testimony, and come off with a half cocked explanation with no ending.. like flyover witnesses.. or where did the plane go? these guys use occams razor in reverse.. they set up the scenario, and steer you into a conclusion without any real merit.. just like a car salesman.. this is nothing more than a carefully crafted infomercial to get you to buy something.. and in case you didn't know.. they got this whole idea from someone else.. please reference LaGasses email to apf..

and if you are dissatisfied with your time spent here,
I would suggest to maybe find a forum more to your liking

[trailhound]

pcc wrote

not a bunch of clowns who go off cherry picking the witnesses, leading their testimony, and come off with a half cocked explanation with no ending.. like flyover witnesses.. or where did the plane go?

how about Roosevelt Roberts pentagon police officer inside the pentagon who saw the plane come within 100 feet of the building and then fly away over the south parking lot as the explosion happened. Is he batshit crazy p.o.s. too?

transcript of his interview
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread382628/pg1

By the way I agree with you about Jim I appreciate his efforts at keeping it real and have no beef with or disrespect for his positions.

[pcc]

pcc wrote
how about Roosevelt Roberts pentagon police officer inside the pentagon who saw the plane come within 100 feet of the building and then fly away over the south parking lot as the explosion happened. Is he batshit crazy p.o.s. too?

transcript of his interview
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread382628/pg1

By the way I agree with you about Jim I appreciate his efforts at keeping it real and have no beef with or disrespect for his positions.

he seems pretty confused.. the plane they are asking him about HE put over lane one.. which is pretty close to a southside approach given his viewpoint.. however this could not be the plane that hit as he states he came outside about ten seconds after the explosion.. he possibly was mistaken, and saw the C130 which was confirmed to be in the immediate vicinity..  no other explanation makes sense.. not even CIT's witnesses saw a second plane, and Reheats paper already makes this impossible to have been 77's flight path..
so crazy? dunno.. mistaken as to the identity of the plane? probable, as he was obviously confused in the interview.. by the way this is how CIT interviewed all their witnesses..

[phigsy]

what does post counts have to do with anything.. he was made a mod.. are you questioning the rational for making him a mod? Jim has made more headway into the behind the scenes LIHOP than anyone I have come across.. show some respect for people who actually do the real research.. not a bunch of clowns who go off cherry picking the witnesses, leading their testimony, and come off with a half cocked explanation with no ending.. like flyover witnesses.. or where did the plane go? these guys use occams razor in reverse.. they set up the scenario, and steer you into a conclusion without any real merit.. just like a car salesman.. this is nothing more than a carefully crafted infomercial to get you to buy something.. and in case you didn't know.. they got this whole idea from someone else.. please reference LaGasses email to apf..

and if you are dissatisfied with your time spent here,
I would suggest to maybe find a forum more to your liking

Been here from the off and I ain't moving........ So tell me; who did they get it off, how & for what reason (given that we all already know 9/11 was a massive con-job from start to finish)?

[trailhound]

he seems pretty confused.. the plane they are asking him about HE put over lane one.. which is pretty close to a southside approach given his viewpoint.. however this could not be the plane that hit as he states he came outside about ten seconds after the explosion.. he possibly was mistaken, and saw the C130 which was confirmed to be in the immediate vicinity..  no other explanation makes sense.. not even CIT's witnesses saw a second plane, and Reheats paper already makes this impossible to have been 77's flight path..
so crazy? dunno.. mistaken as to the identity of the plane? probable, as he was obviously confused in the interview.. by the way this is how CIT interviewed all their witnesses..

Roosevelt does not sound confused at all about the fact that he saw a silver jet engined commercial airliner flying away no more than 10 seconds after the explosion. Another witness they interviewed, Maria De La Cerda a military musician witnessing from arlington says she saw the plane on top of the building.  Also Erik Dihl, arlington cemetery employee reports that witnesses at the scene were saying a bomb went off and a jet flew by.

[pcc]

Been here from the off and I ain't moving........ So tell me; who did they get it off, how & for what reason (given that we all already know 9/11 was a massive con-job from start to finish)?

this is the forerunner of CIT..

http://physics911.ca/Eastman:_Decoys_and_the_Pentagon_Attack

[Dig]

Roosevelt does not sound confused at all about the fact that he saw a silver jet engined commercial airliner flying away no more than 10 seconds after the explosion. Another witness they interviewed, Maria De La Cerda a military musician witnessing from arlington says she saw the plane on top of the building.  Also Erik Dihl, arlington cemetery employee reports that witnesses at the scene were saying a bomb went off and a jet flew by.

where are the full transcripts of all 100 witnesses.

[trailhound]

Here's a bunch of witnesses.

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm

[DVD]

the person on this very thread who calls himself DVD and is a "third wheel" member of CIT also claimed reprehenser at 9/11 blogger is an "operative" as well. That's what got you guys banned there isn't it DVD? Reprehenser, who runs the most important (IMO) 9/11 website on the internet is also "in on it" right dikhead?

there should be a "c" in dickhead.

can i report that to somebody or is this like trying to call the police for help while they're curbstomping your face into the concrete?

i stand by my statements about 'reprehensor' whoever he or she maybe.

despite the huge amount of support cit received on 911blogger 'reprehensor' took it upon themself to be judge almighty. sort of like yourself right now.....

This DVD individual who I already had banned once said this in another forum in reference to this very prisonplanet forum ..."i think im going to start some shit over there......
So when he came here to "start his shit" I had him banned. Isn't that horrible of me? To kick someone to the curb who already stated this was their next target after watching their insanity play out on other boards? Isn't that terrible that I care about the truth movement being truthfull? Care to deny this DVD?

as for your little quotes you don't source them so i have no idea what context they are being perhaps taken out of.

i suspect there is a reason for you not linking them and i challenge you publicly to do so. since alex jones and dylan avery were 2 of the people who inspired me to make phone calls and grab a video camera and make trips up and down the turnpike i would like to see what the discussion is regarding those statements. just keeping you in check to make sure you're not pulling a jref out of context unsourced tactic.

yeah i deny that you care about the truth movement being truthful.

my comments about the people running this forum aren't a reflection upon alex jones unless you are directly carrying out these actions and bogus claims about cit's pentagon work at his command. if he is putting the words in your mouth for you and telling you to ban people who support this work then it can apply to him as well.

"Why don't you so called truthers start spreading some truth and stamp out this BS instead of falling for it and making yourself look stupid? If there are any operatives here it is the ones who are trying to destroy the very best 9/11 sites and making outrageous accusations against the very people we need. That is CIT. Why do you think they call themselves that? Because they are attention seeking loons. CIT=just another 3 letter agency to me.
So you really want to look at some evidence? Then let's do it.

yes i would really like to look at some evidence.

so far i see you calling me a 'dikhead' and badmouthing cit and not addressing one single claim from any of their videos.

here's my shanksville work if you want to look at some 'evidence' : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FAF00C03EFC3E614

how come when alex jones has april gallop on he says how obvious it is that NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON?

alex jones & april gallop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoPwaoNe0kg

listen to all 4 parts and come back and tell me alex believes the official story of flight 77 a massive 757 hitting the pentagon, ok?

earlier 'scootle' tried to point out that none of the recovery workers supported cit. he was shown to be wrong.

now i will show everyone here that even a pentagon attack survivor, april gallop, supports cit :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUato7U5JY

and you want to talk about some anonymous internet persona called "reprehensor"?

lets talk about a non anonymous human being who was in the pentagon named april gallop. checkmate.



as for why you banned me previously let's be honest about it, shall we?

if we go to the shanksville forum we'll find the 4 threads i started there. one of them is missing a post from you where you complimented my work but i digress.....

then we go to the pentagon forum and find this :

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=41936.40
post #46 where i question how a second hand account from an anonymous source can be considered the be all end all for pentagon discussion and you pop up in post #47 and ban me.
post #48 is from another member of the forum who questions your actions and is ignored.

i never broke a single rule while i was a member here. not one.

yet you call me a 'dikhead'.

i'm not disrutping any forum here. i am engaging in debate and sharing of information.

when i watch loose change final cut i see my name twice in the credits and jimd3100's name is nowhere to be found. now why is that?

you have no reason to ban me just like there were no reasons to ban anyone who supported cit's work except to force groupthink of this movement.

to try to tell people that they can't tell whats reality when they're looking at it.

to tell people 911 is an inside job but leave the investigation to the professionals.

to insinuate roosevelt roberts is confused and lloyde england is senile when they don't support bush's fairytale.

and to stomp your boot on the back of anyone's neck who dare shows something to the contrary.

so let's get into this jimd. convince these people that a 757 flew the official mechanical damage path along the southside of the citgo station tearing lightpoles out of the ground and leveling off at just 2 feet off the ground by some incompetent jihadi. convince me that all these guys working at arlington national cemetary are wrong. convince me that it took roosevelt roberts a good 2-3 minutes to walk 7 steps to the dock door so he can see a c130[even though he states with certainty it was a commercial jet airliner]. that lloyde england really removed a 40 foot pole from his car before anyone could see it sticking out with the help of a silent stranger who felt it unnecessary to stay and fill out a report all the while without so much as putting a tiny little scratch on his hood.

its been 8 years show me something that proves the official story about a 757 hitting the pentagon is true.

april gallop doesn't believe it.
i watched alex's interview with her and it sure as hell appears that he doesn't believe it happened either.

so if the plane all these people watched approach the pentagon didn't hit then what happened to it?

[DVD]

Yes they could see the plane fly into the pentagon, even on a south of citgo path.

thats a lie.

Maybe he noticed the plane after it was past the citgo and in front of him and just got the flight path wrong.

yeah maybe.

even though he said he'd bet his life on it.

in fact both police officers say there is absolutely no way it was south of the gas station.

but yeah, "maybe".

 

No one is lying except "truthers" who edit clips to imply Walter saw a missile, and make disgusting lying claims such as the old cab driver "confessing". He didn't.  Outrageous lies and smears against ordinary citizens is a great way to kill any "truth" movement.

you're lying right now.

no one in cit ever did or said anything to imply usa today [who owns them? cia today] employee walter saw a missile.

why are you being dishonest jimd?

your whole credibility on these forums now relies on you proving cit did this and you're not lying. i bet you won't be able to prove cit did this and not reply with anything.

[DVD]

Has anyone attempted to speak to these witnesses like CIT did?

no its easier to attack cit and give you a list of reasons why you should ignore their evidence.

makes you wonder, don't it?

[DVD]

Don't listen to debunkers when they say there's no evidence for thermite ...

....or evidence that a plane didn't hit the pentagon or crash in a field in shanksville.

your sentence seemed incomplete.

[DVD]

i wonder if jimd knows who Aiden Monaghan is?

someone [who isn't anonymous or reprehensor] from 911 blogger whom i respect.

this is what Aidan recently said [and I'll include the link jimd] :

Glad to see CIT is still pressing the Pentagon matter.

I don't know what happened at the Penatgon on 9/11 but because of all the CIT research, it seems virtually certain that AA 77 did not fly south of the Citgo station and topple the light posts as alleged by "official" accounts.

All of the Pentagon scene interviews are a very important historical record.

Aidan had this to say about the documentary this thread is about :

Watched the film. A good production.

Didn't know Lloyd's wife worked for the FBI. And AA 77s reduced appraoch speed is very interesting.

Perhaps the extreme speeds apparently falsely attributed to AA 77 were to create a perception that so little wreckage of AA 77 could be discovered because it could not have survived an alleged 400-500 mph impact.

I can't recall for certain, but did the Pentagon officer who described a low-flying plane after the alleged AA 77 explosion via phone also describe a similar scene during his official interview?

By the way, I have a lawsuit underway with the FBI seeking all Pentagon records, plus more. Within a few weeks I should be able to force the FBI to at least declare what records they do have and why they are holding them.

I must confess, the collective acounts and building damage do imply at the very least that the light posts and C-Ring hole were likely staged in anticipation of a south-of-Citgo approach.

And one obvious reason for staging crash evidence would be to create the appearance of a crash that wasn't supposed to take place.

and....

I must confess that the evidence does strongly imply fly-over.

- downed light posts, destroyed trailer and C-Ring hole that could not have been created by an apparent north-side approach.

- the apparent staging of the above evidence would only occur if there was an interest in creating a perception of a "AA 77"/Pentaon impact.

- the staging of the above evidence would only occur in the event that "AA 77" was never intended to strike the Pentagon.

source

[pcc]

seriously, consider whats missing here..

1) 100+ witnesses that confirmed that (they believed) a large passenger jet impacted the Pentagon..
2) 13+ witnesses that place the plane roughly over the Naval Annex.. who also believed that the plane impacted the Pentagon..

where did the plane go?

was the whole illusion able to fool the witnesses to the south approach?
was the flyover unable to be seen by both the Noc witnesses as well as all of them from the south?
why dismiss all those witnesses that don't agree with Noc?
there should be redundant confirmation of a flyover.. I will let the reader decide as to the credibility of R Roberts conversation with CIT to hold as much weight as all the evidence, both physical and testimonial..
many saw it hit.. were they all wrong???
seriously folks, can you really discount the other witnesses based solely on the fact that they were not on camera?
they are all well documented.. especially Jamie Mcintyre.. remember him?

this is an appeal to logic and reason..
but whatever.. believe what thou wilt..

MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN in which I -- myself -- appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. In fact, I was answering a question based on a eyewitness account who thought the American Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicated there was no crash site near the pentagon only at the Pentagon
http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/05/16/transcript.wed/index.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_mcintyre_and_the_pentago.html

[jimd3100]

there should be a "c" in dickhead.

I know how to spell it dikhead, that's how I choose to write it.

can i report that to somebody or is this like trying to call the police for help while they're curbstomping your face into the concrete?

Report it to whoever you like, and let's let them decide wether trying to get the "truth movement" to believe 9/11 blogger is run by gov operatives earns you the name.

i stand by my statements about 'reprehensor' whoever he or she maybe.

Which is why I stand by my dikhead comment.

despite the huge amount of support cit received on 911blogger 'reprehensor' took it upon themself to be judge almighty. sort of like yourself right now.....

It's called policing his own board from BS attention seeking loons, and I wouldn't characterize your support as huge. Of course he's going to ban loons claiming he is an "operative". Because he is busy spreading info  real info on 9/11 and has no reason to put up with your divisive BS.

as for your little quotes you don't source them so i have no idea what context they are being perhaps taken out of.

i suspect there is a reason for you not linking them and i challenge you publicly to do so. since Alex Jones and Dylan Avery were 2 of the people who inspired me to make phone calls and grab a video camera and make trips up and down the turnpike i would like to see what the discussion is regarding those statements. just keeping you in check to make sure you're not pulling a jref out of context unsourced tactic.

Be carefull you don't want to make it to obvious your real goal here attention seeking CIT   the next Loose change...LOL..you're not, get used to it.

It's where you also said this about Alex Jones..."He really has no credibility with me after seeing his actions with us and PFT."  From your CIT board where you loons gather.
http://s3.invisionfree.com/CIT/ar/t93.htm

yeah i deny that you care about the truth movement being truthful.

I think it would be obvious your opinion and approval is not something I seek nor want.

my comments about the people running this forum aren't a reflection upon alex jones unless you are directly carrying out these actions and bogus claims about cit's pentagon work at his command. if he is putting the words in your mouth for you and telling you to ban people who support this work then it can apply to him as well.

As mush as your paranoia and delusions control you I'm sorry to inform you that AJ giving me secret orders on how to deal with you doesn't exist, he has better things to do than deal with your internet message board BS.

yes i would really like to look at some evidence.


so far i see you calling me a 'dikhead' and badmouthing cit and not addressing one single claim from any of their videos.

here's my shanksville work if you want to look at some 'evidence' : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FAF00C03EFC3E614

LOL...just can't help yourself can you? Is this about you or the truth movement and exposing 9/11? Never mind I know the answer. I get it --you want attention and be known for "exposing 9/11"....yea I get it.

how come when alex jones has april gallop on he says how obvious it is that NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON?

He has no position on what hit the pentagon as far as I know, but I will agree he has given the impression he doesn't think an airliner hit. Neither did Hoffman at first and lots of others as well, but then weeded past the BS and changed their position just as others have when they gain more facts and stop getting fooled with BS scenarios, which is exactly what scares the heck out of you and pilots for truth. You both need to keep the myth of no plane hitting the building because if you don't you become obsolete which is a big reason why you spend your lives being ridiculed on boards, and refuse to ever admit that's what happened, your own egos are more important than the truth. You expose yourselves to those that pay attention.

alex jones & april gallop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoPwaoNe0kg

listen to all 4 parts and come back and tell me alex believes the official story of flight 77 a massive 757 hitting the pentagon, ok?

Tell me he believes your stupid fly over theory and why you're so pissed off he wont have you on the show.

earlier 'scootle' tried to point out that none of the recovery workers supported cit. he was shown to be wrong.

now i will show everyone here that even a pentagon attack survivor, april gallop, supports cit :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUato7U5JY

So this proves your amazing magic trick at the pentagon?

and you want to talk about some anonymous internet persona called "reprehensor"?

9/11 blogger has done more for 9/11 truth than you will ever dream of doing. And is proof that you are intent on causing disruption in the movement.

lets talk about a non anonymous human being who was in the pentagon named april gallop. checkmate.

Why? So you can pretend you have credibility? checkmate? wtf?

as for why you banned me previously let's be honest about it, shall we?

Are you capable?

if we go to the shanksville forum we'll find the 4 threads i started there. one of them is missing a post from you where you complimented my work but i digress.....

Whatever....if you're talking about an interview with Wally Miller that is a good historical thing to have, of course you can't help yourself and have to come on the internet and say what a lier he is, cause that's what you guys do.

then we go to the pentagon forum and find this :

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=41936.40
post #46 where i question how a second hand account from an anonymous source can be considered the be all end all for pentagon discussion and you pop up in post #47 and ban me.
post #48 is from another member of the forum who questions your actions and is ignored.

Yea so?

i never broke a single rule while i was a member here. not one.

No just trying to tell people the old cab driver confessed and is an accomplice to mass murder. Either you deliberately misrepresented his words or you are an idiot. Frankly I consider you to be dumb and dishonest so I can't decide which it is.

yet you call me a 'dikhead'.

Yes that's true. You stand by your statement that 9/11 blogger is a compromised site and I stand by my dikhead comment in reference to you.

i'm not disrutping any forum here. i am engaging in debate and sharing of information.

Just as no planners and hologram fairies and space beam aliens.

when i watch loose change final cut i see my name twice in the credits and jimd3100's name is nowhere to be found. now why is that?

Because you are out for attention and making it obvious? You aren't suggesting Dylan Avery supports your argument are you? Are you? Are you?

you have no reason to ban me just like there were no reasons to ban anyone who supported cit's work except to force groupthink of this movement.

I can't ban anyone, I said I had you banned after I gave my recommendation.

to try to tell people that they can't tell whats reality when they're looking at it.

Or weeding out BS artists and no planners

to tell people 911 is an inside job but leave the investigation to the professionals.

Are you my spokeman now? CIT did an excellent job of proving a large jet crashed into the pentagon, I will give them that, but that really doesn't help you or P4T since it would mean you were wrong and we certainly can't have that can we? So let's accuse and slander innocent citizens to make a name for ourselves....not something to be proud of but like I said....you have a different agenda.

to insinuate roosevelt roberts is confused and lloyde england is senile when they don't support bush's fairytale.

Everyone knows Lloyd is easily confused and elderly as Russell Pickering said when he was there...BTW here's another reason we don't care for you loons...Russell was an honest researcher that you loons to this day take great pride in accusing of being an "operative"...you know like 9/11 blogger, which drives rational truthful people out of the movement to not have to deal with insane BS like you nuts  and no planners, and when you drive these honest rational people out with your constant drama and divisive accusations you are destroying the movement and leaving it to the die hard paranoid insane scenario BS attention seekers like yourself. Keep calling honest researchers "operatives" earn the dikhead name.....
Russell Pickering who had the best pentagon research site and was doing great work until he got tired of dealing with loons like CIT......I'll let him speak from the past...

"First I would like to say it is sad that Craig and Aldo by being the squeakiest wheels are getting control of the forums again as in the past.

I warned of this very strongly. Image and information control are important in marketing.

The fact they want to control the forums again through manipulation and discrediting me is quite what I intended. They are whining to a degree that once again information is being monitored, closed and removed from the public eye which is what they need to continue the flyover propaganda.

Remember boys my goal is to push your buttons one at a time until you expose yourselves for what you really are.

You are doing a fine job - so please continue. It is important for all of the rational people who read this site to understand the psychology and emotional nature of the people behind the PentaCON.

I also personally became very frustrated with the likes of PFT and CIT being successful at their using these forums to launch themselves on self-promoting projects. Like in politics the most compelled egos will drive themselves to the front.

I have done long and tedious quiet work on the Pentagon for years. I have never had any interest in self-promotion or profit.

Since the destruction of the old forums I have oscillated very strongly on not being involved in 9/11 any more. It is the likes of CIT and PFT and other self-promoting groups that discourage me.

The 9/11 movement is a haven for the non-rational hardcore conspiracy theorist. For that reason I believe the movement will eventually implode. Again it is the hardest of the hard cores that want to be on top and sell us their theories.

Time will tell on these guys. A plane hit the Pentagon.

A 757 DID NOT PERFORM WILD LOW ALTITUDE MANUEVERS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AFTER N.Y. AND ESCAPE THE NOTICE OF THE ENTIRE D.C. POULATION WHILE FLYING THROUGH A MASSIVE FIREBALL AT THE ROOF LINE OF THE PENTAGON.

Fiction based on people who very carefully acquired sound bites and edited them to have a roadshow and take their research to a new level.

Lloyd very simply has a horrible memory. Like ALL other witnesses including Lagasse's story about being blown into his car Lloyd has embellished his own story.

In our interview Lloyd even forgot which direction he was heading. He argued with Aldo firmly stating he was not on a bridge/overpass. He said I can't remember I don't know how many times.

Lloyd offered to drive me 90 miles to the cab and inspect it and I was too nervous to drive with him. I believe he is honest but extremely confused at times and driving with him seemed dangerous because of his age and tendency to be confused.

To accuse him of being a deep cover plant involved in murder is INSANE!

The fact that personal, PRIVATE experiences of mine from a group of people on a research trip have now been manipulated by Craig to convince you of PentaCON speaks highly of the lack of integrity involved here.

Why do Craig and Aldo NEED to attack me and Lloyd's story BUT yet are very willing to embrace the numerous contradictions and embellishments of Lagasse and the FACT it is on film Lagasse didn't even remember where he was parked??

It is WHAT they wanted to believe then and now HAVE to believe to continue promoting the second version of PentaCON.

This is NOT research and Karma will some day be harsh.

Just watch this even if it takes years and it will be clear. -- R Pickering
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=14657&st=0

and to stomp your boot on the back of anyone's neck who dare shows something to the contrary.

No, just insane attention seekers destroying the truth movement

so let's get into this jimd. convince these people that a 757 flew the official mechanical damage path along the southside of the citgo station tearing lightpoles out of the ground and leveling off at just 2 feet off the ground by some incompetent jihadi. convince me that all these guys working at arlington national cemetary are wrong. convince me that it took roosevelt roberts a good 2-3 minutes to walk 7 steps to the dock door so he can see a c130[even though he states with certainty it was a commercial jet airliner]. that lloyde england really removed a 40 foot pole from his car before anyone could see it sticking out with the help of a silent stranger who felt it unnecessary to stay and fill out a report all the while without so much as putting a tiny little scratch on his hood.

I don't take dictation from you, don't bother trying to give me orders. The witnesses and the recovered parts, along with the testimony of rescue workers makes it pretty obvious a jetliner hit the building, the insanity of a flyover no one saw speaks for itself. Witnesses don't always get everything right and everyone knows it.

its been 8 years show me something that proves the official story about a 757 hitting the pentagon is true.

You're not going to ever ever admit it happened because you'd be obsolete. It's a waste of time. I've already got posts on this board still explaining the size of the hole the construction of the pentagon, what rescue workers found on and on, and it doesn't matter you will never admit you are obsolete. You are a waste of time

april gallop doesn't believe it.
i watched alex's interview with her and it sure as hell appears that he doesn't believe it happened either.

I never heard them endorse your stupid theory.

so if the plane all these people watched approach the pentagon didn't hit then what happened to it?

They watched it hit, and the evidence recovered confirms it. And the idea that a remote controlled plane would fly not into but over the pentagon and fool everyone like a magic trick is f***king stupid and lacks common sense and logic along with any witness. And to top it off they made a fake flight path just to somehow get an old cab driver involved just for laughs. Yea, sounds reasonable.

[DVD]

 

there should be a "c" in dickhead.

I know how to spell it dikhead, that's how I choose to write it.

Ok so now we know you spell poorly intentionally. There’s a trait to be proud of…lol

can i report that to somebody or is this like trying to call the police for help while they're curbstomping your face into the concrete?

Report it to whoever you like, and let's let them decide wether trying to get the "truth movement" to believe 9/11 blogger is run by gov operatives earns you the name.

Oh I know this is like telling the cops that cops are beating me and expecting them to do something about it. Read you loud and clear on that.

i stand by my statements about 'reprehensor' whoever he or she maybe.

Which is why I stand by my dikhead comment.

I’m just waiting for you to tell me “meet me in the playground after school” for some reason……

despite the huge amount of support cit received on 911blogger 'reprehensor' took it upon themself to be judge almighty. sort of like yourself right now.....

It's called policing his own board from BS attention seeking loons, and I wouldn't characterize your support as huge.

It’s called gatekeeping and I would say the FACT that over 50% of the members supported CIT’s work that it is justified being there.

as for your little quotes you don't source them so i have no idea what context they are being perhaps taken out of.

i suspect there is a reason for you not linking them and i challenge you publicly to do so. since Alex Jones and Dylan Avery were 2 of the people who inspired me to make phone calls and grab a video camera and make trips up and down the turnpike i would like to see what the discussion is regarding those statements. just keeping you in check to make sure you're not pulling a jref out of context unsourced tactic.

Be carefull you don't want to make it to obvious your real goal here attention seeking CIT   the next Loose change...LOL..you're not, get used to it.

It's where you also said this about Alex Jones..."He really has no credibility with me after seeing his actions with us and PFT."  From your CIT board where you loons gather.
http://s3.invisionfree.com/CIT/ar/t93.htm

Thank you for linking that!
Now people can see the conversation in context and it exposes you and not me as the whole conversation starts off with Craig saying :

All I have to say is that I was just completely accosted by the mods on the prisonplanet forum.

I barely post there at all and I posted a thread with a trailer for the new presentation.

One of the mods (who goes by Sane) made a sticky out of it and it was even hosted on prisonplanet.com but then the mod jimd3100 went ballistic.

He went OFF on me, moved my thread to a trash forum, and CONTINUED to attack me non-stop mostly by digging up dirt between us and Dylan.

But he also changed the title of my thread to be "The ultimate con on the 911 truth movement: Pentacon".

Can you believe that?!! He changed the title of MY thread so those words are now attributed to ME!

So now everyone can see this infighting was actually started by you. You can tell what the cons are up to by listening to what they accuse others of. Its doublethink.

yeah i deny that you care about the truth movement being truthful.

I think it would be obvious your opinion and approval is not something I seek nor want.

I’m so heartbroken. lol

my comments about the people running this forum aren't a reflection upon alex jones unless you are directly carrying out these actions and bogus claims about cit's pentagon work at his command. if he is putting the words in your mouth for you and telling you to ban people who support this work then it can apply to him as well.

As mush as your paranoia and delusions control you I'm sorry to inform you that AJ giving me secret orders on how to deal with you doesn't exist, he has better things to do than deal with your internet message board BS.

Well there’s no paranoia or delusions then except the ones on your end since I said my statements were about the people running this forum and not Alex.

yes i would really like to look at some evidence.


so far i see you calling me a 'dikhead' and badmouthing cit and not addressing one single claim from any of their videos.

here's my shanksville work if you want to look at some 'evidence' : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FAF00C03EFC3E614

LOL...just can't help yourself can you? Is this about you or the truth movement and exposing 9/11? Nevermind I know the answer. I get it --you want attention and be known for "exposing 9/11"....yea I get it.

Is this about you or the truth movement and exposing the 911 lie? I don’t care to be known for anything to be honest. I just want people to hear the witnesses accounts and since the world is full of anonymous internet analysts afraid to do what Craig, Aldo, & myself have done it seems as though it will only happen if and when people like us make it happen.

how come when alex jones has april gallop on he says how obvious it is that NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON? 

He has no position on what hit the pentagon as far as I know, but I will agree he has given the impression he doesn't think an airliner hit.

Oh you’ll agree to that huh? He gives the impression he doesn’t think an airliner hit. I listened to the interview with April Gallop and I’m pretty convinced he doesn’t believe it for a second.

 

Neither did Hoffman at first and lots of others as well, but then weeded past the BS and changed their position just as others have when they gain more facts and stop getting fooled with BS scenarios, which is exactly what scares the heck out of you and pilots for truth. You both need to keep the myth of no plane hitting the building because if you don't you become obsolete which is a big reason why you spend your lives being ridiculed on boards, and refuse to ever admit that's what happened, your own egos are more important than the truth. You expose yourselves to those that pay attention.

lol….
Hoffman? Whoa, where did he come from? lol

alex jones & april gallop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoPwaoNe0kg

listen to all 4 parts and come back and tell me alex believes the official story of flight 77 a massive 757 hitting the pentagon, ok?

Tell me he believes your stupid fly over theory and why you're so pissed off he wont have you on the show.

Sounds like he doesn’t believe a 757 hit it. Maybe he hasn’t watched CIT’s work, maybe that’s why he hasn’t had CIT on. Or do you know he’s sat down and thorough examined all of CIT’s evidence in DC and Shanksville?

earlier 'scootle' tried to point out that none of the recovery workers supported cit. he was shown to be wrong.

now i will show everyone here that even a pentagon attack survivor, april gallop, supports cit :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUato7U5JY

So this proves your amazing magic trick at the pentagon?

It proves a survivor of the attack takes it real f**king seriously. Do you get that?

and you want to talk about some anonymous internet persona called "reprehensor"?

9/11 blogger has done more for 9/11 truth than you will ever dream of doing. And is proof that you are intent on causing disruption in the movement.

I’m talking about reprehensor.

lets talk about a non anonymous human being who was in the pentagon named april gallop. checkmate.

Why? So you can pretend you have credibility? checkmate? wtf?

Pretend? Which survivor supports your remote controlled plane impact theory? Or do you believe Hani piloted it in?
While you’re at it perhaps you can present the evidence you’ve uncovered showing a remote controlled 757 was slammed into the Pentagon for us all to examine?

as for why you banned me previously let's be honest about it, shall we?

Are you capable?

I am, you’re the one with credibility issues here…….

if we go to the shanksville forum we'll find the 4 threads i started there. one of them is missing a post from you where you complimented my work but i digress.....

Whatever....if you're talking about an interview with Wally Miller that is a good historical thing to have, of course you can't help yourself and have to come on the internet and say what a lier he is, cause that's what you guys do.

Whatever?
Lol
I’m talking about more than an interview with Wally Miller but if you want to side with the man who insists that Indian Lake is the same direction as the blast trajectory of the Shanksville crater into the woods then feel free to make a fool of yourself. I can outline the many inconsistencies with Wally Miller although I have never called him a liar.

then we go to the pentagon forum and find this :

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=41936.40
post #46 where i question how a second hand account from an anonymous source can be considered the be all end all for pentagon discussion and you pop up in post #47 and ban me.
post #48 is from another member of the forum who questions your actions and is ignored.

Yea so?

Yea so?
Yea so?
Is your water fluoridated?
I just outlined how you started the whole infighting. I just showed how I had not done a single thing wrong and was viciously attacked by you for no reason other than you didn’t like what I had to say although it wasn’t against the ToS here…….

i never broke a single rule while i was a member here. not one.

No just trying to tell people the old cab driver confessed and is an accomplice to mass murder. Either you deliberately misrepresented his words or you are an idiot. Frankly I consider you to be dumb and dishonest so I can't decide which it is.

Well did you pick up all these ad-hom’s studying the amazing work of Randi’s kids like scootle does?

yet you call me a 'dikhead'.

Yes that's true. You stand by your statement that 9/11 blogger is a compromised site and I stand by my dikhead comment in reference to you.

You’re a class act. Is this a reflection of the prison planet mod mentality? I sure hope not.

i'm not disrutping any forum here. i am engaging in debate and sharing of information.

Just as no planners and hologram fairies and space beam aleins.

Who are the “no planners”?
Are these the people who weren’t involved in planning the 9/11 attacks? Lol
CIT has something that no planers, hologram “fairies”, and space beam “aliens” don’t have : EYEWITNESSES.

when i watch loose change final cut i see my name twice in the credits and jimd3100's name is nowhere to be found. now why is that?

Because you are out for attention and making it obvious? You aren't suggesting Dylan Avery supports your argument are you? Are you? Are you?

Are you saying I begged Dylan, Jason, Korey, & Alex to put my names in the credits TWICE?
Are you?
Are you?
Are you saying that Dylan Avery has something negative to say about me or my Shanksville work?
Are you?
Are you?

you have no reason to ban me just like there were no reasons to ban anyone who supported cit's work except to force groupthink of this movement.

I can't ban anyone, I said I had you banned after I gave my recommendation.

Guess everyone knows where I’ll be tomorrow…….

to try to tell people that they can't tell whats reality when they're looking at it.

Or weeding out BS artists and no planners

Good luck exposing all those 9/11 “no planners” ….. lol

to tell people 911 is an inside job but leave the investigation to the professionals.

Are you my spokeman now? CIT did an excellent job of proving a large jet crashed into the pentagon, I will give them that, but that really doesn't help you or P4T since it would mean you were wrong and we certainly can't have that can we? So let's accuse and slander innocent citizens to make a name for ourselves....not something to be proud of but like I said....you have a different agenda.

Now everyone pay attention to the “accuse and slander innocent citizens” part and keep it in mind when you read the next part :

to insinuate roosevelt roberts is confused and lloyde england is senile when they don't support bush's fairytale.

Everyone knows Lloyd is easily confused and elderly

Now remember what I reminded you all to keep in mind seconds ago? Ok.
Wonder how Lloyde can still be a DC cabi if he is so “easily confused and elderly”? You make it out like the poor guy has Alzheimer’s…..

as Russell Pickering said when he was there...BTW here's another reason we don't care for you loons...Russell was an honest researcher that you loons to this day take great pride in accusing of being an "operative"...you know like 9/11 blogger, which drives rational truthfull people out of the movement to not have to deal with insane BS like you nuts  and no planners, and when you drive these honest rational people out with your constant drama and divisive accusations you are destroying the movement and leaving it to the die hard paranoid insane scenario BS attention seekers like yourself. Keep calling honest researchers "operatives" earn the dikhead name.....

I wonder why Alex Jones hasn’t let some “nuts and no planners” drive him out of the movement.
Why hasn’t any other REAL 911 TRUTHER BEEN DRIVEN OUT BY “NUTS AND NO PLANNERS”?
Russell Pickering was exposed by the Truth Movement. Is this what you’re bitter about?
After squirming his way into good standings with Dylan and Jason he did everything he could to get them to dismiss the work of CIT. He even invented that theory we see in LCFC of a small piece of a light pole going through Lloyde’s cab because he knew Lloyde’s story was bullshit.
No one embraced his invented theory though but after the release of LCFC he “retired” from the truth movement saying he had achieved all of his “goals” whatever that meant.

Russell Pickering who had the best pentagon research site and was doing great work until he got tired of dealing with loons like CIT......I'll let him speak from the past...

Do that. And thanks for including the link so people can see that real truthers like Woody Box and Undertow didn’t buy his bullshit and are still fighting for 9/11 truth unlike Russell who’s “retired” now.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=14657&st=0

and to stomp your boot on the back of anyone's neck who dare shows something to the contrary.

No, just insane attention seekers destroying the truth movement

Pot. Kettle. Black.

so let's get into this jimd. convince these people that a 757 flew the official mechanical damage path along the southside of the citgo station tearing lightpoles out of the ground and leveling off at just 2 feet off the ground by some incompetent jihadi. convince me that all these guys working at arlington national cemetary are wrong. convince me that it took roosevelt roberts a good 2-3 minutes to walk 7 steps to the dock door so he can see a c130[even though he states with certainty it was a commercial jet airliner]. that lloyde england really removed a 40 foot pole from his car before anyone could see it sticking out with the help of a silent stranger who felt it unnecessary to stay and fill out a report all the while without so much as putting a tiny little scratch on his hood.

I don't take dictation from you, don't bother trying to give me orders. The witnesses and the recovered parts, along with the testimony of rescue workers makes it pretty obvious a jetliner hit the building, the insanity of a flyover no one saw speaks for itself. Witnesses don't always get everything right and everyone knows it.

What recovered parts?
How much of a 757 was recovered?
A) 60 tons?
B) 80 tons?
C) 40 tons?
D) A few pieces for a photo op?
I’ll pick D
As for the witnesses, you’re right witnesses don’t always get everything right but when ALL the witnesses agree on certain parts then the logical conclusion is that they’re right.

its been 8 years show me something that proves the official story about a 757 hitting the pentagon is true.

You're not going to ever ever admit it happened because you'd be obsolete. It's a waste of time. I've already got posts on this board still explaining the size of the whole the construction of the pentagon, what rescue workers found on and on, and it doesn't matter you will never admit you are obsolete. You are a waste of time

Lol. You’re a joke.

april gallop doesn't believe it.
i watched alex's interview with her and it sure as hell appears that he doesn't believe it happened either.

I never heard them endorse your stupid theory.

You never heard April endorse CIT’s work?
Are you high?
Didn’t you admit to watching the video of her endorsing CIT’s work in this very post?

so if the plane all these people watched approach the pentagon didn't hit then what happened to it?

They watched it hit, and the evidence recovered confirms it. And the idea that a remote controlled plane would fly not into but over the pentagon and fool everyone like a magic trick is f***king stupid and lacks common sense and logic along with any witness. And to top it off they made a fake flight path just to somehow get an old cab driver involved just for laughs. Yea, sounds reasonable.

Remote control plane huh?

Ok, I’ll bite let me see the evidence that a remote controlled 757 hit the Pentagon. Let’s see your work on this Jim. Come on we’ll all be waiting for the evidence you’ve gathered that contradicts all these witnesses and proves a remote controlled plane flying the south side of the gas station tearing light poles out of the ground and leveling off at about 2 feet off the ground hit the pentagon.

[mym]

 

[DVD]

again the bottom line :

all the eyewitness accounts prove the plane passed over the navy annex and to the north side of the citgo.

number of witnesses to a south of citgo / light pole path confirmed on film still = 0

 

[phigsy]

again the bottom line :

all the eyewitness accounts prove the plane passed over the navy annex and to the north side of the citgo.

number of witnesses to a south of citgo / light pole path confirmed on film still = 0

 

I call that convincing. And just a note of appreciation for you taking the time to respond to each of those points/claims/personal insults with measured clarity. You've done your case a lot of good and given someone who hasn't really studied the Pentagon up to now a lot to think about. Cheers.

Now, moving on (finally).........

[Scootle]

[jannerbob]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141605

 Like i said Scootle i am honestly not educated enough to know the truth regarding 'nano thermate'.

 Sunstealer,s credentials University, Degree - metallurgy and materials engineering.WOW i am totally unimpressed.Sunstealer is the pseudo scientific bullshitter who came up with the primer paint scenario.The drivel he has just written flies in the face of the Harrit assertions that when the chips were exposed to a naked flame iron microspheres appeared at 700 degrees c.You do not need any degree to know that iron spheres can only occur at near 1500 degrees c,the melting temperature of iron.Also he is ignoring the thermal spike that occurred at 430 degrees c,typical of a nano thermitic reaction.So read what he says again on the basis that he has a bog standard degree,take out the insults,take out the pseudo scientific bullshit and what are you left with? a whole lot of nothing.This is a person with an over inflated ego,he offers opinion based on very little yet claims to understand more than seasoned university professors.Worse of all i personally debunked his paint claptrap and if i can do that he is in serious trouble.Lets wait for Sunstealer,s peer reviewed rebuttal of the Harrit paper except we may be waiting for a very long time,the educated can never outweigh the educators.It appears the attacks are based on Professor Jones and not Niels Harrit,weird considering Harrit is first author.Maybe the mild mannered professor is an easy target,maybe other countries do not treat their intelligentsia with such crass disdain.JREF is a forum of bottom feeders,patting each other on the bottom in an orgy of mass sycophancy.My advice is to take everything on that forum with scepticism,it appears to me to be a group of serial underachievers wallowing in the glory of being kings of their own domain,throwing out straw men,accusations,insults and histrionics like a bunch of dysfunctional, crack addled nerds with Tourettes syndrome,WANKERS!

[trailhound]

Why do Craig and Aldo NEED to attack me and Lloyd's story BUT yet are very willing to embrace the numerous contradictions and embellishments of Lagasse and the FACT it is on film Lagasse didn't even remember where he was parked?HuhHuh?

 Actually thats not really a fact. Lagasse did remember where he was parked after thinking about it. He says he had never been asked that question and never thought about it in 5 years.  When he started thinking about he remembered exactly what happened even that he backed out in great haste which the security camera shows. Attacking Lagasse's credibility is not your best argument.

jimd3001

the insanity of a flyover no one saw speaks for itself

 You have a good argument without making shit up Jim. Roosevelt, Maria the musician at arlington, and the other guy from arlington ,Mr Dihl who did not see it but claimed that witnesses he talked to immediately afterwards said a bomb went off and a jet kept going.

 Did anybody catch that History Channel show 'Thats Impossible' where they show a tank being made to disappear? I've been looking for it online to no avail.  
 

numerous contradictions and embellishments of Lagasse a

 Numerous contradictions One embellishment which he later clarified. He did not mean the jet literally blew him into the car, but that he was so shaken by it he instinctively jumped into his car for cover. As for other 'contradictions' i didnt notice could you elaborate?