Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[DVD]

I'll say it again, the CIT video provides actual evidence which would stand up in any unbiased court in the world.

now you understand why CIT is attacked.
now you understand why this campaign is being carried out against CIT.
now you understand why people want you to focus on unprovable claims about remote controlled planes, planes that explode prior to impact, missiles, & other unsubstantiated nonsense.

welcome to the truth movement. once you wake up you still have to wake up again.

[DVD]

I dont have an agenda... im a genuine truth seeker...

who finds alot of "great research" and "valuable information" from sites like jref and slc whose members you complimented.

[DVD]

Man, wtf. All the research CIT has done is some of the best EVER done on the Pentagon attacks. It SHOULD be on the front page of every Alex Jones site, if he is really the truth seeker he claims to be.

i agree with you completely.

and while i'm here let me ask you to take a look at the shanksville stuff and i think you will come to the same conclusion on it too.

[DVD]

How about interviewing the arlington fire department?

how about sitting down with bush cheney? think thats all it would take to make him confess?

where are all the fdny interviews on camera describing the bombs you believe were in the tower?

why aren't they talking?

why aren't you filming them or is it because you're afraid they won't agree with your belief about bombs in the towers?

[DVD]

VASTLY SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING DYLAN OR JASON DID!? ... U mean the people who interviewed Barry Jennings, Hani Hanjour's Flight instructor, April Gallop, John Shroeder, Willie Rodriguez, Willie's supervisor, Gordon Ross etc?

Yeh CIT are vastly superior ... what have those idiots ever done for the movement?!  

for starters they have provided 14 witnesses that prove the official story is a lie.

where is april gallop with loose change anyways?

april gallop supports the work of cit.

do you know why?

when alex had her on his show he mentioned several times how 'obvious' it was that a 757 did not hit the pentagon.

do you need links?

cit interviewed april gallop.

do you want proof?

and every member of cit is credited in loose change final cut in their respective area. hell i even got 2 credits in it.

note i did not say anything negative about loose change i am only replying to your ignorant comments.

... now I know you people are disinfo.

now everybody knows you are disinfo.

[DVD]

what is disingo anyways? 

[Mike Philbin]

this is a very sad sign, this CONTINUAL renaming of this thread, either intentional or accidental.

why do you say this, Mike?

well, for example, this morning, it took me ONE f**kING HOUR to log into this forum (which I really like) due to a FIREWALL WHICH IS DENYING ACCESS (that's what my Diagnose Problem report said) which suggests that there's REAL resistance aimed at keeping the members from contributing to their forum - I've never had such trouble with any other forum. EVER. this place is like falling apart all over the place, such that EVERY f**kING MORNING between 10 and 11 UKtime, I rarely get access to the forum. 

What's that all about?  Can someone not FIX that. Or stop taking Prison Planet Forumorum offline in those times?

once again, the renaming of this thread will prove to be just some MERGE ERROR -- if you're gonna be a mod, you better know how to merge properly i.e. retaining the CORRECT thread, and merging INTO that rather than merging ad hoc.

It's either that or there really is a disinfo agent with MOD POWER on this forum, and that's not a good sign -- and for that reason, I'll have to cut my ties with this forum  --   it's not secure.

[mr anderson]

I typed up a very good reply...so I'll try remember it.

We cannot know for certain what happened. It isn't possible for any of us to prove beyond a reasonable doubt any theory presented.

So in my opinion what we need to focus on is the Achilles heel of the Pentagon attack: The CCTV footage, 70-80 camera angles that haven't been released.

The 9/11 Commission and the now Former and Current Administrations could do themselves a favour in proving beyond reasonable doubt their so called 'Official version'.

Not releasing those tapes under the guise of national security raises questions.

I have recently changed my thoughts on the Pentagon attack - I need more evidence, ALL evidence to be presented to make a balanced judgement.

For those condemning those who believe a missile, fighter jet or 747 hit the Pentagon I suggest you don't speculate until we know the facts.

And I question why the title of this thread continually changes to reflect a bias opinion. Keep it neutral so a healthy debate on what we know now can take place and evidence that becomes apparent in the future can be discussed here without infighting.

[mym]

Hello,

I get confused everytime someone changes the title or merges one into another.  Stop playin with the titles or get organized.  Am starting to think that someone is doing these things on purpose to undermine the forum.

I also find it hard to sign in at times and the first thing that comes to my mind is that someone wants to get rid of this forum.  There must be information in here that someone wants gone.  I really honestly think that this forum is under attack the majority of the time.  Weirdos come and go, hack jobs in the making, attacks on facts, etc.

We all should be careful


mym

[phasma]

REINSTATE THE ORIGINAL TITLE !!! IT BETTER DESCRIBES THE CONTENT AND MAKES OUR MESSAGES SKEWED TO A DIRECTION I DO NOT APPRECIATE !!!!!!

ANYONE ELSE?

[911analyzer]

Wow. For someone to call CIT, or anyone who follows CIT's research disinfo, is the biggest lie ever told. Oh dear. Here we go again, wishing you would march your ass down to the pentagon and tell the two pentagon police officers they are disinfo too while you're at it. But you don't quite have the cajones for that, now do ya? Didn't think so.

How can physically going to Arlington, taking video of actual eyewitnesses, and getting them to draw and sign statements that show what they witnessed and where, possibly be disinfo? Huh? WTF are you? An idiot? Does the truth scare you that bad? Then you're in the wrong line of research, pal. Get a grip. CIT researched this with a "let the chips fall where they may" attitude, all the way 100%. It's not their fault the official story is BS.

I am glad that I am not alone here in realizing the value of their research, which they provide for free I might add. And even in the case that anyone cares to buy actual videos, LOOK at what they are charging, for Christ sakes! PEANUTS! Near cost! WTF more can anyone ask of 9/11 researchers?

DVD, yes of course I have seen all Domenick's stuff too. Believe me, it is not me that needs to be convinced here. I am with Craig and Aldo, and Domenick all the way. Always have been since I saw the PentaCon. I cherish what they do and hold them in the highest esteem. But it pains me for sure to see this research stacked in some disinfo forum and thread on Alex's forum, when I have spent YEARS listening to Alex and following his work. This is just not right man. In fact, I'm f**king furious about it, to be honest. I've never called Alex's show, but this is giving me good reason to be put at the top of the line for disagreeing with him. And at this point I'd have a very hard time believing Alex has not seen any of CIT's stuff. In fact, I wouldn't believe it, given that Dylan knows Craig, and the chances are near 100% that Dylan and Alex have discussed CIT's work at one time or the other.

Ok, I will retract my statement that CIT's work is VASTLY superior. I agree, that is exaggerated and I apologize. But I will argue to the end that it is at least as good, and it deserves better attention than it is getting here, stuck in some disinfo thread. That is total BS.  

Is Steven Jones's study on unreacted thermite in the dust particles stronger? Maybe slightly, if we are sticking to sheer science. But even that has had its issues with the oxygen problem, so it isn't necessarily totally reliable. But keep in mind that much science and logical reasoning is applied just as well in CIT's work with the ASCE building performance report, RADES data, FDR data, flight path vectors and everything else. I think they both have their merits, and more importantly both may stand as evidence in any court of law. In that regard, the eyewitness testimony may even hold a slight advantage. So no, I am not going to just toss CIT's work based upon which is "scientifically" stronger. We need all of it. And frankly, how about let's stop the bickering and all focus on demanding the one thing we can all find common ground on: A NEW INVESTIGATION!

Also, thanks element for taking the words right out of my mou....typing... What he said...  

[Scootle]

Hmm ... 3 newbies who are die hard CIT followers sign up to this forum to rabbidly defend them and make them out to be the best thing for the 9/11 truth movement ... yeh coz that's not a hallmark of disinfo... you people are like a cult.

[Mike Philbin]

this from a non-NOOB

CIT presented some very good EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY, period. It was what investigative journalism should be about. They even (though a bit aggressively, doggedly would be kinder) got the AMAZING SCOOP that Lloyde English was part of a LARGER CONSPIRACY "from the horse's mouth". Rare as hen's teeth. We should applaud their tenacity in getting to the truth.

Mike
PS: actually, the evidential system isn't even about THE TRUTH, it's just about findings the concur with your hypothesis. We can never really know THE TRUTH about 9/11 until the people involved spill the beans. That ain't gonna happen. So we need to rely on 'evidence' to point towards the culprits.

[phasma]

Hmm ... 3 newbies who are die hard CIT followers sign up to this forum to rabbidly defend them and make them out to be the best thing for the 9/11 truth movement ... yeh coz that's not a hallmark of disinfo... you people are like a cult.

Scootle, that a bit harsh !
CIT have only ever tried to do good for the truth movement, they have done decent research, why are you so set against them?

[mr anderson]

I typed up a very good reply...so I'll try remember it.

We cannot know for certain what happened. It isn't possible for any of us to prove beyond a reasonable doubt any theory presented.

So in my opinion what we need to focus on is the Achilles heel of the Pentagon attack: The CCTV footage, 70-80 camera angles that haven't been released.

The 9/11 Commission and the now Former and Current Administrations could do themselves a favour in proving beyond reasonable doubt their so called 'Official version'.

Not releasing those tapes under the guise of national security raises questions.

I have recently changed my thoughts on the Pentagon attack - I need more evidence, ALL evidence to be presented to make a balanced judgement.

For those condemning those who believe a missile, fighter jet or 747 hit the Pentagon I suggest you don't speculate until we know the facts.

And I question why the title of this thread continually changes to reflect a bias opinion. Keep it neutral so a healthy debate on what we know now can take place and evidence that becomes apparent in the future can be discussed here without infighting.

Adding onto that.

It does a disservice to all that question the events of 9/11 to have cliche groups that tell others what is credible and what isn't based on the approach they take.

Group A won't publish Group B's findings, Group C gets behind A, Group D gets behind B and the goal of divide and conquer is accomplished.

That's the problem again with not knowing ALL the facts and basing our judgements on speculation, theories & assumptions.

It's time to address the facts and not divisions and opinions of the petty few who want to be hip in the 9/11 cliches.

[Mike Philbin]

All the facts, and just the facts. Perfect.

 

[mym]

Hello,

Is something up with the server or is it mine.  agh..."network timeout" I constantly get!  It is so aggrivating!

All the facts, and just the facts. Perfect.

EXECELLENT! 

hmmm suggestion:  Can someone that is very informed about the truth of 9/11 present a list here so we can all get organized - WITH FACTS ONLY?  I would but I am not that informed and lack information pertaining to many situations.  Thanks



mym

[phasma]

mym, the forum slowing down and stopping happens daily at this time, annoying isnt it ! WISH SOMENE WOULD FIX THIS !!!

[Brocke]

mym, the forum slowing down and stopping happens daily at this time, annoying isnt it ! WISH SOMENE WOULD FIX THIS !!!

It's admin backing up the site. It's probably automatic. For the USA it's 6am so they don't notice. 

[Scootle]

Its not that I hate CIT specifically... I hate Pentagon no-AA77 / flyover theories full stop...

Remember a few months ago when a woman went on a radio show and said "we have some actual proof that homeland security may be transporting bird flu" which went mega viral and then Alex exposed it as a hoax... he wen on a rant about we have this mental illness where we love speculation and ignore the proof.. well he's right... it's our nature and they know its our nature ... that's why these do these psy-ops on us. And the Pentagon vagueness is in itself a huge psy-op... As James Meigs of Popular Mechanics has said many times "Conspiracy theorists love a vacuum".

The Pentagon discussions is a perfect example of that ... pointless debates which only discredit the movement. And in a few months or a few years time they will probably release a video of AA77 hitting the pentagon and make a big deal over it and discredit the entire movement and we'll only have ourselves to blame for falling into their trap... this is why most of the key figures in 9/11 truth are distancing themselves from pentagon theories.

[phasma]

we should have a list of things we know and agree on for putting arguments to new ppl, that way they wont be able to say you say this but so and so says that . . . etc.

[mym]

Yes, especially for newcomers so they don't blast in and try to disrupt the forum into nonsense that has already been proven factual.

I would love to have a reference to fall back on in the forum for I constantly try to tell people and refer them here but it is extremely confusing at times and they come back and give me excuses for "its all chaotically opinionated and don't exactly know what is proof to what is propaganda and many people don't like to sit and read useless opinions that don't get anywhere.


wonder if anyone is up for the job lol


mym

[Scootle]

Here's a thread jimd3100 started a few months in the Pentagon section debunking all the disinfo.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=103918.0

I only just noticed it now.

[DVD]

Hmm ... 3 newbies who are die hard CIT followers sign up to this forum to rabbidly defend them and make them out to be the best thing for the 9/11 truth movement ... yeh coz that's not a hallmark of disinfo... you people are like a cult.

"cult"

do i have to post links showing how many times our enemies [scootle's jref & slc heroes] use the word "cult" to describe CIT and anyone who supports them?

scootle's true colors shine brightly.

i hope all the lurkers take note that he does not directly reply to anything i say.

its like he can't see the post at the top of this page proving he's full of shit.

[phigsy]

Remember a few months ago when a woman went on a radio show and said "we have some actual proof that homeland security may be transporting bird flu" which went mega viral and then Alex exposed it as a hoax...

.....because she didn't provide any proof. CIT have.

As James Meigs of Popular Mechanics has said many times "Conspiracy theorists love a vacuum".

You're quoting who to prove a point?

... pointless debates which only discredit the movement.

If that's your real opinion you're not in the same 'movement' as me. And what possible excuse could they provide for having not released the full footage all this time (when they went so far as to release a couple of frames)? It would simply create the counter argument that they've had plenty of time to doctor it. I think it was someone further back in this very thread who showed how easily it could be done.

[Scootle]

i hope all the lurkers take note that he does not directly reply to anything i say.

its like he can't see the post at the top of this page proving he's full of shit.

Your right I'm sorry ... I made an uninformed statement ... I went to the firefighters for truth petition and didn't see any from virginia so I assumed that none of the arlington firefighters supported CIT ... I take back that statement... you seee this is what I do... when new evidence comes along that challenges my theories I go back and I incorporate it into a new theory ... it's called the scientific method... the majority of the people in the 9/11 truth movement who use the scientific method believe a plane hit the pentagon... wonder why that is...

[DVD]

Wow. For someone to call CIT, or anyone who follows CIT's research disinfo, is the biggest lie ever told. Oh dear. Here we go again, wishing you would march your ass down to the pentagon and tell the two pentagon police officers they are disinfo too while you're at it. But you don't quite have the cajones for that, now do ya? Didn't think so.

no. someone displays the same cowardice of those whom they act like a mockingbird for.

one of the biggest attackers of cit's work is the anonymous blogger "Arabesque".

this rebuttal to him illustrates how sad his and the mockingbirds argument against the work of cit is.

How can physically going to Arlington, taking video of actual eyewitnesses, and getting them to draw and sign statements that show what they witnessed and where, possibly be disinfo?

it can't.

Huh? WTF are you? An idiot? Does the truth scare you that bad? Then you're in the wrong line of research, pal. Get a grip. CIT researched this with a "let the chips fall where they may" attitude, all the way 100%. It's not their fault the official story is BS.

idiot? i would say no to that one.

attempting to convince people that "there's nothing to see here"? sure.

spreading disinfo? sure.

but i don't think scootle is an idiot.

i think "scootle" is one of randi's kids wearing a "9/11 was an inside jobby job" shirt to gain credibility, infiltrate, disrupt, & divide. he is not the only one doing such but definitely the most obvious.

DVD, yes of course I have seen all Domenick's stuff too. Believe me, it is not me that needs to be convinced here. I am with Craig and Aldo, and Domenick all the way. Always have been since I saw the PentaCon. I cherish what they do and hold them in the highest esteem. But it pains me for sure to see this research stacked in some disinfo forum and thread on Alex's forum, when I have spent YEARS listening to Alex and following his work. This is just not right man. In fact, I'm f**king furious about it, to be honest. I've never called Alex's show, but this is giving me good reason to be put at the top of the line for disagreeing with him. And at this point I'd have a very hard time believing Alex has not seen any of CIT's stuff. In fact, I wouldn't believe it, given that Dylan knows Craig, and the chances are near 100% that Dylan and Alex have discussed CIT's work at one time or the other.

well then you most likely won't find this to be too reassuring then.....

alex jones and dylan avery had the susan mcelwain interview from on location in shanksville months before the public ever seen it.

dylan also joined craig & aldo on their first trip to arlington. they were also joined by us gov operative russell pickering, who after convincing dylan to exclude craig & aldo's research from lcfc in favor of a pro-impact theory, "retired" from 9/11 truth stating he had 'accomplished all his goals' in regards to 9/11 research.

i'm not going to speak for aldo & craig but i will say it is absolutely heartbreaking to be motivated by such people, to be inspired by such people that you try to find some way to help in such a huge important cause to all of mankind and then uncover without a doubt jawdropping eyewitness accounts only to have those who you admired and respected ignore it and suppress it.

[DVD]

Your right I'm sorry ... I made an uninformed statement ... I went to the firefighters for truth petition and didn't see any from virginia so I assumed that none of the arlington firefighters supported CIT ... I take back that statement... you seee this is what I do... when new evidence comes along that challenges my theories I go back and I incorporate it into a new theory ... it's called the scientific method... the majority of the people in the 9/11 truth movement who use the scientific method believe a plane hit the pentagon... wonder why that is...

just to note that isn't 'new' evidence. that has been around for years now.

you might not learn about it on slc or jref but it has been up on the pentacon since the release of the pentacon or very shortly thereafter.

maybe if you didn't learn about cit and their research from the people who claim we're going to round them up for executions when the truth becomes acknowledged fact you would have a different perspective on all of this.

as for me not only have i had the opportunity to watch all of this unfold over the last 3 years but i have also had the chance to be involved with all of the parties discussed so i can bring a perspective to this discussion that no one else can.

if someone really wanted to they could go to the pentagon forums of the 1st two loose change forums and research it and learn how every little detail of this whole event played out.

[DVD]

Its not that I hate CIT specifically... I hate Pentagon no-AA77 / flyover theories full stop...

well there are 9/11 theories i don't support but i dont spend my time attacking such theories. instead i find ways to postively contribute to the cause.

perhaps you could better spend your time proving how 911 was an inside jobby job instead of attempting to cause division on something that every truther recognizes when they see it : the truth.

The Pentagon discussions is a perfect example of that ... pointless debates which only discredit the movement. And in a few months or a few years time they will probably release a video of AA77 hitting the pentagon and make a big deal over it and discredit the entire movement and we'll only have ourselves to blame for falling into their trap...

hey scootle 2003 just called and said they wanted their "the government is going to release a video proving the plane hit" line back. they said it is so outdated.

this is why most of the key figures in 9/11 truth are distancing themselves from pentagon theories.

yes thats it scootle. keep telling yourself that.

its like those that cling to the 19 arabs theory because the other possibility is just too horrific for them to handle.

but it seems that a lot of people here are awake and know that sometimes the real truth is real ugly and is horrific but must be faced.

you're still refusing to face it.

[Scootle]

Right yeh ... look at my youtube videos in my signature... Im a real debunker aren't I...

You see I'm a genuine truth seeker who actually looks at the other side and if they provide evidence that debunks or explains some of my evidence then I alter my arguements accordingly... I'm very neutrally minded when it comes to 9/11 truth ... I go where the evidence takes me...



Here's the evidence... now start a fresh an go where it takes you ...

Here's a thread jimd3100 started a few months in the Pentagon section debunking all the disinfo.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=103918.0

I only just noticed it now.

The fact that your accusing me of being one of Randi's boys just proves your a troll... many people on this forum will tell you thats bollocks.

[Mike Philbin]

I go where the evidence takes me...

You say that like it means something, but this evidence should take you to the north side of CitGO, it didn't. Your link about MANEOUVRABILITY of 757 only lends more weight to the 757 flyby - it does EXACTLY what a low-speed, low-level fly-by would illustrate.

Why do you (irrationally) hate FLYBY so much? 757 did NOT hit Pentagon. Pentagon came in from north side of Citgo. Path through Pentagon and poles DOES NOT support this line of approach.

Sorry, you're making a mockery of this whole video - which doesn't do it, you, or the truth movement justice. And you don't even have hearsay evidence that CIT is a setup, frame job to confuse the truthers. There is none. Fact.

[DVD]

Right yeh ... look at my youtube videos in my signature... Im a real debunker aren't I...

You see I'm a genuine truth seeker who actually looks at the other side and if they provide evidence that debunks or explains some of my evidence then I alter my arguements accordingly... I'm very neutrally minded when it comes to 9/11 truth ... I go where the evidence takes me...



Here's the evidence... now start a fresh an go where it takes you ...

The fact that your accusing me of being one of Randi's boys just proves your a troll... many people on this forum will tell you thats bollocks.

post #372

element stop posting CIT propaganda ... when the CIT guys live up to the I in their name and interview some of the ACFD firefighters who were there picking up pieces of little girls from the plane then maybe i'll listen... until then I consider them nothing more than the Cabdriver Harassment Team.

post#378

Yes every talking point i've raised so far is from JREF and SLC... u know why? ... because even tho when it comes to the world trade center these people seem to be in mass thermite denial... when it comes to pentagon research, the JREFers put david ray griffin to shame...I go on the JREF forum and SLC blog every day to see what the shills are talking about... i dont post, I just read... most of their posts are filled with ad-hominem attacks and pseudo-science but when it comes to quotes and facts their research is top notch. Mark Roberts may be a piece of trash who's betraying humanity but the man sure know's his stuff when it comes to first responder testimony.

post#381

Take ur divide and conquer BS elsewhere troy.

thats my personal fave the one where you called me "troy".

post#391

The presentation, right or wrong, is good up until the point they start harassing Lloyd... in the full version of the Lloyd interview they got kind of forceful with him - frustratingly saying "tell us what happened" at one point... they recorded him without his consent and they accused him of being part of a coverup when it could just be sinility or something ... I find this particularly disturbing ... In a few months time it wouldnt suprise me if he was killed by "a loony truther no-planer" and Glenn Beck goes on air defaming us more... I just think what they did was too far... they should have just have not gone there and waited for a real investigation...

post#398

The majority of the evidence at the scene points towards it hitting... with some anomolies that may indicate additional foul play ... CIT's alternate flight path and Pilotsfortruth's mathematics, if correct, prove it couldn't have hit in which case we have a conundrum ... the Arlington County Firefighters can fix that ... and have ... it hit! Until CIT interviews a firefighter who says otherwise, that's where I stand.

the majority of the evidence indicates the towers collapsed due to structural failuer caused by impacting jet airliners and fuel.

the "twoofers" say there were bombs in the wtc.

the fdny can fix this debate....and have!  there were no bombs!!!!

until some "twoofers" interview some fdny who say otherwise thats where i stand!!!!

right "scootle"?

i don't need to ask anyone about your credibility. it is glaring in every post you type.

[Mike Philbin]

I think it's really unfair to call Scootle an enemy of the truth or some Jref'r plant, I just want to know why he's SO AGAINST any north Citgo gas station evidence - you'd imagine he'd WELCOME evidence.

The eye witness evidence provided in this video - if he has evidence about CIT being a psyop, then show it.

*shrugs*

[Scootle]

the majority of the evidence indicates the towers collapsed due to structural failuer caused by impacting jet airliners and fuel.

the "twoofers" say there were bombs in the wtc.

the fdny can fix this debate....and have!  there were no bombs!!!!

until some "twoofers" interview some fdny who say otherwise thats where i stand!!!!

right "scootle"?

i don't need to ask anyone about your credibility. it is glaring in every post you type.

That argument doesnt apply here since all the physical evidence of the tower collapses point towards demolition ... also I don't believe there were bombs in the buildings... thermite demolition charges: yes ... random bombs: no ... all the "explosions" people heard were just things falling. The "bombs" ... like the pentagon no-plane theories ... are a distraction in my opinion.

http://911review.com/errors/wtc/preimpact.html
http://911review.com/errors/wtc/basementbombs.html

All the physical evidence inside the pentagon's interior points towards a large passenger airliner hitting. If a few witnesses give a different flight path so what ... some witnesses say they saw a helicopter lol... the people with the best idea as to what happened would be the first responders who pulled engine parts out of columns and picked up pieces of chairs and luggage with burnt body parts attached and had to use shoring lumber to hold the buiding up coz the columns were so damaged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVS8kdTCLFQ

[Mike Philbin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVS8kdTCLFQ

don't wanna put a dampener on your Youtube link but Discovery Channel supports the NIST version of WTC 1 and 2, right?

and STEEL REINFORCING COLUMN CAGE containing no concrete would point to HIGH EXPLOSIVE not jet impact, no?

[DVD]

I think it's really unfair to call Scootle an enemy of the truth or some Jref'r plant, I just want to know why he's SO AGAINST any north Citgo gas station evidence - you'd imagine he'd WELCOME evidence.

The eye witness evidence provided in this video - if he has evidence about CIT being a psyop, then show it.

*shrugs*

you do see though the argument he's laying out which i clearly illustrated here :

The majority of the evidence at the scene points towards it hitting... with some anomolies that may indicate additional foul play ... CIT's alternate flight path and Pilotsfortruth's mathematics, if correct, prove it couldn't have hit in which case we have a conundrum ... the Arlington County Firefighters can fix that ... and have ... it hit! Until CIT interviews a firefighter who says otherwise, that's where I stand.

the majority of the evidence indicates the towers collapsed due to structural failuer caused by impacting jet airliners and fuel.

the "twoofers" say there were bombs in the wtc.

the fdny can fix this debate....and have!  there were no bombs!!!!

until some "twoofers" interview some fdny who say otherwise thats where i stand!!!!

i also only resorted to accusing him of such after he called cit's work 'propaganda' and called them the 'cabbie harassment team'.

of course this leads to him admitting that he spends everyday at jref and slc and then proceeds to compliment cia spook mark roberts along with the "research" of randi's kids.

a spade is a spade and im calling this cat a spade.

thats my opinion based on his words and his actions.

i have clearly outlined reasons to be suspicious of him in this very thread.

[DVD]

That argument doesnt apply here since all the physical evidence of the tower collapses point towards demolition ...

please list "all the physical evidence" that "points" towards a demolition.

 

All the physical evidence inside the pentagon's interior points towards a large passenger airliner hitting.

really?

what is all the physical evidence inside the pentagon's interior that you are talking about?

 

the people with the best idea as to what happened would be the first responders who pulled engine parts out of columns and picked up pieces of chairs and luggage with burnt body parts attached and had to use shoring lumber to hold the buiding up coz the columns were so damaged.

are you the same guy that mentioned someone picking up "pieces of a little girl" too which there is no proof for?

the pentagon was full of desks and chairs so finding pieces of chairs doesn't prove a 757 to me.....

a good 50-60 tons of debris from a 757 would prove a 757 to me.

a video of a 757 hitting the pentagon would prove a 757 to me.

the bush administration and some usa today/gannet/army times people claiming it to be doesn't prove a 757 to me.

[phasma]

In addition, that area was closed off, perfectly possible to plant stuff in there and then blow it up making it look like it hit !

[Scootle]

I vote for a title change: Prison Planet Forum Members Versus Scootle

please list "all the physical evidence" that "points" towards a demolition.

So now your denying demolition are you? Some truther you are!

Okay... since this is my area of expertise I will

1) South Tower Symmetry: The south tower began to tilt approaching an angle of 22 degrees before dissapearing in a cloud of dust... views from lower down though show that the building was being destroyed SYMMETRICALLY ... think about it ... how can a block falling at an angle, with its center of mass greatly shifted over destroy the lower floors symmetrically. In a natural collapse the angular momentum would have caused the upper block to eventually topple over.

2) Acceleration: As David Chandler and others have demonstrated, the North tower begins to fall at a constant rate of around 2/3 freefall acceleration ... meaning that as the upper 15 floor block strikes the floor immediately below, it not only does not slow down ... it speeds up! ... which violates newtons third law and the conservation of momentum. Not only that but the upper 15 floors don't actually stay as one block... they crush themselves in a bottom up fashion before the rest of the building gets destroyed.

3) Energy:

- i) The concrete in the towers, and virtually everything else including people was completely pulverized.

- ii) The dust generated from said pulverized concrete expanded to huge volumes that blanketted lower manhatten.

- iii) The steel was completely shredded.

All this requires energy, and supposedly the only source of energy is the gravitational potential energy of the building... when an object falls its GP energy is converted into kinetic energy. If there is other things it has to do such as crush steel, pulverize concrete etc then less energy is available for conversion to kinetic energy. Not only did all three of these things occur ... but there was enough energy LEFT OVER to fall at near freefall rate. This is impossible... the energy exceeds the amount of GP energy in the building... there must have been extra amount of energy.

4) Horizontal Ejections: Huge steel beams were flung laterally up to 600 feet, hitting nearby buildings such as 3WFC, Winter Gardens, Deutchebank and of course WTC7 ... one particular piece of steel that hit building 7 has been estimated to have weighed at least 10 tonnes and was travelling at 60 to 70 mph. The amount of energy required to do that is comparible to the amount of energy a formula one car has at speeds of over 200mph. Kinetic energy is a vector quantity ... meaning direction matters... there was lots of energy acting downwards... but where did all the perpendicular energy come from?

5) Forensic evidence: Even though the fires only covered about 5% of the building tops, the entire debris pile was cooking after the collapse... where did all this additional heat come from? Why was it so hot? Why did it burn so long - even with heavy rainfall and a constant stream of fire retardants spraying it? Molten iron also dripped from the south tower prior to the collapse and formerly molten iron spheres and molybdenum (the melting point of which exceeds 4000 degrees fahrenheit) spheres were found in the dust. Red chips of unreacted nanothermite have also been found in the dust - proving beyond all doubt it was demolished. Interestingly the worlds leading experts of nanothermite just happened to be involved in the NIST investigations and the only reliable source of nanoaluminums prior to 9/11 - the Indian Head Naval Surface Warfare Center, in response to a recent FOIA claimed there is no evidence that they were involved in nanoenergetics even though anti_illuminati and kevin ryan have found documents proving it.

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All this has been scientifically proven ... all this can be used in a court of law to convict the bastards responsible... all CIT have is a few witnesses who recollect a different flight path - they prove nothing... and most of the evidence at the scene debunks them.

So to quote paraphrase Bill Hicks can we just stop pointless debating, take a look at this pentagons stuff again and say "oh it's a piece of shit!"

[mym]

when I listen to all of yall it gets really confusing lol

what's the bottom line...explosions? demolition? debris? remote controls? planes-big/small? air control? witnesses? videos?


It's gettin harder to understand when yall are goin so much in depth with everything (am not scientist lol)  (Sometimes ya just gotta be "frank and blunt" for us-me-and many simple minded people who want to understand the truth.)