Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[Mike Philbin]

Did you notice the witness interviewed in that segment said it was a small plane? @ 2 Minutes in to this vid.

SMALL PLANE ... concur.

[Scootle]

If you accept the officially stated required manoeuvre of a full size commercial jet to hit the Pentagon was impossible by human hand, you've got to assume it would be impossible via remote as well.

Not neccesarily ... hitting the world trade center at 500mph would be impossible for a human ... experienced pilots with thousands of hours eperience have tried hitting the wtc at those speeds in simulators, none have been able to ... that doesnt mean there were no planes at the towers... its not aerodynamically impossible its just beyond the capability of humans... the G-Force generated by pulling up out of the 540mph dive into the light poles exceeds anything a human can withstand ... but a 757 can withstand it... if it was programmed to fly into it it would be able to

[trailhound]

 I guess Scootle has an agenda and the whole truth isnt on it.

[Scootle]

I dont have an agenda... im a genuine truth seeker...

Watch this video ... its an exerpt from the discovery propaganda piece "The Towers and the Pentagon"... but it has some good footage and photos of the Pentagon's interior in the days following the attacks which I had never seen before ... seems like alot of damage for just a small plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVS8kdTCLFQ

[tritonman]

I have heard an airforce pilot describe how the awacs that were in the air around the area could have flown the jets remotely.

[KiwiClare]

Mike Philbin

this is a vain effort to get the TITLE of this thread back to what it was before, namely:

Re: Must See Documentary On The Pentagon Attack (new)

I'll let mods know about this, too. I do no like the idea of TITLEs being renamed without the NECESSARY evidence to justify such.

I didn't change it and if it wasn't jimd, it must have been one of the higher ups.  I haven't watched it yet, as I have slow broadband, so may I suggest you mention it to Sane.

[phigsy]

seems like alot of damage for just a small plane.

I'm assuming, given you accept what occurred at the WTC, that you think there were most certainly explosives rigged at the Pentagon? The prospect of them leaving something of this magnitude to chance is laughable.

But in a really unfunny kind of way.

[mym]

Hello,

yeah, I am wondering if the planes could have been hijacked controlled by remotes....any comments on this?  They do testing in this way with some aircraft (think I saw it on youtube can't remember).


mym

[Mike Philbin]

Mods: thanks for reverting this merged thread to its original title.

[phasma]

Hello,

yeah, I am wondering if the planes could have been hijacked controlled by remotes....any comments on this?  They do testing in this way with some aircraft (think I saw it on youtube can't remember).


mym

Yeah they can - even the giant airbus can be flown from the ground !

[mym]

thanks

how many of yall think (in percentages) that this could have happened?

[phasma]

Who knows. Anything is possible.

The depths they will sink to is unfathomable, so as far as i`m concerned anything is possible !

[Mike Philbin]

More then their effects on the globe. I wanna know about THEY. In case we're aiming at the 'wrong' Elites, the stooge Elites who're sent to Bilderberg to be a target for global hate.

Maybe we don't know of the real Elites yet - Bill Gates was a shock for me. Has anyone interviewed RICHARD BRANSON on the issue of New World Order? He used to be a bit of a hippie but you never know.

Surely there'll be reps from Japan, China, Russia, etc... in the Global Elite. It's Global. Unless this is what war is. This is really going into James Bond territory, and that's why I don't NECESSARILY trust any of the findings so far.

[mym]

Yeah I feel the same.

I have been watching a lot of those dvd's again and man, been dreamin of Alex n "his team" and they were trying to defeat The Bilderberg "secret society" and were tryin to contact them then somehow tryin to break the code (guess my dreams are "codadic" lol)....then bombs goin off and Michael J comes in the dream and then 9/11.  lol (who knows) lol

I wouldn't put anything passed them.


mym

[phigsy]

It's fairly clear that the WTC planes were remote piloted (assuming you don't believe they were holograms!). It's therefore logical to assume the same technique was used at the Pentagon with the, what I'm now favouring as, the 'flyover' plane. If a smaller craft actually impacted the side of the building it appears clear that would also have to have been remote flown.

As to the question of whether any of them were indeed the supposed commercial flights, and whether, if they were, they had passengers on them, I'd point you to the discussion in the comments section beneath the David Kelly story on Infowars to get an idea of some of the issues related to that.  

Be warned; that really is a rabbit hole.........

[911analyzer]

Man, wtf. All the research CIT has done is some of the best EVER done on the Pentagon attacks. It SHOULD be on the front page of every Alex Jones site, if he is really the truth seeker he claims to be. Clearly there is something else going on here, for this to end up in "Faux Controversies." I won't speculate as to what that something else is, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there is another agenda being played out here.

Alex is accused of running interference for the Vatican. Something I am starting to really believe. Bill Cooper called him a shill, and accused him of being a CIA agent. Another thing I am starting to believe. But this latest stunt of effectively trashing CIT's work is over the top. I have lost all respect. And this is from an almost daily AJ radio show listener here. I used to believe, and have followed Alex for years. But this is too much. 

[trailhound]

Man, wtf. All the research CIT has done is some of the best EVER done on the Pentagon attacks. It SHOULD be on the front page of every Alex Jones site, if he is really the truth seeker he claims to be. Clearly there is something else going on here, for this to end up in "Faux Controversies." I won't speculate as to what that something else is, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there is another agenda being played out here.

Alex is accused of running interference for the Vatican. Something I am starting to really believe. Bill Cooper called him a shill, and accused him of being a CIA agent. Another thing I am starting to believe. But this latest stunt of effectively trashing CIT's work is over the top. I have lost all respect. And this is from an almost daily AJ radio show listener here. I used to believe, and have followed Alex for years. But this is too much.

 To my knowledge Alex hasnt said anything about CIT. 

[Mike Philbin]

you're right, I didn't even notice that one - maybe it's where the merged file used to live.

IMHO (and I'll make it happen) this excellent investigation needs to be in

9/11/2001 Attacks Were An Inside Job > 9/11 Material & Research > Documentaries
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=353.0

[911analyzer]

To my knowledge Alex hasnt said anything about CIT. 

Bingo. Yeah, well why not, when Craig has clearly gone out of his way to really research this, at his own expense, and all the way from California mind you. He has kept speculation to a minimum, and gotten real eyewitnesses on camera. You want real research? Then visit his site, and go through it with a fine tooth comb. NSA is really just a summary video. But all the supporting, much more extensive research is right there to back it up. Here, let me make this easy on you:

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/morevideos.html

[Scootle]

I think its coz Alex, like many credible truth seekers, try to stick to what they can prove. Richard Gage, Stephen Jones, Kevin Ryan all keep their opinions about what happened at the Pentagon secret coz they dont want to discredit themselves.. the Pentagon attack is clearly a psy-op regardless of whether or not AA77 hit it... they want us to bicker endlessly on things that can't really be proven either way intead of focussing on the hard scientific proof at the world trade center.. lets just focus on the scientific proof of thermite for now and then look into the Pentagon when we get a real investigation mmm'kay?

[element]

you're right, I didn't even notice that one - maybe it's where the merged file used to live.

IMHO (and I'll make it happen) this excellent investigation needs to be in

9/11/2001 Attacks Were An Inside Job > 9/11 Material & Research > Documentaries
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=353.0

I agree.  That's where it was pinned for a couple weeks and that's where it deserves to be.  If going to Arlington and filming detailed, on location eyewitness interviews does not qualify as "9/11 research" I don't know what does.

[Scootle]

I agree.  That's where it was pinned for a couple weeks and that's where it deserves to be.  If going to Arlington and filming detailed, on location eyewitness interviews does not qualify as "9/11 research" I don't know what does.

How about interviewing the arlington fire department?

[911analyzer]

How about interviewing the arlington fire department?

Yeah, well I am sure Craig and Aldo would be most happy to oblige. And should any of the Arlington Fire Department happen to be reading this, and haven't been paid "hush" money, or told to shut up because otherwise they'll lose their jobs, they should know that Craig will be there very soon, July 11, along with P4T at the conference.

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/news.html

So it is a timely opportunity, for any that have the balls to do so.

[Mike Philbin]

SMALL PLANE ... concur.

nah, calling school-boy-error on my own concurrence ... if it was a SMALL PLANE, its wings wouldn't have been WIDE ENOUGH to knock over both poles. It only works if flight 77 came screaming in on its 500 mph straightline path that close to the ground, which we all know is f**kING IMPOSSIBLE because of ground effect and dutch roll.

[Scootle]

It only works if flight 77 came screaming in on its 500 mph straightline path that close to the ground, which we all know is f**kING IMPOSSIBLE because of ground effect and dutch roll.

Actually its not

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/groundeffect.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/waketurbulence.html

[Mike Philbin]

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/groundeffect.html

I like this part of that page, "Solution: Nose down to compensate for ground effect." but it was so low it barely kept its HUGE ENGINES from grinding into the Pentagon lawn... a nose-down would have grounded it even before it skidded across the lawn into 'the only reinforced side of the Pentagon'.

Hey, haven't we been here before Scootle (and though you're certainly dogged on this issue) it's looking more and more like a passenger airliner wobbly FLYBY than a screeching first floor attack.

Just admit it.

[911analyzer]

And I have another question. Why hasn't Alex ever asked Craig on to his show for an interview? The research CIT has done is vastly superior to anything Dylan/Burmas ever did, and yet here we sit having to listen to Burmas when Alex is gone. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And that is why I suspect other things are at play.

[trailhound]

And I have another question. Why hasn't Alex ever asked Craig on to his show for an interview? The research CIT has done is vastly superior to anything Dylan/Burmas ever did, and yet here we sit having to listen to Burmas when Alex is gone. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And that is why I suspect other things are at play.[/quote

 I wouldnt jump to conclusions, there is a good chance Alex hasnt seen the vid.

[Southern Patriot]

767 can't reach top speed at the altitude anyway. Top seed of like 560mph at 30,000 feet. To achieve 500mph at 10,000 feet or below, the engines would have had to generate 6 times more thrust than they were capable of. Don't believe me, call Boeing to confirm. Only way the plane can achieve that speed at that altitude is if it was nose diving.

[Scootle]

And I have another question. Why hasn't Alex ever asked Craig on to his show for an interview? The research CIT has done is vastly superior to anything Dylan/Burmas ever did, and yet here we sit having to listen to Burmas when Alex is gone. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And that is why I suspect other things are at play.

VASTLY SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING DYLAN OR JASON DID!? ... U mean the people who interviewed Barry Jennings, Hani Hanjour's Flight instructor, April Gallop, John Shroeder, Willie Rodriguez, Willie's supervisor, Gordon Ross etc?

Yeh CIT are vastly superior ... what have those idiots ever done for the movement?! 

... now I know you people are disinfo.

[Scootle]

757 flying low, doing some agile maneuvres and flying low FAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wy1ZI0x-Co

[trailhound]

757 flying low, doing some agile maneuvres and flying low FAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wy1ZI0x-Co

 lmao, forget knots that plane looked like it was doing 200 mph

[Southern Patriot]

 

757 flying low, doing some agile maneuvres and flying low FAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wy1ZI0x-Co

Really? Because between that video and the one of the Airbus A-380 doing the low altitude flyover, I could be nauseated all day long. Those passes are at about 220 mph not 500 mph as the official story claims. I repeat: There is no way in hell an aircraft of that size can travel that fast at that altitude! I do not care about ground affect, updraft, or anything else people claim would stop it from happening. The fact of the matter is that Boeing will tell you that their aircraft can NOT achieve that speed unless they are at cruising altitude! 240 mph is the max it will go below 10,000 feet. 1. Because it is an FAA rule and the fly by wire software limits the plane to that speed and 2. It can't compensate for the resistance of the air at that altitude. 360 mph would be the theoretical max of a jet liner at sea level if the software didn't slow it down. It is proven that the aircraft would need to generate six times the amount of thrust at 10,000 feet to achieve the same speed at 30,000 feet.

[trailhound]

Those passes are at about 220 mph not 500 mph as the official story claims.

 The official story is 500 knots.  300 knots is 345mph.

[element]

VASTLY SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING DYLAN OR JASON DID!? ... U mean the people who interviewed Barry Jennings, Hani Hanjour's Flight instructor, April Gallop, John Shroeder, Willie Rodriguez, Willie's supervisor, Gordon Ross etc?

Yeh CIT are vastly superior ... what have those idiots ever done for the movement?!  

Interviewed dozens of eyewitnesses, proved that the plane flew east of the Potomac contrary to the alleged FDR data, proved that the plane did not look like an American Airlines jet, proved that the plane flew over the Army Navy Country Club and nearby golf course contrary to the FDR data, proved that the C-130 did not fly where the alleged 84 RADES data claims, proved that Lloyde England's story was full of dubious details, physically impossible, and ultimately just plain false, proved that witnesses such as Keith Wheelhouse lied about a "second plane" which followed immediately behind the attack jet and was on the scene at the same time as the explosion, proved that the plane flew north of the Citgo station and did not hit the building and that 9/11 was an inside job, etc, etc etc......

757 flying low, doing some agile maneuvres and flying low FAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wy1ZI0x-Co

Are you kidding me?  You were just incensed by someone saying that CIT's research is superior to Dylan and Bermas, and then you post a video which debunks Dylan and Bermas and bolsters CIT's research??

Loose Change is the film that makes the claims which your video debunks about the loop over Arlington described by the alleged "black box" data being difficult or impossible, not CIT.

However, CIT HAS proven WITH EVIDENCE (as opposed to speculation based on false premises like the Loose Change crew) that the FDR data is fraudulent and the plane did NOT fly that loop, but rather crossed to the east side of the Potomac.

Some people like to try to claim that a large plane cannot execute the bank described by the witnesses in National Security Alert.  Thanks for helping debunk that myth (although Pilots for 9/11 Truth has already done so).

[luckee1]

757 flying low, doing some agile maneuvres and flying low FAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wy1ZI0x-Co

You mean to tell me that so called terrorist flew the plane like that shown in your link there.  Or are you saying that all those tricks were done by remote control?  So there was no destabilizing from the lampposts.  and on those tricks the landing gear was down so that couldn't be it. 

Nice tricks for Expert Airline pilots to do in a controlled environment such as that landing strip.  That was what we used to call touch and go, but they didn't quite touch. 

I am unconvinced by the video.

[Southern Patriot]

The official story is 500 knots.  300 knots is 345mph.

Thanks for that....500 knots = 575.389724 mph which is above the planes top cruising altitude speed of 564 mph.

[element]

Come on guys.  "Pentaconned spreads disingo (ranke CIT disinfo artists)"?  Please change the title back and put it in the 9/11 research section where it belongs.

[Unintelligable Name]

The mods strike again with their silly form of conformity.

[DVD]

Im not criticisng the documentary im suggesting that they interview some of the firefighters ...

U notice how none of the firefighters for 9/11 truth petition signers and members are arlington county firefighters ...

Could it be because they all know a plane hit the pentagon?

If CIT interviews one who says he has his doubts about the official story then I might start listening...

are you uninformed or just lying?



the man who sent that is in this pic.