Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[Southern Patriot]

Why would you do that? I can hear it now......IT'S SHOWTIME!

[phasma]

waiting with bated breath! ! ! . . . . . . turning blue . . . .

[Southern Patriot]

Oh...Never mind....It's 3100 not 3000...
I do see your point though and I have been yelling it for years...Like I said, two of my friends in Army intelligence were in the Pentagon that morning and even they don't believe a plane hit it. Nice perfectly straight collapse. WTC is the same...Straight lines in the hole like someone tries to make the shape of a plane with perfect squares.

[Scootle]

Well to quote him from another thread...

In case you haven't figured this out.  Recently Alex Jones was accused of being a racist due to comments made on the unmoderated infowars boards. Recently Alex Jones was associated with a nut that killed cops because he made comments on a AJ message board. (nevermind the fact that the comments were against AJ) Recently youtube eliminated an infowars account because they showed AJ defending himself(he showed the newspaper trying to smear him) meanwhile youtube has no problem hosting a video by "truthers" claiming the old cab driver nearly killed on 9/11 by a lightpole KNOCKED OVER BY A PASSENGER JET as it slammed into the pentagon, is actually an undercover mass murdering operative. Can you see what's coming down the pipe? I'll spell it out for you.....

Before the USS Cole was hit they tried hitting another ship....before the WTC were blown to kingdom come they bombed it. Guess what's coming down the pipe?

I'm one of the least "conspiracy" minded people on here IMO, and even I can see this one.
Q: DO you believe that if the "powers that be" have a golden opportunity to not only give a devastating blow to Alex Jones, but the entire truth movement and Daniel Sanjata and Dylan Avery all at the same time that they wouldn't do it?
Ans: It doesn't matter. We'd be idiots to sit here and let ourselves be put in that situation.

Here's a headline from the future that you are not going to see as long as I am moderating here......

Dateline Sept 22 2009
Arlington   Loyd England the cab driver nearly killed on 9/11 was murdered today by a "9/11 conspiracy theorist". Mr Noplane Idiot was arrested at the scene reading a copy of Catcher in the Rye. Police Spokesman Capt NWO PIG said Mr Idiot made statements suggesting the act was carried out as a form of vigilante justice. "He believes based on movies and messages he saw on "conspiracy" message boards that Mr England helped carry out the attacks."
Internet searches showed that Mr Noplane Idiot was a frequent visitor to prisonplanet forum. The forum is hosted by the notorious Alex Jones who has made several films claiming the attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. Government. He was also producer of Loose Change Final cut. Search results also revealed Mr Idiot was also frequent visitor to the loose change forums, hosted by Dylan Avery maker of the "conspiracy series". His newest film Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup narrated by Rescue Me star Daniel Sanjata was released today. Mr Jones claims he has no control over who comes to the boards and what is posted. However investigations reveal the boards are moderated.

Think that's pretty unlikely? Yea, it is.

It's just as unlikely as Barry Jennings being dead 2 days before the WTC 7 report comes out.

Think that's just dumb? What's even dumber is sitting here allowing ourselves to be put in that position.

"I trust them, I don't think the folks that would blow Kennedy's brains out and murder 3000 Americans would take advantage of us like that."  <----that's dumb.

Know what's even dumber? These DisInfo preposterous 9/11 truth killing movies, these idiots want you to promote.

I've never accused anyone of being an "operative", other than Gen Stubblebine. But if I was to make the accusation, it would be against these CIT retards. Why? For several reasons. They constantly use the exact same phrase James Woosley the former CIA head and NWO Bitch used to describe why no WMD were found in Iraq. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".  Meaning just because we didn't find WMD in Iraq doesn't mean there wasn't a sh*tload of it. And just because no one saw a passenger jet fly over the pentagon doesn't mean it didn't happen. How much BS are you willing to take?

Also, Russel Pickering, John Farmer, Mike Walter, Keith Wheelhouse, Father McGraw, Joel Sucherman, and Lloyd England are all according to the makers of these idiot films, undercover operatives. And those are just then ones I've seen myself them make publicly. Well I'll throw that accusation right back at them. They are either insane, or they themselves are the operatives. Wether they are or not is irrelevant. The results are the same. And they can be used in the same way. They are not helping the truth movement. They are destroying it. Driving people in the movement out with their insanity. I've seen it. You think they are helping? Yea, it's real helpfull for independent honest researchers to get people to talk to us after these retards visit them and then accuse them of being mass murdering operatives if they don't tell them what they want to hear. That's real f**king helpfull. Honest? They are self promoting BS artists. "It was planned"....OMG! DID you hear that? There it is smoking gun proof! And you fall for this BS? Everyone in the world knows 9/11 was planned but when the old cab driver says it, it means he helped plan it? They are either dishonest insane a**holes or operatives. It doesn't matter. It's the same results. I've seen their movies. All of them. They are a disgusting joke. What's pitifull is seeing you fall for this crap. And people fall for it because they are allergic to a passenger jet hitting the pentagon. How incredibly stupid. This disinfo BS has gotten so bad that we now have a remote controlled passenger jet at the pentagon, but it doesn't fly into it....no, you wouldn't want that...so it flys over it. That's f**kin stupid. They have no choice. Everyone that was there saw a large passenger jet fly into the pentagon. I've been telling you that from day one. They went there and filmed them. They have no choice but then make up this stupid idea of a flyover. Everyone was fooled. No one saw it fly away. But everyone drew the wrong flightpath! No they didn't. That's why England, Walter, Sucherman, Wheelhouse, McGraw and about 100 other people are all "operatives". Because they don't place the plane slightly off the path. And those that drew the wrong flight path? They all swear they watched the passenger jet slam into the pentagon. Your own 10 year old knows that every witness swearing in court that they watched with their own eyes a passenger jet hit the pentagon, is NOT proof a passenger jet didn't hit the pentagon. How much BS are you willing to take?

You should be helping us stamp out this disinfo not spread it. I thought you people wanted to expose the truth of 9/11? This Disinfo crap is getting out of hand. We're nipping this in the bud. We have no choice. It's gotten to the ridiculous point where we are willing to admit a jet was at the pentagon but it didn't go in, and the witnesses who were there are lieing operatives. It keeps getting worse......and I'm not going to sit here and let it come on down the pipe. There are reasons for this disinfo.

There are reasons for the various disinfo BS that some of you seem to love to hear, and fall for.

Operatives or not the results are the same. How about giving a sane 9/11 truther a 7 page front page article? Here are your hero's promoting 9/11 truth...

http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-14/features/pentaconned/

[trailhound]

They all swear they watched the passenger jet slam into the pentagon. Your own 10 year old knows that every witness swearing in court that they watched with their own eyes a passenger jet hit the pentagon, is NOT proof a passenger jet didn't hit the pentagon. How much BS are you willing to take?

 These witnesses thought the plane hit the pentagon but i didnt hear any of them say they actually saw the plane hit. They saw it heading that way and the subsequent fireball...

 IMHO we should approach this without jumping to conclusions about what did hit the pentagon, it very well may have been flight 77. BUT this testimony tells the story of a low flying jumbo jet that made people duck and run for cover that clearly did not hit the pentagon.  So either we have two planes OR flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

 

[sekular]

what do you think that was in that big box that was seen being carried out of the crash site, i believe this was pointed out in loose change first edition, i think.

[Mike Philbin]

Yep,
I'll add to this again, it's only about the stunning revelations of the EYE WITNESS testimony who's evidence goes strictly against the Official Southerly flight path.

This documentary isn't about whether flight 77 hit the Pentagon, just the path. Hey, apart from that guy who saw a plane carving AWAY from the Pentagon.  Come on, it's all Lies, or it's all stacking up against the Official Story.

These witnesses thought the plane hit the pentagon but i didnt hear any of them say they actually saw the plane hit. They saw it heading that way and the subsequent fireball...

 IMHO we should approach this without jumping to conclusions about what did hit the pentagon, it very well may have been flight 77. BUT this testimony tells the story of a low flying jumbo jet that made people duck and run for cover that clearly did not hit the pentagon.  So either we have two planes OR flight 77 did not hit the pentagon.

 

[Mike Philbin]

was it a birthday cake?

this is all crazy conjecture, no one knows what went in, what came out.

Investigate (!)

what do you think that was in that big box that was seen being carried out of the crash site, i believe this was pointed out in loose change first edition, i think.

[mr anderson]

Of course there was planes at the WTC

I think though there is no evidence for a plane at the pentagon - if the hole doesn`t fit . . . and all that.

No engines, no bodies, no luggage.

Just seems odd.

There was an engine recovered but the Engine manufacturers say it's not from any plane they're aware of.

Some say it's an engine from an A-3 Skywarrior 'fighter jet' (Use discernment and research this for yourself - http://www.physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf )

In my opinion that'd explain the small hole and possible explosion from an incendiary attached (missile).

I believe people need to stop saying there was a 747 or wasn't a 747 and start looking at what aircraft could do that kind of damage.

[Voskhod3]

There was an engine recovered but the Engine manufacturers say it's not from any plane they're aware of.

They did?

Where?

[phasma]

the recovered "engine" looked way smaller than a 757 engine ?

and was there only one recovered?

[Scootle]

[phasma]

again, is that a 757 engine?
and why was there only one of them?

[Mike Philbin]

there is a single-engine plane like the one that 'Pentagon engine' image used



and we all know this is no 747/757 passenger plane

[Voskhod3]

There was an engine recovered but the Engine manufacturers say it's not from any plane they're aware of.

I'm sorry because this is a WOW moment.

The Engine Manufacturers say it's not from any plane they are aware of?

[Scootle]

ERROR: 'Engine Parts From the Pentagon Crash Don't Match a 757'

[Voskhod3]

ERROR: 'Engine Parts From the Pentagon Crash Don't Match a 757'

Yep.

I think some people are going to be disappointed though.

[phasma]

there is a single-engine plane like the one that 'Pentagon engine' image used



and we all know this is no 747/757 passenger plane

OMFG!
and it has a tail !
JEEZ
Good one mike :S

[Voskhod3]

there is a single-engine plane like the one that 'Pentagon engine' image used



and we all know this is no 747/757 passenger plane

I believe there is a scale issue here.

That's not very big.

[phasma]

they likely have a bigger version of whatever this is

how do we know those "plane parts" were not placed in there prior to the explosion?

just a thoought

[Scootle]

I believe there is a scale issue here.

That's not very big.

... That's what she said ... sorry ... couldn't resist....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-86_ALCM

Diameter: 2 ft!

Wingspan: 12ft

[Mike Philbin]

the DH-10 (a Chinese cruise missile) is a tad bigger.



but THAT's too scary to even consider.

[Scootle]

... thousands of phallic puns are rushing through my dirty mind.

[phasma]

Defense Secretary:
"and the missile to damage this building"

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was interviewed on 12 October 2001 by Lyric Wallwork Winik (yes, that's her real name), a columnist for Parade, the magazine that comes in many Sunday newspapers across the US. Although Parade is one of the most mainstream magazines imaginable (think People meets the Saturday Evening Post), Winik blindsided Rumsfeld with a question that few reporters/interviewers have the guts to ask:

"This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?"

Rumsfeld is apparently shaken by this young reporter's forthrightness. First, he admits what few else dare:

"There were lots of warnings."

Immediately after this sentence, though, the Secretary starts to qualify it. He subtly plays the "we didn't connect the dots" card:

"The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find."

Although he doesn't directly say it, it would seem that Rumsfeld is insinuating that the poor, understaffed, shoestring intelligence and defense establishments can't put together intelligence in a timely manner.

Now things get really bizarre. After admitting that there were plenty of warnings, he says it was up to the FBI and especially state and local law enforcement to deal with the imminent terrorist attack:

"And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues."

To sum up Rumsfeld's explanation: 1) The warnings were there; 2) the Defense Department and the intelligence community couldn't figure them out; but anyway 3) it was up to the FBI, state law enforcement, and local police to uncover and prevent the worst terrorist attack in US history.



And here's something to kick around. Still answering this question, Rumsfeld goes on to make a strange statement:

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.""Missile"? What missile would that be? Did he let something slip? Or was this just a gaffe? A bad choice of words? A transcription error? Until we know for sure, it deserves scrutiny.

The article based on this interesting interview was "We Have to Defend Our Way of Life" by Lyric Wallwork Winik in Parade, 18 Nov 2001. The only part of the above exchange to be included is this:

To Rumsfeld, the Sept. 11 attacks did not come as a complete surprise. "There were lots of warnings," he says bluntly.

"The only way to deal with this problem," he continues, "is by taking the battle to the terrorists and dealing with them."

Now, it is pretty bold for Parade to quote him about the warnings. Of course, the magazine then skips Rumsfeld's subsequent shifting of blame and use of the word "missile," jumping right to the innocuous final sentence of the exchange.

Full text of the interview

also available on the Defense Department's site here. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Nov2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html or if it has been removed I've archived it here
Presenter: Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Friday, Oct. 12, 2001
From the Memory Hole www.thememoryhole.org/911/rumsfeld-warnings.htm

[Voskhod3]

Right...

1) I believe absolutely there was a plane at the Pentagon.
2) It possibly flew over the Pentagon.
3) There was a very big explosion.
4) If it was a fly over then a cruise missile is an unnecessary complexity, just set timed explosives instead, less to go wrong, I mean just how accurate are cruise missiles?
5) There are no reports of two low-flying objects flying towards the Pentagon.

[phasma]

Right...

1) I believe absolutely there was a plane at the Pentagon.
2) It possibly flew over the Pentagon.
3) There was a very big explosion.
4) If it was a fly over then a cruise missile is an unnecessary complexity, just set timed explosives instead, less to go wrong, I mean just how accurate are cruise missiles?
5) There are no reports of two low-flying objects flying towards the Pentagon.

Because everyone was watching the very noisy very low airliner !?

read this page:http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/pentagon/what-hit-it.htm

[Scootle]

The way i see it...

1) Flight 77 almost certainly hit the pentagon

2) The C-Ring hole could only have been caused by an object coming in from the south

So either:

1) The plane came in from the north and another object came in from the south and they both hit the pentagon at the exact same time and somehow didn't interfere with eachother's path (unlikely)

OR

2) This whole northern approach stuff is bollocks (likely!)

[Voskhod3]

2) This whole northern approach stuff is bollocks (likely!)

I would normally agree, however the witness statements in the film deserve attention, especially the two officiers who couldn't see a south approach from where they were... "zero chance".

This is all very strange.

[Mike Philbin]

2) This whole northern approach stuff is bollocks (likely!)

this is a libel on the Citizens Investigations Team, based on their documentary evidence.

you're saying the northern approach testimony from MANY witnesses is a set up, or even a covert off-shore ops?

true?

really?

[trailhound]

2) This whole northern approach stuff is bollocks (likely!)

 Officers Lagasse's testimomy that if the plane had approached from the south of the gas station it would have been impossible for him to see it because the gas station would block his view. He said 0% chance the plane was on that path.

[bernardboggins]

The way i see it...

1) Flight 77 almost certainly hit the pentagon

2) The C-Ring hole could only have been caused by an object coming in from the south

So either:

1) The plane came in from the north and another object came in from the south and they both hit the pentagon at the exact same time and somehow didn't interfere with eachother's path (unlikely)

OR

2) This whole northern approach stuff is bollocks (likely!)

Scootle, have you actually seen the film?

[Voskhod3]

Officers Lagasse's testimomy that if the plane had approached from the south of the gas station it would have been impossible for him to see it because the gas station would block his view. He said 0% chance the plane was on that path.

That's the key, that's what makes me pay attention.. he is unequivocal in his stance.

The guys at the cemetary were also pretty convincing too, they said it was heading towards them and it banked to their left.

This is not your average 9/11 film, this is a film to make people ask questions about the Pentagon if you show it to them.

[trailhound]

The guys at the cemetary were also pretty convincing too, they said it was heading towards them and it banked to their left.

 Yeah the arlington witnesses was my first thought of smoking gun evidence when i replied but then i thought of the officers testimony which is just as convincing. A 3 punch knockout is Morin in the navy annex saying it went over his head 2) Officer Lagrasse 3) the guys at arlington absolutely seal the deal though dont they?

[Brocke]

The way i see it...

1) Flight 77 almost certainly hit the pentagon

2) The C-Ring hole could only have been caused by an object coming in from the south

So either:

1) The plane came in from the north and another object came in from the south and they both hit the pentagon at the exact same time and somehow didn't interfere with eachother's path (unlikely)

OR

2) This whole northern approach stuff is bollocks (likely!)

Hmm, a southern approach impact on the inside ring first? The surveillance camera video shows an impact or exterior explosion not a an exit or interior blast. Though, at a fairly large stretch of the imagination there could have been an impact on the interior ring and a simultaneous stationary explosion on the outside of the outer ring (truck bomb).

 

I still believe that until I see wings, engines and a tail section there was no 757 crash.


When you have an impact like this.


You have to find two of these somewhere.

[smoofness2k8]

 

I still believe that until I see wings, engines and a tail section there was no 757 crash.


When you have an impact like this.


You have to find two of these somewhere.

all 4 planes "vaporized" ---   
that's what most people will tell you... because there were 0 airplane pieces that day other than very, very little aluminum scraps around the pentagon

[phasma]

yeah just go look up air crashes and high speed and see how much debris is left . . .

but then we know they think we are f*cktards !

[smoofness2k8]

yeah just go look up air crashes and high speed and see how much debris is left . . .

but then we know they think we are f*cktards !

well, 4 "plane" crashes in one day, none of which actually resembles a crash like you see if you type in "airplane crash" on google...
0 seats, wing sections (btw, if an airplane hit 5 light poles, something would come loose, maybe not the whole wing but a rudder or something...), no tail section... nada...

[phasma]

well, 4 "plane" crashes in one day, none of which actually resembles a crash like you see if you type in "airplane crash" on google...
0 seats, wing sections (btw, if an airplane hit 5 light poles, something would come loose, maybe not the whole wing but a rudder or something...), no tail section... nada...

and square peg round hole - clearly obvious that there is something very wrong with the stories !

its ridiculous.

[Scootle]

So they have 13 witnesses all of whom give a different flight path, some of whom give a different speed, and none of whom actually saw the plane hit.

Well there were many more witnesses... and the most complete compilation of eywitness accounts was put together by eric bart and can be read here.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html

Witnesses who confirm the south side approach


"As we were driving into town on 395, there was an exit. We were trying to get off of the exit for the Memorial Bridge. On the left-hand side, there was a commercial plane coming in, and was coming in too fast and the[n?] too low, and the next thing we saw was [it?] go-down below the side of the road… coming down towards the side of the—of 395. And when it came down, it just missed 395 and went down below us�
- Barbara

"I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395… we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon."
- Gary Bauer

“The jet came in from the south�
- Mickey Bell

“I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel.�
- Tim Timmerman

“The plane took “a flight path straight up 395.�
- Michael Tinyk

“I saw a jumbo tail go by me along Route 395. It was like the rear end of the fuselage was riding on 395. I just saw the tail go whoosh right past me.�
- Dave Winslow

“I watched it come in very low over the trees and it just dipped down and came down right over 395 right into the Pentagon.�
- Don Wright

Witnesses who actually SAW the plane knock down the lightpoles and/or hit the pentagon

It "flew above a nearby hotel and drop its landing gear. The plane's right wheel struck a light pole, causing it to fly at a 45-degree angle", he said. The plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued flying at an angle. "You could hear the engines being revved up even higher"

"The right engine hit high, the left engine hit low. For a brief moment, you could see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building. Then a ball of fire came from behind it."

- Noel Sepulveda

At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building.

- Penny Elgas 

"Jet Fuel"

"The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel. And then you can smell this sickly, rotten-meat smell"

- Mark Kirk

"Once they stabilized Brian, they transferred him to George Washington Hospital where...the best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs(!)"

[whywhy]

awesome video! very well done.