Pentaconned spreads disinfo (ranke CIT disinfo )

[mr anderson]

when I listen to all of yall it gets really confusing lol

what's the bottom line...explosions? demolition? debris? remote controls? planes-big/small? air control? witnesses? videos?


It's gettin harder to understand when yall are goin so much in depth with everything (am not scientist lol)  (Sometimes ya just gotta be "frank and blunt" for us-me-and many simple minded people who want to understand the truth.)


 

Release the tapes so we can bust some myths and confirm some theories.

That's what it all boils down to..and I just had an epiphany: One of the reasons why they don't release the tapes IS to confuse & divide people.

Their goal isn't to disclose the truth and incriminate themselves.

[mym]

yeah, is all a cover up and unless somehow somethin leaks thru, we will never know--well except what has been proven scientifically.

[trailhound]

scootle wrote

this has been scientifically proven ... all this can be used in a court of law to convict the bastards responsible... all CIT have is a few witnesses who recollect a different flight path - they prove nothing... and most of the evidence at the scene debunks them.

 Lagasse's testimony by itself proves something, especially in light of the corroborating testimony.  You havent debunked anything CIT has put forth.  CIT isnt putting out theories either, all they are pointing out is that the witnesses they interviewed tell a story that doesnt match the official one. They do not speculate what hit the pentagon, only purport that the witness testimony and the official story are not in agreement.   Furthermore you posted a vid of a witness describing a small plane. If you think someone would describe a low flying 757 as a small plane I have no choice but to question your motives.

 Whoever modified the title hasnt debunked anything either.

[Scootle]

Isn't the extremely steep curve turn in CIT's flight path just as, if not more implausible than the official flight path?



We're talking a 45 degree change in horizontal angle in like 5 seconds tops ... at a very low altitude .. surely that would make the 2 minute 330 degree turn at 2000 feet look easy!

[trailhound]

Scootle wrote

Isn't the extremely steep curve turn in CIT's flight path just as, if not more implausible than the official flight path?

No. In the pic above you posted Sgt Lagasse is on the left side of that building,north ( left side looking at it from the street. He describes seeing the plane approach from that direction. He said if the plane was on the other side, or even above him, he wouldnt have been able to see it. Said 0% chance he was wrong on that point.

[Mike Philbin]

Isn't the extremely steep curve turn in CIT's flight path just as, if not more implausible than the official flight path?



We're talking a 45 degree change in horizontal angle in like 5 seconds tops ... at a very low altitude .. surely that would make the 2 minute 330 degree turn at 2000 feet look easy!

Hey, Scootle, just f**k OFF ALREADY - I've been very patient with you, but that's it. f**k YOU AND YOUR IDIOCY. You're EXACTLY like those billions of sheeple who refuse to WAKE UP. You deserve your New World Order. I'm sorry it's come to this but you're a twat.

[FalseFlagBurner]

Isn't the extremely steep curve turn in CIT's flight path just as, if not more implausible than the official flight path?

We're talking a 45 degree change in horizontal angle in like 5 seconds tops ... at a very low altitude .. surely that would make the 2 minute 330 degree turn at 2000 feet look easy!

I highly doubt you are a pilot, a scientist, or even a layperson who is remotely researched on this issue because it has been mathematically proven by pilots to be entirely possible.

Watch this short presentation with math included and let's hear if you can "debunk" it:

9/11: THE NORTH FLIGHT PATH: Aerodynamically Possible - Witness Compatible

Then watch this one using math to prove the final descent of the OFFICIAL flight path impossible and let me know if you can still justifiy being so hell bent on arguing in favor of the proven false official narrative and against hard evidence and science proving 9/11 was an inside job:

G Forces - Scene From 9/11: Attack On The Pentagon, mathematical proof of deception

[Unintelligable Name]

Hey, Scootle, just f**k OFF ALREADY - I've been very patient with you, but that's it. f**k YOU AND YOUR IDIOCY. You're EXACTLY like those billions of sheeple who refuse to WAKE UP. You deserve your New World Order. I'm sorry it's come to this but you're a twat.

Cheeky.

Scootle that isn't CIT's flightpath that they created -- it's from the eyewitnesses drawing on an aerial map of where they saw the plane.

[element]

Scootle that isn't CIT's flightpath that they created -- it's from the eyewitnesses drawing on an aerial map of where they saw the plane.

He knows.  It's just easier for him to cast doubt on this smoking gun proof that 9/11 was an inside job by implying otherwise.










National Security Alert - Firsthand eyewitness interviews all corroborate each other on north side flight path, contradict required government south side flight path, prove that 9/11 was an inside job
http://www.CitizenInvestigationTeam.com/nsa.html

Frequently Asked Questions >>  Why does it matter which side of the gas station the plane flew on? Couldn’t the plane have flown on the north side of the gas station and still hit the light poles and building?
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/faq-can_north_side_plane_hit.html

[phigsy]

All this has been scientifically proven ... all this can be used in a court of law to convict the bastards responsible... all CIT have is a few witnesses who recollect a different flight path - they prove nothing... and most of the evidence at the scene debunks them.

So to quote paraphrase Bill Hicks can we just stop pointless debating, take a look at this pentagons stuff again and say "oh it's a piece of shit!"

Appreciate you taking the time to explain all that, but anyone with the remotest capacity for critical thought could see the WTC 3 were controlled demolished. Guess what? No court case.

This whole thing is about getting facts in order. So to quote paraphrase Mike Philbin..... Eff off already.

I vote for a title change: Prison Planet Forum Members Versus Scootle

Agreed; but you'll have to tell whichever of your mates keeps messing with it.

[Scootle]

... let me know if you can still justifiy being so hell bent on arguing in favor of the proven false official narrative and against hard evidence and science proving 9/11 was an inside job ...

He knows.  It's just easier for him to cast doubt on this smoking gun proof that 9/11 was an inside job by implying otherwise.

See now this is what really annoys me about this ... the fact that you CIT followers seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow sympathizing with the official story and doesn't believe 9/11 was a false flag... Well let me clear this up for you people right now:

I KNOW 9/11 was a false flag ... I don't just think it ... I don't just believe it  ... I KNOW IT ... Not because of you ... not because of anything to do with the Pentagon ... but because I know physics and I've watched Stephen Jones and Richard Gage lectures about the demolition of the towers.

But the way you both say CIT "proves 9/11 was an inside job" just makes it seem like you have some kind of delusion of grandeur or something... You could just say it proves the official story at the pentagon to be a lie but no you go further and say it proves 9/11 was an inside job... as if all the other research into 9/11 pales in comparison ... and a few posts back you said CIT's research is "vastly superior" to other peoples research even going as far as to say they've done more for the movement than Dylan or Jason.

And I have another question. Why hasn't Alex ever asked Craig on to his show for an interview? The research CIT has done is vastly superior to anything Dylan/Burmas ever did, and yet here we sit having to listen to Burmas when Alex is gone. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And that is why I suspect other things are at play.

Man, wtf. All the research CIT has done is some of the best EVER done on the Pentagon attacks. It SHOULD be on the front page of every Alex Jones site, if he is really the truth seeker he claims to be. Clearly there is something else going on here, for this to end up in "Faux Controversies." I won't speculate as to what that something else is, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there is another agenda being played out here.

Alex is accused of running interference for the Vatican. Something I am starting to really believe. Bill Cooper called him a shill, and accused him of being a CIA agent. Another thing I am starting to believe. But this latest stunt of effectively trashing CIT's work is over the top. I have lost all respect. And this is from an almost daily AJ radio show listener here. I used to believe, and have followed Alex for years. But this is too much. 

I find this whole thing very strange.. at least four people (Element, DVD, 911Analyzer and FalseFlagBurner)  have signed up to this forum to post almost exclusively to this thread - all die hard CIT fans... and all their posts read like a debunker or no-planer trolling on youtube ... and believe me I've debated many debunkers on youtube ... and I see the same names on other forums aswell - abovetopsecret for example ... again posting on CIT related threads ... maybe I'm just being paranoid here but its almost as if they're trying to hijack or co-opt the movement or something.

Agree with the film or disagree... you can't deny this is somewhat strange...

[element]

See now this is what really annoys me about this ... the fact that you CIT followers seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow sympathizing with the official story

You ARE defending the official story of the Pentagon attack, and you're doing it by repeatedly making false or misleading statements about the evidence, and then using more dishonest tactics (such as putting words in my mouth as addressed below) in a futile attempt  try to discredit those of us who call you out on it and correct your misinformation.

and doesn't believe 9/11 was a false flag

I never said you didn't believe 9/11 was a false flag.  I said CIT proves that 9/11 was an inside job, which is a fact.  I never said it wasn't proven in other ways too, and in fact it is.

... Well let me clear this up for you people right now: I KNOW 9/11 was a false flag ... I don't just think it ... I don't just believe it  ... I KNOW IT ... Not because of you ... not because of anything to do with the Pentagon ... but because I know physics and I've watched Stephen Jones and Richard Gage lectures about the demolition of the towers.

I agree.  The evidence for controlled demolition of the three WTC buildings is conclusive.  I never said otherwise, and I never accused you of believing otherwise, so writing this in response to my post is just another pointless smokescreen.

It is true that some people here (not me) have said that they do not believe that your beliefs are sincere about WTC being controlled demolition and think you are just claiming that to build credibility as a "truther" so you can spit out JREF/SRC talking points about the Pentagon attack.  Based on your behavior in this thread this would not surprise me, but since I don't have conclusive evidence of that I personally choose not to speculate about it.  What I do have conclusive evidence for is that (1) the plane did not hit the Pentagon on 9/11 (2) you are using misinformation to try to convince people otherwise.

But the way you both say CIT "proves 9/11 was an inside job" just makes it seem like you have some kind of delusion of grandeur or something... You could just say it proves the official story at the pentagon to be a lie but no you go further and say it proves 9/11 was an inside job...  as if all the other research into 9/11 pales in comparison ...

You just said that you "KNOW" 9/11 was an inside job due to the research of Gage, Jones, et. al.  Does stating that mean you have delusions of grandeur?  No.  Likewise, me or anyone else saying that the evidence presented by CIT proves an inside job does not imply such a thing either.  Your logic is transparently flawed.

and a few posts back you said CIT's research is "vastly superior" to other peoples research even going as far as to say they've done more for the movement than Dylan or Jason.

No.  I didn't.  Someone else did (and incidentially he retracted that statement anyway).  I didn't even say I agreed.  Quit putting words in my mouth.  I'm accountable for what I say, not anyone else.  What I did point out is the hilarious fact that after being incensed about said comment, you proceeded to post a video debunking Dylan and Jason while bolstering CIT.

I find this whole thing very strange.. at least four people (Element, DVD, 911Analyzer and FalseFlagBurner)  have signed up to this forum to post almost exclusively to this thread - all die hard CIT fans...

maybe I'm just being paranoid here but its almost as if they're trying to hijack or co-opt the movement or something.

Please.  I signed up and started posting because I was extremely frustrated by the misinformation I saw you posting while I was lurking on the forum and wanted to set the record straight.

See my first post here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4298.msg703167#msg703167

If anything is suspicious it's the fact that you did not offer counter-arguments to the bulk of what I wrote yet continued to repeat some of the same misinformation later in the thread as though you hadn't already been debunked.  This trend has continued throughout the thread -- you making false statements, being corrected, not acknowledging it, and then repeating the same canards or moving on to new ones.

and all their posts read like a debunker or no-planer trolling on youtube ...

Again, this is a sad joke of a statement.  You are the one defending the official story with misinformation.  You are the one who calls the research of JREF and ScrewLooseChange "top notch" and admitted "Yes every talking point i've raised so far is from JREF and SLC" (post 378).  We are the ones debunking your misinformation and JREF/SRC talking points with facts and evidence proving that the Pentagon attack was a false flag operation.

[911analyzer]

Scootle... Let me clear some things up for you here, and I can only speak for myself. I would appreciate it if you would re read my posts. ALL of them. Because you are cherry picking my posts to try and perpetuate your sadly mistaken perceptions of why I am here. The truth is I really didn't want to come here, because frankly I already post to enough forums, and I already listen to Alex's show almost daily. But when I saw this thread in it's original form, and the subsequent treatment of CIT's work, then yeah, I have had enough. I have to say something because this is just not right.

1) I am the poster TrueAmerican from abovetopsecret.com, and have stated so before on those forums. I have a long history there. I also post on CIT's forum under the same name, TA. I am also the same 911analyzer from P4T forums, although I have only a couple of posts there. OK? I also am a friend of Phil Jayhan's and mod at letsrollforums.com. Same name, TA there. I have many other interests outside of 9/11, as my posting history at ATS will easily show. I have no other agenda than the truth. Period. I came here strictly of my own volition. And in case you hadn't noticed, I just posted a new story here at prisonplanet about the government creating a special 9/11 counterintelligence unit to coverup 9/11: I strongly suggest all of you take a look at it.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=117956.0

Since I am new here and don't know this forum too well, wasn't sure where to put it...

2) I have never talked to Craig on the phone at this point, but have exchanged some emails with him. That's about it.

3) Craig has never asked to me to do anything, other than to keep speculation out of it. He really does not like any speculation, and sticks to the facts. If other CIT followers are going to state that CIT's research proves 9/11 an inside job, that is their business. I believe Craig's position on this is that their research proves that there is some kind of deception going on here. Their research contradicts the official claims.

4) I AM a die hard CIT fan for sure. Because I respect their research. I have no ties with them other than that. End of story.

[Freeski]

I hope you guys finish this.

[phasma]

Infighting - its what they hope will occupy our time !

[mym]

ok,  

what is the truth?  I am beginning to understand CIT's position a whole lot better and preferably take their side (about the Pentagon).  

Demolition is what in or out?


mym

[phasma]

Well, if no plane hit the pentagon and there was a hole then something else must have made it ! I guess explosives at the pentagon, just like at the towers, only with less damage.

[Mike Philbin]

Well, if no plane hit the pentagon and there was a hole then something else must have made it ! I guess explosives at the pentagon, just like at the towers, only with less damage.

this video's not even about that, it's about basic journalistic techniques and EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY, not divisive theories and corporate propaganda.

that's why I like it so much. The people are speaking out. That's what's important here.

[phasma]

this video's not even about that, it's about basic journalistic techniques and EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY, not divisive theories and corporate propaganda.

that's why I like it so much. The people are speaking out. That's what's important here.

Agree, was just trying to answer the question put by mym.

[mym]

thanks


ok, another question (am new to how these things have been discussed so be patient with me)

I see bombs exploding in the 9/11 it seems so obvious right?  So what is this talk about demolition goin on?  Freefall talk -I have listened to physics and they say it was obviously inside job (duh) but I also heard from others about how it has to be done in a way to make it collapse the way it did...but the bombs?  how would the bombs make a buildin fall in such a sequence?


thanks

[phasma]

I only know that there were explosives (?bombs) in the basement of the towers, blow out the foundations and down they go. I do not know of any other bombs though.

[mym]

thanks for answerin


so what remains for me is the one thing that I see people on this forum talkin about is the sequence in which it fell.  Like it was demolished in the Pro sense of the word, or if there were just bombs there, would it just fall in which way?

[911analyzer]

Infighting - its what they hope will occupy our time !

Oh, I can assure you. I am totally done with that. And I hope Scootle is too. I know how it is when new people come around a board... It's the price you pay for being a newbie. But I did have to make some things known, so at least he can see that I am no spring chicken at this. I hate that I was ultimately motivated to sign up here to protest CIT's treatment, but it had to be said. And I AM STILL SAYING IT. I am with the rest of you that are protesting all the thread title changes and whatnot. But worse, that this resides (still) in a disinfo forum. That is just BS. But yes, of course what you say is true, and I am quite aware of the "divide and conquer" tactics. I just didn't expect it from this forum.  

[phasma]

I know what you were trying to do, and i apreciate it. I know what you are saying, its a shame, but i think it might be better to debunk it then let it be, arguments just take up our time, and we have much to do !

[phigsy]

its a shame, but i think it might be better to debunk it then let it be, arguments just take up our time, and we have much to do !

I hope you don't mean debunk CIT, because then you're just throwing around words which don't mean anything, since you've not provided anything to back it up. There is no argument here that I can see; just people who present evidence and others who are incapable of countering it. And what more exactly is it we are in the business of, other than sifting through evidence as it's presented?

There is certainly something odd going on here when the thread title is modified back to a neutral slant and then re-modified complete with glaring spelling mistakes. I think it would provide better focus to try and 'debunk' the theory that this forum is slowly going down the tubes........

[trailhound]

But worse, that this resides (still) in a disinfo forum. That is just BS

 Yeah it wouldnt be bothersome if someone actually posted info debunking it. So far nothing but general hot air.

[Mike Philbin]

WTF happened?

"element" just sent round an email saying he got BANNED from Prison Planet Forumorum

what did he do?

Mike

[trailhound]

WTF happened?

"element" just sent round an email saying he got BANNED from Prison Planet Forumorum

what did he do?

Mike

 Not sure why but confirmed that element has been dispatched

[Unintelligable Name]

Not sure why but confirmed that element has been dispatched

Ugh... these mods are in need of being recycled and new ones appointed. Way too much personal opinion is put into their duties.

[phasma]

I hope you don't mean debunk CIT, because then you're just throwing around words which don't mean anything, since you've not provided anything to back it up. There is no argument here that I can see; just people who present evidence and others who are incapable of countering it. And what more exactly is it we are in the business of, other than sifting through evidence as it's presented?

There is certainly something odd going on here when the thread title is modified back to a neutral slant and then re-modified complete with glaring spelling mistakes. I think it would provide better focus to try and 'debunk' the theory that this forum is slowly going down the tubes........

I meant debunk the lies like a plane hit the pentagon. I am pro - cit !
It seems that some ppl have certain opinions which are not going to change. I dont know that we can change peoples mind if they are dead set on holding a specific idea.
I dont know who changed this title - i wish they would change it back !
Or atleast admit they changed it and explain why they think this is a better title than the original !!!

[Mike Philbin]

I dont know who changed this title - i wish they would change it back !
Or atleast admit they changed it and explain why they think this is a better title than the original !!!

Don't worry, I'm on it.

Justice will prevail.

[trailhound]

All the posts i read from element were respectful and full of info, dont recall any ad homs...wondering why he got banned Maybe he said something i havent seen, but what i recall he seemed classy and he could spell

[phasma]

I just saw Element got banned? For what? Who is the MOD on this thread, I never saw him / her post elsewhere on this forum and I never saw anything other than eloquent arguments.

How strange?

[trailhound]

JimD wrote

After two days of Ranke telling him his cab had to be somewhere else because of his "wonderfull" witnesses flight path. the witnesses who "prove" a jet didn't hit the pentagon even though all those wonderfull witnesses will swear they watched with their own eyes the Airliner hit the pentagon, and the old guy get confused which means he's an undercover black ops mass murder accomplice. All done in the name of 9/11 "truth?

 Did you really watch this film? If you did was your head up your ass at the time? No all the witnesses didnt swear they saw the plane hit the pentagon with their own eyes quit making shit up! I think you had your mind made up before you listened to these witnesses, perhaps you should watch it again.  If this 'wonderful' witness flight path was inaccurate Sgt Lagasse would not have seen the plane fly by the gas station. Lagasse believes the plane hit, although he didnt actually see the impact, are you accusing Sgt Lagasse of being a lying undercover operative ? f**k the cab driver this vid has far more compelling testimony than Lloyd's.  What about the witnesses who saw the plane banking hard right before impact? Are they all pieces of shit too?  

[Mike Philbin]

I wrote JimD about this thread's second title change, and got no reply. He better not be behind this thread-ass-f**kery. You gotta be just, if you're a mod.

I'll repeat my earlier thought, "This renaming is merely a MERGE error."

Hopefully, it'll be back to a sensible name by tomorrow or so.

Mike

[phasma]

After two days of Ranke telling him his cab had to be somewhere else because of his "wonderfull" witnesses flight path. the witnesses who "prove" a jet didn't hit the pentagon even though all those wonderfull witnesses will swear they watched with their own eyes the Airliner hit the pentagon, and the old guy get confused which means he's an undercover black ops mass murder accomplice. All done in the name of 9/11 "truth?

If JimD wrote this and he is the MOD for this thread then this may explain the name changes i guess. . .
However - I know most of us are in support of the CIT evidence and do not want it called disinfo - its wrong for someone with MOD power to be able to twist thread titles to their own slant - especially when their own view is totally out of sync with the rest of the thread !

[trailhound]

I wrote JimD about this thread's second title change, and got no reply. He better not be behind this thread-ass-f**kery. You gotta be just, if you're a mod.

I'll repeat my earlier thought, "This renaming is merely a MERGE error."

Hopefully, it'll be back to a sensible name by tomorrow or so.

Mike

 If you look back to page 1 you see the thread we were working with was merged with an older thread, says 2007 , that yes jimD was involved with. Page 1 is where i got his quote from.

[Protean]

I have posted this before and so have others, but if you've not heard it--put this near the top of your to listen to list.

Guns and Butter interview the April Gallop and Barbara Honegger regarding Pentagon attack--excellent.

Click Play button.
http://kpfa.org/archive/id/5422

[Protean]

I have posted this before and so have others, but if you've not heard it--put this near the top of your to listen to list.

Guns and Butter interview the April Gallop and Barbara Honegger regarding Pentagon attack--excellent.

Click Play button.
http://kpfa.org/archive/id/5422

KPFA's media server is giving an error.

Here is a direct MP3 download:

http://fv911truth.org/audio/Guns%20and%20Butter%20-%20April%20Gallop%20and%20Barbara%20Honneger%20-%20What%20Didn%27t%20Hit%20the%20Pentagon%2020080423.mp3

[Scootle]

It's not just JimD ... other mods have said CIT is disinfo, including Sane ... I'm keeping my mouth shut from now on but let's not forget one of the CIT fans did say Alex Jones worked for the Vatican ... I guess it was interpreted as trolling.

On a lighter note... I'm now going to make a disinfo bingo card inspired by this thread name lol