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« Reply #400 on: June 26, 2009, 07:49:26 PM »

for all of you jumping on the CIT band wagon, you should read this as well as watch the movie..

http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-14/features/pentaconned/1

and here is a paper written by.. yes a jref'r..
I'm sure that "Dom" is familiar with his work..

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/NoC

Dom is what the jref'rs refer to as a "sock puppet" he is currently shilling for CIT..
(normally he is into the flight 93 shanksville topic..)
in other words.. just as he is claiming Scootle is reverting to jref talking points, he is doing the same thing..
I would encourage anyone taking this topic seriously to at least check out the jref forum and read the debates on this topic.. looking at all sides is important to find the truth..
also C Ranke and Dom have extensive threads at ATS, where the debate is more or less even sided..
although I do not agree with the premise of CIT's claims.. I did learn a thing or two from all sides..


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« Reply #401 on: June 26, 2009, 08:22:23 PM »

for all of you jumping on the CIT band wagon, you should read this as well as watch the movie..
http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-14/features/pentaconned/1
pcc,

You're citing a blatantly dishonest hit piece.

Here is CIT's detailed response, which has been posted on their website for almost a year:

http://thepentacon.com/NickSchou.htm

Were you not aware of it?  If you were, why did you, as someone who claims to believe that "looking at all sides is important to find the truth", not post it?

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and here is a paper written by.. yes a jref'r..
I'm sure that "Dom" is familiar with his work..

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/NoC

Not just any JREFer; a debunked, anonymous JREFer.

See Pilots for 9/11 Truth's response, entitled The North Flight Path: Aeronautically Possible, Witness Compatible
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1248677650819981509

Have you seen this before?  If so, why did you, as someone who says "looking at all sides is important to find the truth", not post it?
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« Reply #402 on: June 26, 2009, 08:50:01 PM »

so what's this all about
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« Reply #403 on: June 26, 2009, 08:56:59 PM »

Dom is what the jref'rs refer to as a "sock puppet" he is currently shilling for CIT..

listen up mockingbird there is no evidence i am a sock puppet for anyone. ever.

unlike you and your jref friends no part of me is anonymous. if i am a public figure then how by definition can i be a sock puppet?

why do you have to lie?


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(normally he is into the flight 93 shanksville topic..)

yes because that is where i specialize my research. you can trace me back for years back to the first incarnation of the loose change forums and you will see that my 2 areas of interest in 9/11 were the pentagon and shanksville. so i can provide a couple links if anyone wants to verify that. again there was no cit or pilots for 911 truth then for me to be one of their sock puppets which they don't even do. there is no need for anyone of us to pretend we're someone else.

THATS WHY I POSTED MY OWN NAME IN THIS THREAD. DUH.


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in other words.. just as he is claiming Scootle is reverting to jref talking points, he is doing the same thing..

LMAO!!!!

1984 alert!!!


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I would encourage anyone taking this topic seriously to at least check out the jref forum and read the debates on this topic.. looking at all sides is important to find the truth..

i agree. it shows how quickly the other side falls apart when they resort to name calling, inventing theories and claims, and slandering both cit and pilots for 911 truth organizations.

none of which refute any of the eyewitness statements.

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also C Ranke and Dom have extensive threads at ATS, where the debate is more or less even sided..
although I do not agree with the premise of CIT's claims.. I did learn a thing or two from all sides..

oh i'm craig? is that what your little italics is to imply?

i'll make you deal. i'll post my name and craig's name and photo's of each of us if you promise to post your name and a photo of yourself.

can't wait to hear the excuses for this one. in fact i already have them written down!! lol

p.s me and my ip are banned at ats. more proof none of your allegations and beliefs can hold any water.

so what happened at the pentagon on 9/11?

since i already outted one jref'er let's get a second.

tell me about fema and the plane hitting and the 65 tons of debris recovered. come on.
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« Reply #404 on: June 27, 2009, 01:38:01 AM »

so what's this all about

Re: "Must See Documentary On The Pentagon Attack (new)" that Subject should give you a clue.

ReOPEN the 9/11 case USA.
ReOPEN the 11/3 case SPAIN.
ReOPEN the 7/7 case UK.

because we finally lost all our freedoms on that day we illegally hung the sovereign ruler of Iraq.
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« Reply #405 on: June 27, 2009, 02:05:25 AM »

listen up mockingbird there is no evidence i am a sock puppet for anyone. ever.
there is..
unlike you and your jref friends no part of me is anonymous. if i am a public figure then how by definition can i be a sock puppet?
first of all you are jumping ahead of the discussion, I did not say the jrefr's were my friends.. although there are quite a few I respect as logical thinkers..
why do you have to lie?
I have not intentionally lied.. it just seems rather coincidental that you started posting right after this thread was started.. possibly set up as a support player? as you so often insinuated on other threads about the debunkers?

yes because that is where i specialize my research. you can trace me back for years back to the first incarnation of the loose change forums and you will see that my 2 areas of interest in 9/11 were the pentagon and shanksville. so i can provide a couple links if anyone wants to verify that. again there was no cit or pilots for 911 truth then for me to be one of their sock puppets which they don't even do. there is no need for anyone of us to pretend we're someone else.
I'm not discounting your research into flight 93.. I just wanted to mention for all the readers.. that you are not a new poster and that you have a history with 911 research.. I think thats important for people to know..
THATS WHY I POSTED MY OWN NAME IN THIS THREAD. DUH.


LMAO!!!!

1984 alert!!!
laugh all you want..

i agree. it shows how quickly the other side falls apart when they resort to name calling, inventing theories and claims, and slandering both cit and pilots for 911 truth organizations.
name calling, invented theories, and slandering is rampant on BOTH sides..
none of which refute any of the eyewitness statements.
no they tend to refute themselves.. remember Boger's statement from 2001???
oh i'm craig? is that what your little italics is to imply?
no I highlighted the fact that it was you AND Craig..
i'll make you deal. i'll post my name and craig's name and photo's of each of us if you promise to post your name and a photo of yourself.
yeah like thats going to happen.. you can infer whatever you like from that answer.. but sensible people would understand why I would decline such a "gracious" invitation..
can't wait to hear the excuses for this one. in fact i already have them written down!! lol
add the above to your list.. are you a stalker?
p.s me and my ip are banned at ats. more proof none of your allegations and beliefs can hold any water.
being banned is proof? hah! you had way too many T&C violations.. typical paranoia.. banned because I had the truth.. sheesh..
so what happened at the pentagon on 9/11?
757 hit.. duh..
since i already outted one jref'er let's get a second.
you haven't outed anyone.. Scootle (if thats who you mean) has demonstrated an ability to think coherently and examine the evidence from an objective view.. that doesn't make him any less of a truther.. it makes him a better one..
tell me about fema and the plane hitting and the 65 tons of debris recovered. come on.
not saying there wasn't anything wrong with the picture that day..
but you gotta do better than Roberts as to a flyover..
and the argument that plane parts and light poles were somehow set up in the immediate proximity of a very busy, highly populated location.. basically during rush hour, and not having anyone come forward and snitch???
is preposterous..
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« Reply #406 on: June 27, 2009, 03:52:29 AM »

Hate to say it but when people like you and JimD are posting shit like this, it wouldn't surprise me either! This is the third time I have seen this same line of reasoning posted. Let's just keep on repeating it and wait for some deranged asshole to have the seed planted in his head.

Alright I'll stop saying it, i'm still wary tho ... the establishment is looking for any excuse it an to demonize the movement... They immediately tried to associate Von Brunn with 9/11 truth. Who knows what else they'll do... accusing Larry Silverstein, Rudy Guiliani or Dick Cheney of being involved in a mass murder plot is fine... accusing some random old man is not cool... even if we've got proof, the media would still ignore it and say its just a crazy accusation... just like they're ignoring the thermite proof.
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« Reply #407 on: June 27, 2009, 11:54:14 AM »

I'm not discounting your research into flight 93.. I just wanted to mention for all the readers.. that you are not a new poster and that you have a history with 911 research.. I think thats important for people to know..

i agree.

i've been doing this for over 5 years.

i've been extensively focused on shanksville and the pentagon during that time.

i interviewed shanksville eyewitnesses susan mcelwain [the biggest smoking gun eyewitness account the 9/11 truth movement has to this day] on location and also viola saylor. i also interviewed coroner wally miller.

i have done several radio shows over the years discussing my shanksville research.

mark roberts publicly twice challenged me to a tv debate on hardfire ron wieck's then show and backed out after i agreed.

in 2007 i released the documentaries reichstag 911 parts 1 & 2.

if you haven't seen the films then odds are you've seen the 'israeli involvement' section or as it is more commonly known "the mossad & the truck bombs of 9/11".

now that we made it clear who i am for the readers it would only be fair i think if you or someone else took the same courtesy to tell me a little about you since i don't know if you're a revolutionary or a bush apologist.


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but you gotta do better than Roberts as to a flyover..


its funny the old argument was that cit had no flyover witnesses. "couldn't even produce one" as the jref'ers would say. then cit produced one and now it's well you gotta do better than one flyover witness.

as if the 14 other witnesses who prove the plane couldn't have hit the building suddenly turn invisible.

cuz thats what it was.

see cit had all these north side witnesses and it was 'theres no flyover witness'.

cit could have 20 eyewitnesses and you would still post the debunked mark roberts article "104 witnesses saw an impact" which cit has thoroughly picked apart by contacting as many as those people as possible. unlike you and the people who post that link.


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and the argument that plane parts and light poles were somehow set up in the immediate proximity of a very busy, highly populated location.. basically during rush hour, and not having anyone come forward and snitch???
is preposterous..

as preposterous as people planting explosives inside the world trade center without anyone ever coming forward to snitch kind of preposterous? that kind?

cit clearly demonstrates that 4 of the light poles could have been put in place the night before and would never have been notice.

when you drive do you watch the road or do you look along the side of the road for light poles knocked down?

only lloyde's scene had to be done in real time. thats it.

they closed route 27 off for preparation of bush coming back. lloyde was the last person allowed on the road.

why aren't there any witnesses to this event?

if there were people on the other side of the highway why didn't they stick around to tell the authorities what happened?

how come this rush hour traffic and no one saw a light pole flying through the air and violently impaling an oncoming vehicle?

cit has a flyover witness but you impact people can't find an "i watch the cab get impaled" witness.

no witness to that exists therefor it did not happen.
a witness to the flyover exists therefor it happened.

what plane did joel sucherman see speeding away from the pentagon "3-5 seconds" after seeing the explosion?
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« Reply #408 on: June 27, 2009, 03:29:56 PM »

cit clearly demonstrates that 4 of the light poles could have been put in place the night before and would never have been notice.

The other thing about the light poles is that after supposedly being smashed into by a 500mph plane THEY ALL landed a few feet away from their bases.

Now I find that very strange.
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« Reply #409 on: June 27, 2009, 03:41:11 PM »

Yeah, funny that. Im pretty sure light posts are not built to withstand impacts of 500mph. 150 maybe, but 500?

Also , all the shots i have seen of the pentagon does not have much in the way of road traffic. How soon after the incident did it take for the msm to get there and start broadcasting ?
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« Reply #410 on: June 27, 2009, 03:46:55 PM »

150 maybe,

Not even that, they are supposed to give easy if crashed into by a car, it's to lessen crush injuries.
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« Reply #411 on: June 27, 2009, 03:52:21 PM »

I don`t honestly know, I`m not an engineer, but common sense tells me that they would appear more damaged than they were on the official photos !
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« Reply #412 on: June 27, 2009, 03:54:31 PM »

I don`t honestly know, I`m not an engineer, but common sense tells me that they would appear more damaged than they were on the official photos !

I would expect them to travel more than a few feet.
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« Reply #413 on: June 27, 2009, 03:58:34 PM »

well exactly, and be significantly more bent out of shape than they were. The nicely curved lampost on the floor by (Earl if my memory serves me right?) car was laughable.
Or it would be if this was the least bit funny.
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« Reply #414 on: June 27, 2009, 04:10:38 PM »

This is a good thread about the poles -

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread418454/pg1
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« Reply #415 on: June 27, 2009, 04:46:06 PM »

now that we made it clear who i am for the readers it would only be fair i think if you or someone else took the same courtesy to tell me a little about you since i don't know if you're a revolutionary or a bush apologist.
not gonna happen, I don't need any unforeseen "complications" in my life..
I will say that I am certainly no Bush apologist, history will not be kind to his administration..
I am not in the MIHOP camp obviously, but that doesn't mean I support the whole OS either.. I take each facet and apply logic.. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water..


its funny the old argument was that cit had no flyover witnesses. "couldn't even produce one" as the jref'ers would say. then cit produced one and now it's well you gotta do better than one flyover witness.
more witnesses would weigh heavier, there should be more, the place was very busy at that time of day..

cit could have 20 eyewitnesses and you would still post the debunked mark roberts article "104 witnesses saw an impact" which cit has thoroughly picked apart by contacting as many as those people as possible. unlike you and the people who post that link.
no I would consider their testimony carefully.. I am not afraid to be wrong..
and I do give CIT and yourself credit for doing the leg work, fair enough?


as preposterous as people planting explosives inside the world trade center without anyone ever coming forward to snitch kind of preposterous? that kind?
I find that preposterous as well, if we are to assume the buildings were wired in haste as is suggested during the preceding couple of weeks..

cit clearly demonstrates that 4 of the light poles could have been put in place the night before and would never have been notice.
but why?? knowing that the next morning they were going to have to produce a magic show on a scale never before attempted.. just fly the damn thing from the direction you want.. no need for this ridiculous subterfuge..

when you drive do you watch the road or do you look along the side of the road for light poles knocked down?
I drive the same road every day.. I notice discrepancies and changes to the norm..

only lloyde's scene had to be done in real time. thats it.

they closed route 27 off for preparation of bush coming back. lloyde was the last person allowed on the road.

why aren't there any witnesses to this event?
I don't know.. we all want to interview the guy who helped him out..

if there were people on the other side of the highway why didn't they stick around to tell the authorities what happened?
again.. don't know.. there was easily a thousand people who might have come forward.. but we don't have that many do we?

how come this rush hour traffic and no one saw a light pole flying through the air and violently impaling an oncoming vehicle?
there are witnesses to light poles being hit.. just not that particular one..

no witness to that exists therefor it did not happen.
a witness to the flyover exists therefor it happened.
logical fallacy from both sides..

what plane did joel sucherman see speeding away from the pentagon "3-5 seconds" after seeing the explosion?
don't know that either but why isn't he a NoC witness??? as Adam Larson points out here..
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/04/joel-sucherman-noc-witness.html
original Sucherman interview.. says he saw it hit..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx13ilb0ZkQ
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« Reply #416 on: June 27, 2009, 06:14:40 PM »

the argument that plane parts and light poles were somehow set up in the immediate proximity of a very busy, highly populated location.. basically during rush hour, and not having anyone come forward and snitch???
is preposterous..

FAQ: How could the light poles and taxi cab scene have been staged in broad daylight?

http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/faq-staged_light_poles.html
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« Reply #417 on: June 27, 2009, 11:08:55 PM »

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread418454/pg1

Interesting i had not seen that before ,thanks.
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« Reply #418 on: June 28, 2009, 10:34:46 PM »

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listen up mockingbird there is no evidence i am a sock puppet for anyone. ever.
there is..

where?

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unlike you and your jref friends no part of me is anonymous. if i am a public figure then how by definition can i be a sock puppet?
first of all you are jumping ahead of the discussion, I did not say the jrefr's were my friends.. although there are quite a few I respect as logical thinkers..


yeah i'm sure people like parky76 are your hero.

now will you tell me how a public person can be a sock puppet and who i am a sock puppet for and where that evidence is?

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why do you have to lie?
I have not intentionally lied.. it just seems rather coincidental that you started posting right after this thread was started.. possibly set up as a support player? as you so often insinuated on other threads about the debunkers?

wrong.

a member of the cit forums posted the link to this thread. when i saw what you and 'scootle' were passing off as pentagon "facts" i became infuriated and decided someone should step up to the plate and keep you from muddying the waters.

notice how you and scootle do everything possible to not talk about the eyewitnesses in the above presentation except to throw lloyde under the bus and call him senile. how sad bush defenders are.

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yes because that is where i specialize my research. you can trace me back for years back to the first incarnation of the loose change forums and you will see that my 2 areas of interest in 9/11 were the pentagon and shanksville. so i can provide a couple links if anyone wants to verify that. again there was no cit or pilots for 911 truth then for me to be one of their sock puppets which they don't even do. there is no need for anyone of us to pretend we're someone else.
I'm not discounting your research into flight 93.. I just wanted to mention for all the readers.. that you are not a new poster and that you have a history with 911 research.. I think thats important for people to know..

then how can i be a sock puppet if i have an established history in the 9/11 truth community dating back 4 or 5 years?



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THATS WHY I POSTED MY OWN NAME IN THIS THREAD. DUH.


LMAO!!!!

1984 alert!!!
laugh all you want..

bottom line : you're afraid to say who you are and i'm not. looks like the credibility ball is in my court.

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i agree. it shows how quickly the other side falls apart when they resort to name calling, inventing theories and claims, and slandering both cit and pilots for 911 truth organizations.
name calling, invented theories, and slandering is rampant on BOTH sides..

it is the only line of defense against the work of cit.

why can't one of you people go out and find 13 or 14 out of the "104 impact witnesses" to agree to be filmed on location describing the southern approach which never goes over the navy annex or to the north side of the citgo station?

why can't one of you people go out and find 3 or 4 people from the "rush hour traffic" who saw a light pole impaled into a cab or saw an airplane tearing them out of the ground?

WHY? WHY? WHY?


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none of which refute any of the eyewitness statements.
no they tend to refute themselves.. remember Boger's statement from 2001???

is there where your side wants to talk about boger's superman like bravery that when he sees a plane coming he just stands there and watches it crash right next to him even though he mentions hitting the deck in the cit vid?

it doesn't matter what a witness believes.

what matter is if what they saw was real.

again and again and again from before the navy annex to over the navy annex to the north side of the citgo station and close to anc the claim is corroborated.

fake anonymous jref'ers can write up whatever type of rubbish they like in regards to the "improbability" of the flight path but the bottom line is this is how this should be viewed :

anc & citgo station are the left & right poles of the goalposts.
did the ball go between the posts?
was the field goal good?

every single eyewitness says the field goal was good.

have sit down and draw where the ball went and some will say by the left goal post and some will say the right goal post and some will say down the middle but it doesn't matter. none of that matters.

the ball went in between the goal posts is the bottom line.

the plane flew between anc and the north side of the citgo.

again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and again.

and like 6 more friggin times "again".

is it sinking in yet?

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oh i'm craig? is that what your little italics is to imply?
no I highlighted the fact that it was you AND Craig..

what me and craig both talk about the amazing pentagon research cit has done?

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i'll make you deal. i'll post my name and craig's name and photo's of each of us if you promise to post your name and a photo of yourself.
yeah like thats going to happen.. you can infer whatever you like from that answer.. but sensible people would understand why I would decline such a "gracious" invitation..

because you're a coward who attacks people with the shield of anonymity.

unlike me, craig, aldo, & rob balsamo you don't ever have to be held accountable to anything you say about us or the pentagon.

you are here to attempt to discredit research by attacking researchers. that is your only objective. so naturally you want to hide.

you don't want me telling people how you backed out of a televised debate that you initiated like i have about mark roberts again and again and again.

thats why i have a teensy bit more respect for him than individuals like you albeit he's a spook.

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can't wait to hear the excuses for this one. in fact i already have them written down!! lol
add the above to your list.. are you a stalker?

no i just have a way of exposing the truth.

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p.s me and my ip are banned at ats. more proof none of your allegations and beliefs can hold any water.
being banned is proof? hah! you had way too many T&C violations.. typical paranoia.. banned because I had the truth.. sheesh..

where did i say why i was banned?

and for the record i never had one single t&c violation at ats. i didn't even post there enough to get one.

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so what happened at the pentagon on 9/11?
757 hit.. duh..

now everyone here knows where you stand.

if this evidence is such garbage you can ignore it.

see for example i don't believe that spacebeams and holograms were used on 9/11.
i spend zero amount of my time discussing/debunking that.

i don't believe in bigfoot or little green men or gods above and i spend zero percent of my time "debunking" or "ridiculing" people who do.

and you implied that i am a stalker?

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since i already outted one jref'er let's get a second.
you haven't outed anyone.. Scootle (if thats who you mean) has demonstrated an ability to think coherently and examine the evidence from an objective view.. that doesn't make him any less of a truther.. it makes him a better one..

scootle thinks nist is garbage on the wtc and fema death camps is the holy grail on the pentagon.
scootle thinks "90%" of 9/11 truth has been debunked by a site that alleges truthers threaten to mass execute people, are holocaust deniers, are white supremacists and every other piece of rubbish that has been thrown at the truth movement.

it originates in the amazing randi's cesspool forums like a little cia training camp.
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« Reply #419 on: June 28, 2009, 10:36:37 PM »

if at somepoint either pcc or scootle actually want to discuss the amazing documentar released by cit in detail i am ready.

this off topic drivel and utter rubbish being passed off as some sort of debate is a waste of everyones time.

watch the documentary.

don't listen to me.

don't listen to scootle.

don't listen to pcc.

watch the documentary.

then listen to yourself.
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« Reply #420 on: July 06, 2009, 04:07:10 PM »

Im not criticisng the documentary im suggesting that they interview some of the firefighters ...

U notice how none of the firefighters for 9/11 truth petition signers and members are arlington county firefighters ...

Could it be because they all know a plane hit the pentagon?

If CIT interviews one who says he has his doubts about the official story then I might start listening...
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« Reply #421 on: July 06, 2009, 04:23:15 PM »

Look at all that debris ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbaxMC5diQA&fmt=18
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« Reply #422 on: July 06, 2009, 05:00:34 PM »

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Im not criticisng the documentary im suggesting that they interview some of the firefighters ...

U notice how none of the firefighters for 9/11 truth petition signers and members are arlington county firefighters ...

Could it be because they all know a plane hit the pentagon?

If CIT interviews one who says he has his doubts about the official story then I might start listening...

 
 How hard would it be, given years to plan, to make sure the firefighters were under the wing of the operation? Not saying thats true, but it could be.

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 Did you notice the witness interviewed in that segment said it was a small plane?
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« Reply #423 on: July 06, 2009, 05:54:18 PM »


If that's the best you can do you're in trouble. I can't see obvious plane debris, just stuff which looks like bits of the Pentagon. Also as the above post mentions the witness says it was a small plane. CIT have provivded actual evidence to back up their claims. Something you haven't as far as I can tell.

If you accept the officially stated required manoeuvre of a full size commercial jet to hit the Pentagon was impossible by human hand, you've got to assume it would be impossible via remote as well. The only explanation I can see is a smaller craft of whatever type was what actually crashed into the building, co-inciding with the flyover decoy.
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« Reply #424 on: July 06, 2009, 07:06:33 PM »

Their presentation is based on witness testimony... but if ur gonna interview witnesses then u should also interview the people who were at the scene ... the firefighters etc ... after all they were the people with the best idea as to what went on that day. Why hasnt any of the firefighters at the pentagon came forward reporting something strange ... lots of new york firefighters have come forward and blew the whistle on strange goings on in the towers... noone from the arlington fire dept has come forward and questioned whether or not a 767 hit ... let me guess ... all 50 plus of them are in on it right?

First responder are on record talking about smelling aviation fuel, pulling out plane parts embedded in support columns and picking up burnt pieces of luggage, seats and passengers from the plane ... u wanna argue a plane some BS flyover theory... talk to them.

Thats what annoys me so much about many "truthseekers" ... its like the people who argue the Flight 93 phone calls were fake ... now they may be right, I dunno, but none of them have actually ever spoke to the family members who recieved these supposedly fake calls to see what they think... Well guess what ... others have ... in the documentary "The flight that fought back" pretty much every one who recieved a call from flight 93 was interviewed ... now yes the program was a complete propaganda piece... it was narrated by Kiefer Sutherland for f**k sake... but if u actually watch it u'll see that many of the anomolies are explained by the family members themselves... for example that infamous line "hi mum, it's me mark bingham" is explained by his mother as just some little thing he liked to do.
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« Reply #425 on: July 06, 2009, 07:27:59 PM »

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 Did you notice the witness interviewed in that segment said it was a small plane? @ 2 Minutes in to this vid.
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« Reply #426 on: July 06, 2009, 11:51:12 PM »

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Re: Pentacon/CIT/Lloyde England stuff is DISINFO-this is a con job,wake up

like, who changed the TITLE of this thread?  was that wise without a full independent inquiry?

or is there IRREFUTABLE evidence that a) the official story is the only kosha meat or b) CIT is a hit piece, inventing and framing.
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« Reply #427 on: July 07, 2009, 01:27:57 AM »

like, who changed the TITLE of this thread?  was that wise without a full independent inquiry?

It was combined with the original thread which is where I kept quoting stuff from prior where the whole cab driver ordeal was trotted out as schizophrenic disinformation.
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« Reply #428 on: July 07, 2009, 04:16:42 AM »

this is a vain effort to get the TITLE of this thread back to what it was before, namely:

Re: Must See Documentary On The Pentagon Attack (new)

I'll let mods know about this, too. I do no like the idea of TITLEs being renamed without the NECESSARY evidence to justify such.

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« Reply #429 on: July 07, 2009, 04:24:37 AM »

I dunno... it wasnt JimD... he hasnt logged in for almost a month ... maybe it was sane.
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« Reply #430 on: July 07, 2009, 05:04:16 AM »

this is a vain effort to get the TITLE of this thread back to what it was before, namely:

Re: Must See Documentary On The Pentagon Attack (new)

I'll let mods know about this, too. I do no like the idea of TITLEs being renamed without the NECESSARY evidence to justify such.

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Totally agree, Mike. I just assumed it was Scootle but he's obviously claiming not.

For what its worth, if this is what it's come to this forum is losing serious credibility. But then maybe that's the idea.......
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« Reply #431 on: July 07, 2009, 05:22:49 AM »

Im not a mod... the title wasnt changed it was merged with the other thread... I dont have the power to do that.
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« Reply #432 on: July 07, 2009, 05:29:25 AM »

looks like the merging 'adopted' the title ... mods will fix this (I hope)

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« Reply #433 on: July 07, 2009, 05:45:48 AM »

In case they don't.........

It's down in the Faux Controversies & Case Studies section as having been started by UK Lyn, and that's misleading as her original title was about the 'must see video'. As far as I can tell that was the thread which got the most traffic and for whichever mod it was to blanket alter it to something which is simply a massively generalised (and very shaky) opinion makes a mockery of what this place is supposed to be about.

I'll say it again, the CIT video provides actual evidence which would stand up in any unbiased court in the world. Those poles were not knocked down by a 767 - come on now, they just weren't. The required manoeuvre has been shown to have been impossible. There is no CCTV. And I've not seen any video testimony from independent eyewitnesses confirming that that was what hit. If one of the 'powers that be' on this site could provide it I'd be happy to listen.
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« Reply #434 on: July 07, 2009, 05:50:09 AM »

which was exactly my point for Reply (to the old thread TITLE) in the first place

hint: if you all reply to my posts, the ORIGINAL TITLE will be retained, in the interim - i.e. until a) the title is changed back (and an explanation given for the retitling) or b) new evidence to support the retitling is shown.

I vote a) in lieu of b)
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« Reply #435 on: July 07, 2009, 05:56:02 AM »

Well, I'm just giving a manual altering to my particular reply titles on this, as that's all I can really do to state my opinion......
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« Reply #436 on: July 07, 2009, 06:30:41 AM »

which was exactly my point for Reply (to the old thread TITLE) in the first place

hint: if you all reply to my posts, the ORIGINAL TITLE will be retained, in the interim - i.e. until a) the title is changed back (and an explanation given for the retitling) or b) new evidence to support the retitling is shown.

I vote a) in lieu of b)
I hate it when "someone" changes thread tites. Its happened to me a few times too. Very annoying when the original title so much better described the content of the thread than the newer -  generically vaugue title.
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« Reply #437 on: July 07, 2009, 06:37:22 AM »

I hate it when "someone" changes thread tites. Its happened to me a few times too. Very annoying when the original title so much better described the content of the thread than the newer -  generically vaugue title.
            for everybodys info, i was the original poster of  ..must see documentary pentagon attack (new)    as to why its merged in another thread i have know idea  Huh Huh was posted june 17th       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104408.msg694328#msg694328
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« Reply #438 on: July 07, 2009, 07:25:58 AM »

           for everybodys info, i was the original poster of  ..must see documentary pentagon attack (new)    as to why its merged in another thread i have know idea  Huh Huh was posted june 17th       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104408.msg694328#msg694328

Apologies - credit where credit's due.......

Going back to the hijacked thread title: Is all the CIT presented evidence 'disinfo' in the same way as all the evidence exposing Israeli crimes is 'anti-semitic' (whatever that means) on the other thread?

Just wondering......
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« Reply #439 on: July 07, 2009, 09:39:52 AM »

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Did you notice the witness interviewed in that segment said it was a small plane? @ 2 Minutes in to this vid.

  I fully understand and appreciate healthy scepticism, but find it telling you dont want to comment on something that doesnt fit into your theory. On its own this witness doesnt prove much, but coupled with the other witnesses in the cit flick it raises my eyebrow.
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