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Author Topic: Our 10th Amendment Sovereignty Resolve, Will Defeat the New World Order!  (Read 46387 times)
JTCoyoté
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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2009, 03:10:47 AM »

But, the States have given up some power to their creation, the Federal Government, and that power cannot be added unto nor taken away without a Constitutional Amendment.  A State, as long as it continues within this agreement, does NOT have the power individually, contrary to what is stated in a few of the sovereignty resolutions, to either remove a power from its delegated position in the Federal Government, or to assume such power to itself.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not understand where you get the idea that the States have the power to delete or to delegate more powers to the Federal Government by any form other than a Constitutional Convention.  That, to the extent of my knowledge, is the only way for the States themselves, to amend any powers delegated to the Fed.  The other way is for Congress to propose amendments, or even an entirely new Constitution, and that the States ratify them.

I completely agree with you that many of the dealings within the Federal Government are currently unconstitutional, and that the States collectively have the right to call these acts out, and to nullify them, but I do not believe that the States have any authority to direct the Federal Government in any of its legitimately constitutional actions such as the powers defined in Article 1, Section 8, or any where else in the Constitution of the United States, because they gave up these powers individually in order for the entire country to posess them collectively.

You said that the current government is not legitimately and physically the actual government created by the Constitution?  In what way do you mean this?  Are you saying this with regards to the District of Columbia itself and its jurisdiction, or the actual people who are running it?

The states did not give up the powers enumerated in article I section 8. These powers are merely communicated from the several states, in exchange for value of the equal worth from the central agent. You don't give up your rights to a lawyer when he is hired to represent you, same with the relationship of the federal government and the States... Article IV is an example of some of the exchange goods the States are to receive from the federal agent, with article IV section 4 being particularly noteworthy.

As I've pointed out in one of my earlier "lengthy" posts, several of the states resolutions will not pass because they are not abiding by the rules of lawful service. I'm sure you can surmise what that means, and most state legislators understand what it means as well. In that post I also spelled out the proper procedure.

Your comment:
 
"Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not understand where you get the idea that the states have the power to delete or to delegate more powers to the federal government by any form other than a constitutional convention."

This is a curious statement, it presupposes that the state is deleting power granted by the Constitution, or attempting to delegate powers to the federal government that are not enumerated therein. This is not the case in this movement at all. The 10th Amendment Resolution portends housecleaning only with the broom of Article I Section 8 in hand. Since the powers delegated by the constitutional agreement between the state's are still state powers that have been ceded by provisions in the agreement between the states, to a 3rd party, to the federal agent, we the states have absolute control of that agent and desire that the agent, the federal government, cease the process of voting itself powers that are not specifically within their defined powers to hold.

Much the same way that power of attorney is granted by you to your legal agent. The states by the 10th amendment, still have the power to access and resend, through the individual 10th amendment effort of each state throughout the 50 states, together, without the communication of a convention, but from the laws of necessity, as spelled out in the Declaratory Enabling Act that gave rise to the Constitution namely the Declaration of Independence.  

This knowledge is quite well known among the powerful in Washington DC, who remain silent about it and hedge every bet against it... this is why, when the 10th amendment state sovereignty movement was about to reach a crescendo in the mid-90s, the folks pushing it, those Constitutional patriots, had to be demonized and stopped. The Oklahoma City bombing was engineered precisely by the feds, to take care of this problem.

The reason for the aforementioned housecleaning is pretty obvious, and is apparent to a majority of the states presently. The federal government has been giving unto itself, power at the expense of the states and the people of the states, which it has no constitutional power to grant itself. It is doing so only by deconstruction of word, grammar, and definition, and inventing against the Constitution webs of convolved meaning, beyond the bounds of what an intelligent man can tolerate.

Only the states, and their people have the power, through constitutional process, which includes the 10th amendment process, to rein in an agent who is bent upon the absolute destruction of the principals ( the States), by misuse of the agreement that created it.

So you're above quoted statement seems to me, a bit of a non sequitur given the discussion thus far, at least as far as I have advanced it. I see in it, however, what seems as an attempt at wrenching meanings from my words that are not there at all.

A super majority of the 50 states, by individual initiative, has the power under the 10th amendment to accomplish without convention the opening up of the entire amended law after the date of ratification December 15, 1791, and to reiterate, certainly without a convention.  The only reason for a convention, would be to open the Ratified in Convention 1791 Constitution to change... and that, is what we, this effort, this movement, absolutely, emphatically, and well beyond a shadow of a doubt, DO NOT WANT! NOR WILL WE ACCEPT!!

I will once again refer you to Thomas Jefferson:

''...on every question of construction [of the Constitution], let us carry
ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the
spirit manifested in the Debates, & instead of trying what meaning may be
squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one
in which it was passed.''
~Thomas Jefferson

This is a very important quote that has been ignored by virtually all interpreters of the Constitution, since John Jay was the Chief Justice of the court. Also, as we pull away in time from the date of the framing of this monumental work, more and more people within government, know less and less about the foundation documents, and have mistakenly come to see the federal government as the center of power. This is of course wrong.

It is also the reason why the states must, every 200 years or so clean up the complacent trash that has been gathering around the agreement which they all so honorably signed. This may include firing the attorney and hiring a new one. But the agreement between the states, the Organic Constitution, which is guarded at its conclusion by the 10th amendment of that Constitution and Bill of Rights, will remain. All else is within the 9th and 10th amendment state powers to dissolve or change.


As to the last part of your post dealing with our current rogue federal government operating every minute outside of the Constitution, because of its corporate structure and its sneaky way of utilizing the power of the Constitution without having to abide by the Constitution, I suggest that you read closely the following linked material, then we can discuss it.

Much was weeded through at this link, before we could get to the level in the discussion that leads to the "aha eureka" phenomenon of understanding how the federal slight of hand was accomplished. Here is the link...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63062.0

This will help... but it does get rather esoteric in the grasping department, though it is pretty concrete in the factual. It is quite like looking at one of those early holograms that looked like a bunch of dots and squiggles in pastel colors on the paper that you held in the sunlight to see. It was impossible to see at first, until that one time, when it popped out at you... then you never had a problem being able to see it from then on.

JTCoyoté

"A government that is large enough to supply everything
you need is large enough to take everything you have."

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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2009, 12:15:42 PM »

Our friend Michael G. has ferreted out this copy of the paper trail of the 1995 MAINE 10th Amendment Sovereignty Resolution, from it's introduction to it's adoption on April 11, 1995. Thanks Michael.

Click on the thumbnail images below to read the document full size...







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"...the State of Colorado hereby claims sovereignty, under the 10th
Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, over all powers
not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by
the United States Constitution."
~From HJR-94-1035, The First
10th Amendment State Sovereignty Resolution, 1994
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« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2010, 10:54:22 AM »

Quote from: matt butler
(posted on infowars.com 9/13/10)

matt butler Says:
September 13th, 2010 at 12:15 am

I read this case and have also studied it while in law school and it does not do all the things you imply Mr. Coyote. It stands for the very limited constitutional law that the federal government cannot pass laws pressing State officers and employees into service of the federal government. In the case this meant it was unconstitutional to require county sheriffs to participate in brady background checks on guns. If the feds wanted such checks they had to administer them.


Matt,

It seems you would have us believe that if the feds had sent a small force of agents into each county of every state to administer and enforce the provisions of the Brady Act, that would have been okay. An invasion of agents to enforce federal law, in violation of several constitutional provisions as well as the very spirit of the Declaration of Independence... hmm, that's an interesting take on it.

You fail to mention however that several of the questioned Brady provisions were rendered "obsolete" by Insta-Check, long before the Petition was ever heard by the high court. Therefore it would seem that something more fundamental was driving this appeal as well.

If you take the time to read the 11,400 word Court Opinion by Justice Scalia, and the Concurring Opinions of Justices O'Conner and Thomas, you come away with the understanding that much more is being ruled on here than a few Brady provisions or the idea of federal commandeering of County Sheriffs and other state officials. 

This ruling upholds not only the state's 10th Amendment power and sovereignty, it reinforces the 9th Amendment standing of the people as the very source of state power. This is a masterwork by Scalia, and should be studied a lot deeper than you were instructed to do in law school.

My assertion that much more was on the plate when the Appeal was initiated, is not just a feeling, you must know that I was involved in the 10th Amendment State Sovereignty movement from the beginning at it's birthplace in the Colorado State Capitol.  I am well aware of what Sheriff Mack was up to in 1994/95... hands on.

Here is a snippet from Scalia's Court Opinion that gets to the essentials of the ruling on Printz v. United States (95-1478), 521 U.S. 898 (1997)


  "Although the States surrendered many of their powers to the new Federal Government, they retained "a residuary and inviolable sovereignty," The Federalist No. 39, at 245 (J. Madison). This is reflected throughout the Constitution's text, Lane County v. Oregon,  7 Wall. 71, 76 (1869); Texas v. White, 7 Wall. 700, 725 (1869), including (to mention only a few examples) the prohibition on any involuntary reduction or combination of a State's territory, Art. IV, §3; the Judicial Power Clause, Art. III, §2, and the Privileges and Immunities Clause, Art. IV, §2, which speak of the "Citizens" of the States; the amendment provision, Article V, which requires the votes of three fourths of the States to amend the Constitution; and the Guarantee Clause, Art. IV, §4, which "presupposes the continued existence of the states and . . . those means and instrumentalities which are the creation of their sovereign and reserved rights," Helvering v. Gerhardt, 304 U.S. 405, 414-415 (1938). Residual state sovereignty was also implicit, of course, in the Constitution's conferral upon Congress of not all governmental powers, but only discrete, enumerated ones, Art. I, §8, which implication was rendered express by the Tenth Amendment's assertion that "[t]he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

  The Framers' experience under the Articles of Confederation had persuaded them that using the States as the instruments of federal governance was both ineffectual and provocative of federal state conflict. See The Federalist No. 15. Preservation of the States as independent political entities being the price of union, and "[t]he practicality of making laws, with coercive sanctions, for the States as political bodies" having been, in Madison's words, "exploded on all hands," 2 Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, p. 9 (M. Farrand ed. 1911), the Framers rejected the concept of a central government that would act upon and through the States, and instead designed a system in which the state and federal governments would exercise concurrent authority over the people--who were, in Hamilton's words, "the only proper objects of government," The Federalist No. 15, at 109. We have set forth the historical record in more detail elsewhere, see New York v. United States, 505 U. S., at 161-166, and need not repeat it here."


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"An Unconstitutional Act is not a law;
it confers no rights; it imposes no duties;
it affords no protection; it creates no office;                                                   
it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative
as though it had never been passed."

--U.S. Supreme Court,
Norton V. Shelby County
118 U.S. 425, 442

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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2010, 02:05:39 AM »

We The People must reclaim our Constitution.

Whether we care to admit it or not, it is well past time for the people to break their attachment to the left/right, Republican/Democrat, liberal/conservative, false political paradigms.  "The People must reclaim our Constitution," expounded State Senator Charlie Duke in his speech before the crowd at the Colorado State Republican Convention in June of 1996.  Charlie knew all to well the face of the peoples enemy. He also knew the only way to peacefully defeat the nation usurping corporate bankers, was to apprise the people of the power of the Constitution; that they should arm themselves with it, and know how to use it.

Yes, the solution is the Constitution with it's 9th Amendment protected Rights -- each individual holds these Rights as Inalienable by birth, together we bring them into action through the 10th Amendment power of each State.  Lawful constitutional clout, aimed directly at the titles of nobility fondling globalist power brokers, the haters of individual liberty.  Thomas Jefferson hit the nail on the head, with the following unambiguous words:


"I have sworn upon the altar of almighty God,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny
over the mind of man."


We must say NO to the Corporate Statists and their fraudulent parties. NO to their coerced tax legislation funded Wall Street banks, and their Goebbels-esque main stream media propaganda machine which promotes this agenda. They march together lockstep, connected at the hip, they're hell-bent on turning the United States into a sub-state, North American Union, third world multi-cultural fiefdom, ripe for culling.  What's left will be merged into the elite's global tyranny envisaged by F.A. Hayek in his 1944 book The Road to Serfdom. Our only hope is if We the people of each state, pull together reclaiming the Constitutional United States. This will terminate our slide into neo-feudalism. It will mean arousing folks into frightful awareness and educating as many as we can.  Again Jefferson foresaw our plight:

"Fear can only prevail when victims
are ignorant of the facts."


Unfortunately, we have been long-term hoodwinked by the global corporate bankers by their preferred method of political divide and conquer -- corporate commandeering of the Party system.  Formally created in the French Parliament in the 1700s, the party system cleaved government administration along philosophical lines. By splitting policies and programs into parties, this eventually became that particular party's niche. Because there is no separation of corporation and state, the lions share of funding for both political parties today is from corporate banking coffers.  

In other words, they completely control the two major political parties.  Together, we must unite in our Inalienable power to halt this incremental dismantling of the ideas of the Founders even of the Constitution itself.  As Reform Candidate Pat Buchanan stated in his stump speeches during the 2000 presidential campaign:

"The Democrats and the Republicans are the two
wings of the same bird of prey, which is feasting
upon the Constitution and the American people."


From the beginning, George Washington saw the destructive liabilities of party factioning. Though he is characterized today as a federalist, his pro-individual and state sovereignty stand is well publicized.  In his July 6th, 1796 letter to Thomas Jefferson, Washington recollected:

"I was no party man myself, and the first
wish of my heart was, if parties did exist,
to reconcile them."


So here we are, dealing with the same imperial interests we thought were expelled from our shores 229 years ago. The same elitist machine that America supposedly defeated in our War for Independence.   Unfortunately the enemy just went underground to wage a covert war of intrigue, infiltration, and subterfuge instead.  Founding Father and signer of the Declaration of Independence Benjamin Rush characterized it this way:

"The American war is over; but this is far from being the case
with the American revolution. On the contrary, nothing but
the first act of the drama is closed."


This "Cold banking War" turned hot for the first time in the War of 1812. Pressed service on the high seas and piracy by the British was touted publicly as the reason. More likely, it was because of Congress and Madison's decision not to recharter the British owned First Bank of the United States. Madison summed up his reasons for not renewing the charter, this way:

"History records that the money changers have used every
form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible
to maintain their control over governments by controlling
money and its issuance."


Thomas Jefferson reiterates Madison, beginning with a hope, then a fear, and finally a forewarning:

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of
our moneyed corporations, which dare already to
challenge our government to a trial of strength,
and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

-- To George Logan, (Nov. 1816)


The bank mania is raising up a moneyed aristocracy in
our country which has already set the government at
defiance, and although forced at length to yield a little
on this first essay of their strength their principles are
un yielded and unyielding. These have taken deep root
in the hearts of that class from which our legislators are
drawn, and the sop to Cerberus from fable has become
history. Their principles lay hold of the good, their pelf
of the bad, and thus those whom the Constitution had
placed as guards to its portals, are sophisticated or
suborned from their duties."
-- To Dr. J.B. Stuart, (1817)


This long Cold War for conquest of America re-established itself in the form of the Second  Bank of the U.S. being chartered in 1816. This came as a result of political pressure over the war debt owed European bankers who helped finance the war of 1812. Madison understood this type of covert economic war. He knew it was planned long before the ink was dry on Cornwallis' signature of surrender to Washington at Yorktown.

In 1836, the fiat debt fraud created by these corporate banksters, was already sucking the life out of the nations economy.  Andrew Jackson, also understanding the banker's scheme, drove a stake so deep in the heart of the Second Bank of the U.S. beast, it took 77 years before the private banking monster was sufficiently out of our national memory, for the creature to rise once again.  It was brought back to life in 1913 as the Federal Reserve Bank. Jackson was an ardent proponent of a strong 10th Amendment in the states to check federal power, including European banking interests with state branch banking on their mind.  To get around Jackson's 1836 "I Killed the Bank," federal prohibition, the corporate bankers went after the 10th Amendment in a very sneaky way which Jackson foresaw. On this subject he had this to say:

"Unless you become more watchful in your states
and check the spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive
privileges you will in the end find that... the control
over your dearest interests has passed into the hands
of these corporations."


The bankers knew if they could force division between the agrarian South and the industrial North provoking a war and then loaning funds to both sides they could use popular opinion against the 10th Amendment. They began fanning the flames, manipulating the rhetoric of slavery.   Funded by the corporate European banking elite, paid provocateurs initiated hyperbole in the press, started riots in the streets, steered well meaning groups into acts of violence, which successfully silenced all meaningful state and congressional debate to resolve the slavery issue. Banker money provocateured the first shots at Fort Sumter, and the Civil War erupted.

Suffice it to say, this spelled the beginning of the end of our national sovereignty by 1871. The reverberations of our relative collective ignorance of the facts surrounding and initiating the Civil War and the Carpetbaggers joke called "Reconstruction," are amplified in the mistakes we are making today. In the following quote, Lincoln enunciates what we should all know -- he states clearly what we should be loudly demanding. He voices what we must remind our representatives and judges of incessantly:

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress
and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but
to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."


It is up to us to make necessary changes using our Right-filled responsibility under the inspired methods laid out in our Constitution. Once folks see the incremental craftiness of this globalist confiscation of our birthright, when it is finally realized and understood, it impacts so deeply, it is as if they had always known it -- it is that clear.  The States and WE the people must unite around our mutual Constitutional contract -- only then can we honestly begin to halt and reverse this slow multi-generational takeover.

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JTCoyoté

“The Founders set up the 1st Amendment so religion could never become
a divisive tool of faction to destroy the People’s government. If only they
could have foreseen how powerful corporations would accomplish the
same terrible deed -- to manipulate, direct, and control government to the
detriment of the people and the destruction of Liberty.
~JTCoyoté


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