Thanks to Scribbler, we have a transcript of the Alex Jones 2/16/09 interview in it's entirety with "yours truly" on the foundation history of the modern 10th Amendment State Sovereignty movement. I have corrected some dates in the interview in red to compensate for my memory lapses on the air...
Here are the first 3 of the 4 parts of the interview from The Alex Jones Channel on youtube the entire show can be found in the www.prisonplanet.com
//transcript begins sometime into the third hour of the 2/16/09 broadcast//
AJ: JTCoyote is Cherokee-Choctaw and he got involved back in ’93 with Charles Duke, a representative out of El Paso county, Colorado. And he worked with him to help get the 1994 resolution passed in the 59th session of the Colorado State Legislature in ’94. That work also became a four-year fight for the Constitution (again). And we’ve got the original bill here and also some of his work. He does some great postings up at prisonplanet dot com forum. So I wanted to introduce him because Colorado, to my knowledge, was the first state to pass a 10th Amendment resolution saying, “Look, feds, you can’t be in here telling us what to do.” And now we see 21 states and growing that are saying “no” to FEMA camps, “no” to gun control, “no” to banning home-school, “no” to forced conscription. So this is one of the biggest, strongest solutions we’ve got but it’s up to you the people to get these bills introduced in your legislature. How do you do that? You get copies that you like from other states. Read over them Do some research. We have them all listed at infowars dot com. We’ve had now over the last few weeks a whole bunch of State Reps here on the air. I’m going on Coast to Coast AM tonight to put the call out. We’re doing that but I wanted to get JTCoyote on with us. Sir, great to have you with us.
JT: Hey Alex. Good to be on. Thank you very much.
AJ: You bet. This is a short segment but introduce yourself. Explain what happened in ’94 that then got picked up in Oklahoma and California. And now we’re seeing a massive resurgence of this.
JT: OK. Well, I’m Cherokee-Choctaw, but there’s a smattering of German, French, and Irish in there too, Alex. And so the name kind of stuck since I was a kid. So, away we go. Back in 1993, I was listening to a talk radio show, a local show here in Colorado, and a little known Senator named Charles Duke…at that time, he was a Representative…came on the air and was discussing a method for eliminating federal mandates which are these federal laws that come down and mandate the states to do certain things, funded or unfunded. And he had hit upon a 10th Amendment resolution. And I heard this. And growing up in Colorado, you know, I’m a dairy farm boy, I got the southern Baptist religion, the Constitution and Bill of Rights along with my morning pancakes in the morning before I went to school. So I understood the essential truth about the Constitution and that is that it is a contract between the states. It is not a contract with the federal government. The federal government was created by that contract.
AJ: That’s right. This is key. The states do a deal with themselves to constitute the federal government and the minute it becomes destructive, they can dissolve it.
JT: Exactly. And that’s what we’re engaged in here. It’s marvelous to see. In 1993, I called the Senator…err…Representative…he became a Senator.
JT.: Anyway, I called him on the air. It was November 11th, 1993 (it was February 23rd of '94, nerves...)
. And I told him then I would do anything I could to help him because his plea for support is a lot like yours is. It is heartfelt and it was right out of the urgent necessity that people realize that we cannot go this way alone. It would take the whole //crosstalk//
AJ: That’s right. It was the first big explosion against the globalists was that with Ruby Ridge and the torching of Waco. That’s why they didn’t bomb //crosstalk// to then demonize patriots in ’95 where they’d also passed similar things. And now here we are again with an even bigger explosion from the seeds you and others planted.
JT: Yeah. And the thing is, they had to do that. I mean they needed something to obfuscate the fact that we were doing it. Patriot groups and lawful state militias too, Alex, were involved at the state level. Lawfully doing what the states are supposed to do and the feds couldn’t have that. They blew up Oklahoma City as sure as I’m talking to you.
AJ: JTCoyote, stay there. We’re gonna come back to you. Break down the key history of this. Stay with us.
AJ: We are back live. Going right back to our guest here in just a moment. This is a major chink in the dragon’s underbelly armor. People can say, “Well it’s too hard. How do we get the states to do it.” 20+ are already moving to do it. Quite a few of them passed it saying, “Look, it’s illegal, feds, for you to come in here and federalize everything and to tell us you can confiscate our guns and the rest of it.” Wyoming is close to doing it. Also Montana house measure would change gun rules saying the fed’s laws don’t apply there. Just like with marijuana laws. Even if you don’t smoke marijuana, it has hundreds of medical uses. And they have these doctors prescribing it in California and, was it, 14 other states. And the feds try to swoop down and block that but they’re failing in court over and over again. So that’s another victory for state’s rights. Second amendment, marijuana, it doesn’t matter. So we’re going to get to that in just a moment. //show notes and sponsor plugs edited// OK. Going back to JTCoyote. JT, break down the history of the states, the basics, how you were able to do this, you and just some volunteers and the State Rep in Colorado and how that was the model. Now, it passed in Colorado. Colorado still violates its own law doing what they do. But the point is it’s there and that idea was then picked up by other states, then it went dormant, and now it’s 10 times, 20 times bigger than it ever was before and growing very, very quickly right now. And how successful it will be will count on the people. Please continue.
JT: Well, you have to understand the time frame. We were just coming off of the heels of Ruby Ridge. And it was obvious to most of the people in the community, in the patriot community, that this was a pretense for something bigger. And then, the whole thing with the World Trade Center bombing…the first one, that killed 12 people and injured dozens…when it failed, they had something set up in the media already and the BATF went into the church in Waco and the 51-day siege started which took everybody’s eyes off of the World Trade Center. Now, we can do some interesting things with that. The point is that Representative Duke, being from Arkansas, knew that Bill Clinton would make George Bush look like a piker. And he understood what kind of problem the country would have; given Clinton’s policies in Arkansas all those years he was Governor. He turned it into the poorest state in the union. So Charlie was coming into work in the fall of ’93 and said a little prayer and it came to him. The 10th Amendment was the way to go. And then he went on the air. I told him, “Hey, dude. I’m ready. Let’s do this.” And January 1st, (March first... get your dates right yoti!)
I was his only aide. (his only full time Aide... he had a part time college student one day a week, and a friend, Mary Anne, came in on Mondays... so for all intent and purposes, I was it)
, He had no staff at that time, so I did everything. Which means I set up his radio appearances, everything. Answered questions from the press. We started with the local talk shows and then it soon branched out. And in 1994, early ’94, about January, (April 8 '94, actually)
he was on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell before Art Bell became a flying saucer nut. And then it really spread. By the time…
AJ: Oh, and I’m about to be on tonight. Again, it’s that bushfire point, 16 million people. What a responsibility I’ve got this evening being on there. But again, history repeats itself. Let’s continue.
JT: And by that time he was on Roger Fredinburg. He was on all the local shows. In a period of less than…oh, from the time we started in session, the 1st of January, until it was passed in the Colorado State House, Charlie was on probably 80 radio programs both national and local. And that was the way we did it. We didn’t have the internet. The internet at that time, in 1993-’94, was…well most of us didn’t even own a computer.
AJ: And that’s why Bill Cinton came out and said, “We gotta shut down talk radio.” Limbaugh. When Limbaugh is an establishment front man to neutralize conservatives. They’re actually worried about the regional syndicated shows and the local shows. The truth was getting out at the time and they wrote government memos. Now Hillary’s back. Barack Obama’s back. All these Senators are back saying they…Bill Clinton said they wanna shut down talk radio again where you can’t have your political opinion. Just amazing because they’re still worried about it.
JT: Same group of scoundrels, Alex. Same group. And they knew they had to do something because it was growing that quickly. By the time Oklahoma City went up on April 19th, ‘95, the 10th Amendment resolution had already been introduced in 47 state legislatures. And you didn’t hear a word about it on the media. The media wouldn’t even touch it. But the alternative media was moving like mad. Local radio talk shows, the fax network between them, KNUS knew what WOAI was doing. So, across the nation, it was kind of the precursor to the internet using talk radio and //crosstalk//
AJ: And the militia movement exploded. People found out that UN treaties had been signed. Bill Clinton went on MTV and said, “We are gonna have gun confiscation.” Janet Reno said, “First we wanna register. Then we wanna confiscate.” They were on record. Just like Attorney General Holder, who was the Deputy then, Attorney General. Just like all these guys are in there now are on record for total gun bans. The same thing. The people are getting wise. Will the feds stage a false flag to try to…oh, see, the feds are good. Somebody attacked them. The American people are bad. It’s American Al-Qaeda. They’re secretly training police and military that right now. Or will we back them off from staging a terror attack because we’ve exposed false flag terror?
JT: Exactly. It’s curious. Even back then we had problems. Kinda like what they had in New Hampshire recently. That won’t stop Itse and the boys. They’ll go back at it again. Just like we did. We had defeats. But we also had major victories. And, right now, there are 15 states that have it already on their books. Trying to find them on the internet is a little difficult sometimes. But I have that thread running which is on the radio show page at the prisonplanet forum. And I would be remiss if I didn’t say hello to all my friends over at the prisonplanet forum, probably the greatest bunch of researchers that the infowar has ever put together in one spot.
AJ: Yeah. Your handle is JTCoyote. And your avatar is William Travis, Colonel William Travis. Remember the Alamo. And it says, “Our 10th Amendment sovereignty resolve will defeat the new world order.” And it says, “The law is clear, the feds are in breach of contract, the law is quite clear.” And you’ve done great research here, a lengthy post. I’m gonna get Kurt Nimmo, in the State’s Rights section he’s building for the show tonight on Coast to Coast, to take the key areas out of this page and get that posted as a link as well as a resource. Let’s go over the states that already have this on the books.
JT: OK. Colorado was first. Then, believe it or not, Hawaii. Hawaii came in right after Colorado did, then Missouri. Missouri has it passed in both houses and copies sent to the President, Speaker of the House, the President of the Senate. All of these…they are on the books. California finally passed it in August of ’94. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Montana…
AJ: Hold on, I’m writing these down. Colorado, Hawaii, Missouri, California, Pennsylvania…
JT: Michigan, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Big Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada…
AJ: OK. I lost count there. Colorado, Hawaii, you got links to these up there. //lists states//
JT: //lists previous states// and Maine. And those, as of 9/20 of ’95 which was September 20th of 1995, had it passed through both houses of their legislature and had sent copies to the feds putting them on notice.
AJ: And then the feds bombed Oklahoma City to teach everybody to love them, and that’s on record. Oh, aren’t they good guys? We gotta stop these evil state’s rights people. So that’s why they were so concerned and carried that out. And, so see, you have 15 states already did it. But now there’s 20. The 21st is Texas, but it just has the power to do it already on the books. So 20 that have introduced it again but with stronger language about martial law, gun confiscation, forced draft, banning homeschooling, saying “no” to the feds. This is very, very exciting. How do we get these 15, where it’s dormant, how do we get them to start enforcing this?
JT: This is also in that same thread. It’s the very last post in that thread. It has to do with the 10th Amendment State Sovereignty Act. The whole idea behind the Sovereignty Resolution is to reaffirm and put the federal government on notice that the state understands that the federal government is a paper tiger created by the states. And that the federal government is on notice that the states are going to take their rights and utilize them. Now what happened with the guys in New Hampshire is they’ve got all this stuff in there that should come in a later piece of legislation, in an act. Now the state Sovereignty Act, the first one that was implemented…well, it wasn’t implemented, wish it was…it was introduced, was in Oklahoma by Charles Key. And that was in 1995. And you can see it. You can read it in the last post of that thread there on the prisonplanet forum. That’s how the 15 states do it. And they can enumerate whatever they want in there because all powers that are not specifically delegated to the federal government by the Constitution or reserved to the states, are given to the people and the states respectively.
AJ: I wanna stop you right there. Ron Paul was in the debates. He was all over national television. They tried to demonize him. But he exposed the private offshore banks, the scam they were running. Now he’s bigger than ever even though they stopped him from winning the nomination. That was a victory. Resistance is victory. Does it mean we win every battle? George Washington lost 90 plus percent of the battles. But they persevered. They continued. Now, we have 15 states, 14 states that have already passed this, 20 states that have introduced it, Texas already has that power. So whats 21 and 14?
JT: Well that should be about 35.
AJ: Yeah. So we have…
JT: All we need is 38 states but they have to do it independently. Here’s one of the rough things that…
AJ: Yeah. The danger of a Con-Con. A Con-Con can get called and the feds can slip in what they want or stage a terror attack during it and rewrite everything. We have to have the states individually, as they were originally brought together under the union…they need to…I know you’ve written all this out, but I agree with it…they need to separately declare this and then communicate with each other to direct orders at the feds. There’s no need to have a Con-Con ‘cause they’re not changing the Constitution, they’re only enforcing it.
JT: That’s exactly correct. And the easiest way to look at it…it’s kinda like there are 35 neighbors and you’ve got a problem with the water board. Well, you don’t come together in a big meeting. You all communicate through phone because y’all have to work during the day and setting up a meeting and all that is kinda rough. So you communicate by courier, the telephone. And then you all independently call the water department and say, “Fix the main.”
AJ: And then, if you have to meet 2 week s later, at the meeting 10 of you show up and yeah, this is what everybody wants. This happened in my neighborhood. The trash company went from 2 days a week to 1 day a week. They were cheating everybody on their water prices. The neighborhood just got together and said, “You’re fired. We’re hiring another company.”
JT: And that’s exactly what we’re doing now. We need to take out the trash, Alex.
AJ: What happens when you have secret unlimited power in government since 1947 with the National Security Act, 1913 before that, 1933 War Powers Act, all of that. You’re gonna get corruption and evil and out of control behavior. And so now these bankers have all built offshore palaces. They’re destroying the country, stealing everything. The public is so angry now. I’m gonna tell the feds. Blowing up a few federal buildings isn’t gonna get people to feel sorry for you and love you and believe the people are the enemy. Folks know you’re a pack of criminals. And to the listeners, to dream is destiny. And action is victory. As I’ve said. It is up to you whether this is gonna happen. Are you gonna expose the bankers? Are you gonna expose the New World Order? Are you gonna literally scream from the rooftops? Are you gonna do banner hangs? Are you gonna do whatever it takes to get this buzz going and never stop organically so that, as the feds get worse and worse, it may no pass now, the states may not act now. But they will down the road as this is educated and as the people know the solution, the way out, is dissolving the federal government through the states and then reconstituting it if the states so choose.
JT: Exactly. All government, all true government, is local. And you use that direction. You don’t worry so much about your State Senator or Representative to Congress in Washington. You grab a hold of you local state legislator, and you bend his ear hard. Let him know…and arm yourself with the facts and the knowledge…
AJ: And give them the dream. Explain how they’re gonna be a hero, how they know things are wrong but they wanna just keep drifting towards disaster. We can do it. We can do it. Stay with me.
AJ: Alright. I’ve got a bunch of news on the economy, on the police state coming up in the 4th and final hour here pretty quick. You know, you can always tell who the operatives are in the “liberty”, “awakening” movement, whatever you wanna call it ‘cause they say, “Oh, you can’t do anything at the state level. You can’t do anything at the federal level. There’s nothing you can do. Oh, 9/11 truth hasn’t been effective, Oh, waa, waa.” We’ve been incredibly effective to the point where they have congressional hearings talking about how we’re bringing down their new world order. And we’ve done the work. We’ve exposed the world government’s architecture, its setup, its system. And now the people have seen it all come true. Our credibility is at all time highs. It is easier for you to wake people up than ever before. All they have to have is respect for themselves and to believe that they can affect change. The level of crime, the level of collapse, the level of destruction they’re bringing to this nation to then rebuild it as a criminal world government with total micromanagement of your daily lives is incredible. But there’s all these scientists and doctors. And one of the top former astronauts is now going public saying, “Global warming’s a fraud to tax you to control your money and your mind.” People are rebelling against that. They’re rebelling against the National ID, the Animal ID, the Premises ID. And it’s just gonna get more intense. And we’re not gonna back off. And there’s a lot of good people in government who are compartmentalized, who didn’t know what they were part of. Now they’re waking up. That’s why the government’s trying to hire criminals and felons and foreigners to make up the military and the CIA. That’s not gonna work either. We’re gonna win this thing thanks to activists out there who was there when this whole second American revolution through the states started. And we just wanna commend JTCoyote and the work he’s doing. And again, if you go to prisonplanet dot com forum, his research, he has all the bills, all the stuff, he’s done all the work. It’s accurate. We’ve checked the bills ourselves. It’s just amazing. What’s the best way for them to find this particular data page on the prisonplanet forum?
JT: The easiest way to do it is to go to the main page, and that’ll give you an index. Scroll about halfway down and it’ll say the radio show page which is “Live Show Forum 11AM to 3PM CST”. And click on that. And stickied in the very top of the main discussion page there will be the subject “Our 10th Amendment sovereignty resolve will defeat the new world order”
AJ: OK. What I want is I want you guys to post this on the main page. OK? And I wanna expand it, take the stuff Kurt’s put together. I’ll put it in there as well. Let’s get it all indexed in there. And people can add to it, but I wanna keep it real clean of any disinfo because this is a data page…
JT: Being a moderator, I do keep it clean. //laughs//
AJ: No. I know you…I know…they come in there, as you know, and try to say kill this person, kill that person to get us shut down. But thank God they’re not successful.
JT: What people have to know is that all power resides in their hands and their collective hands by the state because the states are the ones that created the Constitution.
AJ: And they are constituted by the people. That’s why all powers not delegated to the federal government or reserved to the states or the people. We’re not slaves of the government no matter how much they say they’re doing it all to keep us safe.
JT: And if the 10th Amendment isn’t enough, the 9th Amendment says, “The enumeration in the constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
AJ: That’s right. And expanding on that...I’m gonna hold you over for another 5 minutes. Then we’re gonna go to calls and cover news…is that look how the globalists are creating illegitimate world bodies like the World Trade Organization, the IMF, the World Bank, the UN, and then they have our governments, our central governments that are illegitimate, sign agreements waiving our rights, waiving our liberties, getting rid of our system of checks and balances, our Magna Carta, our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence. That’s all treason. That’s all fraud. The states are the legitimate body of the people. It is not our right, it is our duty to overthrow anything that becomes destructive of those aims. And that’s what we’re doing now. We’re trying peacefully. But they’re coming with gun control, FEMA camps, mass financial implosion by design to bankrupt us so we’re on our knees. Fight back. Stay with us.
AJ: We are back live. //show notes edited// No matter where you are, Coast to Coast AM is on several AM’s you can hear in your town. So, your mom, you dad, your neighbors, your friends, tell them tune in tonight to that show. I’m gonna be on there for 3 hours breaking this down. I’ve got all the documentation, all the info. In closing with our guest…and we really appreciate him joining us…JTCoyote, activist who helped get all this going in Colorado back in ’93-’94. We need the states to boldly also come out as New Hampshire and others are doing in saying, “Look, we know the John Warner Defense Authorization Act and PDD-51 declare the federal Congress ceremonial and that the President’s a dictator, his office and the National Security Council. We know the John Warner Defense Authorization Act and now public Pentagon announcements say the Governors and the Legislatures serve at the pleasure of the President.” That’s what Lincoln said. He arrested hundreds of members of Congress, newspaper editors, put people in jail, executed people. Even the north didn’t want the war. Well this isn’t that day and age. This is now. This is asinine. We need the states up front to say, “By the way, don’t try any funny business. We know you’re a pack of crooks and illegitimate.” We need this statement to be “The federal government’s controlled by foreign banks.” That’s what Newsweek says, but they say it’s good, and that it’s a new world order. We say, “We’re dissolving you now.” It’s a pack of criminals up there. We have to be bold and get bold ideas out or we’ll just have a bunch of states pass this and the feds will…well, like Charles Key, the Representative said, “The state police come in and lobby and threaten and freak out every time the state is about to become sovereign.”…It’s always been sovereign, but redeclare it…because they’re really federal boys set up after the War Powers Act of ’33. Final comments.
JT: That’s absolutely correct. All of those laws, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the Patriot Acts I and II, all of them just shove power to the federal agent at the expense of the states and the people. The thing that states have to realize is that you want to keep the broad language in the resolution to where it covers the entire spectrum of what the 10th Amendment…9th and 10th Amendments mean. Then you institute, like Charlie Key did back in ’95, the State Sovereignty Act. And you get it passed while the people are still thinking about this stuff.
AJ: And then now the idea is introduced into their minds. This is part of educating the public. States good guys. Feds bad guys.
JT: That’s it. And the bad guys aren’t our federal government. They are an offshore banking cartel. They are the crown heads of Europe. They are all of the enemies of the United States of America since we began. And they have figured out a way through corporate law to take over. That’s a whole nother program right there. The DC Organic Act of 1871 incorporated…
AJ: Yeah. All of it. How do folks get in touch with you if they wanna contact you outside the prisonplanet forum, JTCoyote?
JT: Let me give you an E-Mail address.
AJ: Stay there.
AJ: Alright. We’ve got about 51 and a half minutes left in transmission. A ton of news and your phone calls to cover. Toll free number to join us: 800-259-9231. We’re talking to activist JTCoyote who helped get the first bill of this type passed in 1993-94 in Colorado. Now all these states declaring sovereignty. But, as he pointed out, 14 states have already done it, but they just need to empower themselves and we need to make sure they do that. The mainstream media’s not gonna do this for us. We have to do it. But the people are angry. They’re upset. The globalists are using the crisis they created to stampede everybody into going along with their fix that is a open offshore bank that will rule the United States and control all our actions and other countries. A new world order. That was the Newsweek headline. They’re announcing it everywhere as the solution. Oh, we just got an idea. The very bankers that engineered all this will save you by running everything and carbon taxing everything you do in your life. How does that sound? Oh, it sounds wonderful. JTCoyote, give your E-Mail address out for other talk show hosts and people that wanna have you on.
JT: OK. It’s firstname.lastname@example.org
AJ: And I have to say this. I’ve been researching this for years but there’s so many areas I have to research that I’m never as knowledgeable as particular experts like yourself. I’ve read over your material. I’ve read over the other 20 bills that are introduced or passed. That now 35 states total, counting the old ones and the new ones. You are one of the most knowledgeable people on the general knowledge of what’s happening country-wide that the several states make up. And so I just really wanna commend you for your research and your work. And I wanna thank you for all you’ve been doing over at the prisonplanet dot com forum.
JT: Thank you, Alex. And I wanna let you know that the Travis family thanks you for what your family did.
AJ: Well thank you, my friend. I appreciate that and God bless you.
JT: We’re in this together, folks, all of us. And our families touch one another clear back to before the revolution. All of our families. We’re all tied together as Americans. And these guys want to enslave us. They want to enslave the world. And they will make it look like sugar-coated candy for you so you’ll buy it. Don’t buy it. Alex, it’s been good talking with you, my friend.
AJ: Well God bless you. Take care, my friend. We’ll talk to you soon as this unfolds and develops. Folks, it is up to all of you out there whether this is gonna be successful or not. And this is not our only operation against the enemy. The overall infowar is the overarching program. Because by educating the public about the nature of the enemy, their criminal control, their fraudulent usurpation of our liberties and authority, by doing that, from being educated flows the freedom. Without that you have despotism and bondage. So the ball is in your court.
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is to be charged to the provisions against danger,
real or pretended, from abroad.