WHich inferior candidate will you be tricked into 'voting' for?

[A K]

Looks like it might be a Barr/Root ticket.  Trying to find out more about Root.  He lacks any government experience - I mean, even Jesse Ventura was Mayor before he ran for Governor.  The guy is a sports handicapper - I don't think he is qualified to be a heartbeat from the Presidency.  He comes across as a little bit full of himself, but he is a dynamic public speaker.  Like Barr, he is more of a true conservative in the Reagan/Goldwater mold who has some libertarian views, as opposed to being a true libertarian.  He is pretty good on most of the issues, though he seems to - like Barr - focus more on the less taxes less government message, and not as much on being anti-war, anti-WTO and anti-war on drugs.

http://www.rootforamerica.com/home/wherestands.php
 

[A K]

This is Barr on the issues.  Overall, he is good, way better than McCain, Hillary or even Obama.  But he is more of a conservative than a libertarian.  Focus is on small government and eliminate the IRS.  Not as good on the war on drugs and anti-war anti-interventionism.  he is no Ron Paul, no Jesse Ventura.  But between him and McCain or Obama, I might vote for him.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/issues/

[STEELYMAN]

Root was looking ok until I read on his site that he isn't even for immediate troop withdrawal. I'm not very happy about that.

I guess it will hurt McCain and that's good, but with or with out Barr, barring (HAH) a terrorist attack McCain loses to Obama in a landslide.

[A K]

On the issue of the war, Obama may be slightly better than Barr/Root.

But Barr/Root are better than Obama on 2nd Amendment, Constitutional issues, ending the IRS and less government.

I want to see who Obama picks as VP.  If it is Clinton I lose all interest in him.  If it is Clark or Webb, he retains some interest.  If my state is close, I might consider a vote for Obama, but otherwise I think I will vote for the LP ticket with Barr at the top.  But I want to see more from him before I donate money or knock on doors.

I wish we had Ventura/Paul, but it is what it is.

[A K]

I hope Alex will get Bob Barr and Wayne Root on.  Alex is a good questioner, and he will draw these guys out on the important issues, and help us decide if they deserve the votes and support of the libertarian, patriot, anti-war and anti-NWO movements.

[A K]

Can the Barr LP ticket actually win?  Of course the MSM will say he has no chance. 

Well people said that about Perot, and he got 20% of the vote in 1992, and that is what they said about Ventura, and he won the Minn. Governorship. 

Yes they will probably not have a real shot unless they had someone donate $100 million so they could buy the advertising.  But a LOT of conservatives are not happy with McCain, people are angry at both parties, and a high profile LP ticket with Barr at the top, could get 3 to 5% or so of the vote which could 1) help elect the anti-war Obama instead of the pro-war McCain 2) make the Republicans realize they can't win without the support of the Ron Paul libertarian Republicans 3)reach trigger levels to get more funding 4) expose the libertarian message to millions of people 5) perhaps set the stage for a Ventura/Paul ticket in 2012 which COULD ACTUALLY WIN.

[Dig]

barr is not a consistent libertarian and is a dangerous flip flopper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr

War on drugs

Barr was a strong supporter of the War on Drugs, reflecting his previous experience as Anti-Drug Coordinator for the Department of Justice.[19] While in Congress, he was a member of the Speaker's Task Force for a Drug-Free America.[18][19] This task force was established in 1998 by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich to "design a World War II-style victory plan to save America's children from illegal drugs."[20] The task force crafted legislation specifically designed to "win the War on Drugs by 2002".[20]“   There is no legitimate use whatsoever for marijuana. This is not medicine. This is bogus witchcraft. It has no place in medicine, no place in pain relief...   ”

—Bob Barr, May 13 2002[21]


Barr advocated complete federal prohibition of medical marijuana. In 1998, He successfully blocked implementation of Initiative 59 -- the "Legalization of Marijuana for Medical Treatment Initiative of 1998" -- which would have legalized medical marijuana in the District of Columbia (DC).[22] The "Barr Amendment" to the 1999 Omnibus spending bill not only blocked implementation of Initiative 59 but prohibited the vote tally from even being released.[22][23] Nearly a year passed before a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union eventually revealed the initiative had received 69% of the vote.[24] In response to the judge's ruling, Barr simply attached another "Barr Amendment" to the 2000 Omnibus spending bill that overturned Intiative 59 outright.[25] The Barr Ammendment also prohibited future laws that would "decrease the penalties for marijuana or other Schedule I drugs" in DC.[26] This preemptively blocked future attempts by Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) to reform marijuana laws in DC via the initiative process.[26] In March 2002, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan struck down this portion of the Barr Amendment as being an unconstitutional restriction on free speech.[26][27] Barr's response to the ruling was defiant:[28]

Clearly, the court today has ignored the constitutional right and responsibility of Congress to pass laws protecting citizens from dangerous and addictive narcotics, and the right of Congress to exert legislative control over the District of Columbia as the nation's capital.
—Bob Barr, March 28 2002[28]

The federal government later prevailed on appeal,[29] reinstating the Barr Amendment just in time to thwart MPP's initiative 63 -- "The Medical Marijuana Initiative of 2002" -- which had already qualified for the November 2002 ballot.[30][31] As of 2007, the Barr Amendment remains in effect, and Initiative 63 remains in limbo -- technically ready to appear on the next DC election ballot when and if the Barr Amendment is ever repealed.[30][32]

Despite Barr's fierce conviction at the time, he would later reverse his position on medical marijuana, actually joining MPP as a lobbyist five years later (see Marijuana Policy Project in Political associations below).

Terrorism

He voted for the Patriot Act, but only after his amendments adding "sunset clauses" were added to the final bill.[35][36] Barr played a similar role during the debate over Bill Clinton's Comprehensive Anti-terrorism Act of 1995, crafting pro-civil liberties amendments to the original text.[37] He now publicly regrets his Patriot Act vote.[38][39]

[STEELYMAN]

Barr should choose Kubby, that would help to offset a lot of his former pro drug war positions.

[A K]

All true, I question him because of his past, but he seems to have changed.

From wiki:

In Congress, Barr's strong stance against medical marijuana put him at odds with marijuana policy reformers such as the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) (see War on Drugs in Congressional career above). Despite this historic antagonism, in March 2007, Barr reversed his stance on medical marijuana and begin lobbying on behalf of MPP.[52][53][54] Incredibly, this new partnership saw Barr working to repeal his very own "Barr Amendment" -- the amendment that overturned a voter-approved medical marijuana initiative in Washington, D.C.,[52][53] and prohibits consideration of similar initatives.[32]

Barr has been careful to note that he isn't pro-drug, but rather against government instrusion.[52] In interviews he has expressed the nuanced position of simultaneously opposing legalization, yet advocating the federalist ideals of State legislation and enforcement over Federal control.[55][56]

AK - So for me it boils down to do I want Obama as President instead of McCain (answer: yes, sort of, weakly).  And would Barr getting 5% or more of the vote help grow the party, spread the message and set the stage for a Ventura and/or Paul ticket in 2012?  Answer:  yes, I think so, hope so.

[A K]

I would like to see Barr/Gravel, Barr/Ruwart or even Barr/Kubby, but it looks like Barr/Root.

[A K]

Will most of the Ron Paul supporters vote for Bob Barr on the Libertarian ticket?

[A K]

I sense a lack of excitement, even a lack of interest, for Bob Barr.  All you Ron Paul supporters, will you consider voting for Barr on the Libertarian ticket?  Or will you vote Chuck Baldwin on the Constitution Party ticket, or write in Ron Paul?  Or consider voting for Obama because he is better than McCain on the war and on Constitutional issues?

[A K]

My thought is that in a few super close battleground states (Florida and Ohio) consider voting for Obama in order to beat McCain, EVERYWHERE ELSE, I say vote for Bob Barr on the Libertarian Party ticket.  I think the Ron Paul folks and the patriot movement should support the LP ticket.

[A K]

In the Rassmussen poll, when they offer Obama vs. McCain, McCain wins a close race 46% to 44%.

But when they offer Barr as a Libertarian candidate, Obama wins.

From Rassmussen Polls:

A separate survey found slightly different results when third-party candidates were mentioned by name. In a four-way race, Obama earns 42% of the vote, McCain 38%, Bob Barr 6% and Ralph Nader 4%. Given those options, 11% were undecided. Barr and Nader were mentioned as candidates of the Libertarian Party and the Green Party respectively.

Barr picked up 7% of the Republican vote, 5% of the Democratic vote, and 5% of the unaffiliated vote. Nader got 1% of the Republican vote, 3% of the Democratic vote, and 8% support from those not affiliated with either major party.

[Pressed_Rat]

Bob Barr is false opposition.  Look at his track record.

[Dig]

Bob Barr is false opposition.  Look at his track record.

The whole libertarian party seems compromised (probably why RP stayed away from them as an option.  Mike Gravel is the only one with a prayer by 1,000x.

He is the only one who was able to successfully bring the BS Obama saviour plan to a screeching halt in the first Democratic Debate.

He successfully ended the Vietnam War, began the talks against Nuke proliferation, and exposed hundreds of lies by reading the entire Pentagon Papers into the congressional record.

He was the only hope for the libertarian party and the fact that they minimized his power further lends credibility to Pressed Rat's statement.

[Dig]

I sense a lack of excitement, even a lack of interest, for Bob Barr.  All you Ron Paul supporters, will you consider voting for Barr on the Libertarian ticket?  Or will you vote Chuck Baldwin on the Constitution Party ticket, or write in Ron Paul?  Or consider voting for Obama because he is better than McCain on the war and on Constitutional issues?

All us Ron Paul supporters understand the truth about elections and writing in Ron Paul and running for local offices and educating others is the only way to take responsibility for the freedoms we enjoy.  Simply pressing a computer screen with a name that appears is just not enough to fulfill this responsibilty.  It is enough to point fingers as we are hauled away to concentration camps.

They do not play games, their plans have been exposed.  They mean us great harm and engaging in the fake conversations about fake candidates only distracts us from all the life, liberty, and property the are continuing to steal from us.

[Cobra]

My only problem with Barr is that he seemed to have come out of nowhere to run.
It was nothing, nothing, nothing, than bam. "Barr's running for nominee".
It seems a little weird.
What's his true motivation?
Maybe he just saw an opportunity to revive his political career?

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

All us Ron Paul supporters understand the truth about elections and writing in Ron Paul and running for local offices and educating others is the only way to take responsibility for the freedoms we enjoy.  Simply pressing a computer screen with a name that appears is just not enough to fulfill this responsibilty.  It is enough to point fingers as we are hauled away to concentration camps.

They do not play games, their plans have been exposed.  They mean us great harm and engaging in the fake conversations about fake candidates only distracts us from all the life, liberty, and property the are continuing to steal from us.

and aint that the truth!

everyone who is still not 100% behind ron paul, and life, liberty, and property, should read what sane just wrote, over and over again, and then watch the video in my sig, and then watch this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

then if you still dont get it, repeat the process.

[Freeski]

My only problem with Barr is that he seemed to have come out of nowhere to run.
It was nothing, nothing, nothing, than bam. "Barr's running for nominee".
It seems a little weird.
What's his true motivation?
Maybe he just saw an opportunity to revive his political career?

I agree with you. Just like Obama, if you remember... suddenly he appeared as a media darling.

[Freeski]

and aint that the truth!

everyone who is still not 100% behind ron paul, and life, liberty, and property, should read what sane just wrote, over and over again, and then watch the video in my sig, and then watch this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

then if you still dont get it, repeat the process.

I can't think of any other "politician", anywhere on Earth, who comes close to the substance of a Ron Paul. I wish they'd deport the man to Canada!

[A K]

If you look at Barr and Root, they agree with Ron Paul on most every single issue:  ending the personal income tax, abolishing the IRS, cutting the size of government, end the Iraq War, anti-interventionist foreign policy, repeal Patriot Act, restore habeas corpus, end warrantless wiretaps, etc.  Paul has a stronger and better position on ending the drug war, Barr/Root are good on state medical marijuana, but Paul has said we should end the whole war on drugs.

Paul is not on the ballot.  I still don't fully understand why he didn't take the Libertarian nomination - we could have had a Paul/Gravel ticket.  I think if we can get the Barr/Root LP ticket to 5% or more, it will get the funding and coverage to set up Paul and/or Ventura for a run in 2012.  In my opinion writing in Paul does nothing, and he is not asking people to do that.  Barr/Root is not perfect, but I think they are worth a look - I hope Alex interviews them.

[A K]

For anyone interested in finding out more on the Libertarian ticket of Barr and Root, go here:

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/issues/

http://www.rootforamerica.com/home/wherestands.php

[ES]

I honestly don't trust Barr. He seems a little shady to me. I just have a sense about him that he's not what he says he is. I'm not saying he isn't better than McCain. The guy just gives me a bad feeling.

[Pressed_Rat]

Bob Barr is also very much a hypocrite.  Of course he is known for his role as one of the House managers during the Clinton impeachment trials.  But certainly Mr. Barr is not by any means clean himself.  He's been married three times and was outed in 1999 for his own extramarital affair.  He has long been an outspoken critic of abortion, but acquiesced to his second wife having an abortion in 1982.

This says a lot about the man's moral character (or lack thereof), and even if he did stand a chance at being elected, he's clearly been compromised.

My feeling is that Barr is another Pat Buchanan.  He's one of those people's that's put out there to suck people in who might share some of the beliefs they expouse, but are in no way genuine in their words.

In other words:  CONTROLLED OPPOSITION

[Dig]

If you look at Barr and Root, they agree with Ron Paul on most every single issue:  ending the personal income tax, abolishing the IRS, cutting the size of government, end the Iraq War, anti-interventionist foreign policy, repeal Patriot Act, restore habeas corpus, end warrantless wiretaps, etc.  Paul has a stronger and better position on ending the drug war, Barr/Root are good on state medical marijuana, but Paul has said we should end the whole war on drugs.

Paul is not on the ballot.  I still don't fully understand why he didn't take the Libertarian nomination - we could have had a Paul/Gravel ticket.  I think if we can get the Barr/Root LP ticket to 5% or more, it will get the funding and coverage to set up Paul and/or Ventura for a run in 2012.  In my opinion writing in Paul does nothing, and he is not asking people to do that.  Barr/Root is not perfect, but I think they are worth a look - I hope Alex interviews them.

Not on the ballot?

Dude, the shit is rigged.

Writing in RON PAUL makes a statement.

The statement is...

"Everybody knows the shit is rigged and we also know what a real presidential candidate looks like.  We will no longer press a controlled button on a computer screen to appease you.  We rather continue to own up to our responsibility as American Citizens to defend the freedoms so many gave their lives for."

Voting for anyone other than Kucinich, Gravel, McKinney, Ventura, or Paul (Paul being my personal choice for many reasons) makes a contrary statement...

"We are still under total mind control of your Hegelian Dialectics.  We will continue to believe that you are giving us choices while you slowly turn us all into a nation of groveling autistic zombie slaves."

[A K]

Paul made a choice to NOT run as a Libertarian or independent.  He is not asking people to write in his name.  If it makes you feel better than do it - I understand the reason, and each persons vote is theirs to do with what they will.  But I think we do better to build the libertarian movement and set the stage for Paul and/or Ventura in 2012 by getting the LP ticket to a 5% or more level, and this helps Paul and/or Ventura in 2012 by getting them funding, exposure and converts.

[Dig]

Paul made a choice to NOT run as a Libertarian or independent.  He is not asking people to write in his name.  If it makes you feel better than do it - I understand the reason, and each persons vote is theirs to do with what they will.  But I think we do better to build the libertarian movement and set the stage for Paul and/or Ventura in 2012 by getting the LP ticket to a 5% or more level, and this helps Paul and/or Ventura in 2012 by getting them funding, exposure and converts.

50% of the libertarian candidates seem to be total hegelian dialectic stooges.

If you really want to push such stuff as far as someone "on the ballot" being necessary to "help," look into the constitution party.  But in the end this country will only survive if people act as individuals and vote their conscience.  Also, we need to be running for local offices too.  By the Libertarian passing up Gravel, they really seem to be the same as the GOP preventing RP his due respect and the Dems forcing Kucinich out of the race.  Sorry dude, but that libertarian debate was a mockery.

[ES]

Bob Barr is also very much a hypocrite.  Of course he is known for his role as one of the House managers during the Clinton impeachment trials.  But certainly Mr. Barr is not by any means clean himself.  He's been married three times and was outed in 1999 for his own extramarital affair.  He has long been an outspoken critic of abortion, but acquiesced to his second wife having an abortion in 1982.

This says a lot about the man's moral character (or lack thereof), and even if he did stand a chance at being elected, he's clearly been compromised.

My feeling is that Barr is another Pat Buchanan.  He's one of those people's that's put out there to suck people in who might share some of the beliefs they expouse, but are in no way genuine in their words.

In other words:  CONTROLLED OPPOSITION

I'm unfortunately going have to agree with you on this rat boy.

[Volitzar]

I sense a lack of excitement, even a lack of interest, for Bob Barr.  All you Ron Paul supporters, will you consider voting for Barr on the Libertarian ticket?  Or will you vote Chuck Baldwin on the Constitution Party ticket, or write in Ron Paul?  Or consider voting for Obama because he is better than McCain on the war and on Constitutional issues?

Chuck Baldwin baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://baldwin2008.com/index.php

[Volitzar]

If you look at Barr and Root, they agree with Ron Paul on most every single issue:  ending the personal income tax, abolishing the IRS, cutting the size of government, end the Iraq War, anti-interventionist foreign policy, repeal Patriot Act, restore habeas corpus, end warrantless wiretaps, etc.  Paul has a stronger and better position on ending the drug war, Barr/Root are good on state medical marijuana, but Paul has said we should end the whole war on drugs.

Paul is not on the ballot.  I still don't fully understand why he didn't take the Libertarian nomination - we could have had a Paul/Gravel ticket.  I think if we can get the Barr/Root LP ticket to 5% or more, it will get the funding and coverage to set up Paul and/or Ventura for a run in 2012.  In my opinion writing in Paul does nothing, and he is not asking people to do that.  Barr/Root is not perfect, but I think they are worth a look - I hope Alex interviews them.

Bob Barr is former CIA like Anderson Cooper.  He is just there to keep the Libertarian Party politically impotent.

Don't fall for it.   

[Volitzar]

Hell no Chuck Baldwin on the Constitution Party ticket.

Bob Barr is former CIA placed there to keep the party politically impotent.  He's as NWO as McCain, Hillary and Obama are.

Alex confirmed this on his show when he had Chuck Baldwin on.

http://baldwin2008.com/index.php

[Volitzar]

http://baldwin2008.com/index.php

Repeat...repeat...repeat  Bobb Barr is former CIA and is counting on former Ron Paul supporters to support him and to take votes away from Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.

This is exactly the trap the NWO wants Americans to fall into.

DON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[A K]

I have mixed feelings about Barr:  ex-CIA, former federal prosecutor and drug warrior, former Republican Party hatchet man.  But I think it is a little paranoid to claim he is still a CIA agent taking secret orders from HQ.  He seems to have undergone a change - many Republicans have because of the Bush fiasco.  He has called for the repeal of the Patriot Act and an end to warrantless wiretaps and torture.  Ha has said states should be able to have medical marijuana.  He has called for ending the income tax and abolishing the IRS.  He supports getting out of Iraq.  I want to find out more about him - I would like to see Alex interview him and ask the tough questions.

I would never vote for Baldwin.  He is good on taxes and some other issues.  But he is a Baptist preacher and former ally of Jerry Falwell.  Baldwin and the platform of the Constitution Party state America was founded as a "Christian nation" - a flat out lie.  They want to base America's laws on the Bible, which is utterly retarded.  They call for the criminalization and outright ban on all forms of gambling and pornography, which would require a massive federal police force to regulate these victimless behaviors.  Sorry, but if someone wants to read Playboy, watch some porno and play on line poker they shouldn't be thrown in jail.  They also want to have legal discrimination against gays and outlaw adult consensual sexual behavior.  They want to continue the insane war on drugs. They are not at all libertarian, they are ultra right wing conservatives.  They are statists who want to increase government power to control individual behavior.  They hold zero interest for me.

[A K]

I have mixed feelings about Barr:  ex-CIA, former federal prosecutor and drug warrior, former Republican Party hatchet man.  But I think it is a little paranoid to claim he is still a CIA agent taking secret orders from HQ.  He seems to have undergone a change - many Republicans have because of the Bush fiasco.  He has called for the repeal of the Patriot Act and an end to warrantless wiretaps and torture.  Ha has said states should be able to have medical marijuana.  He has called for ending the income tax and abolishing the IRS.  He supports getting out of Iraq.  I want to find out more about him - I would like to see Alex interview him and ask the tough questions.

I would never vote for Baldwin.  He is good on taxes and some other issues.  But he is a Baptist preacher and former ally of Jerry Falwell.  Baldwin and the platform of the Constitution Party state America was founded as a "Christian nation" - a flat out lie.  They want to base America's laws on the Bible, which is utterly retarded.  They call for the criminalization and outright ban on all forms of gambling and pornography, which would require a massive federal police force to regulate these victimless behaviors.  Sorry, but if someone wants to read Playboy, watch some porno and play on line poker they shouldn't be thrown in jail.  They also want to have legal discrimination against gays and outlaw adult consensual sexual behavior.  They want to continue the insane war on drugs. They are not at all libertarian, they are ultra right wing conservatives.  They are statists who want to increase government power to control individual behavior.  They hold zero interest for me.

[A K]

I have mixed feelings about Barr:  ex-CIA, former federal prosecutor and drug warrior, former Republican Party hatchet man.  But I think it is a little paranoid to claim he is still a CIA agent taking secret orders from HQ, based on the fact that he served in the CIA legal department in the 1970's for a few years.  He seems to have undergone a change - many Republicans have because of the Bush fiasco.  He has called for the repeal of the Patriot Act and an end to warrantless wiretaps and torture.  Ha has said states should be able to have medical marijuana.  He has called for ending the income tax and abolishing the IRS.  He supports getting out of Iraq.  I want to find out more about him - I would like to see Alex interview him and ask the tough questions.

I would never vote for Baldwin.  He is good on taxes and some other issues.  But he is a Baptist preacher and former ally of Jerry Falwell.  Baldwin and the platform of the Constitution Party state America was founded as a "Christian nation" - a flat out lie.  They want to base America's laws on the Bible, which is utterly retarded.  They call for the criminalization and outright ban on all forms of gambling and pornography, which would require a massive federal police force to regulate these victimless behaviors.  Sorry, but if someone wants to read Playboy, watch some porno and play on line poker they shouldn't be thrown in jail.  They also want to have legal discrimination against gays and outlaw adult consensual sexual behavior.  They want to continue the insane war on drugs. They are not at all libertarian, they are ultra right wing conservatives.  They are statists who want to increase government power to control individual behavior.  They hold zero interest for me.

[Volitzar]

Then why didn't Alex have Bob Barr on his show then ??

or just maybe...

You're a COINTELPRO dis-info troll ??   

[Volitzar]

Then why did Alex choose Baldwin over Barr for his show ??

Cuz he knows how the CIA/NWO operates.

Bob Barr is just there to split up the Ron Paul supporters.

[Volitzar]

Paul made a choice to NOT run as a Libertarian or independent.  He is not asking people to write in his name.  If it makes you feel better than do it - I understand the reason, and each persons vote is theirs to do with what they will.  But I think we do better to build the libertarian movement and set the stage for Paul and/or Ventura in 2012 by getting the LP ticket to a 5% or more level, and this helps Paul and/or Ventura in 2012 by getting them funding, exposure and converts.

Spoken like a true COINTELPRO troll.   

[David Rothscum]

It's naieve to believe elections will fix this in the first place. Elections are little more than a pacifier for the general public, to give you the idea that somehow you can just solve the problems by filling in a little checkbox and convincing enough people to do the same. All elections are good for is to use them as a tool to spread knowledge about certain issues (like Ron Paul did, thanks to him the media had to mention the NAU and the NAFTA super highway).