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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2014, 08:48:06 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2014, 08:59:44 PM »

http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2012/Threads-Within/Terror-Coercion-Foreign-Policy/EN/index.htm

Terror, coercion and foreign policy

More than ten years after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, counterterrorism practitioners, academics and policymakers are still struggling to understand what motivates men who have spent their formative and early adult years in Western urban settings – like London, Toronto, Copenhagen, New York or Madrid – to turn against the countries of their citizenship or residence and attack them.

One answer – found after dissecting tens of thousands of pages of trial transcripts from the prosecutions of 14 of the most important “al Qaeda” plots launched against the West in the last decade – is that the perceived political grievance of Western powers fighting abroad in Muslim lands has been a consistent and often repeated political justification for terrorist acts against the West
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2014, 09:05:59 PM »
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6450268/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/marines-let-loose-streets-fallujah/

NBC News  updated 11/10/2004 8:09:16 PM ET  
FALLUJAH, Iraq — The streets were deserted, except for the dead.

“This is a frigging ghost town,” said Cpl. Steven Wolf, a squad leader with the CAAT (Combined Anti-Armor Team) Platoon.

On Tuesday, these Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment were ebullient; the American forces appeared to gain the upper hand quickly against the insurgency in Fallujah, the Iraqi city that has been home to a fierce anti-coalition resistance.

One joked that they’d all be sipping “pina coladas by the Euphrates River by fifteen-hundred.”




http://www.stripes.com/news/documentary-or-distasteful-new-fallujah-video-game-stirs-debate-1.90409

Documentary or distasteful? New Fallujah video game stirs debate

Parents of troops who died in Iraq are speaking out against a game based on the second battle of Fallujah, saying it is distasteful and alleging that game makers are looking to cash in on the death of U.S. troops

http://mannaismayaadventure.com/2012/03/20/first-battle-of-fallujah/


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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2014, 09:12:50 PM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/marja-surge-operation-told-us-all-we-needed-to-know-about-afghanistan-2012-7?op=1
The First Major 'Surge' Operation Shows Why The US Is Failing In Afghanistan


Whistleblower Lt. Col. Daniel Davis was highly critical of the official story of the Afghan War and the 2009 surge while noting that Afghan security forces are "completely incapable of handling the job without U.S. presence" and even work with the Taliban in some cases.

This week a group of 40 to 86 Afghan militia troops joined the Taliban-led insurgents. And this year has seen 19 attacks by Afghan security forces on coalition forces that have resulted in 26 deaths (including 13 Americans).
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/4107259/Afghanistan-battle-like-First-World-War.html
Afghanistan battle like First World War

British, Afghan and coalition forces battled the Taliban at close quarters, knee-deep in mud, over Christmas in fierce trench battles reminiscent of the First World War, it has emerged.


12:38PM GMT 04 Jan 2009

 The offensive in Afghanistan's central Helmand province involved more than 1,500 troops and was one of the largest operations mounted by Royal Marines since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said.


It was fought over 18 days around the town of Nad-e-Ali to capture four key Taliban strongholds.
Some of the Royal Marines taking part trudged more than 60km through mud with packs on their backs while also fighting insurgents at close quarters, the MoD revealed.
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2014, 09:24:25 PM »
http://www.pinterest.com/pmedic531/hero-s-medal-of-honor/
HERO's, Medal of Honor



October 22, 1965, near Phy Cuong, PFC Milton Lee Oive III of Co. B, 2nd BN, 503 Infantry, throws himself on an enemy grenade and saved 4 soldiers, including his platoon leader, 1LT James Sanford.
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2014, 09:35:09 PM »
http://www.ghspaulding.com/guadalcanal.htm
The Mission That Saved Guadalcanal
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Sixty-seven days after the Marines stormed the beaches of Guadalcanal, they were reinforced by units of the U.S. Army. Two months later, the Marines, weary from battle and wasted by disease, departed, their capture-and-hold mission accomplished. The formidable task of driving the remaining 13,000 Japanese troops from the island became the responsibility of the Army. Before the job was done, however, fresh Marine elements arrived in such numbers that their presence actually exceeded that of the Army. Guadalcanal was finally declared secure on February 9, 1943.

The six-month battle for control of Guadalcanal would cost 1,592 American lives on the ground with 4,183 wounded. The Japanese would tally 14,800 killed in battle, another 9,000 dead from disease and 1,000 taken prisoner. However, when the results of related—and similarly valiant—air and naval engagements are included, the hundreds of aircraft shot down and dozens of ships sunk by each side during the Solomons Campaign account for substantially greater numbers of casualties.

In the end, Guadalcanal would provide the first toehold for the Allies in their arduous advance to victory in the Pacific. Thanks in no small part to John Thompson’s short but vital mission on that fateful September morning.

Thompson served two tours of duty on Guadalcanal, finally departing the disease-infested island in good health in November 1942. But ironically, while assigned to General Douglas MacArthur’s post-war occupation headquarters in Tokyo, he contracted tuberculosis. He then spent two years confined to a convalescent bed in Fitzsimons Army General Hospital near Denver before being medically retired in 1949 and settling in Colorado.
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2014, 09:41:33 PM »
http://asianhistory.about.com/od/vietnam/ss/The-Vietnam-War-American-War-in-Photos_13.htm
US Marines on Jungle Patrol, Vietnam War, 1968


About 391,000 US Marines served in the Vietnam War; almost 15,000 of them died. The jungle conditions made disease a problem. During Vietnam, almost 11,000 soldiers died of disease as opposed to 47,000 combat deaths. Advances in field medicine, antibiotics, and the use of helicopters to evacuate the wounded significantly cut down on deaths by illness as compared with earlier American wars. For example, in the US Civil War, the Union lost 140,000 men to bullets, but 224,000 to disease.
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2014, 09:47:25 PM »
http://co.ng.mil/heritage/twich/Pages/01week4jan221944.aspx
Colorado infantry makes third beach landing of World War II 

By Army National Guard Maj. Adam Morgan, Colorado National Guard Historian 
  www.operationshingle1944.it

On Jan. 22, 1944, in an effort to end the costly stalemate at Monte Cassino, Colorado's 157th Infantry took part in the amphibious landing at Anzio.

The successful invasion of Anzio was a crucial stepping stone in the liberation of Italy.

http://www.ww2f.com/topic/33842-some-interesting-wwii-photosand-some-humorous/page-5
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2014, 11:20:52 PM »

http://donmooreswartales.com/2010/07/14/ron-freedman/

48th Field Artillery Battalion, Distinguished Service Crosses, Pork Chop Hill

Battle of Pork Chop Hill
In Korean War, Purple Heart, Silver Star on July 14, 2010 at 6:00 am

Second Lt. Ron Freedman, 48th Artillery Battalion attached to the 7th Infantry Division, stands in the doorway of his observation post near Pork Chop Hill during the closing months of the Korean War. Photo provided.

More than 50 years after the rifles fell silent and the cannon fire ceased in the hills north of the 38th Parallel dividing North and South Korea, no one who was there seems to know why both sides put so much stock in controlling Pork Chop Hill during the closing months of the Korean War.
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2014, 07:43:05 PM »
 Memorial day.
   For me..It's kinda.. Each and Every day. 
 

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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2014, 02:49:22 PM »
Why is American history "segregated?"  What is the impetus behind hiding American history by race . . . especially America's War Veterans and the Diverse Communities Who Served? . . . .


The Memorial Day history forgot: The Martyrs of the Race Course

Mon May 26, 2014 AT 06:00 AM PDT
Denise Oliver-Velez

By the end of the Civil War, roughly 179,000 black men (10% of the Union Army) served as soldiers in the U.S. Army and another 19,000 served in the Navy. Nearly 40,000 black soldiers died over the course of the war—30,000 of infection or disease. Black soldiers served in artillery and infantry and performed all noncombat support functions that sustain an army, as well. Black carpenters, chaplains, cooks, guards, laborers, nurses, scouts, spies, steamboat pilots, surgeons, and teamsters also contributed to the war cause. There were nearly 80 black commissioned officers. Black women, who could not formally join the Army, nonetheless served as nurses, spies, and scouts, the most famous being Harriet Tubman (photo citation: 200-HN-PIO-1), who scouted for the 2d South Carolina Volunteers.---"The Civil War in American Memory"
by David W. Blight

A pencil drawing and a grainy photo in the Library of Congress are all that is left of the cemetery where 257 Union soldiers were buried after the Civil War on what had been a race course in Charleston, South Carolina. 
Nor has much been written about the memorial celebration held by more than 10,000 mostly newly freed blacks, which was one of the first, if not the first memorial held for those who fought to end slavery.

Civil War historian David Blight describes the event below the fold:

War kills people and destroys human creation; but as though mocking war's devastation, flowers inevitably bloom through its ruins. After a long siege, a prolonged bombardment for months from all around the harbor, and numerous fires, the beautiful port city of Charleston, South Carolina, where the war had begun in April, 1861, lay in ruin by the spring of 1865. The city was largely abandoned by white residents by late February. Among the first troops to enter and march up Meeting Street singing liberation songs was the Twenty First U. S. Colored Infantry; their commander accepted the formal surrender of the city.

Thousands of black Charlestonians, most former slaves, remained in the city and conducted a series of commemorations to declare their sense of the meaning of the war. The largest of these events, and unknown until some extraordinary luck in my recent research, took place on May 1, 1865. During the final year of the war, the Confederates had converted the planters' horse track, the Washington Race Course and Jockey Club, into an outdoor prison. Union soldiers were kept in horrible conditions in the interior of the track; at least 257 died of exposure and disease and were hastily buried in a mass grave behind the grandstand. Some twenty-eight black workmen went to the site, re-buried the Union dead properly, and built a high fence around the cemetery. They whitewashed the fence and built an archway over an entrance on which they inscribed the words, "Martyrs of the Race Course."

Then, black Charlestonians in cooperation with white missionaries and teachers, staged an unforgettable parade of 10,000 people on the slaveholders' race course. The symbolic power of the low-country planter aristocracy's horse track (where they had displayed their wealth, leisure, and influence) was not lost on the freed people. A New York Tribune correspondent witnessed the event, describing "a procession of friends and mourners as South Carolina and the United States never saw before."

Naval chaplain Padre Steve, in a post about that Memorial Day, recounts what happened to the cemetery:

The “Martyrs of the Racecourse” cemetery is no longer there. The site is now a park honoring Confederate General and the White Supremacist “Redeemer Governor” of South Carolina Wade Hampton. An oval track remains in the park and is used by the local population and cadets from the Citadel to run on. The Union dead who had been so beautifully honored by the Black population were moved to the National Cemetery at Beaufort South Carolina in the 1880s and the event conveniently erased from memory. Had not historian David Blight found the documentation we probably still would not know of this touching act which so honored those that fought the battles that won their freedom.

The African American population of Charleston who understood the bonds of slavery and oppression, the tyranny of prejudice in which they only counted as 3/5ths of a person and saw the suffering of those that were taken prisoner while attempting to liberate them stand as an example for us today. Within little more than a decade they would be subject to Jim Crow and again treated by many whites as something less than human.  The struggle of them and their descendants against the tyranny of racial prejudice, discrimination and violence over the next 100 years would finally bear fruit in the Civil Rights movement whose leaders, like the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. would also become martyrs.

Book Cover, Race and Reunion, by historian David Blight
Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory
by David W. Blight

For those of you who have an interest in American history, I'd suggest strongly that you add David Blight's book, Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory, to your shelf:

No historical event has left as deep an imprint on America’s collective memory as the Civil War. In the war’s aftermath, Americans had to embrace and cast off a traumatic past. David Blight explores the perilous path of remembering and forgetting, and reveals its tragic costs to race relations and America’s national reunion.

In 1865, confronted with a ravaged landscape and a torn America, the North and South began a slow and painful process of reconciliation. The ensuing decades witnessed the triumph of a culture of reunion, which downplayed sectional division and emphasized the heroics of a battle between noble men of the Blue and the Gray. Nearly lost in national culture were the moral crusades over slavery that ignited the war, the presence and participation of African Americans throughout the war, and the promise of emancipation that emerged from the war. Race and Reunion is a history of how the unity of white America was purchased through the increasing segregation of black and white memory of the Civil War. Blight delves deeply into the shifting meanings of death and sacrifice, Reconstruction, the romanticized South of literature, soldiers’ reminiscences of battle, the idea of the Lost Cause, and the ritual of Memorial Day. He resurrects the variety of African-American voices and memories of the war and the efforts to preserve the emancipationist legacy in the midst of a culture built on its denial.

Eric Foner wrote:

In ''Race and Reunion,'' David W. Blight demonstrates that as soon as the guns fell silent, debate over how to remember the Civil War began. In recent years, the study of historical memory has become something of a scholarly cottage industry. Rather than being straightforward and unproblematic, it is ''constructed,'' battled over and in many ways political. Moreover, forgetting some aspects of the past is as much a part of historical understanding as remembering others. Blight's study of how Americans remembered the Civil War in the 50 years after Appomattox exemplifies these themes. It is the most comprehensive and insightful study of the memory of the Civil War yet to appear.

Blight touches on a wide range of subjects, including how political battles over Reconstruction contributed to conflicting attitudes toward the war's legacy, the origins of Memorial Day and the rise of the ''reminiscence industry,'' through which published memoirs by former soldiers helped lay the groundwork for sectional reconciliation. He gives black Americans a voice they are often denied in works on memory, scouring the black press for accounts of Emancipation celebrations and articles about the war's meaning. As his title suggests, Blight, who teaches history and black studies at Amherst College, believes that how we think about the Civil War has everything to do with how we think about race and its history in American life.

Blight's work on this period of history can also be found in The Memory of the Civil War in American Culture in a chapter entitled "Decoration Days: The Origins of Memorial Day in North and South."
In a footnote, he points out:

8. New York Tribune, May 13, 1865; Charleston Daily Courier, May 2, 1865. I encountered evidence of this first Memorial Day observance in "First Decoration Day," Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the United States Collection, Houghton Library, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass. This handwritten description of the parades around the Race Course is undoubtedly based on the article by the New York Tribune correspondent named Berwick, whose name is mentioned in the description. The "First Decoration Day" author, however, misdates the Tribune articles. Other mentions of the May 1, 1865, event at the Charleston Race Course include Paul H. Buck, The Road to Reunion, 1865–1900 (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1937).

Buck misdates the event as May 30, 1865, does not mention the Race Course, gives James Redpath full credit for creating the event, and relegates the former slaves' role to "black hands "strewing flowers" which knew only that the dead they were honoring had raised them from a condition of servitude" (120–21). Whitelaw Reid visited the cemetery in Charleston founded on that first Decoration Day, making special mention of the archway and its words in his account of his travels through the conquered South: "Sympathizing hands have cleared away the weeds, and placed over the entrance an inscription that must bring shame to the cheek of every Southern man who passes: 'The Martyrs of the Race Course.

'" Whitelaw Reid, After the War: A Tour of the Southern States, 1865–1866 (1866; reprint, New York: Harper and Row, 1965).
Blight describes the importance of the Civil War in this three-part lecture for the Civil War Sesquicentennial, on the Civil War in American Memory, Part 1:


I take time out today to remember my own family members who fought in that war, even though this is a day of remembrance for those who died. Thankfully ,my black enslaved ancestor Dennis Weaver was not killed, though he had a terrible time getting his pension. I wrote about him in Ode to colored soldier whose name I bear. My white second great-grandfather, James Bratt, also fought for the union, in the 6th Independent Battery, Wisconsin Light Artillery, and survived.
What is important to note, when remembering those blacks who served, is that many of them died:

By the end of the Civil War, roughly 179,000 black men (10% of the Union Army) served as soldiers in the U.S. Army and another 19,000 served in the Navy. Nearly 40,000 black soldiers died over the course of the war—30,000 of infection or disease. Black soldiers served in artillery and infantry and performed all noncombat support functions that sustain an army, as well. Black carpenters, chaplains, cooks, guards, laborers, nurses, scouts, spies, steamboat pilots, surgeons, and teamsters also contributed to the war cause. There were nearly 80 black commissioned officers. Black women, who could not formally join the Army, nonetheless served as nurses, spies, and scouts, the most famous being Harriet Tubman (photo citation: 200-HN-PIO-1), who scouted for the 2d South Carolina Volunteers.

Hari Jones, assistant director and curator of the African American Civil War Memorial Freedom Foundation and Museum, talks about the origins and importance of the United States Colored Troops (USCT) contribution to the American Civil War:
On September 27, 1862, the first regiment to become a United States Colored Troops (USCT) regiment was officially brought into the Union army. All the captains and lieutenants in this Louisiana regiment were men of African descent. The regiment was immediately assigned combat duties, and it captured Donaldsonville, Louisiana on October 27, 1862. Before the Emancipation Proclamation was issued, two more African descent regiments from Kansas and South Carolina would demonstrate their prowess in combat.
After the Emancipation Proclamation was issued on January 1, 1863, the War Department publicly authorized the recruiting of African Americans. The first regiment raised with such authority was the 54th Massachusetts Infantry. (Leading many to report that it was the first African descent regiment.) By the end of 1863, General Ulysses S. Grant viewed the African descent population armed with the Proclamation as a “powerful ally.”

African Americans fought in every major campaign and battle during the last two years of the war earning twenty-five Medals of Honor. USCT regiments captured Charleston, the Cradle of Secession, and Richmond, the capital of the Confederacy. Lincoln recognized their contributions. He declared, “Without the military help of the black freedmen, the war against the South could not have been won.” And without the Emancipation Proclamation, these soldiers and sailors would have had little reason to fight for the Union.

If you visit Washington, D.C., be sure to check out the museum:

The mission of the African American Civil War Museum is to preserve and tell the stories of the United States Colored Troops and African American involvement in the American Civil War. We utilize a rich collection of primary resources, educational programming and technology to create a meaningful learning experience focused on this pivotal time in American history.

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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2015, 11:05:11 AM »
bump - Memorial Day 2015 (Formerly known as Decoration Day and originated after the American Civil War to commemorate the Union and Confederate soldiers who died in the war)
http://norfolksamericanconnections.com/the-friendly-invasion/

Stewart was promoted to major. In March 1944, he was transferred as group operations officer to the 453rd Bomb Group, at Old Buckenham, a new B-24 unit that had been experiencing difficulties. As a means to inspire his new group, Stewart flew as command pilot in the lead B-24 on numerous missions deep into Nazi-occupied Europe

Old Buckenham

Two miles south east of Attleborough, the 453rd Bomb Group flew 259 missions from Old Buckenham between December 1943 and April 1945. Both James Stewart and Walter Matthau were based here. Memorials: A stone memorial on the southern side of the airfield; and the Old Buckenham Village Hall extension is a memorial for the Group containing a plaque, Roll of Honor and wartime memorabilia. The airfield is still in operational use, see http://oldbuck.com for information.
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2015, 11:43:53 AM »
Vietnam - hill 875 1967

http://tomclarkblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/michael-herr-dislocation-battle-of-dak.html
Michael Herr: Dislocation (The Battle of Dak To, November 1967)

173rd Airborne Brigade, atop Hill 875, Dak To, Central Highlands, South Vietnam: photo by Kyoichi Sawada, November 1967; image by Photo Tractatus, 7 July 2011

The battle for Hill 875 was over, and some survivors were being brought in by Chinook to the landing strip at Dak To. The 173rd Airborne had taken over 400 casualties, nearly 200 killed, all on the previous afternoon and in the fighting that had gone on all through the night. It was very cold and wet up there, and some girls from the Red Cross had been sent up from Pleiku to comfort the survivors. As the troops filed out of the helicopters, the girls waved and smiled at them from behind their serving tables. "Hi, soldier! What's your name?" "Where you from, soldier?" "I'll bet some hot coffee would hit the spot right about now."
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2015, 02:29:43 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars


The USS Philadelphia burning at the Battle of Tripoli Harbor during the First Barbary War in 1804

https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/first-barbary-war
The First Barbary War

When Thomas Jefferson was inaugurated in March of 1801, he inherited troubled relations with the Barbary states — the Ottoman Regencies of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, along with independent Morocco. The United States had treaties with all four, but tension was high and rising.

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Jefferson’s thinking about how to deal with the Barbary challenge had evolved with experience. Already in 1803, planning to add smaller vessels to the squadron and just before approving presents for peace and annual tribute, he had written his Secretary of the Navy “I have never believed in any effect from a show of force to those powers…but [if one works within their system of presents and tribute] the warring on them at times will keep the demand of presents within bounds. The important thing for us now is to dispatch our small vessels.”34 A year later, in 1804, he decided the current squadron was not big enough to do the job. Newly-appointed Commodore Samuel Barron would command eleven vessels, “a force which would be able, beyond the possibility of a doubt, to coerce the enemy to a peace on terms compatible with our honor and our interest.”35  The expanded squadron would be more than twice the size of the original one three years earlier and its mix of frigates, brigs and smaller vessels would be better suited to its mission.

....The conclusion of the war in 1805 set off a wave of national pride among Americans, inspiring artwork and patriotic songs. But the circumstances under which peace was achieved gave President Jefferson’s political opponents ammunition to criticize his decisions. The


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Philadelphia_(1799)
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Philadelphia departed Gibraltar for the United States in April 1802, arriving in mid-July.[5] In ordinary until May 21, 1803 when she recommissioned, she sailed for the Mediterranean on July 28. She arrived in Gibraltar on August 24 with Captain William Bainbridge in command, and two days later recaptured the American brig Celia from the Moroccan ship-of-war Mirboka (24 guns and 100 men), and brought them both into Gibraltar.

Destruction

During the First Barbary War the Philadelphia cruised off Tripoli until October 31, 1803, when she ran aground on an uncharted reef off Tripoli Harbor. Under fire from shore batteries and Tripolitan gunboats, the Captain, William Bainbridge, tried to refloat her by casting off all of her guns in order to make her lighter. When this failed they tried to get rid of all other unnecessary equipment on the ship, but this too failed. They then sawed off the foremast in one last desperate attempt to lighten her. All of these attempts failed and Bainbridge decided to surrender; and her officers and men were made slaves of the Pasha.

The Philadelphia was too great a prize to be allowed to remain in the hands of the Tripolitans, so a decision was made to recapture or destroy her. Under the guise of a ship in distress in need of a place to tie up after having lost all anchors in a storm, on February 16, 1804 a volunteer assaulting party of officers and men under Lieutenant Stephen Decatur, Jr. boarded her from the ketch Intrepid and after making sure that she was not seaworthy burned her where she lay in Tripoli Harbor. Horatio Nelson, known as a man of action and bravery, is said to have called this "the most bold and daring act of the age."[6][7]

Her anchor was returned to the United States on April 7, 1871, when the Pasha presented it to the captain of the visiting Guerriere.

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http://wolfandiron.com/honor-hubris-lessons-life-death-stephen-decatur/
Honor and Hubris: Lessons from the Life and Death of Stephen Decatur
Posted in - Character & Friendship & Patriotism & Virtues on March 3rd 2014

Decatur Boarding the Tripolitan Gunboat

The year is 1804. President Thomas Jefferson’s decision to wage war against the North African Muslim Berber states, known collectively as the Barbary States, could not have gotten off to a worse start. For years the Barbary Pirates raided American trading vessels to Europe, all the while America paid millions to the rulers of the coastal states for the promise safe passage. Now, after running aground on an uncharted reef near the shores of Tripoli, the captured USS Philadelphia is moored in the harbor of her enemies and her crew, also captured, have been slaves of the Pasha for six months.
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After a brief period of university studies, Decatur enlisted in the newly formed U.S. Navy, using his passion, daring, and skill to quickly grow in rank. When talk began of a covert mission to lead a team of men and take back the USS Philadelphia, he jumped at the opportunity. When asked how many men he believed would be needed to accomplish such a mission he said, “The fewer the men, the greater the glory!”

With less than 60 soldiers at his command, he sails aboard the USS Intrepid, an enemy vessel he captured only months earlier, disguised now as a Maltese trading ship, into Tripoli. The American crew aboard are dressed as Arabs and Maltese sailors, and includes an Arabic speaking soldier who convinces the Tripolitan port authorities that their ship has lost her anchors and needs to dock for repairs.

The Intrepid is moored to the captured Philadelphia, and upon Decatur’s shout, “Board!”, the hidden crew emerged from the Intrepid, boarded the Philadelphia, and within 10 minutes killed 20 Tripolitan guards and secured the Philadelphia without losing any of Decatur’s men. Seeing, however, that the Philadelphia was in no condition to sail, Decatur and his crew were forced set the frigate ablaze. As the men sailed away in the Intrepid, the USS Philadelphia, still with guns loaded and now engulfed in flames, let loose a volley of iron upon the town and shore batteries. Upon hearing of the successful mission, British Vice Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson claimed that it was “the most bold and daring act of the Age.”

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News of the victory quickly spread, and Stephen Decatur became a national hero with international respect and the newly formed U.S. Navy was beginning to be viewed as a force to be reckoned with.
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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2015, 02:33:16 PM »
They want to take Jackson off the Twenty (he would not like to be on a "note" anyway)... well Jackson had a lot of faults but we would not have Louisiana without him ...

[ so where was Obama ? ]

http://www.nps.gov/jela/battle-of-new-orleans-bicentennial.htm
Battle of New Orleans Bicentennial

The bicentennial of the Battle of New Orleans was Thursday, January 8, 2015, but events, exhibits, and more activities related to the bicentennial continue throughout the area. Links to most of them are on this page.

http://michaelnhenderson.com/199th-anniversary-of-the-battle-of-new-orleans-wreath-laying-ceremony-in-jackson-square/
199th Anniversary of the Battle of New Orleans Wreath Laying Ceremony in Jackson Square

Dennis Malone Carter (American, 1827-1881). Battle of New Orleans, 1856. Oil on canvas. 18 1/4 x 24 1/2 in. (46.4 x 62.2 cm). Acc. no. 1960.22.The Historic New Orleans Collection


Jan 8, 1815  is the day recognized and celebrated as the Battle of New Orleans. It  was the climactic battle of America’s “forgotten war” of 1812. Andrew Jackson led his ragtag corps of soldiers against 8,000 disciplined invading British regulars in a battle that delivered the British a humiliating military defeat. The victory solidified America’s independence and marked the beginning of Jackson’s rise to national prominence. Hailed as “terrifically readable” by the Chicago Sun Times, The Battle of New Orleans is popular American history at its best, bringing to life a landmark battle that helped define the character of the United States.

This year Jan 8, 2014, marked the 199th anniversary of the Battle of New Orleans . I am  a descendant of a Free man of colored named Louis “Innocent” Mathieu Devaux.  He was one of those men, a member of the First Battalion Free Men of Color who stepped forward and answered the call to arm.  I was honored to attend this year’s commemoration and wreath laying ceremony coordinated by the National Society United States Daughter of 1812, New Orleans — Chalmette Chapter.
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WHERE WAS Obama ON THE 200TH ANNY OF THE Battle for New Orleans ?


http://www.c-span.org/video/?323652-1/president-obama-remarks-housing-market
January 8, 2015
President Obama on the Housing Market

Prsident Obama delivered remarks on the housing market at an event at Central High School in Phoenix, Arizona. 


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http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2015/01/08/200-years-ago-today-the-battle-of-new-orleans-redefined-america
The 'Forgotten Conflict' That Defined the U.S.

Britain's greatest military defeat launched a number of historical myths and the age of Jackson
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« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2015, 12:27:06 AM »
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/

SATURDAY, MAY 23, 2015

  BEING A VET, I CAN ATTEST TO THE TRUTH OF THIS ARTICLE.  I WAS IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM AT THE VA HOSPITAL IN OKC A FEW MONTHS AGO.  I GOT THERE AT 11AM AND WAS TOLD I WOULD NOT BE SEEN UNTIL 4 IN THE MORNING.  I LEFT ABOUT 7 PM.  WHILE I WAS THERE, ANOTHER VET WAS HAVING ALL THE SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF A HEART ATTACK---PAIN IN THE CHEST, PAIN RADIATING DOWN HIS LEFT ARM AND PAIN IN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MANDIBLE.  THEY WOULD NOT SEE HIM SO HE LEFT AND WENT TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL. 

  DEATH TO THE NWO.


Memorial Day Dishonor and Disgrace

by Stephen Lendman

General Smedley Butler was right. War is a racket - based on Big Lies, waged for wealth, power and dominance.

Wars have nothing to do with upholding democratic values, humanitarian intervention or fighting for peace, stability and security.

They have everything to do with conquest, colonization and control - forcing one nation's will on others, stealing resources and exploiting populations.

America dishonors its war dead - sacrificed on the alter of greed and lust for power.

Privileged elites let others do their dying for them - making the world safe for bankers, war profiteers and other corporate predators.

Innocent youths are sent to die based on Big Lies. Sick and/or wounded returning home are often abandoned.

Epidemic levels of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) affect hundreds of thousands of combat forces and vets. Many go untreated.

Independent reports reveal nearly half of Afghan and Iraq vets have emotional and/or physical combat injuries. Many are maimed for life.

Combat stress is more than many can bear. The disturbing toll wars take is one of the most underreported stories. A generation of combat vets won't ever be the same again.

Many needing help don't get it. Too few get enough. An epidemic of vet and active duty suicides symbolizes war's hellishness.

Many deaths aren't called suicides - at home or abroad in war theaters. Misreporting is commonplace.

Many suicide victims are age 50 or older. Combat-related trauma is long-lasting. According to a Center for a New American Security (CNAS) suicide report, veterans commit suicide every 80 minutes.

Study authors Margaret Harrell and Nancy Berglass said:

"America is losing its battle against suicide by veterans and service members. And as more troops return from deployment, the risk will only grow."

Many vets return home feeling helpless. Marine Corps vet Jason Christiansen watched his life unravel. "At one point, I was sitting there with a gun in my mouth," he said. A friend urged him to seek help.

The Veterans Crisis Line gets hundreds of thousands of calls. CNAS said from 2005 - 2010, "approximately one service member committed suicide every 36 hours." Too little too late reflects DOD/VA policy.

For what? America hasn't had an enemy since Japan formally surrendered in early September 1945 aboard the battleship Missouri.

In the decade post-9/11, the VA paid $200 million to nearly 1,000 families in wrongful death cases.

They're the tip of the iceberg. Malpractice takes countless others. Included are veteran and active duty suicides for denial of vitally needed physical and/or emotional care.

Wrongful diagnoses and botched surgeries are commonplace by uncaring medical professionals in a system encouraging malpractice by devoting resources to war-making, not caring of its sick, wounded or dying.

Malignant tumors are allowed to grow. Over-dosing on dangerous drugs compensates for denial of proper treatment.

Elderly vets promised healthcare for life die from fatal neglect. How many others suffer out of sight and mind?

It bears repeating. America dishonors its war dead, sick, wounded and dying. Paul Craig Roberts is right. Memorial Day is a cruel hoax - a national disgrace.

It's been this way from inception since 1866 - more than ever today by far.
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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2015, 12:35:27 AM »
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/05/21/memorial-day-hoax-paul-craig-roberts/

Memorial Day Is A Hoax — Paul Craig Roberts

Memorial Day commemorates soldiers killed in war. We are told that the war dead died for us and our freedom. US Marine General Smedley Butler challenged this view. He said that our soldiers died for the profits of the bankers, Wall Street, Standard Oil, and the United Fruit Company. Here is an excerpt from a speech that he gave in 1933:

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we’ll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its “finger men” to point out enemies, its “muscle men” to destroy enemies, its “brain men” to plan war preparations, and a “Big Boss” Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2015, 07:02:56 PM »
Smedley Butler predicted WWII would start around 1942 from Japan/China in 1937:

http://stevenwarranresearch.blogspot.com/2014/03/smedley-d-butler-1936-1941.html
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August 31, 1937, The Saratogian, page 8, Smedley Butler Raps Americans in China,
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« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2016, 04:07:41 PM »
bump - 2016

Hiroshima and Nagasaki
http://www.theprisonerlist.com/order-to-kill-all-pows.html
Order to kill all POWs

A year before the end of WW2, the Japanese War Ministry issued written orders to all prison camp commandants instructing them to prepare for the "final disposition" of their POWs:


 
The POWs were to be annihilated as and when Allied forces landed in the Japanese-occupied territories where they were being held. This was to prevent the POWs from being rescued (or escaping), and becoming a fighting force again.
 
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Saved by the skin of their teeth

The Japanese were expecting an Allied invasion of Thailand on or around 21 August 1945, and were set to annihilate the prisoners on that date. (In fact, the Allies were planning to land in Thailand on 18 August, so the prisoners' demise may have been even more imminent than that.)

So, when Japan surrendered on 15 August, the Thailand prisoners were less than a week away (and POWs in the other territories less than a month away) from their planned execution date.

Now that Japan had surrendered – prompted by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – no Allied invasions would be necessary.

The timing of the atomic bombs had therefore been crucial: If the war had been continued by conventional means for just a short time longer, the prisoners and internees would have been killed.

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« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2016, 12:36:30 PM »
As Our Past Wars Are Glorified This Memorial Day Weekend, Give Some Thought To Our Prospects Against The Russians And Chinese In World War III
28 May 2016
, (Paul Craig Roberts)
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/05/28/as-our-past-wars-are-glorified-this-memorial-day-weekend-give-some-thought-to-our-prospects-against-the-russians-and-chinese-in-world-war-iii/

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It is entirely possible that the world is being led to destruction by nothing more than the greed of the US military-security complex. Delighted that the reckless and stupid Obama regime has resurrected the Cold War, thus providing a more convincing “enemy” than the hoax terrorist one, the “Russian threat” has been restored to its 20th century role of providing a justification for bleeding the American taxpayer, social services, and the US economy dry in behalf of profits for armament manufacturers.
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« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2017, 10:16:25 PM »
bump 2017
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« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2017, 11:08:22 AM »
http://www.wxyz.com/news/president-trump-visits-arlington-national-cemetery-on-memorial-day
President Trump visits Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day
10:56 AM, May 29, 2017
1 min ago

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Donald Trump is preparing his first Memorial Day address at Arlington National Cemetery.



WATCH LIVE HERE http://www.wxyz.com/live4

Trump is also set to lay a wreath Monday at the cemetery, the final resting place for many U.S. military members and others who have served the country.



Trump previewed the address Saturday before he flew home from Italy, the final stop on his first trip abroad since taking office.

He addressed U.S. service members stationed at a naval base in Sicily as "warriors of freedom" and the "patriots who keep the fires of liberty burning."

Trump also noted his desire to boost spending on the military, and as commander in chief pledged his "complete and unshakeable support" to the men and women in uniform.
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« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2017, 01:13:41 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/29/president-trump-gives-memorial-day-address-at-arlington-national-cemetery.html
President Trump gives Memorial Day Address at Arlington National Cemetery
Brooke Singman
By Brooke Singman     Published May 29, 2017 
Fox News
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“Today we also hold a special vigil for heroes whose stories we cannot tell, because their names are known to God alone--the unknown soldiers,” Trump said. “We do not know where they came from, who they left behind, or what they hoped to be, but we do know what they did. They fought and they died in the great and noble act of loyalty and love to their families and to our country.”



Brooke Singman is a Reporter for Fox News. Follow her on Twitter at @brookefoxnews.

http://www.487thbg.org/Stories/WarrenDraves.html

Warren J. Draves  Tail Gunner

http://www.487thbg.org/Stories/Family%20Story.htm
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Introduction:

I am Richard Draves. Warren was my uncle, my father's brother.

After serving with the 487th, Warren came home. I do not know what (if any) employment he had. But he was killed in an auto accident in 1947 (before my 1st birthday).  I never knew him
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Verification:

I was doing some internet searching when I stumbled upon a Crew Roster with the name "Warren J. Draves." How can this be? He died long before the internet was invented. But the facts were there, or enough to seem like this really was my uncle. It showed he was a Tail Gunner - in a B-24 named "Murph's Motley Mob."

Looking a little deeper, was a photo of the Nose Art of a B-24

In reading the history of the 487th BG, they started with B-24's then changed to B-17's in July 1944.

So the story seemed to all fit together. In looking carefully as the detail of the drawing "Murph's Motly Mob" there is an "E" penciled in to make it 'Motley', this verifies, in my mind, that this drawing was in fact the original (complete with a typo). Had it been a copy, the name would have been correct. Also the image was moved around the 'Fire Extinguisher' plate on the plane.

Closure: So there we have a story, over 60 years old, verified!

http://www.487thbg.org/photos/murphycrew.shtml


Murphy Crew of Murph's Motley Mob (B-24) - 837th Squadron
 This crew also evidently served on Jane & Sharon Ann (B-17)
 Standing (L to R): Joseph Salka (mechanic), T/Sgt Jack E. Kearns (flight engineer), 1st Lt Howard T Dries (navigator), Capt James M. Murphy (pilot), 1st Lt Edward A Astasouskas (co-Pilot), 1st Lt Thomas A. Wolf (bombardier), M/Sgt Leonard E. Foley (crew chief)
 Kneeling (L to R): S/Sgt Robert W. Conner (armorer gunner), T/Sgt Charles J. Molosky (waist gunner), T/Sgt Warren J. Draves (tail gunner), T/Sgt Charles D. Thompson (radio operator)
 (photo provided by Richard Draves, nephew of Warren Draves)


http://www.487thbg.org/Stories/Photos/Originals/Happy%20Warrior.jpg
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« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2017, 01:23:06 PM »
Liberators ... (B-24's)
http://www.airplaneboneyards.com/post-wwii-military-airplane-boneyards.htm
Military Airplane Boneyards and Scrapping Depots After World War II

Rows of B-24 Liberators await the scrap heap at Kingman AAF in Arizona
 "Old Black Magic" 0333 in the foreground


Boeing B-29 Superfortress "Enola Gay" ... in storage at Pyote AFB after World War II 

B-24 Liberator "Mabel's Labels" ... "Gimme a Great Big Smile!" engines removed and awaiting the guillotine and smelter




http://www.airplanesofthepast.com/b24-liberator-scrapping-after-wwii.htm
After the end of World War II in August of 1945, the U.S. Army Air Corp found itself with thousands of surplus, and now obsolete, B-24 Liberators.

Of the 18,493 Liberators that were built, most were sent to military airplane boneyards for temporary storage, sale, or scrapping and smelting into aluminum ingots.

 While some Liberators were sold and continued usage in civilian aviation, most ended their service, not in combat, but in the smelter at locations such as Kingman Army Air Field in Arizona





Zerr Crew of B-24 "Mountain Time", tail number 42-52736 - 836th Squadron

Zerr Crew of B-24 "Mountain Time", tail number 42-52736 - 836th Squadron
 Back row-L to R: 2nd Lt Harry E. Stahl (copilot), 2nd Lt Bert E. Zerr (pilot), 2nd Lt Cordell E. Johnson (bomardier), 2nd Lt Elliot L. Katz (Navigator)
 Front row-L to R: Sgt Tom A. Hutchinson (gunner), S/Sgt John D. Kiser (radio operator), Sgt Michael V. Clark (gunner), T/Sgt Carl L. Late (flight engineer), Cpt William W. Weeks (gunner), Sgt William R. Lusby (gunner)
 (photo provided by John Kiser to Thomas Watson, Carl Late's cousin, and also provided by Mary Steinbrecher daughter of John Kiser)

http://www.487thbg.org/Photos/ShooShooBabyCrew.shtml

Shoo Shoo Baby and crew B-24 #42-52747 of 839th Squadron
 Crew of Lt. Charles S. Crutcher
 Back Row (standing left to right): T/Sgt Allen R. Baca (Radio Operator), 2nd Lt.Theodore "Duke" Sansom (Co-Pilot), 2nd Lt. Charles S. Crutcher, Jr. (Pilot)
 Front Row (left to right): 2nd Lt. Victor V. Tonon (Navigator), S/Sgt. William H. Mostellar (Gunner), F/O Norman Tipograph (Bombardier), S/Sgt Owell Hensley (Flight Engineer), Sgt Matthew A. Fritz (Gunner)
 (Photo courtesy of John W. Archer, identities courtesy of Charles S. Crutcher)

http://www.487thbg.org/Photos/DuncanCrew.shtml
487th Bomb Group (H) Station 137 - Lavenham, Suffolk, UK
22-Sep-43 to 7-Nov-45



Joseph A. Duncan Crew - 839th Bomb Squadron
 The Joseph A. Duncan crew during training at Alamogordo, New Mexico, in January 1944. The crew is posing with training B-24D #128, called
‘THE ROCKET’
Back row (L to R): [First two men are 2/Lt Chester D. Evans (navigator) and 2/Lt Francis W. Miller (bombardier), order uncertain], 2/Lt James Hood Jr (copilot), 1/Lt Joseph A. Duncan (pilot), T/Sgt Gerard F. Brown (radio operator)
 Front row (L to R): Sgt David G. Grieve (tail gunner), Sgt Nolan C. Antee (gunner), T/Sgt Arnold E. Marquardt (engineer), S/Sgt Monroe S. Wolyn (nose gunner), Sgt James M. Galligan (armorer-gunner)
 (Photo provided by Michael Galligan)
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« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2017, 02:01:36 PM »
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2017-05-28-US--Disrespecting%20Memorial%20Day/id-5bd38a09d18148ea99062b8a75d504e3
May. 28, 2017 11:37 AM ET
To many Americans, Memorial Day has lost its meaning
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press

ANNVILLE, Pa. (AP) — Allison Jaslow heard it more than once as the long holiday weekend approached — a cheerful "Happy Memorial Day!" from oblivious well-wishers.

The former Army captain and Iraq War veteran had a ready reply, telling them, matter-of-factly, that she considered it a work weekend. Jaslow will be at Arlington National Cemetery on Monday to take part in the annual wreath-laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. She'll then visit Section 60, the final resting place of many service members who died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"You can see it in people's faces that they're a little horrified that they forget this is what the day's about," said Jaslow, 34, who wears a bracelet bearing the name of a fallen comrade. "Culturally, we've kind of lost sight of what the day's supposed to mean."

While millions of Americans celebrate the long Memorial Day weekend as the unofficial start of summer — think beaches and backyard barbecues, mattress sales and sporting events — some veterans and loved ones of fallen military members wish the holiday that honors more than 1 million people who died serving their country would command more respect.

Or at least awareness.
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POW MIA Bracelet Vietnam War Capt. Ronald Mastin 1-16-67

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/10/30/news/bangor/winterport-veteran-wearing-mia-bracelet-finds-closure-with-soldiers-burial/
Veteran wearing MIA bracelet finds closure in soldier’s burial
By Nok-Noi Ricker, BDN Staff
Posted Oct. 30, 2015, at 6:54 a.m.
WINTERPORT, Maine — When Charles Sisson saw a photograph of the military burial of three soldiers who had been listed as missing in action during the Vietnam War in the Bangor Daily News last week, he instantly recognized one of the names in the caption.

The local Vietnam veteran had been wearing a Prisoner of War/Missing In Action, or POW/MIA, bracelet for more than a decade engraved with the name of Army Staff Sgt. Bunyan D. Price Jr. of Belmont, North Carolina
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Price was buried along with two others in his unit on Oct. 20 at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia. Photos of the burial were published by multiple news outlets.

“My intent is to send it to [Price’s family] and then I’ll get another one,” Sisson said Monday, referring to the silver bracelet on his right wrist as he spoke with a BDN reporter. “He went missing on May 2, 1970, in Cambodia. I was stationed in Vietnam at that time.”
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2017, 09:49:20 PM »
Not a day goes by I don`t think about the men who gave their lives in defense of this nation.
I do recognize the reasoning as to why some wars were fought. This man mentioned- wore the bracelet of a captured officer while in Cambodia.( LIL Johny M stopped the search for POW`s, just mentioning).
What is not included is why this became a war, continued and expanded, in the beggining it was classified as if US troops were advisors, then a police action, then a war. LBJ and Adm McCain made sure the Gulf of Tonkin FF was the turning point to a full blown , ugly, mucken slaughter.The FF Tonkin Later exposed publically to be a deception.
 Most troopers knew this was a set up by the LBJ to Nixon crew, but in the end it was a tad to late, once there in theboots one message above all else, keep your men alive, get them home.
JFK was going to end the war, instead it ended him, also along with his attacking the fed, CIA etc.
  The Cambodia invasion was publicized before the actual invasion, the word spread, the Cong knew,aquantity of rice cashes were located, skirmishes, a quantity of weapons, etc.   It reminds me of Obama telling the world he is going to order a attack on a  ISIS position in a few weeks.
I was on the border of Cambodia , the fishook region, Tay Ninh in those days refered to as Rocket city ( nickname), as Charley  rocketed & motored us daily, after the Cambodia  invasion there was no change.
  Troopers beleived in our nation, not in our political masters. 
I may have gone off the map a tad, but again each day I say a silent prayer for those who gave life or limb and for the family`s of the fallen. Memorial day to me is an everyday occurence.
  I suggest to any person interested, those who care or even question, visit a VA Hospitol and have a encounter with the troopers, the lil guys, the grunts who returned with peices missing and have a down to earth chat.
  Trump has said he seeks peace , and yes I agree with a strong defense entirely, BUT I don`t go along with nation tumbling. One must ask himself, did our regimes invasion of Afg, Iraq, Lybia, accomplish anything or did it escalate the terrorism, do we consider the hundred of thousand innocents killed, nations destroyed our troopers zapped and the trillions spent.   Yes, I`m a tad cynical, wars are planned. Terrorism  existed before the invasions, but to a minscule % of what we now are witnessing now,  do you think the *planners didn`t realize this would happen?

 
 

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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
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Re: Memorial Day is a Sad Milestone . . . and a Crossroads
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2017, 12:08:45 AM »

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