Weekend Blog and Run-up to Alex's Live KLBJ Sunday show... 9/02/07

[JTCoyoté]

The Texas Straw Poll in Fort Worth is on. Ron Paul is "stumping" Austin, San Antonio, Houston, and then up to Dallas/Fort Worth...So if you are in the area head to Fort Worth and vote... In any case, it is the weekend run-up to Alex's Sunday KLBJ Live show... and you have the better part of two days to put up questions here for Alex to read and answer Live on the air. So try to have some good ones up for him by showtime, and don't forget to phrase your title as a question... all, as we fight to push back the "New World Order"!--Oldyoti

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SUNDAY ON THE NEW
ALEX JONES RADIO PROGRAM
KLBJ
9-2-07



Jerome Corsi

Alex welcomes author, journalist, and globalism expert, Jerome Corsi, to discuss the North American Union, and what has been gleaned through the recent SPP/NAU meeting in Montebello, Quebec and the shock
that the United Nations will rule over us, through an orchestrated world-wide flu pandemic.

VIDEO OF THE DAY

Jerome Corsi Exposes UN Flu Pandemic Plans pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmWSkXGPU8U
09:36


Jerome Corsi Exposes UN Flu Pandemic Plans pt2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru-FdDuX_g
07:34 



"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." -- Thomas Paine

[Joe(WI)]

Someone wanted to know what would happen after matrial law? THIS
http://www.gregpalast.com/%e2%80%9cthey-wanted-them-poor-niggers-out-of-there%e2%80%9d/#more-1843

Blackwater. Scandal. Bleh. And Bush and Clinton want us to give money to THEM to help the people of Big Easy, sick of puking.

[PaulRevere]

Does the movie star Jack Black, such films as School of Rock (directed by truther Richard Linklater), King Kong, and so on, know the truth about the New World Order or is he simply unaware of what the all seeing eye represents?

In is recent movie, Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny, he and is bandmate KG sported all seeing eyes at least two times that I counted.

1. On the neck of the guitar that KG gives to Jables.

2. All seeing eye drawn on KG's sweatband.

Yet at the end of the movie thay battle the devil. Although this hardley seems like an important subject with all the crap that's happening to this country.

[mr anderson]

I was wondering Alex, do you guys need a photographer?

I couldn't think of anything better than joining my passion for photography and fighting the NWO than becoming a photographer for the infowar.

[cabaretvolterror]

please reference the following thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4206.0

[mr anderson]

http://www.news.com.au/feature/0,,5013109,00.html - APEC central - Maps of zoning, articles, pictures.

FEARS NSW Police and APEC activists are on a collision course have heightened after the protagonists failed to negotiate an acceptable protest route through Sydney's CBD.The Stop Bush Coalition said police had been unreasonable in denying their proposed route for the September 8 protest, which would pass the US Consulate at Martin Place and include Macquarie St. The coalition has threatened legal action if the route is not approved.

More problems are anticipated if the stars of TV comedy The Chaser - who were denied media accreditation - manage to infiltrate security.

Chaser member Julian Morrow told The Sunday Telegraph he was expecting his team to be arrested. "We want to get a working majority arrested and we want to get Chas (Licciardello) shot," he said.

"At this stage I think we're on target. "We're hoping at least three of the team will be arrested." Morrow said it was unhealthy for attending APEC politicians to be protected.

"We have every right to be there," he said.

"I think in principle it's a bad thing, I think the idea that politicians should be protected from scrutiny is a bad idea and that they should be protected from mockery is an even worse idea."

'Something extreme' planned

While Morrow said he doubted they would be in proximity to APEC's people of substance, he vowed that The Chaser had something extreme planned for the summit's Sydney sojourn.  "Our plan is to play with APEC, as the event and as the phenomenon that gets dumped on Australia and Sydney, in a pretty extreme way."  As police grapple with the need for heightened security issues, Sydneysiders have been encouraged to be patient as their lives are interrupted. Mobile phone calls in the CBD will be blocked as a counter-terrorism measure to prevent bomb attacks. President Bush's motorcade will be shadowed by a helicopter equipped with signal-jamming equipment.

The Intercontinental Hotel, the President's home for the week, will have unprecedented security. Along with the 6000 support staff and delegates in Sydney for APEC, there will be 400 visiting business leaders and about 1500 media representatives.

'Hefty fines' warning

The 5km fence sealing off the Royal Botanic Gardens and several blocks around Circular Quay will be strong enough to stop vehicles that terrorists potentially could load with explosives.

The RTA has installed 12,000 clearways across 25 suburbs.

Motorists have been warned they face hefty fines for parking in any of the clearways.

Commuters should also take note - three of the city circle train stations will be shut down for three days and 30 State Transit buses are on standby in case they are needed as mobile holding cells.

[mr anderson]

What exactly is APEC?

The Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation Group is an international body made up of 21 member countries including most nations with a border to the Pacific Ocean.  The current members are: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, China, Chinese Taipei, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Philippines, Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, USA, Vietnam.

How important is it?

On the world stage, it is of limited importance.  The G8 summit and the World Economic Forum attract some serious firepower, not just from among heads of government of the richest nations on Earth but also from the bankers and business barons who pull the purse strings.

However, it is fairly rare for so many world leaders to be in the same place at the same time – so when they are, what they talk about and what they sign up to can be very important.  It is even more rare for Australia to be a part of this type of summit, arguably making it more important for us than for others involved (George W. Bush is leaving early, for instance).

What will they be talking about?

Since the 2001 summit in Shanghai, which took place in the summit of the September 11 attacks in the US, international security and the fight against terrorism has had an increasingly prominent place at the talks.  While the summit is technically supposed to be focused on economic issues, it is argued that terrorism has such an impact on a country’s economy that it should be discussed at APEC.

Trade issues such as free trade and/or lowering tariffs between APEC members will also be on the agenda.  The Prime Minister also wants the 21 world leaders to discuss setting up a regional carbon trading scheme as part of the fight against global warming. 

Why are people so angry about it?

The original driving force behind the opposition to APEC was the anti-globalisation movement, which believes that groups such as APEC and the trade deals they promote merely make rich countries richer and poor countries poorer.

But since it is fairly rare for so many world leaders to be together at once, it provides a platform for protest groups of all types to target the meeting as their chance to get their message across while the spotlight is on.

So what do the protesters want?

It varies.  The anti-APEC protests are anti-globalisation, anti-war, anti-WorkChoices, anti-global warming and anti-poverty, to name just a few rallying points.  The wide range of leaders coming to town also means there could be single-issue protesters – for instance someone opposed to China’s human rights record or Russia’s war in Chechnya.

So the protesters are united in their opposition to the high profile names attending, but what they actually want instead can differ.

How will it affect me?

Strict security measures will be in place for the summit.  This includes water exclusion zones on Darling Harbour, around the Opera House and Farm Cove and at Kirribilli point as well as a no-fly zone over the city.

The main impact on residents though will be from the “declared areas” and “restricted areas” that will be in place.  In addition to the harbour restrictions, a “declared area” will be enforced from Circular Quay to King Street and from Macquarie Street to George Street.  Drivers could have their cars searched if they try to enter this zone during the summit.  Police have also been given specific “public security” powers for this time.

Further “restricted areas” could be established within the “declared” areas.  Residents will be allowed to come and go from their homes, but they may not be allowed to drive.

Some roads will be closed, some will become clearways and others will have restricted on-street parking.  Traffic will be blocked to allow motorcades special passage from hotels to venues.  Museum, St James and Circular Quay stations will be closed from Friday 7 September to Sunday 9 September.  Some Circular Quay buses and ferries will be affected.

Anti-APEC protesters will meet at Town Hall from 10am on the Saturday, and then march through the city to Hyde Park.

Should I just stay away from the city?

APEC organisers say the city is open for business, but to expect disruptions, limited access and if possible to leave the car at home.  The New South Wales Government has suggested Sydneysiders use the long weekend to clear out of the city and avoid the disruptions completely.

Retailers, eateries and attractions will be open, except for the Opera House and Government House, which are summit venues and will be closed from 3 September to 9 September and 2 September to 10 September respectively.  The areas outside the Opera House and Government House will be closed for the long weekend.

There will be a heavy police and security presence in and around the CBD over the summit weekend, including at those train stations remaining open and on public transport entering the city. 

Why is so much security needed? Isn’t it overkill?

Some say yes, some say no.  The presence of world leaders such as George W. Bush, Hu Jintao, Vladimir Putin makes the summit a genuine target of globally active militants.  In 2003, the leader of Jemaah Islamiah, Hambali, was allegedly planning an attack on the summit in Bangkok when he was arrested in Thailand.  Smaller targeting other leaders – such as Indonesia’s Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono or Gloria Arroyo of The Philippines, could possibly use the summit as a grand stage for an attack.  These potential threats make a strict security operation of some sort necessary.

But protesters would say there is a world of difference between them and the likes of Hambali.  They say the measures being taken, including so-called “secret lists” of people to be removed from declared areas on sight, are over the top and very worrying.  Security for the event is costing around $170 million, making it even more expensive than protecting the Olympics in 2000.

Why is it in Sydney?  Why not Canberra or somewhere else?

Preliminary meetings have been held in Canberra and other cities across the country, but organisers say only Sydney has the hotel capacity to host such a huge event.  They projected that hosting APEC 2007 would require 25,000 room nights across the city – although they also reported room bookings significantly down on their expectations.

Disruption to a major metropolis is nothing new for APEC - previous meetings have been held in bustling centres such as Shanghai, Bangkok, Seoul and Singapore.  However Mexico chose a resort town on the Baja peninsula with fewer than 200,000 residents, while the USA chose an island in the middle of the Puget Sound, near Seattle.

So is it worth it?

Organisers say APEC will put Sydney back on the world stage and let it build on trade, cultural and tourism ties with the Asia-Pacific region.  They say the city will also benefit economically from hosting the event, but business groups say the public holiday alone will cost them more than $320 million in lost productivity.

The deals struck at the meeting could potentially benefit nearly 2 billion people.

However protesters say the summit will achieve nothing positive.  They say the talks will be a massive waste of money better spent elsewhere that will bring widespread disruption to Sydney and set a precedent for harsh security laws in Australia.

[mr anderson]

Why APEC is good for us all

By Greg Sheridan
September 02, 2007 01:00am

ALL this week and next weekend, Sydney will host the biggest and most important international meeting in the history of Australia.
The Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation forum will attract cabinet ministers and government leaders from 21 economies around the Asia Pacific. There will inevitably be some traffic disruption in and around central Sydney, but it is truly in a noble cause. The Prime Minister, John Howard, was right when he said that if there is any real disturbance, the people to blame for this are not the APEC delegates, but the violent demonstrators themselves.

It is a tragedy of modern democracies that violent extremists exploit their freedoms to try to shut down free discussion. It is a bitter fruit of the anti-democratic, totalitarian, fascist, street-fighting qualities of modern demonstrators that, for international delegates, it can be easier to have a free discussion in Beijing than Sydney. It would, of course, be madness for a proud, democratic nation like Australia to give in to the anti-democratic forces by not holding meetings such as APEC.

All Australians should be proud of APEC. It is the most consequential organisation we have created and also the most important organisation of which we are a member. Bob Hawke founded APEC in 1989. It began life with a meeting of foreign ministers in Canberra. It was, as its name suggested, devoted to furthering economic co-operation and free trade. These are good goals in themselves and APEC has done a lot of good work towards them.

But there was always a deeper strategy. The Asia Pacific was weak in institutions. Before APEC came along, there was not even an institution in which Chinese and Japanese leaders regularly met. Australia belonged to no natural regional grouping. The only two significant bodies of which we were a member were the Commonwealth and the South Pacific Forum. In APEC's first few years, Australia successfully negotiated the entrance of China, Hong Kong and Taiwan as separate economies. This, in itself, was a minor miracle, as China normally won't join anything to which Taiwan belongs.

Then Paul Keating, after he became Prime Minister, conceived of massively ramping up APEC's power and clout by holding regular APEC leaders' meetings. Since then, APEC has done good, steady work and sometimes spectacular, specific interventions in particular situations. In 1994, in Indonesia, APEC leaders committed themselves to a vision of free trade in the Asia Pacific. The vision hasn't come completely to fruition, but tariff barriers and other impediments to free trade have been greatly reduced in that time. That is one reason Asia continues to be the fastest-growing region in the world - and why Australia is so prosperous today.

APEC is an economic co-operation body, not a security organisation, but leaders can address any issue they like. The 1999 APEC meeting was critical in diplomacy between the US, Indonesia and Australia, which led to Australia's East Timor intervention. APEC provides an opportunity for leaders to hold private meetings, without all the pre-meeting negotiation involved in one leader visiting another's country. At difficult times between the US and China, their presidents have been able to meet at APEC and often defuse the tensions between their nations.

APEC is wholly a good thing.

The demonstrators trying to wreck it are nuts.

[mr anderson]

Iemma braced for violent APEC protests
Posted 7 hours 41 minutes ago
 
Mr Iemma says police have done their best to accommodate all of the groups that want to protest peacefully. However he says many people will not accept the security arrangements for APEC and will be out to incite violence.

"My message to them is, don't," he said.

"But if you do the police will be out in force, and they'll enforce the law and they'll do so with strength and authority."

Meanwhile Mr Iemma says he hopes a new early warning emergency system in Sydney's CBD will never have to be used. The system, which alerts people to emergencies with sirens and messages, was tested this morning. Mr Iemma says the $2 million system is now operational ahead of APEC.

"We hope that we never have to use it, but it is part of the security measures that we've put in place for APEC," he said.

"Around the city some 14 locations will have the signs and around 49 will have the audio-visual system in place to act as an information to the public should an incident occur."

[mr anderson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLfOCliLZ4

[collin]

I followed your lead and surprise surprise he did say that. How unfunny he is and is this not just disinformation and double speak blue and bold. I think Australia is in for a surprise of its own judging from his off the cuff remarks or is this not his way of spreading fear and terror in the region by alerting students to the fact that it could be them next. He goes on to talk about the need to get support for his war efforts and clearly mentions Iran as a major threat to the allies operations. With increasing blame attributed to Iran an offensive in their region is becoming more a certainty. Lets pray for rain and hope we can get our boys home sooner not later.

[TimeLady]

He probably knows, and, knowing him, is being a smartass about it.

Not as in "I AM THE ILLUMINATUS" (although that could be an upcoming lyric in a Tenacious D song), but more like, "Look kids! This is what you need to know!" sense

[freethought]

Oh come on guys! The whole of western culture is steeped in Hermetic symbolism, look at your dollar, does that make every film that has a dollar bill in it, OMG "indecent proposal" is 1 million times over NWO!!!
IMHO its more likely that someone in the prop department was told make a cool evil looking ...whatever and just decided to stick various symbols on. When you see the symbols used in a more formal setting, like on your state buildings I would pay more attention.
Give the fat devil boy a break!

[DocRock]

Bush to Iran? No, La Voz de Aztlan to Americans. This is not an editorial, it's a threat.

Quote:
"Last week, Mexican insurgents bombed PEMEX natural gas and oil facilities. We see strong possibilities that Mexican insurgent groups will soon make connections with al-Queda, if they have not done so already. What are the possible repercussions for peace loving Americans if the alienation of Mexico and its people continues? If a linkup of al-Queda with Mexican insurgents becomes a reality, the security of the vast 2,000 mile border would be greatly jeopardized. Building a border wall will not minimize the danger.

The best course of action is to start re-building the friendship that once existed between the two countries. It is with this in mind that we have created Project Amigos. We invite all people and especially good Americans to join us. We must neutralize the world's warmongers and internal hatemongers and promote friendship between all cultures, races, national groups and religions if we are to survive and live in peace and harmony."

www.aztlan.net

[freethought]

It sounds like  he the autocue operator got confused with the original Operation Northwoods plan. The story that was going to be sold to the public involved planes of students on a trip being blown up..... Hmnnnnn. 

[DocRock]

THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians’ military capability in three days, according to a national security expert.

Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for “pinprick strikes” against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “They’re about taking out the entire Iranian military,” he said.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece

[mr anderson]

Training manual fires up rioters
EXCLUSIVE by Joe Hildebrand and Malcolm Farr
September 03, 2007 01:00am

Manual tells of how to confront police
APEC-related arrests already made
Manual an 'open declaration of violence

MILITANT APEC protesters are secretly plotting an outbreak of violence for US President George W. Bush's arrival in Sydney tomorrow, distributing a rioter's training manual on how to wear gas masks, confront police and even evade fares.

The clandestine anarchist action, six weeks in the making, has been dubbed "FLARE in the void" and is described as an "Anti-APEC counter convergence".

Police are already on edge about security, yesterday clamping down on activity in the Sydney CBD - including forcing three German tourists to delete photographs they had of the security fence. And APEC-related arrests have already begun with the charging of 12 Greenpeace activists who boarded inflatable boats early yesterday to paint "Australia Pushing Export Coal" on the side of a ship in Newcastle Harbour.

The FLARE (For Liberation Autonomy Resistance Exodus) manual openly declares an intent to commit violence.

It tells protesters engaging in "direct action" to form small groups of five to 15 people and to wear masks so they cannot be identified.

"It is important to defy police attempts to frighten us," the so-called Mutiny Collective has written in one section.

The manual also tells rioters to wear gas masks, goggles, running shoes and full-body clothing to protect from tear gas and capsicum spray. It also advises carrying water and a bandanna soaked in vinegar to combat the effects of pepper spray.

The busloads of interstate activists expected to descend on Sydney are also told how to evade public transport fares, including forcing their way through railway station ticket barriers. Mr Howard yesterday acknowledged the threats of violence and the response of intrusive security precautions in Sydney's CBD.  But he said if violence occurred people should not blame him or Mr Bush.

"Don't blame the police, don't blame the NSW Government, don't blame any of our (heads of government) guests, don't blame the Federal Government," he said.

"Blame the people who threaten violence."

Mr Howard said the APEC summit was an opportunity, despite the expected clashes, to present a positive image of Australia.
He said the nation's largest city, "undeniably the most beautiful big city in the world", would be seen as as a modern, sophisticated, tolerant, multi-racial society. Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd said violence would be unacceptable and backed a zero-tolerance policy by police towards protests who were not peaceful.

"I would appeal to anyone who is thinking of protesting out there to protest in peaceful terms only," he said.

Police were yesterday viewing anyone who photographed or filmed the fence with suspicion. As well as detaining the tourists, they also forced a Melbourne documentary maker out of the declared zone and arrested a homeless man with a mobile phone camera. (Just a comment there....I AM F**king angry at this! What is going on!? Is this not Australia or is it Russia, China!?)

The Stop Bush Coalition, the umbrella protest group, has claimed its demonstrations will be peaceful.

However it is only taking responsibility for protests on Tuesday evening for Mr Bush's arrival and the main march on Saturday.

[Puzzled]

  I have a question.

      The results for the Texas Straw poll was Hunter first, Fred Thompson second and our candidate Ron Paul in third. Are we still able to keep going and move forward?

   His speech was live on we the people radio network and i don't know how anyone could not have voted for him. It was excellent. He is the only true patriot despite alot of people not being awake and informed.

   What happens now in all of this?

[Sees Things]

"they" -the people in charge, have begged for this to happen with all their secretive meetings, now "they" think theyre cute using it as justifications
for using excessive force against the people who they obviously do NOT represent. these so called "leaders" do not have the right to operate secretly
and should be removed from the "positions of power" immediately for it.
I'm not condoning the violence of the protestors, but do not condone the display of FORCE against the people for "them" to HAVE secretive meetings.
it is fascistic and dictatorial, if the people rise up against them it is deserved.

BUSH, should have been jailed upon returning from the SPP meeting in Canada.

[collin]

If a President does not believe in equality, freedom and justice his Office is not served in the conditional sense. The power a President has should not be overtly obstructed by any other individual or institution. If a Ron Paul President were to happen what guarantees could he give the people that their hopes for themselves and America would withstand the powerful individuals and institutions that be?

[Sees Things]

think about that collin, you just advocated dictatorship

[echoes]

When you see the symbols used in a more formal setting, like on your state buildings I would pay more attention.

exactly.

[dxguy]

by Maccabee
Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 03:50:24 PM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/1/183018/1527

I have a friend who is an LSO on a carrier attack group that is planning and staging a strike group deployment into the Gulf of Hormuz. (LSO: Landing Signal Officer- she directs carrier aircraft while landing) She told me we are going to attack Iran. She said that all the Air Operation Planning and Asset Tasking are finished. That means that all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth.
I asked her why she is telling me this.
Her answer was really amazing.

Maccabee's diary

She started in the Marines and after 8 years her term was up. She had served on a smaller Marine carrier, and found out through a friend knew there was an opening for a junior grade LSO in a training position on a supercarrier. She used the reference and the information and applied for a transfer to the United States Navy. Since she had experience landing F-18Cs and Cobra Gunships, and an unblemished combat record, she was ratcheted into the job, successfully changing from the Marines to the Navy. Her role is still aligned with the Marines since she generally is assigned to liason with the Marine units deploying off her carrier group.
Like most Marines and former Marines, she is largely apolitical. The fact is, most Marines are trigger pullers and most trigger pullers could care less who the President is. They simply want to be the tip of the sword when it comes to defending the country. She voted once in her life and otherwise was always in some forward post on the water during election season.

Something is wrong with the Navy and the Marines in her view. Always ready to go in harms way, Marines rarely ever question unless it’s a matter of tactics or honor. But something seems awry. Junior and senior officers are starting to grumble, roll their eyes in the hallways. The strain of deployments is beginning to hit every jot and tittle of the Marines and it’s beginning to seep into the daily conversation of Marines and Naval officers in command decision.

"I know this will sound crazy coming from a Naval officer", she said. "But we’re all just waiting for this administration to end. Things that happen at the senior officer level seem more and more to happen outside of the purview of XOs and other officers who typically have a say-so in daily combat and flight operations. Today, orders just come down from the mountaintop and there’s no questioning. In fact, there is no discussing it. I have seen more than one senior commander disappear and then three weeks later we find out that he has been replaced. That’s really weird. It’s also really weird because everyone who has disappeared has questioned whether or not we should be staging a massive attack on Iran."

"We’re not stupid. Most of the members of the fleet read well enough to know what is going on world-wise. We also realize that anyone who has any doubts is in danger of having a long military career yanked out from under them. Keep in mind that most of the people I serve with are happy to be a part of the global war on terror. It’s just that the touch points are what we see since we are the ones out here who are supposedly implementing this grand strategy. But when you liason with administration officials who don’t know that Iranians don’t speak Arabic and have no idea what Iranians live like, then you start having second thoughts about whether these Administration officials are even competent."

I asked her about the attack, how limited and so forth.

"I don’t think it’s limited at all. We are shipping in and assigning every damn Tomahawk we have in inventory. I think this is going to be massive and sudden, like thousands of targets. I believe that no American will know when it happens until after it happens. And whatever the consequences, whatever the consequences, they will have to be lived with. I am sure if my father knew I was telling someone in a news organization that we were about to launch a supposedly secret attack that it would be treason. But something inside me tells me to tell it anyway."

I asked her why she was suddenly so cynical.

"I have become cynical only recently. I also don’t believe anyone will be able to stop this. Bush has become something of an Emperor. He will give the command, and cruise missiles will fly and aircraft will fly and people will die, and yet few of us here are really able to cobble together a great explanation of why this is a good idea. Of course many of us can give you the 4H Club lecture on democracy in the Mid East. But if you asked any of the flight officers whether they have a clear idea of what the goal of this strike is, your answer would sound like something out of a think tank policy paper. But it’s not like Kosovo or when we relieved the tsunami victims. There everyone could tell you in a sentence what we were here doing."

"That’s what’s missing. A real sense of purpose. What’s missing is the answer to what the hell are we doing out here threatening this country with all this power? Last night in the galley, an ensign asked what right do we have to tell a sovereign nation that they can’t build a nuke. I mean the table got EF Hutton quiet. Not so much because the man was asking a question that was off culture. But that he was asking a good question. In fact, the discussion actually followed afterwards topside where someone in our group had to smoke a cigarette. The discussion was intelligent but also in lowered voices. It’s like we aren’t allowed to ask the questions that we always ask before combat. It’s almost as if the average seaman or soldier is doing all the policy work."

She had to hang up. She left by telling me that she believes the attack is a done deal. "It’s only a matter of time before their orders come and they will be sent to station and told to go to Red Alert. She said they were already practicing traps, FARP and FAST." (Trapping is the act of catching the tension wires when landing on the carrier, FARP is Fleet Air Combat Maneuvering Readiness Program- practice dogfighting- and FAST is Fleet Air Superiority Training).

She seemed lost. The first time in my life I have ever heard her sound off rhythm, or unsure of why she is doing something. She knows that there is something rotten in the Naval Command and she, like many of her associates are just hoping that the election brings in someone new, some new situation, or something.

"Yes. We're gong to hit Iran, bigtime. Whatever political discussion that are going in is window dressing and perhaps even a red herring. I see what's going on below deck here in the hangars and weapons bays. And I have a sick feeling about how it's all going to turn out."

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[Optimus]

I would not dismiss the symbolism in movies as being nothing more than for cosmetic or just for entertainment. That's like calling the Bohemian Grove Club just a bunch of frat boys getting together just for fun. After all, there was some people in the Holywood scene that's been to the grove, like that scum-sucker Arnold Schwartzenegger. So there are people in the film industry that do know whats going on. Some of the filmakers may be putting these symbols in their films to subtly warn the masses of things to come while others that support the NWO agenda do it to torment us that know whats happening in the world. I, myself have seen movies with fictional plots that reality has caught up to down the road.

Remember H.G. Well's 'Metropolis' movie made in the 1920's?
I only just seen it a few weeks ago and seemed very foretelling of the future ( like now!). It featured two classes of people, an elite class and a slave class which is coming to be a reality nowadays. It even had a vision of sacrificing people to Moloch, as the elite do in efigy at the Bohemian Club today.

[Octavian]

While i don't care for the dailykos, i work in the defense industry which provides alot of weaponry in which the carriers, aircraft and those bombs or missiles in which they will use and i can say for certain for months we have hounded by the DOD on our weapon load numbers. Not only that i was in the Arizona boneyard picking up some equipment which we had in storage there and while i was there for two days i thought i would look around the yard to waste some time and look at the old aircraft. Well, while i was there i saw that they were restoring 30 B1 bombers and this was about 3-4 months ago and they had them up and going within 30days and i was told they were forwarded to the gulf. I reconfirmed this with brother which is in the Navy and is an Aircraft mechanic and he confirmed it. Not only that the B2 bombers are being retrofitted to carry something of special payloads.

Its coming its just a matter of when, there is so much firepower including the US has 2 wings of French fighters (French officers participating in war games - French aren't part of NATO) on board two of our carriers in the gulf.

Also anyone noticed the branches of service in which surrounds this president?

[Infowarrior]

I said it in 2002, I will say it now, and I'll say it AGAIN until the day I die - the US is NOT the world's police force.  It WILL be our undoing.  Mark my words.

My hope is that officers will recognize right from wrong and refuse to follow orders they know are unethical.

[whitelocust]

fat chance. of course there are always good soldiers. and there are always lap dogs. a good friend of mine who served in iraq told me he refused to participate in "knock out contests". they would raid a neighborhood, take all the iraqi men and line them up on their knees. then the soldiers would walk down the line, punching them in the forehead, to see who could knock out the most men. sickening, just sickening. the friend of mine never got into any trouble for refusing, but he was often made fun of for being "soft" and so on. no, i'm afraid that good honest people will still kill for the wrong reasons, simply because of training.

[Infowarrior]

I guess it's a different view I have than most people, but I just have a "gut" feeling that everything that is supposed to be happening, is.  I look at the world like a play.  I can't control other actors, but I know my part.  It's all happening just the way it's supposed to be.  There's a lot of comfort in that.

While we can't change the world, we can change the way WE see things, the way WE react to situations.  If enough people were willing to take a stand against what they KNOW is wrong, situations like an attack on Iran would be avoidable.  If not, well... either way, we must bear the fruits of our actions, right?

[Optimus]

"I don’t think it’s limited at all. We are shipping in and assigning every damn Tomahawk we have in inventory. I think this is going to be massive and sudden, like thousands of targets. I believe that no American will know when it happens until after it happens. And whatever the consequences, whatever the consequences, they will have to be lived with. I am sure if my father knew I was telling someone in a news organization that we were about to launch a supposedly secret attack that it would be treason. But something inside me tells me to tell it anyway."

She's right. They have planed a massive and sudden attack against Iran when this illegitimate bush administration decides to strike.

Pentagon plan: Annihilate Tehran's military in 3 days
No 'pinprick strikes' – 1,200 targets ID'd for massive attack on nuke sites
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57435

[The Constitutionalist]

We need to combine these two thread.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg17431;topicseen#msg17431

[JTCoyoté]

A Ron Paul presidency would re-institute the traditional constitutional checks and balances which include placing more responsibility in the hands the people for their own government.  Remember the phrase "government of the people, for the people, by the people"...?

Sees Things is correct in his assessment of Collins post. 

A Ron Paul presidency would be very much akin to the Andrew Jackson presidency, a constitutional currency would be re-instituted, unconstitutional laws would be repealed and expunged ... all it would take is a ground-swell of popular support to get the globalist RATS, running into light from the shadows. 

If you were to do a census count of the globalists, their stooges, and their minions, you would find that the total count would be less than the population of Vail Colorado, about 20,000 people ... and a good portion of the elitist scum are probably there vacationing right now...

Those who believe that government should take care of them, those who believe that we must tax to give government the means to protect us, are kissing cousins to those who believe unconstitutional laws that remove rights from law-abiding citizens are necessary in order to protect us from this week's bad guy ... they all are the ones who are seeking dictatorship! You will find them on both sides of the useless European left/right paradigm.



Here's what L.A. Times had to say about the Texas Straw Poll... 

--Oldyoti

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

[JTCoyoté]

We need to combine these two thread.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4259.msg17431;topicseen#msg17431

This topic is of interest today... Alex will hit on it no-doubt... if the link you posted was here on this board there would be no problem... the posts are of the identical article which are topical in either case and can run in both places, ...

--Oldyoti

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

[ajax]

What are the chances of the next false-flag attack taking place in NYC on 9/11/07? It would hurt our truth movement as well as give GWB a chance to begin martial law. The put options end on 9/21/07. It seems like something should happen before then.

[The Constitutionalist]

the posts are of the identical article which are topical in either case and can run in both places, ...

Right, because we wouldn't want a complete discussion in one spot where people can see/share their views without them being lost in one thread or the other.  Better to have someone hunting down a topic than actually posting in one.

Makes sense.

[The Constitutionalist]

[sarcasm]But Mexico are our closest friends.  We need them to complete the NAU.  They are doing everything in their power to ensure that the border is protected from their side.  If it does happen it will be because we acted against the illegal amnesty bill.[/sarcasm]

[OWN-the-NWO]

lol @ that website,  aztlan is the claim laid that the whole south west US belongs to the mexicans.  May be they need a little refresher on history.  There was this little thing called the mexican american war.  GUESS WHO WON!  No I agree in premise to reaching out to the people of mexico and befriending those who want to topple the criminal oligarchy that runs their nations just as the criminal oligarchy that runs our nation.  But those who are pushing the agenda of aztlan are clearly satellite arms of the NWO op for the NAU.

[OWN-the-NWO]

AJ, I thought I'd just mention that the LC crew has made the NORAD tapes available on the web so everyone can glean through them.

http://www.loosechange911.com/download/NORAD/NORAD.torrent

[cabaretvolterror]

unapologetic BUMP

[Phantom]

Because he is an idiot.

[NateTruth]

OEM mailed everyone in New York OEM hurricane evacuation form.  It's a nice BIG fold out with a map of flooding danger zone and shelter location.  First off, how often does New York Have Hurricane problems?   I'll scan it and put it up tomorrow to see.