I smoke Marijuana.................................

[Livefreeordie]

Where did I say the government created marijuana?  I said the government created the DRUG CULTURE.  They promoted it from the beginning, and you can be sure there was good reason for it.  They would rather have people stoned and apathetic than clear-headed and engaged in the world they live in.

Huh? 

It sounded like you were talking about the Government when you said Establishment. 

Who is the establishment you are talking about?

LOL, it's not like I'm in the spirit world when I smoke, I know what the heck is going on around me, I'm clear-headed and engaged in the world, geez dude, don't make marijuana out to be this super powerful acid trip. 

[thrashbassist]

Where did I say the government created marijuana?  I said the government created the DRUG CULTURE.  They promoted it from the beginning, and you can be sure there was good reason for it.  They would rather have people stoned and apathetic than clear-headed and engaged in the world they live in.

Looking through history, drug culture, particularly cannabis and opium (though opium = not good) has been a part of society and religion since the dawn of recorded history. No doubt the government has profited from it by secretly sustaining it while publicly oppressing and condemning it. And as far as being clear-headed and non-apathetic, that's not completely true. When most recreational cannabis users have smoked for a while, they can develop a very meditative, reflective high (as is my own experience) in which you often envision things in a different perspective. Many people see that as a type of clarity. After all, it's all in the eye (or mind, as it were) of the beholder. I'm sure the other cannabis users on this forum know what I mean and agree with me. While I don't smoke pot very often, it's an occasional indulgence of mine (no shame in admitting that).

Like anything else, we should try and avoid stereotypes about cannabis use (and those who use it).

EDIT: Also, there are many cannabis users out there who are in no way involved in the counterculture surrounding it.

[Byrne0ut]

I used to smoke weed, but then i started getting really paranoid.  I enjoyed it for a while and don't think it should be illegal if you want to indulge be my guest, its just not for me. 

[rustygunn]

Weed + Rusty...not a good mix.  It always led me to other drugs.  I still hang with people that do partake...I just pass, no big deal.  Clean and sober for ~15 years and I still rock out in the clubs a couple times a month.  I will say this...it feels great driving home from a gig sober and not get paranoid whenever I see the flashing lights!

[Livefreeordie]

Weed + Rusty...not a good mix.  It always led me to other drugs.  I still hang with people that do partake...I just pass, no big deal.  Clean and sober for ~15 years and I still rock out in the clubs a couple times a month.  I will say this...it feels great driving home from a gig sober and not get paranoid whenever I see the flashing lights!

You get paranoid because that is the way the Government wants it. If it was legal you probably wouldn't feel so paranoid.

Marijuana never led me to other drugs, Alcohol did, but everyone is different I guess, but that is the excuse the Government uses to keep Marijuana illegal................"it leads to other drugs", I couldn't disagree more. Most people that smoke Marijuana and JUST Marijuana never use any other drug, but people that drink Alcohol and go to the bars know that there is cocaine in the bathroom. That is another stereotype the Government likes pushing on us, "it leads to other drugs", I say HOGWASH, Alcohol leads to other drugs, I know from experience, trust me. But, like I said, everyone is different, some people react differently but Marijuana NEVER lead me to stronger drugs, Alcohol ALWAYS lead me to stronger drugs, yet, Alcohol is legal.......................go figure. 

Anyways, I'm a very glad you are sober these days, I'm not trying to push Marijuana on anyone, just pleading a case why the Government  is full of horse manure when they say Marijuana is illegal, God says other wise, but trust me on this, if Marijuana was legal, I guarantee you wouldn't feel so paranoid using it, that's just the Government playing mind games with you, Marijuana is far LESS dangerous than Alcohol is, Statistics prove it and I'm a living witness to it too, I know what Alcohol can do to a person or "other drugs" other than Mari J. And if you're looking for harder drugs, you'll find that stuff in the bars where the Alcohol is. 

Ya, I hate Alcohol, I've never seen anyone get crazy or out of control smoking a joint..............but Alcohol, forget it, that garbage is of the Debil! 

[GoingEtheric]

God also made salt-peter and uranium. Cocaine is also "natural."

I'm not illusioned. I know full-well Jesus doesn't want me smoking. But I Do

[Livefreeordie]

God also made salt-peter and uranium. Cocaine is also "natural."

I'm not illusioned. I know full-well Jesus doesn't want me smoking. But I Do

Cocaine is NOT natural, the plant may be but not the drug, it is man made. It is processed. Same thing with Heroin or Alcohol or any other kind of drug, Marijuana is not, straight off the plant, nice try though.   

Can you show me where Jesus said He doesn't want you smoking? I need literal proof, not some Verse you want to interpret your OWN way please?

Matthew 15:
15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. ~ Jesus Christ


Hope this helps

[Sub-X]

Hey don't blame weed for your short comings,weed doesn't make you do anything,you do,but god forbid anybody would take responsibility for their own actions,if you did other drugs it wasn't the Tommy Chong weed fairy that made you,you wanted to,so you did,its called free will,that was your choice.

[Livefreeordie]

Hey don't blame weed for your short comings,weed doesn't make you do anything,you do,but god forbid anybody would take responsibility for their own actions,if you did other drugs it wasn't the Tommy Chong weed fairy that made you,you wanted to,so you did,its called free will,that was your choice.

Ya, it's not the Bud that made you go for that line of Cocaine, it was YOU!

Well said, Sub!

[GoingEtheric]

Cocaine is NOT natural, the plant may be but not the drug, it is man made. It is processed. Same thing with Heroin or Alcohol or any other kind of drug, Marijuana is not, straight off the plant, nice try though.   

Can you show me where Jesus said He doesn't want you smoking? I need literal proof, not some Verse you want to interpret your OWN way please?
Hope this helps

As for Uranium? But coke is natural, the molecule responsible is naturally occurring; it is not changed CHEMICALLY during refinement. Botulinum toxin is also natural, and the black plague wasn't exactly cooked up in a lab. I smoke weed, I'm just saying there's things in nature better left untouched.

The Bible is clearly against being a drunkard, and does say something to the effect of "don't be drunk when Jesus returns." Does it have to list every drug? It also says not to sleep with your neighbor's wife, must it list every position?

[Livefreeordie]

As for Uranium? But coke is natural, the molecule responsible is naturally occurring; it is not changed CHEMICALLY during refinement. Botulinum toxin is also natural, and the black plague wasn't exactly cooked up in a lab. I smoke weed, I'm just saying there's things in nature better left untouched.

The Bible is clearly against being a drunkard, and does say something to the effect of "don't be drunk when Jesus returns." Does it have to list every drug? It also says not to sleep with your neighbor's wife, must it list every position?

1) Uranium has nothing to do with this topic. Did God talk about Uranium in the Bible, I know He talked about Marijuana. This is a non issue as far as I'm concerned, plus, Uranium is mixed with something to give it it's purpose, correct? Therefore it is man made, processed. Again, you're not being logical here.

BTW, isn't Uranium used for making bombs or ammunition and killing people?  What does that have to do with kicking back and smoking a joint in peace with friends? 

2) Cocaine is not Chemically changed during process?  Again, how do you get it to powder and why do they put other additives in there before it is shipped out? When it is sold on the streets, it is powder or rock, a MAN MADE process, with additives mixed with it, you know, other chemicals. The plant itself is natural, so is Poppy plants for heroin, but it goes through a process before being shipped out, hence, MAN MADE.

3) Drunkard? I'm not talking about Alcohol here, I'm talking about an Herb that God said is good for mankind as meat, meaning food. Are you going to use Cocaine or heroin for food? I'm not saying we should ABUSE marijuana use, that would be Idolatry; but for moderation use God said "it was good." Actually, he didn't say use Marijuana for moderation use, He said.................

Genesis 1:
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Do you have to list every drug? Yes, you do. God was clearly talking about being a drunkard, what does Alcohol have to do with an Herb baring seed? Guess I'll still be waiting for the Verses that specifically talk about that Herb barring seed, you know, Marijuana. 

I never heard Jesus say, don't smoke too much Pot, it's a Sin, no, He said............

Matthew 15:
15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. ~ Jesus Christ


And one more thing, everything that God has made is VERY GOOD, God was not talking about these man made processes you're talking about. Men are deceitful and desperately wicked. Uranium (used for the purpose of killing people), Cocaine and Alcohol are man made and are vile and wicked.

Jeremiah 17:
17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

 

[limitgov]

This is my MySpace page. Feel free to go through the pictures, pictures of my art, my videos, my songs and recordings and realize that what is on there is a SMALL FRACTION of what I have done creatively

You sure do use the term "creatively" very loosely.

[GoingEtheric]

1) Uranium has nothing to do with this topic. Did God talk about Uranium in the Bible, I know He talked about Marijuana. This is a non issue as far as I'm concerned, plus, Uranium is mixed with something to give it it's purpose, correct? Therefore it is man made, processed. Again, you're not being logical here.

BTW, isn't Uranium used for making bombs or ammunition and killing people?  What does that have to do with kicking back and smoking a joint in peace with friends? 

2) Cocaine is not Chemically changed during process?  Again, how do you get it to powder and why do they put other additives in there before it is shipped out? When it is sold on the streets, it is powder or rock, a MAN MADE process, with additives mixed with it, you know, other chemicals. The plant itself is natural, so is Poppy plants for heroin, but it goes through a process before being shipped out, hence, MAN MADE.

3) Drunkard? I'm not talking about Alcohol here, I'm talking about an Herb that God said is good for mankind as meat, meaning food. Are you going to use Cocaine or heroin for food? I'm not saying we should ABUSE marijuana use, that would be Idolatry; but for moderation use God said "it was good." Actually, he didn't say use Marijuana for moderation use, He said.................

Genesis 1:
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Do you have to list every drug? Yes, you do. God was clearly talking about being a drunkard, what does Alcohol have to do with an Herb baring seed? Guess I'll still be waiting for the Verses that specifically talk about that Herb barring seed, you know, Marijuana. 

I never heard Jesus say, don't smoke too much Pot, it's a Sin, no, He said............

Matthew 15:
15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. ~ Jesus Christ

 

A..uranium is purified, not mixed
B..I mention it to negate the "it's from nature logic"
C..coke is merely purified. Natives, unknowing of the process to make cocaine, chewed on the leaves instead
D..I already discussed the "bible shouldn't have to mention every little thing" aspect
E..You KNOW marijuana is spoke of? The book of Mary Jane I supposed?
F.."Herb" is just OUR slang bro. "The Most high God" means the "lord over all spirits", not a red-eyed Jehovah.
G..I'm high, and with my attention span on its knees, I've lost interest in this debate

[Livefreeordie]

A..uranium is purified, not mixed
B..I mention it to negate the "it's from nature logic"
C..coke is merely purified. Natives, unknowing of the process to make cocaine, chewed on the leaves instead
D..I already discussed the "bible shouldn't have to mention every little thing" aspect
E..You KNOW marijuana is spoke of? The book of Mary Jane I supposed?
F.."Herb" is just OUR slang bro. "The Most high God" means the "lord over all spirits", not a red-eyed Jehovah.
G..I'm high, and with my attention span on its knees, I've lost interest in this debate

A) Dude, it's still man made, please, enough with the Uranium. What is Uranium used for, good or evil? Purified is still processed. Does Marijuana have to be purified before use? I thought so. 
B) Okay then.
C) LOL, Again, Cocaine is a MAN MADE process, enough already! 
D) That still didn't answer my question, I'm looking for specific Verses that talk about NOT smoking Pot. Good Luck.
E) Okay then, whatever. 
F) Ah, maybe in your interpretation, not mine. Please don't pull the old "I'm holier than thou garbage." I gave you a verse that Jesus said what goes into the mouth does not defile a man, maybe you missed that one? 
G) That's because you've come to your senses and realized that you need to just stop, you're not helping your case. 

[Pressed_Rat]

For the record, uranium is not manmade.

[dogmadestroyer]

Nice straw man on the uranium people...

Cocaine when chewed as leaves doesn't really do much but dialate the blood vessels and act as a mild stimulant. It was used to allow Inca messengers to run through the high peaks of the Andes with less oxygen in the air. People still chew it in South America much like people chew tobacco here. Its not that deadly white powder or rocks of crack.

You could keep going with poisonous plants and fungi if you wanted. Obviously hemlock does exist as well as poison berries and mushrooms. However, weed and magic mushrooms have never killed anyone because of their extreme low toxicity.

 Bill Hicks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQq9cmMGSQc&feature=related

[dogmadestroyer]

Hmm posted the wrong Bill Hicks vid but that's good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvEZ-4lmr8

[Livefreeordie]

Nice straw man on the uranium people...

ROTFLOL!!!!

Exactly, I know Uranium, in and of itself is not processed, but what is it used for and where do they make it? Oh, that's right, in factories or science labs if you will. 

Still, you're right dogma, a straw man indeed. 

Hmm posted the wrong Bill Hicks vid but that's good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvEZ-4lmr8

Too funny!!!!

[point]

This guy explains it better the history of 'why' its illegal.  Alcohol was also illegal at one time, now we have Bud Light and Nascar, ntm, the casino businesses.  All which came from bootlegging moonshine.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

Watch American Gangster or talk to someone from Vietnam who can tell you stories.  Its illegal because its a business controlled on 2 sides of the coin by the same ppl.  They make it then put you in jail for using it. Its all part of the process of controlling ppl with ignorance.
Most of the ppl we gawk at on tv smoke pot, others alot more.  Celebrities have 'total access' to anything they want and how many do we hear about on cocaine and heroin?  Pot is not the issue, the synthetic drugs are.  From cocaine, to prozack, to even alcohol or a McCheeseHeartAttack.  Dependency on synthetic anything is wrong for you.  Regardless of spiritual feelings on it.

If smoking pot is for you, great.  Its alot less harmful than the crap we have been feed for this last generation or so.  I wish we could make passing idiot laws illegal.

[epinlasvegas]

This thread will go on forever.Heres the bottom line for me.People that are against the NWO come down to 2 categories 1-those that believe this is really a WAR and 2-those that think they are being rebellious and are basically luke warm ,and make no difference.I believe pot heads fall in this categories.How can you resist the NWO when your stoned.You are also inviting an arrest which will discredit you as a "pothead" I believe Willie Nelson and all the others that came out against 911 would have been taken much more seriously if not for their drug use.I spent 20 years trying to escape reality with drugs and alcohol all i ended up with was being a lot older and nothing had changed .As for me if i am called to fire the next "shot heard round the world" I intend to be at my very best,Physically and mentally.

[Sub-X]

You are also inviting an arrest which will discredit you as a "pothead" I believe Willie Nelson and all the others that came out against 911 would have been taken much more seriously if not for their drug use.

Nope Alex Jones doesn't smoke weed,is he taken anymore seriously ,no he is not.So this point proves nothing only that your prejudices against people that smoke weed,we have a saying here"there is none purer than a reformed hoor",again you blame weed for your short comings,thats kind of convenient.You sat on your arse drank and smoked weed and watched time go by,and thats weeds fault

[mtngirl1013]

Well Live Free, I'm glad we found a topic we can agree on. 
I don't smoke any more but I used to. For years I had very bad depression, sometimes to the point of being suicidal. Weed was the only thing that helped (we won't even get into my horrific experiences on SSRIs...). I mean I could be in a suicidal black hole and take a couple of bong hits and then I could once again feel productive and see the beauty in the world again.
  A few years ago I started eating healthier, shopping at the health food store and not eating the processed foods with neurotoxins in them. My depression lifted and I found that I no longer needed to smoke, and I don't. However I agree that it is a god-given plant and should be legal. I think it is ridiculous to make a plant illegal.
  I also agree with the poster who talked about how the drug culture was created. That is true. They especially wanted to get everyone taking LSD as a giant mind control experiment. But that does not mean there is not some validity to the usefulness of cannabis.   
  Everything in moderation! And like any other drug, natural or man-made, it effects each person differently, which is why some people love it and some people hate it. Have you ever noticed in pharma ads, they give you a list of side-effects which you may or may not experience, yet when they talk about illegal drugs they make it sound like everyone will react the exact same way? When I was younger, I tried coke and ecxtasy a couple of times. For some reason, I do not feel either of those drugs. Maybe I am missing some receptor in my brain? Yet thousands of people are addicted. We are all built differently and benefit from different things. I need coffee in the morning, yet my husband bounds out of bed with energy for the day. And he still smokes weed, btw. And like other posters have stated, I know many successful and intelligent people that smoke weed.
  OK so I'm rambling a bit here. I guess my point is, there is a lot of grey area with this issue. But people argue like its black and white. Its like arguing about religion- people generally have their minds made up and are not likely to be swayed in one direction or the other. So no matter how much we say there is value to cannabis there will be folks who refuse to believe that.  But it is interesting to see where folks stand on this issue.
  I hope  we can all agree at the least that the drug war has got to end.

[dogmadestroyer]

This thread will go on forever.Heres the bottom line for me.People that are against the NWO come down to 2 categories 1-those that believe this is really a WAR and 2-those that think they are being rebellious and are basically luke warm ,and make no difference.I believe pot heads fall in this categories.How can you resist the NWO when your stoned.You are also inviting an arrest which will discredit you as a "pothead" I believe Willie Nelson and all the others that came out against 911 would have been taken much more seriously if not for their drug use.I spent 20 years trying to escape reality with drugs and alcohol all i ended up with was being a lot older and nothing had changed .As for me if i am called to fire the next "shot heard round the world" I intend to be at my very best,Physically and mentally.

You're absolutely full of shit. You don't seem so adept at plainting with a thick brush because you don't know how much activism I have been involved in. Your problem seems to be that it was recreational and you were using it to "escape". I'm not looking for a crutch or to escape anything. If you can't separate what I do with my own time and your own personal problems then I think you need to go and reexamine that.

Oh and as a side note, "fighing the NWO when you're stoned" is exactly what could bring all of this crashing down. Honestly, do you think pot smokers generally get worked up and fearful like the media would have them? I don't think so. That's a very idealist outlook on my part but still food for thought.

[epinlasvegas]

You're absolutely full of shit. You don't seem so adept at plainting with a thick brush because you don't know how much activism I have been involved in. Your problem seems to be that it was recreational and you were using it to "escape". I'm not looking for a crutch or to escape anything. If you can't separate what I do with my own time and your own personal problems then I think you need to go and reexamine that.

Oh and as a side note, "fighing the NWO when you're stoned" is exactly what could bring all of this crashing down. Honestly, do you think pot smokers generally get worked up and fearful like the media would have them? I don't think so. That's a very idealist outlook on my part but still food for thought.

OK I'm full of shit! The opinion of a pothead means nothing to me.As for my problem of using it recreationaly? Does that mean i should be using it while training? Maybe expanding my mind would help me clear a doublefeed quicker,or enhance my ability to engage multiple targets? I also assume you think the NWO does not kick down doors and arrest people on their "own time".I'm done with this topic so burn another one and tell me how full of shit and closed minded i am,like i said your opinion means ZERO.

[dr4gon]

Good for you if you smoke. Kudos!

Ive done some thinking while reading the comments posted in this thread, and i dont know if im convinced either way. Ive come to the conclusion that at the end of the day i should just say what I feel, rather than be biased one way or another... so here i go

I have many vices, drink...tobacco...sex. I did the MJ thing when i was a teen, it never really did much for me though. First time i drank i knew it was my drug of choice....So why should i care if people smoke pot? The answer is i dont. Do what you want, because at the end of the day the individual is responsible for wherever it takes them. I mean thats what we are fighting for right, individual rights?

Post threads about your habits? Yeah, fine. Ive been called 'grasshopper' before because i havn't smoked alot of weed. At the time i felt like it was something wrong with me.."what did these guys know that i didnt?"

What ive learned is that it means nothing. There is no hidden wisdom to any of this shit. Smoke pot,  pop pills, drink alcohol, shoot up... When all is said and done where does it take us...to the top? I honestly dont know.

Each to their own i guess. I watched a beer ad tonight and it showed a bunch of middle age dropkicks playing golf. One guy was about to hit out of the rough when his mate said "hey, you cant do that, you havn't finished your gold! (being the name of the beer)" ...laughs all round from him and his mates.... But i didn't find it funny, it was depressing. Is that what im going to become? Some deadshit playing a round of golf, excited that i have a golf ball sitting atop my precious beer?

Ok so ive gone a little off topic, but i guess what im trying to say is that we each have our own vice, live and let live.

[winstonsmith]

I believe pot heads fall in this categories

What??
Is it "this category" or "these categories"?
Yeah, you're right. You should stay away from the weed.

[White Rose Sophie]

It's okay Grasshopper, you keep believing that! One day the truth will hit you right between the eyes. Then we'll hand you a blunt and all will be right with the world!


The problem is not the weed, any problems that arise is with the user. Its not the product thats dangerous, its the person.

I disagree.  And while I certainly did 'inhale' in my youth, the "pot" of today is NOT the pot of yesteryear.  Ever heard of "wet" or "dank" weed?  It's laced with formaldehyde (sp?) and will mess you up  PERMANENTLY.
I know, my niece's brain is fried now, and it's not pretty.  While I agree there are known positive benefits of cannabis, the reality is that you don't KNOW what might be in the weed you're smoking.  Unless you happen to grow it yourself, or know the grower. 

[Kilika]

I plead the 5th. 

[Livefreeordie]

I disagree.  And while I certainly did 'inhale' in my youth, the "pot" of today is NOT the pot of yesteryear.  Ever heard of "wet" or "dank" weed?  It's laced with formaldehyde (sp?) and will mess you up  PERMANENTLY.
I know, my niece's brain is fried now, and it's not pretty.  While I agree there are known positive benefits of cannabis, the reality is that you don't KNOW what might be in the weed you're smoking.  Unless you happen to grow it yourself, or know the grower. 

This is true, all the more reason for it to be legal so we can grow it ourselves. 

I know where my Bud comes from and it is all 100% natural, no additives, chemicals....ect, can't really blame the plant itself, that's just man adding to it and corrupting the bud itself, that would be processing it, something I am totally against.

It's time the Government stops meddling in our affairs and let us partake and GROW God's given plant if we choose so, that way we know what is being put in it and what we are consuming. 

The Government is lacing us with just about everything under the sun these days, food, water, prescription pills, Chem trails, drugs that they are trafficking in and on and on it goes, it is them that are corrupting us, not the plant itself. 

Great post Grneyelady, couldn't agree with you more. Sorry to hear about your Niece.

Anyone ready for a trip to Amsterdam? 

Again................

Washington................YOU'RE FIRED!!! 

[dogmadestroyer]

OK I'm full of shit! The opinion of a pothead means nothing to me.As for my problem of using it recreationaly? Does that mean i should be using it while training? Maybe expanding my mind would help me clear a doublefeed quicker,or enhance my ability to engage multiple targets? I also assume you think the NWO does not kick down doors and arrest people on their "own time".I'm done with this topic so burn another one and tell me how full of shit and closed minded i am,like i said your opinion means ZERO.

Ah yeah, my opinion means nothing because you assume I'm a pothead. Suppose I am, its quite amazing that it would make me less of a patriot. Its this kind of binary bunch of ASSumptions that gets you nowhere. Why don't you take a good look into your own personal problems?

On dank weed. I'll agree. You have to know that its organically grown and pure. I've met some of those people before.. sorry to hear about your neice.

A trip to Amsterdam? Sure! I don't like the fact the town is a theme park though. How about Christiania in Copenhagen? Its a more chilled out atmosphere, there is plenty of beautiful artwork and its an inspirational story behind the autonomous region of the city. I think anyone on this forum can appreciate it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania Unfortunately its now a shadow of what it once was now that Denmark is cracking down on what had been a pretty free society.

[GoingEtheric]

So.....uhh...this thread went sour

[Livefreeordie]

So.....uhh...this thread went sour

Sour? I don't think so.

The whole point of this thread was the Government really has no basis to prohibit this plant, none whatsoever, that's the only point I was trying to make. Considering there is a far more dangerous drug legal in this Country, Alcohol, this discussion shouldn't even have to take place, POT should be legal and ONLY used in moderation, not abuse and anybody should be able to grow their own plants if they choose to do so.

I knew some would get offended by this thread and I'm pretty much done with it, I just wanted to get everyone elses opinion on the matter, I appreciate the responses, I don't think it went sour, just people giving their opinions, I mean that's what this forum is.....a place to discuss.

[GoingEtheric]

you have my sympathies, legalize it. I'm tired of sneaking around. But they'll never do it, you know.   

[Livefreeordie]

you have my sympathies, legalize it. I'm tired of sneaking around. But they'll never do it, you know.   

Yup, you're right and going to prison over a God given plant is joke. 

[Optimus]

and I'm a Christian and proud of it, because this God given Herb was created by God for man for meat, meaning FOOD! Now, I don't give a flock of seagulls what our Government says, I care what God has to say, because HIS Law comes before any law of this land, period!

I'm not ashamed to admit that I smoke weed and call myself a Christian because I know that God has created Marijuana for me for meat. I give thanks to Him every time I fire up a fatty and I know, from His word that He appreciates me thanking Him for His creation.

Marijuana is created by God, not man, I can pick a bud right out off the plant and smoke it or make some brownies  , so next time you see one of your Government officials and you are a partaker of this God given Herb make sure you tell them that they have no Authority over telling you that you can't use Marijuana because God's law is higher than man's law. 

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Washington!!!! 

http://www.holyhemp.org/study1.htm

http://www.ebeneezer.net/ritual/vegetable/offsite/bible.htm

http://www.godcreatedmarijuana.org/images/God%20Created%20Marijuana.PDF

I'm not going to debate whether or not it's good for you. But I think you should take Alex's advice and just not use the drugs being smuggled in by the CIA. By doing so, you are making yourself part of the problem by financing the NWO, the so-called "drug war" and their efforts to destroy our country.

http://www.wethepeople.la/drugs1.htm

The reader needs to understand the true breadth of the CIA’s drug operations. Profits from its cocaine, heroin, and marijuana smuggling activities have been estimated at between $10 and $15 billion per year.

[Livefreeordie]

I'm not going to debate whether or not it's good for you. But I think you should take Alex's advice and just not use the drugs being smuggled in by the CIA. By doing so, you are making yourself part of the problem by financing the NWO, the so-called "drug war" and their efforts to destroy our country.

http://www.wethepeople.la/drugs1.htm

Agreed. But the Government doesn't have their hands on ALL the marijuana that is in the Country, the other drugs maybe, but not pot.

[dogmadestroyer]

Agreed. But the Government doesn't have their hands on ALL the marijuana that is in the Country, the other drugs maybe, but not pot.

Exactly, its so easy for people to grow everywhere so very little of it finances the CIA. Most of it funds a basement dweller's frozen pizza budget.  I have no problem with that.

[hellcatjr]

Looking through history, drug culture, particularly cannabis and opium (though opium = not good) has been a part of society and religion since the dawn of recorded history. No doubt the government has profited from it by secretly sustaining it while publicly oppressing and condemning it. And as far as being clear-headed and non-apathetic, that's not completely true. When most recreational cannabis users have smoked for a while, they can develop a very meditative, reflective high (as is my own experience) in which you often envision things in a different perspective. Many people see that as a type of clarity. After all, it's all in the eye (or mind, as it were) of the beholder. I'm sure the other cannabis users on this forum know what I mean and agree with me. While I don't smoke pot very often, it's an occasional indulgence of mine (no shame in admitting that).

Like anything else, we should try and avoid stereotypes about cannabis use (and those who use it).

EDIT: Also, there are many cannabis users out there who are in no way involved in the counterculture surrounding it.

Amen.

[pcc]

nothing wrong with "pot" itself..but buyer beware..lots of "enhancements" can be present..the plant itself has only been villified in recent history..check out the history here..especially the involvement of the "Hearst" family..then just google if you want more..

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/History/hemp_history.html

also, the only real "physical" health risk would be to the lungs..got that covered too..check here..and btw..it works really good

http://www.vaporizergiant.com/smoke_vs_vapor.html

[AnimalFarm]

 This video might explain why the government would like to keep pot illegal
 http://ca.youtube.com/user/chrychek

 I've been experimenting with weed oil for the past two months. I orally ingest a small amount (about the size of a grain of rice) twice a day. My two main health problems are Crohn's disease and arthritis in my neck. The arthritis is virtually non-existent now. My overall health has improved greatly, all thanks to this documentary.