Fluoride Works

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FLUORIDE ‘CAUSES CANCER’13/6/2005

Irish Dentists Opposing Fluoridation (IDOF), a group of over 100 dentists, is demanding an immediate stop to the dosing of all public water supplies with chemical fluoride after a study conducted by the Harvard School of Dental Health found an increased cancer risk in children.[1] The research has already led to the Environmental Working Group, a Washington research organisation, calling for the United States government to list fluoride as a carcinogen.[2] In Ireland all public water supplies have been fluoridated by law since the 1960s and we remain one of the few countries in Europe still adding this chemical to supposedly benefit our teeth.

The disturbing American research shows that boys drinking fluoridated water from the age of five to ten will experience a greater risk of osteosarcoma – bone cancer – when they are older.[3] Another study comparing figures between the Republic of Ireland (fluoridated) and Northern Ireland (unfluoridated) also found a 40% rise in bone cancer levels.[4] In 1996, Northern Ireland refused to begin dosing its drinking water with chemical fluoride when 25 out of 26 councils voted against water fluoridation because of health and safety concerns.

Although osteosarcoma is considered a rare childhood cancer it is one of the most prevalent in young males aged 9-20 and is described by the Boston researcher as a “highly lethal malignant tumour” with an average survival rate of only three years. Most sufferers have limbs amputated.

The fluoride cancer risk reported in yesterday’s Observer confirms growing health concerns about the whole fluoridation process. Last month, IDOF slammed Mary Harney for doing nothing to combat the near epidemic levels of fluoride tooth damage – dental fluorosis – which has seen a seven fold increase in the last twenty years. IDOF also raised the issue of further health damage. Since half of all the fluoride swallowed is stored in the body in hard tissues such as teeth and bones there has always been the question; if fluoride is damaging teeth what is it doing to our bones?

Dr. Don Mac Auley, Chairman of IDOF, commented, “Irish Dentists are seeing fluoride tooth damage every day in our dental practices and as the teeth are the windows of the skeleton we question what this chemical is doing to our patients’ bones. Now we read more evidence that fluoride can cause bone cancer while our health minister plays a delaying game of forums and expert groups. The Forum on Fluoridation concluded three years ago that fluoride levels should be turned down but nothing happened. IDOF no longer wants the fluoride taps turned down we want them turned off. After all, how many cavities do you have to save to justify the death of one young man from osteosarcoma?

DENTISTS SLAM HARNEY OVER FLUORIDE POISONING.
PRESS CONFERENCE, BUSWELLS HOTEL, 12/04/2005 AT 11AM.

Irish Dentists Opposing Fluoridation (IDOF), a group of over 100 dentists, has published an article in The Irish Dentist slamming Minister Harney and the Department of Health for doing nothing to combat the near epidemic levels of dental fluorosis in Irish children.[5] Here, dental fluorosis, fluoride damage to teeth, has sky-rocketed with a seven fold increase from 1984 to 2002 and the Republic of Ireland (artificially fluoridated since 1960s) now has three times more fluorosis than Northern Ireland which still rejects water fluoridation on health and safety grounds.[6]

The figures come from the North/South Oral Health study carried out by the Department of Health in 2002 as part of the Forum on Fluoridation. But when it came to the paper’s launch why did then Minister of Health Micheal Martin not mention such disturbing results in his speech?[7] Why have the authors of the North/South study not reported these worrying fluorosis figures? And most importantly what is being done to combat this dental epidemic? The answers to these questions are a damning indictment of the government and a small number of academics and their endeavours to protect public health policy rather than public health.

Dental fluorosis, seen as white lines and spots on teeth, is caused by swallowing too much fluoride and is “the first readily detectable symptom of past chronic fluoride poisoning”.[8] Since 1960, we have been swallowing uncontrolled and unmonitored levels of fluoride through our tap water.  Especially at risk are bottle-feeding infants who because of their small size are consuming unsafe levels of fluoride in formula feed made up with tap water. The Food Safety Authority of Ireland (FSAI) reviewed this issue and their findings were startling. Their risk assessment concluded that “the precautionary principle should apply and recommends that infant formula should not be reconstituted with fluoridated tap water”.[9] The scientific committee who carried out the research found that bottle-feeding infants were being dosed with unsafe levels of fluoride thus increasing their risk of moderate dental fluorosis.

This was effectively the end of water fluoridation in Ireland. But the Forum on Fluoridation rejected the submission on a technicality and then spent the following months leaning on the FSAI to change their conclusions.[10] They eventually capitulated and the FSAI deflected all responsibility from their decision by declaring “all babies should be breast-fed”.[11] Though they climbed down it appeared they had negotiated a reduction in the levels of fluoride in our tap water. So the Forum recommended turning down fluoride by one quarter.[12]

Dr. Don Mac Auley, Chairman of IDOF, commented, “The Forum was supposed to turn down the fluoride taps but nothing has happened. Minister Martin did nothing; Minister Harney has done nothing meanwhile fluoride poisoning as seen in the damage to our children’s teeth is at near epidemic levels. Why? The simple answer is they are financially and ethically responsible for damaging children’s health.

With new evidence questioning the effectiveness of swallowing fluoride,[13] and more and more children showing signs of fluoride poisoning there is a compensation time-bomb ticking. We believe the government knows this but like the whole nursing home payments debacle they are playing a delaying game. But when are they going to smell the coffee and look at their own figures? How many more children need to be damaged by chemical fluoride before they put an end to the unsafe, unethical and outdated practice of water fluoridation?”

COPIES OF “THE IRISH DENTIST” ARTICLE WILL BE AVAILABLE ON REQUEST AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

Dr. Don Mac Auley

Surgery 046 9021203

Home 046 9054340


I.D.O.F. POLICY ON WATER FLUORIDATION

Most dentists would refuse to prescribe for a patient s/he has never met, whose medical history s/he does not know, a substance which is intended to create bodily change; with the advice, take as much as you like but you will take it for the rest of your life, because some children have tooth decay. This is the water fluoridation ethos.

Irish Dentists Opposing Fluoridation is a support group for fellow dental professionals who wish to express their opposition to the practice of mass medicating our drinking water with fluoride.

Our primary aim is to highlight the undemocratic, unethical and unsafe nature of fluoridation in Ireland. As dentists, we have to lead the way in reducing the public’s exposure to this toxic chemical. A chemical which, the Irish Medicines Board declares is not registered as a medicine, is unlicensed and has never been proved safe or effective for use on humans.

We are opposed to water fluoridation for the following reasons:

1.      Infringement of our human rights.
Fluoridation is compulsory. There is no freedom to choose with this form of medication. The Irish government has never requested the free informed consent of the population to give them fluoride in their water supply. This is contrary to the Council of Europe’s ‘Convention on Human Rights and Biomedicine’ (1997).

2.      Dental Fluorosis.
Dental fluorosis is tooth damage caused by swallowing fluoride. Current estimates, of dental fluorosis, state that between 24-50% of all Irish children and teenagers have some form of this condition.

3.      Health damage.
There are numerous international scientific studies linking fluoride/fluoridation with serious health conditions such as hip fractures, cancer, osteoporosis, thyroid dysfunction, neurological impairment and irritable bowel syndrome.

We will be delivering a letter to the Dail, signed by fifteen dentists, demanding an immediate end to water fluoridation in Ireland. We will also be outlining our legal options and providing information on our new website. Refreshments provided.

For further information please contact Dr. Don Mac Auley 046 21203 or mail idof@eircom.net


Source information

[1] Fluoride water ‘causes cancer’. The Observer 12/6/05. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1504672,00.html

[2] Fluoride and Bone Cancer in Young Boys. Environmental Working Group website. http://ewg.org/issues/fluoride/20050606/index.php

[3] Excerpt of Harvard Study. www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/bassin-2001.pdf

[4] Cross border fluoride cancer link. Fluoride Free Water 7/1/02. www.fluoridefree.com

[5] The Irish Dentist. Fluoridation and Truth Decay. April 2005.

[6] North/South Survey of Children’s Oral Health 2002.

[7] DoH website. http://www.dohc.ie/press/speeches/2003/20030613.html

[8] Dr. Geoffrey Smith. New Scientist, May 5, 1983.

[9] Fluoride Free Water website.

http://homepage.eircom.net/~fluoridefree/foodsafetydoc.jpg

[10] Joint Health Committee on Health and Children. 10/7/2003. 

http://www.irlgov.ie/committees-29/c-health/20030710-J/default.htm

[11] Forum on Fluoridation Report. Appendix 18 pg 244.

[12] Forum on Fluoridation Report. Recommendation 1 pg 15.

[13] Armfield JM, Spencer AJ. Consumption of nonpublic water: implications for children¹s caries experience. Community Dent Oral Epidemiol. 2004;32:283-296.

[Brocke]

Great Posts!

[independentWV]

Here is letter sent to my local water company in Feb 2007, waited two weeks but recived no response I then started signature petition. Armed with science (clinical studies accepted by medical professionals), local people and petition presented to City Council along with my report that documented water report sent out to local residents was inaccurate (fraud). Water companies pay thousands of dollars to poison us this is crazy.

Are you aware over 70 US communities have stopped adding fluoride to water supplies? Also, it is interesting that most European countries, China and Japan do not add fluoride to water supplies.

Fluoridated water cannot be shown to significantly reduce dental caries (tooth decay) and it has proved to be far more toxic than previously thought. In fact newer research points to fluoride causing tooth decay. Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of Fluorides links fluoride to many medical problems including bone cancer and premature aging. In addition, points to fluoride for increasing cancer death rate. Are you aware of this research? Del Rio TX just stopped fluoridation based on these scientific facts.

It is well known and accepted that some fluoride occurs naturally in all water but the fluoride added to city water supplies is a waste product of the phosphate fertilizer industry. It is a very corrosive chemical that can eat through concrete how do employee’s feel about handling fluoride do they wear protective suits and masks?  Silicofluorides are 85 times more toxic than naturally occurring calcium fluoride.

Communities that stopped fluoridation did not see increase in cavities according to studies. Altoona PA, Beach Haven NJ, Springfield OH, Xenia OH, Middletown MD and South Blount Water District TN are just a few of the many US communities that stopped fluoridation. Why is Beckley continuing to spend thousands of dollars to increase medical problems and cancer death rate for area residents? That is an appropriate question. Please explain how fluoride can be part of your commitment to deliver the best quality drinking water when science disagrees and reports serious health risk?  There are no federal regulations by EPA relating to decision to add fluoride it is up to individual communities although maximum contaminant levels are regulated.

I am currently working on doctorate in naturopathy and completed several research projects one specifically relates to water quality spent many months on this project. This project is not published yet in order to offer further opportunity for your remarks on fluoridation.  Physicians and other research and wellness groups will have access to my project.  Look forward to your input.

Sincerely,

[uwaf]

YEAH it works, they haven't any teeth either! Any brains, and mind, any soul,they live to eat, not eat to live!

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Prozac 'found in drinking water'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3545684.stm

Traces of the antidepressant Prozac can be found in the nation's drinking water, it has been revealed.
An Environment Agency report suggests so many people are taking the drug nowadays it is building up in rivers and groundwater.

A report in Sunday's Observer says the government's environment watchdog has discussed the impact for human health.

A spokesman for the Drinking Water Inspectorate (DWI) said the Prozac found was most likely highly diluted.

'Alarming'

The newspaper says environmentalists are calling for an urgent investigation into the evidence.

It quotes the Liberal Democrats' environment spokesman, Norman Baker MP, as saying the picture emerging looked like "a case of hidden mass medication upon the unsuspecting public".

He says: "It is alarming that there is no monitoring of levels of Prozac and other pharmacy residues in our drinking water."

Experts say the anti-depression drug gets into the rivers and water system via treated sewage water.

Prescriptions increase

The DWI said the Prozac (known technically as fluoxetine) was unlikely to pose a health risk as it was so "watered down".

The Observer says the revelations raise new fears over how many prescriptions for the drug are given out by doctors.

In the decade leading up to 2001, the number of prescriptions for antidepressants went up from nine million per year to 24 million per year, says the paper.

The Environment Agency report concluded that the Prozac in the water table could be potentially toxic and said the drug was a "potential concern".

The exact amount of Prozac in the nation's drinking water is not known.

[Brocke]

Fluoxetine hydrochloride (Prozac) is an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class. Fluoxetine is approved for the treatment of clinical depression (including pediatric depression), obsessive-compulsive disorder (in both adult and pediatric populations), bulimia nervosa, panic disorder and premenstrual dysphoric disorder.[1] Other indications include hypochondriasis and body dysmorphic disorder. Despite the availability of newer agents, it remains extremely popular. Over 23.1 million prescriptions for generic formulations of fluoxetine were filled in the United States in 2006, making it the third most prescribed antidepressant.

Prozac is a fluorinated drug called "fluoxetine".

   Paxil is a fluorinated drug called "paroxetine" (also called Seroxat, Aropax). These drugs are designed to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin (serotonin reuptake inhibitors - SSRIs) and hence interfere with the biological actions of serotonin, a neurotransmitter.

   Both drugs contain fluorine and chloride. Fluoride is present as a '4-fluorophenyl' compound, part of the 'active' ingredient.

   Fluorophenyl compounds are found as major metabolites in the human organism from Paxil and Prozac, as well as from pesticides as Flusilazole (Anderson et al, 1999), Fluorbenside; FOE 5043 (Christenson et al, 1996), other drugs such as dexfenfluramine ("Redux"; "Fen-Phen" - now withdrawn) (Kalin et al, 2000); Fluvastatin (Top 200 drugs) (Dain et al, 1993); Flutrimazole (skin cream) (Conte et al, 1992); AD-5423 (an anti-psychotic) (Oka et al, 1993), Bay U 3405 (Braun et al, 1990); Cisapride (also now withdrawn from US market), Leflunamide (Arava) etc...

   Fluorophenyl compounds have shown to disturb thyroid hormone activity in several ways, specifically in the liver and at the hypothalamus-pituitary-thyroid (HPT) axis.

Observations

   In depressed patients receiving paroxetine the T4 level was reduced by 11. 2% (Konig et al, 2000).

   In animals chronic administration of fluoxetine results in a decrease in both T4 and T3 levels. The authors reported that the major effect of the drug “seems to be stimulation of TSH synthesis and release via the inhibition of T4-mediated thyroid-pituitary feedback” (Golstein et al, 1983).

   In rat brain, fluoxetine has also been shown to interfere with local T3 metabolism (Eravci et al, 2000; Baumgartner et al, 1994).

Liver

   In the 1930s is was first observed that all fluoride compounds, organic and inorganic ones, inhibit thyroid hormones. This was first established in the 1930s by experiments conducted by Prof. Kurt Kraft who exposed tadpoles (bufo vulgaris, rana temporaria) to fluoride compounds including sodium fluoride, fluorotyrosine and fluorobenzoic acid (Kraft, 1937). Numerous fluoride compounds were used subsequently as the first line of treatment for hyperthyroidism in various countries, for several decades.

   1940s experiments on animals were conducted by Euler et al. which showed that all fluoride compounds acted upon liver glycogen, the difference being a matter of amplitude (Euler et al, 1949). Some organic compounds caused identical effects in bone and teeth as inorganic fluorides (Euler et al, 1942).

   In 1996, Christensen et al. tested the experimental herbicide FOE 5043 (4-fluorophenyl-containing) specifically on thyroid hormone function in the liver, after earlier tests had  suggested that the observed reduced circulating serum T4 levels were due to extrathyroidal activity.

      "In the liver, the actvity of hepatitic uridine glucoronosyl transferase, a major pathway of thyroid hormone biotransformation in the rat, increased in a statistically significant and dose-dependent manner, conversely hepatitic 5-monodeiodinase [D1] trended downward with dose. Bile flow and bilary excretion of T4 were increased. These data suggests that the functional status of the thyroid and pituitary glands has not been altered by treatment with FOE 5043 and that reductions in circulating levels of T4 are being mediated indirectly through an increase in the biotransformation and excretion of thyroid hormone in the liver."

   Urichuk et al (1997) showed that levels of fluorophenyl metabolites after fluoxetine administration were 10-fold higher in the liver of rats than in brain.

CNS

   In the 1940s numerous investigators were of the opinion that - besides being active in liver - organic fluorides could also be causing disturbances at the hypothalamus-pituitary (HP) axis, due to their high affinity for the central nervous system (CNS) (Litzka, 1937, May, 1950).

   Later investigations into such compounds as fluoxetine   confirmed those suspicions (Jackson et al, 1998; Baumgartner et al, 1994; Golstein et al, 1983).

   In humans fluoxetine treatment reduced TRH-induced TSH release in both normal and obese women (Pijl et al, 1993). In a hypothalamic neuronal culture system fluoxetine decreased TRH levels (Jackson et al, 1998). In other tissue (rabbits - colon) it has shown to enhance TRH activity (Horita  & Carino, 1982).

   In humans, fluvoxamine (Luvox) also causes a decreased TSH response in the TRH test, indicating disturbances in the hypothalamus-pituitary-thyroid (HPT) axis. It caused decreased basal TSH levels (De Mendonca et al, 1997).   

   Fluoxetine has been found to inhibit D2 and D3 deiodinase activities in the rat brain (Eravci et al, 2000; Baumgartner et al, 1994).

   These deiodinases - of which there are three (D1, D2 and D3) - are responsible for T4 to T3 conversion. While D1 is mainly expressed in the liver, kidney and the thyroid, D2 is found in the central nervous system, the pituitary, skeletal muscle and adipose tissue. D3 is responsible for the production of reverse T3 (rT3).

P450 System

   Fluorophenyl compounds are potent inhibitors of the cytochrome P450 (CYP) enzyme system in the liver.

   Prolonged inhibition of P450 leads to thyroid hormone reduction. Thyroid hormones, in turn, modulate the levels of P450 in the liver, where the majority of thyroid hormone synthesis occurs (T4 ->T3).

Drug Interactions

   Fluoxetine is a known inhibitor of multiple P450 isoenzymes, thus interfering with the metabolism of other substances (Thompson et al, 1997; 2003).

   Fluoxetine thus may potentiate the effects of other drugs manyfold (Daniel et al, 1999a, 1999b). Fluoxetine potently increased (up to 13 times) the concentrations of thioridazine and its metabolites in the plasma (Daniel et al, 1999), due to synergistic pharmacodynamic effects and the influence of fluoxetine on the bioavailability of such compounds.

Selenoproteins

   Studies in rat liver slices showed intracellular glutathione levels decreased and fluoride ion levels increased in a time and concentration-dependent manner by fluoxetine (Thompson et al, 1997).

   Like the deiodinases, glutathione peroxidase is another selenoprotein-containing enzyme which further modulates iodine metabolism.

   Glutathione peroxidase levels are considered a diagnostic tool in fluoride poisoning - discriminating between mild and severe chronic fluorosis (Guan, 1983).

   Several animal studies show that fluoxetine causes a decline in T3 levels and affects T3 production in various tissue, including brain (Eravci et al, 2000; Lin et al, 1999; Baumgartner et al, 1994; Shelton et al, 1993). .   

   Because of their vast effects on the thyroid hormone system, it is of great importance that anybody wishing to get off such medications as Paxil, Prozac, Luvox etc. does so very gradually.

Other Assorted Prozac Facts

   Infants who were breastfed by mothers taking fluoxetine demonstrated a growth curve significantly below that of infants who were breastfed by mothers who did not take the drug (Chambers et al, 1999).  Newborn mouse pups exposed to paroxetine were more likely to have low birthweights (Rayburn et al, 2000). Low birth weight is related to thyroid status of the mother.

   Fluoxetine has been shown to cause severe liver dysfunction such as hepatitis (Cai et al, 1999; Johnston & Wheeler, 1997; Mars et al, 1991; Friedenberg & Rothstein, 1996).

   Fluoxetine has also been shown to cause secondary hyperthyroidism - originating from pituitary dysfunction (Martinez & Ortiz, 1999).

   Visual hallucinations have been found associated with use of fluoxetine (Bourgeois et al, 1998).

   Dyskinesia has been reported with use of fluoxetine. (Duborvski & Thomas, 1996).

   Fluoxetine showed tumor-promoting activity in rat liver , as did fenfluramine, another fluorophenyl-containing fluoride compound (Lin et al, 1999). [Ed: as does PFOS  - "Scotchgard")].

   Like other, inorganic fluoride compounds, 4-fluorophenyl shows activity upon TXA2/PGA2 receptors (Marcin et al. 1999).

Myoclonus

   “A 72-year-old woman developed rhythmic palatal movements, myoclonus, chorea, and possibly dystonia after 2 years of therapy with fluoxetine. On withdrawal of fluoxetine, the movements abated after 5 days and did not recur. A second patient, a 58-year-old man, developed myoclonic jerking and rapid, stereotypic movements of his toes after a year of fluoxetine therapy.” (Bharucha & Sethi, 1996).


http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2003-08-Prozac-Paxil-Fluorophenyl.htm

[shirteesdotnet]

I thought I would make a note here.

Went to the store to buy some Tom's toothpaste since it doesnt have fluoride. I remember about a year ago they were bought out.. I forget by who... a big company like GE no doubt. Anyhow, of the four Tom's toothpastes for sale, three of them had fluoride in it! I dont think Tom's ever put fluoride in before they were bought out! Those new toothpastes by Tom's dont even list source of all their ingredients like they used to. I did buy the one Tom's without fluoride and will use it up, but no longer trust even them. Funny, people in this tread have been talking about just using baking soda for toothpaste... I will do just that from now on. Why? Thats the main ingredient in Tom's without fluoride. DUH.

[jamba]

Ok, I plan on getting a Berkey water filter to get rid of the fluoride, but I'm sure everyone knows that toothpaste almost always has fluoride in it. Does anyone know of any effective non-fluoride toothpaste that they use or know of?

We just got the Toms of Maine peppermint toothpaste that is flouride free. It took some looking, but it's there. (We found it at WalMart) Their strawberry toothpaste does have flouride, so read the packages.

[chilicharger665]

Ok thanks for the reply! I have just been using hydrogen peroxide to kill the germs and then just brushing my teeth to get rid of the plague and all that. However, I just don't think that is entirely taking care of my teeth properly. I just didn't want to use any more fluoridated toothpaste. Does anyone know if there are any overt advantages to using toothpaste over what I have been doing?

[Sonja]

 I quit using Toms when Colgate-Pamolive bought it, I dont trust their integrity nor do I like supporting them.
 
Nature's Gate toothpaste has a few types that dont have flouride and they have antibacterial herbs and gel or paste. Its made by Levlad which only makes natural products.

Chili- toothpaste is not neccessary but I think it gives a cleaner feel. Dont forget to Floss! 

Does anyone have the link to the Flouride clip that Alex played today, Wed?

[shirteesdotnet]

im waiting for it. sounded good!

[xereau]

DEFINITIVE LINK ON THIS THREAD

If these articles can't wake every single person you know, nothing can.

[chilicharger665]

Excellent link!! Thank you for that, I have some reading to do!

[mr anderson]

Bill Hicks - Waffle house

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ruO4dwLC94

[chilicharger665]

I have been very dissapointed with the teeth cleaning methods that was advised to on here. I just used baking soda to brush my teeth and hydrogen peroxide for a mouthwash and my teeth never felt truly clean and my teeth must have gotten weaker because a bunch of them chipped really bad!  *sigh* I guess I will have to spend the money and start buying toothpaste again...

[ghardy]

if you're worried about the good minerals being removed from your water, then take a good multi-vitamin and eat well. 

[chilicharger665]

What would this good multivitamin be perhaps?

[birgit]

My 2 cents
I have 2 friends who get kidney infections on a severly chronic basis.
They were told to stick with RO water, as it 'flushes out' everything.
No crystals to start a problem.Their docs  each told them that there is enough salt and
mineral content in the foods we eat.
Read somewhere a long time ago about areas with hard water having a whole lot
 more people with kidney and bladder stones, we are in one of those.
I have a senior dog who gets stones and a  cat who blocks up unless they get RO water.
And the vet told me about the food having all needed minerals .
 We alternate &  never drink or cook with tap- not even filtered -only low mineral spring or RO water.
3 years of  no issues with blockages or stones/infections
I have ordered a fluoride filter for on top of the sink. we'll see how that works.Looked at whole house units, out of my reach.

[dr4gon]

To the original poster....Oh My ....Mary?

Man that is the most depressing video i've seen in quite some time. Alex is spot on, this is beyond dumb.....people ARE retarded.

[70983]

While...ahem..."studying" I came across this section in my chemistry book telling me that flouride "works".  Maybe it will be helpful to some of you, I don't really know what it means because I haven't understood my chemistry class for 5 months, i'm just tring to pass it right now and it isn't my best subject.  It is from Glencoe Chemistry: Matter and Change in chapter 18.3.  Here is what it says, and it tells you to do a lab for the excercise (emphasis added):

Problem Solving LAB:

How does flouride prevent tooth decay?

Using Numbers During the last half century, tooth decay has decreased significantly because minute quantities of the flouride ion (6 x 10^-5M) are being added to most public drinking water and people are using toothpastes containing sodium flouride or tin(II) flouride.  Use what you know about the sloubility of ionic compounds and reversible reactions to explore the role of the flouride ion in maintaining cavity-free teeth.

Analysis
Tooth enamel, the hard, protective outer layer of the tooth, is 98% Hydroxyapatite (Ca₅(PO₄)₃OH).  Although quite insoluble (K_sp=6.8 x 10^-37 in water), demineralization, which is the dissolving of hydroxyapatite, does occur especially when the saliva contains acids.  The reverse reaction, remineralization, also occurs.  Remineralization is the re-depositing of tooth enamel.  When hydroxyapatite is in a solution with flouride ions, a double-replacement reaction can occur.  Flouride ion replaces the hydroxide ion to form flourapatite (Ca₅(PO₄)₃F, K_sp=1 x 10^-60).  Flourapatite remineralizes the tooth enamel, thus partially displacing the hydroxyapatite.  Because flourapatite is less soluble than hydroxyapatite, destructive demineralization is reduced.

Thinking critically

1.  Write the equation for the dissolving of hydroxyapatite and its equilibrium constant expression.  How do the conditions in the mouth differ from those of a true equilibrium?

2.  Write the equation for the double-replacement reaction that occurs between hydroxyapatite and sodium flouride.

3.  Calculate the solubility of hydroxyapatite and flourapatite in water.  Compare the solubilities.

4.  What is the ion product constant (Q_sp) for the reaction if 0.00050M NaF is mixed with an equal volume of 0.000015M Ca₅(PO₄)₃OH?  Will a precipitate form (re-mineralization)?

[Brocke]

While...ahem..."studying" I came across this section in my chemistry book telling me that flouride "works".  Maybe it will be helpful to some of you, I don't really know what it means because I haven't understood my chemistry class for 5 months, i'm just tring to pass it right now and it isn't my best subject.  It is from Glencoe Chemistry: Matter and Change in chapter 18.3.  Here is what it says, and it tells you to do a lab for the excercise (emphasis added):

Problem Solving LAB:

How does flouride prevent tooth decay?

Using Numbers During the last half century, tooth decay has decreased significantly because minute quantities of the flouride ion (6 x 10^-5M) are being added to most public drinking water and people are using toothpastes containing sodium flouride or tin(II) flouride.  Use what you know about the sloubility of ionic compounds and reversible reactions to explore the role of the flouride ion in maintaining cavity-free teeth.

Analysis
Tooth enamel, the hard, protective outer layer of the tooth, is 98% Hydroxyapatite (Ca₅(PO₄)₃OH).  Although quite insoluble (K_sp=6.8 x 10^-37 in water), demineralization, which is the dissolving of hydroxyapatite, does occur especially when the saliva contains acids.  The reverse reaction, remineralization, also occurs.  Remineralization is the re-depositing of tooth enamel.  When hydroxyapatite is in a solution with flouride ions, a double-replacement reaction can occur.  Flouride ion replaces the hydroxide ion to form flourapatite (Ca₅(PO₄)₃F, K_sp=1 x 10^-60).  Flourapatite remineralizes the tooth enamel, thus partially displacing the hydroxyapatite.  Because flourapatite is less soluble than hydroxyapatite, destructive demineralization is reduced.

Thinking critically

1.  Write the equation for the dissolving of hydroxyapatite and its equilibrium constant expression.  How do the conditions in the mouth differ from those of a true equilibrium?

2.  Write the equation for the double-replacement reaction that occurs between hydroxyapatite and sodium flouride.

3.  Calculate the solubility of hydroxyapatite and flourapatite in water.  Compare the solubilities.

4.  What is the ion product constant (Q_sp) for the reaction if 0.00050M NaF is mixed with an equal volume of 0.000015M Ca₅(PO₄)₃OH?  Will a precipitate form (re-mineralization)?

Tooth enamel does not re-mineralize naturally. This is not possible. "Re-depositing of tooth enamel" is a myth. Once you have your adult teeth they start wearing away. The enamel does not replace itself.

You can replace hydroxyapatite with flourapatite by putting fluorine ions (fluoride) in the water.

The acid in the saliva statement is not completely correct.
Saliva can be more or less acid or alkaline but the contributing factor to dental caries (cavities) is bacteria. Tooth decay is caused by certain types of acid-producing bacteria (specifically Lactobacillus and Streptococcus mutans) which cause damage in the presence of fermentable carbohydrates such as sucrose, fructose, and glucose. The resulting high levels of acidity from lactic acid in the mouth affect teeth because a tooth's special mineral content causes it to be sensitive to low pH.

Basically, the bacteria convert carbohydrates (sugar) into energy. In the process of converting or digesting the sugars the bacteria produce acid which in turn causes dissolution (break down) of the tooth surface (enamel).

How Fluoride really works
Fluoride is a poison. Fluorine (fluoride) is also THE SINGE MOST REACTIVE ELEMENT in the Periodic Chart (F₂). Most Fluorine compounds are poisonous. When bacteria try to digest the flourapatite that has replaced the hydroxyapatite they are poisoned. Fluoride acts as a bactericide and kills the bacteria. This is how fluoride really works. In some people fluorides bacteria killing properties do in fact reduce the amount of bacteria in and hence their cavities.

"Fluoride science is corporate science. Fluoride science is DDT it's science asbestos science, it's tobacco science. It's a racket!"
Christopher Brysen - The Fluoride Deception
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v3087347FT43MGam

NOTE:
Organic compounds containing Fluorine are the cause of the well known damage to the Ozone layer. These compounds are used in sprays and refrigerants. Some Fluorine compounds are very resistant to chemicals and heat (like Teflon, used in non-stick cooking pans).

[boomerkel]

"Fluoride science is corporate science. Fluoride science is DDT it's science asbestos science, it's tobacco science. It's a racket!"
Christopher Brysen - The Fluoride Deception
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v3087347FT43MGam

Fantastic Post

[renegade357]

Hello Rufus,

Everyone needs to see this video now. I am spreading it as far and wide as I can. I saw it a few weeks ago.

[Brocke]

I've had this bottle for years. I bought it in a pharmacy for a couple of dollars while I was researching fluoride.

[Brocke]

[leahanna412003]

Here is a good example http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=450_1188520073


Boy do we need help...


Rock

I just feel badly for these people.  Even I could see that it was a mere reflection from the sun hitting something.  When the people put their hands on the wall, their arms got in the way and I could see the shadow.  I just think that some folks are becoming so desperate for answers, they see what they want to see. But...I guess if it's bringing people together in caring for each other..it's not such a bad thing. It's the point of 'sticking together' as a 'whole people' to win this battle.

I did find an excellent source of bottled natural spring water, without the chemicals.  Maybe it's available in your state as well.  It's called H₂0 and is Icelandic Glacial.  Of course it does come from Iceland.   

I picked up a bottle at the corner gas station, and it tastes wonderful.  The other waters I've bought taste 'very bitter' in comparison to this.  I also went onto their web site.  In reading the label it also has the perfect pH of 7.75 and natural minerals that occur in that particular water. 

http://www.iclandicglacial.com 

This company runs their plant with Hydro Electric Power, and according to what they've written, they do not deplete the source or pump more up, but use what is available at the time it's captured.  Their source is protected by Lava Rock, which keeps the water 'free of contaminants.'  But you can go to the site and read these things for yourself.  Besides guys...they've got a pretty girl there.     Just kidding.  Their information speaks for itself, even without the pretty girl, because there's a guy there too...who explains.

Purchasing it from the gas station is too expensive @ $1.59 for a 16.5 oz bottle, however, I took the initiative to write to the U.S. sales office in California asking for a 'case price.'  I hope I get an answer soon.

[jeremiah]

In this site, http://www.just-think-it.com/no-f.htm , the writer says that reverse osmosis and distillation is ineffective at removing fluoride from water. The writer is a chemical engineer and obviously knows what he is talking about.

[leahanna412003]

Ok thanks for the reply! I have just been using hydrogen peroxide to kill the germs and then just brushing my teeth to get rid of the plague and all that. However, I just don't think that is entirely taking care of my teeth properly. I just didn't want to use any more fluoridated toothpaste. Does anyone know if there are any overt advantages to using toothpaste over what I have been doing?

Toothpaste sucks because it contains not only a ton of fluoride, but also SUGAR.  The diluted peroxide, about 1 tsp per 6 oz glass is enough.  Then just use Baking Soda to brush; that's what I do.  Since the 'grit' of baking soda is natural and cleans the teeth, you are at the same time using something that is an alkaline, which is good.  That alkaline is absorbed through the gum tissue, and assist in lowering the acidic level of your body, therefore staying a bit healthier.  Our bodies pH levels are important in fighting off bacteria.  Take a look at this site, http://www.biogro.us/wateroz.html.  They have a plethora of everything that is super terrific, albeit a bit pricey.  Although I'm going to begin purchasing a gallon of each per week.  Their stuff keeps indefinitely...and it's extremely pure.  Hope this helps.   

[spudpeel]

didn't the romans build the aqueducts from lead? so i remember from history at least.. guess some things are just left unspoken sometimes.

Plumbing used to be done with lead, because it is soft and easy to shape. If you look at a periodic table, lead has the symbol Pb, from the latin plumbum.. 

[egypt]

The point in my mind is that if someone wants fluoride added to their diet, they can do so with fluoride supplements.  What is this idea of imposing it on everyone?

At what point do they introduce it into our water system, anyway? Do they add it to the reservoir?

What is difficult in my area is that the populace keeps voting it down.  But, the legislation appears again and again -- in fact, right now.   It is a multi-million dollar project, too.  Hmmm, thought there was an economic crisis -- oh!  wait!  Not when it comes to NWO agenda!  Money is no problem there!

[shirteesdotnet]

Hi everyone. I need some help! I posted an article on my blog (a house blog about my old 1916 house) regarding fluoride in our city water (and in turn into our vegetables when using city water to garden).

http://1916home.blogspot.com/2009/06/fluoride-in-garden-water.html

People are starting to comment now, I think one of them is a city worker and thinks fluoride is good for you. Please post any info you might have backing up my post rallying against fluoride! Thanks for any help!

[America2]

Wow - these psychopaths are now putting flouride in the BOTTLED WATER, and doing so SECRETLY(i.e. some not listed in the ingredients).

These guys are ANIMALS. You know what I may do the next time I go into the grocery store? Put up "New World Order Scum" signs all over the bottled water section.

[jeremiahshine]

Pineal Gland/Depression/Headaches/Fluoride Connection?

from:  http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm

3. The Pineal Gland
The Pineal Gland -also called the epiphysis- looks like a miniature pine cone and is situated in the middle of the brain beneath the two brain halves, surrounded by the ventricles, under the roof of the corpus callosum (cross-beam connecting the 2 brain halves). (see picture) This active organ has, together with the Pituitary Gland (see picture), the next highest blood circulation after the kidneys. It is not protected by the blood-brain barrier and therefore makes this gland fragile to any substance entering the bloodstream. It is, for instance, very sensitive to fluoride.

Another factor involved in affecting the Pineal Gland can be excessive high or even toxic levels of an SSRI-AntiDepressant in the bloodstream. Certain individuals have a metabolic deficiency in the metabolism of anti-depressant medication. In the liver, a group of enzymes named " cytochrome P-450" enzymes, particularly the "CYP2D6 enzymes" of this group of enzymes, metabolise SSRI-AntiDepressants. When not properly metabolised, because one has a metabolic deficiency, a daily therapeutic dose can build up to excessive high or even toxic levels in the bloodstream. Hence, the Pineal Gland would be an easy target, since it is not very well protected by the blood-brain barrier. It is it's connection to serotonin what makes this organ so very interesting.

3.a. The Pineal Gland-Serotonin connection
Nicholas Giarmin, a professor of pharmacology and Daniel Freedman, a professor of psychiatry, confirmed that the human brain manufactures serotonin at various sites in the brain. For example, in the Thalamus, they discovered 61 nanograms of serotonin per gram of tissue; in the Hippocampus, 56 ng.; in the Central Gray Section of the Midbrain, they found 482 ng. But in the Pineal Gland, they found 3140 ng. of serotonin per gram of tissue. The Pineal Gland was unmistakably the richest site of serotonin in the brain! This discovery implicates the Pineal Gland as an important site of serotonergic activity.

The neurohormone Melatonin & the Endocrine System
One of the neurotransmitters secreted by the Pineal Gland is Melatonin, also known as N-Acetyl-5-Methoxy-Tryptamine (NA-5-MT). In the Pineal Gland, serotonin converts into melatonin by enzymatic interaction. Melatonin is also an important hormone to the body, that's why it is called a neurohormone. It is necessary to regulate the function of all organs of the Endocrine System in the body. The organs or glands of the endocrine system are: the Pituitary Gland, situated in the brain; the Thyroid + Parathyroid Glands; the Thymus; the Pancreas; the Ovaries/Testes (see image). All of these endocrine organs/glands secrete their hormones to the blood. The Pituitary Gland stimulates the secretion of these hormones, while the Pineal Gland apply the brakes on them through it's neurohormone melatonin. If the endocrine organs/glands release too much of their hormones, for instance when we are stressed, then the Pineal Gland releases melatonin to counteract these hormones. Also serotonin gets released when stress is involved. The increased serotonin triggers the release of adrenaline, which allows the body to work through the stress.

The Pineal Gland is a magneto sensitive organ, what means that it is sensitive to electromagnetic fields (EMF). It is sensitive to electromagnetic waves from computer monitors, cellular phones, microwave ovens, high voltage lines, etc.. Electromagnetic fields suppress the activity of the Pineal Gland and reduce melatonin production. EMF also affect serotonin.

The neurohormone Melatonin & the Eye-SCN-Pineal Gland Axis
The Pineal Gland is also a photosensitive organ, what means that it is sensitive to light. It normally releases melatonin when it no longer receives light impulses. Just like serotonin, also melatonin has it's own day & night cycle (circadian rhythm) which begins where the cycle of serotonin normally ends. When serotonin reaches it's lowest level at night (in the dark) during slow wave sleep, the Pineal Gland starts to convert it's store of serotonin into melatonin to be released prior to REM sleep. Melatonin has it's peak around 02:00 AM. During daytime, the daylight inhibits the release of melatonin. This works as follows: when, during daytime, light reaches the eyes, then it's presence gets translated into nerve impulses, which travel through the optic nerve between the eyes and a region of the Hypothalamus called the "Suprachiasmatic Nucleus" (SCN). (see picture) The SCN in it's turn sends it's nerve impulses to the Pineal Gland. These impulses inhibit the Pineal Gland's production of melatonin until it gets dark, when it's to be released again.

Melatonin is not only present in the brain and body but also in the eye! One has speculated whether or not high melatonin levels in the eyes during daylight exposure, may bring damage to them over time. Visual/eye problems (light sensitivity, spots, blurred vision) are other symptoms, frequently reported by (former) SSRI-AntiDepressant users. I questioned myself if these problems could be related to elevated melatonin levels in the eye. When serotonin accumulates in the Pineal Gland, on account of an SSRI-AntiDepressant, then it would come under pressure to produce more melatonin out of the excessive amounts of serotonin. Hence, during daytime, melatonin levels in the eyes would be significantly higher then normally would occur... But, I had to revise this hypothesis. In a PubMed study, SSRI-AntiDepressants were found not to elevate melatonin levels in humans. Although "Luvox" and "Paxil" increases melatonin to a more or lesser amount, apparently this seemed not to be the case for the other SSRI-AntiDepressants. However, since the Pineal Gland does contain a complete map of the visual field of the eyes, could there be a correlation between visual/eye problems and a dysfunctional Pineal Gland?

[RastaFariWasRight]

Does RO also remove/reduce the pharmaceuticals found in the water as well?

[Unintelligable Name]

Be afraid... be very afraid...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=450_1188520073

[RastaFariWasRight]

Notice how they all look like fat sick brainwashed confused sheeple...

[darryl1928]

Those are some scary people

[xpandngreal8y]

heres some help !  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=135253.0

[ericbs5247]

Water Fluoridation is just one facet of an overall agenda to dumb down the population.  This website goes into the whole "Dumbing Down" process and includes an excellent documentary on the subject called "Flouride Deception":

http://dumbing-down-of-humanity.blogspot.com/

There is a link to a spreadsheet in the blog above that you can download that evaluates the amount of fluoride you can consume before you start experiencing symptoms.  There are several hyperlinks on the spreadsheet to back up the assumptions of the model.

[Jackson Holly]

Ask your local Waterworks Board to explain this: