Separation of Church and the Truth Movement

[Livefreeordie]

If you can not see the hate in your words.

I see a lot of hatred towards Christ in this place, so if my defending Him offends you then so be it. It is not me who you're upset with, you are upset with the Word of God...........................so take it up with Him why don't ya?

You're so sensitive Sub, lighten up a little, Bro, it's all good, I Love ya! 

Let me know when Zeitgeist II is coming out, we'll talk some more about racism and hatred. 

[dogmadestroyer]

Oh, please, you rejected God way before I came along or any other Bible thumpin' Brother or Sister so cry me a river elsewhere, Chief! 

It's called a PRIDE problem you people have, not anything us Christians have done to you so get over it! 


BTW, Get right with God, Heathen! 

It's the Bible you don't like, not us Christians.

"It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~ Mark Twain

You're right, Christianity has never felt right to me and it doesn't make logical sense to me. Are you happy? Instead of weighing what I was talking about on its merits and discussing what you though in response you chose to react like Pavlov's dog to a bell and attack. You are proving just why I hate christianity. The original article was clearly written by a christian in an effort to show that all the screaming about the bible makes non-christians feel that you're cramming down our throats... which you clearly are. Do you think Ron Paul would have had such success getting the truth out in this country if all he did was talk about his religion?? NO! Would I have the utmost respect for Chuck Baldwin that I do if he didn't understand the need to let the bible thumping go unsaid when it came to politics?? NO!

A pride problem?? Who's the one going around decreeing that people are unbelievers as if it means something to them left and right? Who goes around quoting verses to someone who is questioning your source to make a point and thus proving nothing? If you want pride take a look in the mirror buddy.

And no, its mostly the christians I don't like. Here is an example:
I was in the park enjoying a rare nice sunny day as were many other people that day. Some baptists saw it fit to come around bothering people. It would be one thing if they chose to do so in a respectful manner but oh no.. they came up with a condescending, bothersome tone "Have you ever thought about this?" (sticks a large card reading "Are you going to heaven?" with the address for the church in my face and then he steps back with a judgemental glare) I'm really unsure as to what prompted his treatment of myself and everyone else I had observed before he came over but I'm thinking it had something to do with his religion and presumably his need to suck all the joy of life out of the park. Really, how is he going to 'save' someone while treating them like garbage? When he did this to me I became quite angry so I crumpled the card and jammed it back into his front shirt pocket where he kept them. I told him "Come back when you learn some manners but until then get the f**k out of my face."

Why do you keep quoting Mark Twain when he was somewhat anti-religious... definitely not a bible thumper. Go ahead and reread that quote you posted from that angle.
BTW Thomas Paine was decried as an atheist in his day and he believed in an Astro-Theological interperetation of religious texts. Chew on that.

[Sub-X]

I answered enough of your questions......................what is this, am I being interrogated by the IRA here? 

Yeah I could definitely feel your love their man,made me all warm and fuzzy inside  


Maybe being called a jesuit agent and making stupid racist remarks about my country makes one a little sensitive.Funny thing though this is exactly how the author of that site you so freely throw around treated somebody for asking a question with insults.
You see hate where others seek understanding my friend,and if you would kindly point out any hateful remarks I made about Jesus please do,though to save time there is none.You can try and justify yourself as much as you like but your bigotry speaks louder.

Christians everywhere must be feeling a sense of pride that you Livefree,are among them,God help us.

[Livefreeordie]

You're right, Christianity has never felt right to me and it doesn't make logical sense to me. Are you happy?

Yes, very happy, thanks for asking.

That's because your pride gets in the way. You couldn't possibly submit yourself to a God who would punish the wicked, that would be unjustly, wouldn't it? 

Ya, I'm proud..........................proud of what Christ has done for the filthy rotten sinner that I am, how 'bout you? 

Why do you keep quoting Mark Twain when he was somewhat anti-religious... definitely not a bible thumper. Go ahead and reread that quote you posted from that angle.
BTW Thomas Paine was decried as an atheist in his day and he believed in an Astro-Theological interperetation of religious texts. Chew on that.

Because Mark Twain put it so truthful, it's the Bible you unbelievers hate, you hate what it has to say.......................get it? I never said Mark was Religious, did I?

Thomas Paine didn't like the Bible either, so what, should I be impressed with Thomas Paine? I don't care what he believed in, he obviously couldn't handle the truth so he chose the path of PRIDE.

Good luck with that!

[Livefreeordie]

Yeah I could definitely feel your love their man,made me all warm and fuzzy inside 

Great, now maybe you should run along and try to help this 911 truth movement and stop posting here so I don't have to respond to your immature posts, ok?

Or do you want to argue about this till the cows come home? 

I have a feeling you'd rather mock Christ, what a shame.

BTW, I don't care what OTHER Christians feel about me or think, I care what CHRIST thinks....................got it, get it, good! 

[dogmadestroyer]

Yeah I could definitely feel your love their man,made me all warm and fuzzy inside  


Maybe being called a jesuit agent and making stupid racist remarks about my country makes one a little sensitive.Funny thing though this is exactly how the author of that site you so freely throw around treated somebody for asking a question with insults.
You see hate where others seek understanding my friend,and if you would kindly point out any hateful remarks I made about Jesus please do,though to save time there is none.You can try and justify yourself as much as you like but your bigotry speaks louder.

Christians everywhere must be feeling a sense of pride that you Livefree,are among them,God help us.

Amen.

Yes, very happy, thanks for asking.

That's because your pride gets in the way. You couldn't possibly submit yourself to a God who would punish the wicked, that would be unjustly, wouldn't it? 

Ya, I'm proud..........................proud of what Christ has done for the filthy rotten sinner that I am, how 'bout you? 

Because Mark Twain put it so truthful, it's the Bible you unbelievers hate, you hate what it has to say.......................get it? I never said Mark was Religious, did I?

Thomas Paine didn't like the Bible either, so what, should I be impressed with Thomas Paine? I don't care what he believed in, he obviously couldn't handle the truth so he chose the path of PRIDE.

Good luck with that!

Ah we're still on my pride eh? Again, you address next to nothing which I write and opt for an infantile lack of give and take as comes with normal human conversation. No, instead you will only nit pick out a few words here and there and go off the handle on that without addressing the larger themes in that passage just as you people do with the bible. The media shows that out of context quotes can prove anything but much to your detriment, you have the source posted directly above you so you look like an ass. Having you pontificate and repeat yourself only proves my points above and only cements my beliefs. You fundis must view everything through a lense to bend truth to your own liking rather than changing your own state to truth and are worse than the average American.

This is like trying to argue with a child to eat broccoli because its good for them. "The universe is an intelligence test and you failed."

BTW thanks for the luck! I won't need it.

[dogmadestroyer]

Great, now maybe you should run along and try to help this 911 truth movement and stop posting here so I don't have to respond to your immature posts, ok?

Or do you want to argue about this till the cows come home? 

I have a feeling you'd rather mock Christ, what a shame.

HAHAHAHAHAH this almost made me spit out my water in laughter. Reread your posts and we'll see who's acting immaturely.

Another thing, about Sub-X "mocking christ", I don't think I've ever seen that here. Whereas I have very little patience for you lemmings he has always questioned in a respectful way and has not necessarily recieved respect in return. But no, of course your "feeling" on what he rather would do with his time is adequate. Don't you usually judge a tree by the fruits they bare? Using that logic, I don't think anyone should ever take advice from you.

Anyway, since nothing else but the bible seems to be an adequate frame of discussion with you just note:
When people did not want to hear what Jesus was selling in that village he moved on. Telling us to submit to your god gets you nowhere.

[Livefreeordie]

Ah we're still on my pride eh? Again, you address next to nothing which I write and opt for an infantile lack of give and take as comes with normal human conversation. No, instead you will only nit pick out a few words here and there and go off the handle on that without addressing the larger themes in that passage just as you people do with the bible. The media shows that out of context quotes can prove anything but much to your detriment, you have the source posted directly above you so you look like an ass. Having you pontificate and repeat yourself only proves my points above and only cements my beliefs. You fundis must view everything through a lense to bend truth to your own liking rather than changing your own state to truth and are worse than the average American.

This is like trying to argue with a child to eat broccoli because its good for them. "The universe is an intelligence test and you failed."

BTW thanks for the luck! I won't need it.

YAWN!!!

We're done here, you guys believe what you want, I letting you know now that I've had enough, now if I respond to you again it will have been your fault, not mine.

If you want the last word, go ahead, the prideful Atheists always do like getting the last word in these days so I expect a response to this post.....................................just don't expect a response back.

And don't stalk me on here, that would make you two look..............................well, pretty freaky.   

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

When people did not want to hear what Jesus was selling in that village he moved on. Telling us to submit to your god gets you nowhere.

[Sub-X]

Great, now maybe you should run along and try to help this 911 truth movement and stop posting here so I don't have to respond to your immature posts, ok?

Or do you want to argue about this till the cows come home? 

I have a feeling you'd rather mock Christ, what a shame.

More falsehoods well done  .Man I'm ashamed that theres people like you in the truth movement,now that is a mockery  

As far continuing to post here,your damn right I will,because everytime you respond,just further proves your hypocrisy,bigotry,intolerance and hate towards others in disagreement with you.You have been reduced to childish,simpleminded insults,so by all means continue to expose yourself,as the fraud you are my friend.Thumping bible verses and insulting others doesn't make you a Christian Livefree,even I know that  

I will say it once again,just if for nothing else so I can try and understand for myself,all of this is because you didn't want to answer one simple question about your religion.

As for your continuing lies that I have mocked Christianity is quiet ironic,I have had many a good conversion with Fema,Amishism,Red,Coldfusion,(when he isn't thumping the verses ),if I hated Christians as much as you would like to believe,it would then be very easy to search my posts and find my blasphemy,please show me these links,so you can bring my evil Christian hating arse in check,excuse the pun but that is going to take a miracle.

Must be a kicker Livefree,I understand tolerance,compassion and respect more than you and yet I'm a Christian hating,jesuit agent in your eyes.

Oh the irony 

[Livefreeordie]

Yes, I am a stalker Livefreeordie 'cause I'm secretly obsessed and in love with you. 

I've noticed Sub. You do know Homosexuality is a Sin, right?   

[Sub-X]

I've noticed Sub. You do know Homosexuality is a Sin, right?   

More falsehoods,insults and now changing my quotes to fit your own agenda,and you accused me of being immature, LMFAO  ,as we say here Livefree you are truly a gobshite 

Have you not noticed the lack of back up from your fellow Christians Livefree ,have you not wondered about that ,forsaken, you must know that word,it comes up in the bible a bit,its because you are a disgrace to fellow Christians and they are embarrassed my friend,as I am and I'm not even a Christian 

You mock the very memory of Jesus by continually claiming your a Christian,when obviously by your own actions you are not,but you keep setting them up and ill keeping laughing at the hypocrisy of you calling yourself a Christian.
Ill say it again Livefree,if you are what Christianity has to offer,its a lost cause I'm afraid,for shame.
 

[φυδγε]

Livefreeordie - and I hope the latter.

I'll play your little truth game.

I hate Christ and I hate you.

Take your little book and cram it up your tight ass. 

You are the true evil here.

PS - since you are so stupid, most ppl hate you in the public arena, just as dogmadedestroyer pointed out.

Sub-x and dogmadedestoryer - you two are the only reason I come back and read the posts.  Sorry I don't share anymore -

but I've had enough of these nazi born and bred Christians on here who defecate on anything resembling the truth, but like the monkeys these Christians are - they eat their own poop afterwards.  Freud called it anal retentive.

livefreeordie - please fall off the nearest curb ASAP.

[dogmadestroyer]

Livefreeordie - and I hope the latter.

I'll play your little truth game.

I hate Christ and I hate you.

Take your little book and cram it up your tight ass. 

You are the true evil here.

PS - since you are so stupid, most ppl hate you in the public arena, just as dogmadedestroyer pointed out.

Sub-x and dogmadedestoryer - you two are the only reason I come back and read the posts.  Sorry I don't share anymore -

but I've had enough of these nazi born and bred Christians on here who defecate on anything resembling the truth, but like the monkeys these Christians are - they eat their own poop afterwards.  Freud called it anal retentive.

livefreeordie - please fall off the nearest curb ASAP.

Amen brother!

This entire thread has proved exactly why Christianity must be divorced from the Truth Movement. The article has been proven correct.

Livefree, thank you for providing an example to us all.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

what comes first, freedom, or religion?

[Byrne0ut]

i say freedom.

[dogmadestroyer]

Undoubtedly freedom!

[Livefreeordie]

I hate Christ and I hate you.

Thanks! Christ and I both love you. 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

are we free on account of what religion we are? or does freedom enable all to have religion?

there is the reason why the church was seperated from the state.

its not complicated, to deny otherwise is simply to believe in a theocracy. you have three choices, theocracy, totalitarianism, or freedom. so choose.

[ummagumma]

thank you for providing an example to us all.

Nearly everyone I know claims to have heard your voice
And every time they do, I know I should rejoice
Because one day I'm sure you’ll break your silence
And speak just to me
But I feel like time's running out
My heart is, my heart is filling with doubt

And god said...

I don't dwell upon you, I dwell on something else
I am not really here, so get over your self

I've tried to follow every rule they said you handed down
And spread the sacred testimony all around
But still the others seem to have your ear but never will I
Have I displeased you somehow?
Can't help, can't help feeling left out

And god said...

There's no anger in me, you must mean someone else
Cause it's not me that you see, you're looking at yourself
And I won't give you a prize instead of someone else
Cause I don't play favorites, so get over yourself


Just get over get over get over get over

Is it my fear, is it my pride, is it my vanity?
Should your name just be denied to save my sanity?
What is the price I need to pay to have what others seem to grasp so easily?
Pity your servant your slave
Who'll kiss, who'll kiss your feet to be saved
Save me, save me

God said...

You are not serving me, you're serving something else
Cause I don't need to be pleased, just get over yourself
You can't suck up, up to me, I know you all too well
But I don't dwell upon you, so get over yourself
Cause you're not praying to me, you're praying to yourself
And you're not worshipping me, you're worshipping yourself
And you will kill in my name and heaven knows what else
When you can't prove I exist, so get over yourself


Just get over get over get over get over yourself

T.R.

[Livefreeordie]

This entire thread has proved exactly why Christianity must be divorced from the Truth Movement.

And how about Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell, do they get a free pass? 

How biased and what a hypocrite you really are!

[dogmadestroyer]

are we free on account of what religion we are? or does freedom enable all to have religion?

there is the reason why the church was seperated from the state.

its not complicated, to deny otherwise is simply to believe in a theocracy. you have three choices, theocracy, totalitarianism, or freedom. so choose.

I'd say that's only two choices. Theocracy is just totalitarianism on a deeper level despite what little liberties are allowed.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

And how about Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell, do they get a free pass? 

How biased and what a hypocrite you really are!

when did i endorse zeitgiest or jordon maxwell? this applies to them as much as bible thumping christians. get it? i'll repeat that just in case. jordon maxwell and zeitgiest are no more in the right than forceful christians.

why do i get the feeling you're not going to get this...

[Livefreeordie]

what comes first, freedom, or religion?

Who gave this Country freedom? God or George Washington? The Continental Congress perhaps?

This question is for people who believe in God, so Atheists please refrain from answering this question please. 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

I'd say that's only two choices. Theocracy is just totalitarianism on a deeper level despite what little liberties are allowed.

i know what you're gettting at, but i still consider theocracy different from totalitarianism, although, they are just different types i admit.

[dogmadestroyer]

And how about Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell, do they get a free pass? 

How biased and what a hypocrite you really are!

No, if you disagree with them then there is talking it out. There is something which acedemia uses called the peer review system wherein they analyze one's work and write back and forth. Through this, problems are weeded out. However, whereas people like Jordan and others have entertained problems with analysis (for instance, Jordan had alot of problems with Zeitgeist part 1) the christians only seem to react. Then they spew forth an unending deluge of bible verses and circular arguements which wouldn't hold up in a moderate peer review system. People like Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion have been wrong before and I've called them on it, they're human. This belief that one book embodies flawlessness no matter what religion is always the antithesis of truth because they use the book in an attempt to prove the book others question. This follows no line of logic.

I hope that clears it up for you.  

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Who gave this Country freedom? God or George Washington? The Continental Congress perhaps?

This question is for people who believe in God, so Atheists please refrain from answering this question please. 

i am not an athiest, i believe in god...just not your god.

and the freedom of the US was secured by the people who were willing to fight for it.

the constitution and the bill of rights says that we are blessed with intrinsic rights from our creator. it doesnt say that unless you believe in the god of the bible, then your rights are different from other religions.

[Livefreeordie]

when did i endorse zeitgiest or jordon maxwell? this applies to them as much as bible thumping christians. get it? i'll repeat that just in case. jordon maxwell and zeitgiest are no more in the right than forceful christians.

why do i get the feeling you're not going to get this...

What makes you think that I'm talking about you? I never said anyone endorsed that garbage, I'm stating my opinion, like everyone else does on here.

And I appreciate someone finally recognizing that this isn't only about Christ, this is about Zeitgeist and Maxwell..............KEEP THAT CRAP OUT OF THIS MOVEMENT AND I'LL BE FINE........................GET IT YET? That was my whole point of this thread but some how it go turned into more Christ bashing and the Christians are mean, ridiculous!

[Livefreeordie]

i am not an athiest, i believe in god...just not your god.

and the freedom of the US was secured by the people who were willing to fight for it.

the constitution and the bill of rights says that we are blessed with intrinsic rights from our creator. it doesnt say that unless you believe in the god of the bible, then your rights are different from other religions.

So you believe in God but you believe it was the people who gave themselves the freedom?

Ok, thanks for your response. 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

What makes you think that I'm talking about you?

well, if you have to ask,

"And how about Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell, do they get a free pass?  

How biased and what a hypocrite you really are!"

i am a hypocrite because i allow maxwell and zeitgiest but dont allow christians like you.

now show me where i said that.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

So you believe in God but you believe it was the people who gave themselves the freedom?

Ok, thanks for your response. 

yes, they fought for it, and they aquired it. again, what god do you think is meant by "creator"? your god? my god?

think about it.

[LIbertAS]

You have a Thomas Paine quote, that is odd considering the nature of this thread.

Here is my opinion, let people have freedom to fight the NWO their own way (Christian or not), sounds simple and sticks to the Agenda called Freedom. JMO hammer away Live"Free".

 

[Livefreeordie]

No, if you disagree with them then there is talking it out. There is something which acedemia uses called the peer review system wherein they analyze one's work and write back and forth. Through this, problems are weeded out. However, whereas people like Jordan and others have entertained problems with analysis (for instance, Jordan had alot of problems with Zeitgeist part 1) the christians only seem to react. Then they spew forth an unending deluge of bible verses and circular arguements which wouldn't hold up in a moderate peer review system. People like Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion have been wrong before and I've called them on it, they're human. This belief that one book embodies flawlessness no matter what religion is always the antithesis of truth because they use the book in an attempt to prove the book others question. This follows no line of logic.

I hope that clears it up for you. 

I never heard Jordan say he had problems with Zeitgeist part 1. Do you have any evidence of this claim, I'd love to see some?

Again, I don't know how many times I have to say this, Jesus Christ is NOT a Religion, that's exactly where and how Christ got corrupted by men.

He is a personal relationship with each individual who receives Him as Saviour. Exactly how can a actual person be a Religion?

Religions are of the Debil, bottom line. Christ is NOT a Religion, PRAISE THE LORD!

BTW, Zeitgeist part one has been refuted, destroyed and obliterated so lets not even go there.

Zeitgeist challenge anyone? $250.00 for anyone who can prove their claims in part 1.
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

[Livefreeordie]

You have a Thomas Paine quote, that is odd considering the nature of this thread.

Here is my opinion, let people have freedom to fight the NWO their own way (Christian or not), sounds simple and sticks to the Agenda called Freedom. JMO hammer away Live"Free".

 

Just because Thomas Paine is an Atheist doesn't mean I hate him, you guys are labeling me wrong.

I also have Ben Franklin in my Avatar quote, does that mean I hate Christians? Ben Franklin was not a Christian either, that doesn't mean he was my enemy.

Geez guys, I don't hate anyone, we're just debating, relax. 

BTW, thanks for the post, Bro! 

[Livefreeordie]

well, if you have to ask,

"And how about Zeitgeist and Jordan Maxwell, do they get a free pass? 

How biased and what a hypocrite you really are!"

i am a hypocrite because i allow maxwell and zeitgiest but dont allow christians like you.

now show me where i said that.

LOL, if you will look at the post, you will see it was not directed at you my friend, was it?   

[φυδγε]

.............KEEP THAT CRAP OUT OF THIS MOVEMENT AND I'LL BE FINE........................GET IT YET?

livefreeorwhatever (you joke of a man)

I don't care what crap you speak of.  You are nobody with no authority in any matter.  The movement doesn't care about you or your faux ultimatums. 

Are you the rule here?  Not even close.  If you never posted again, no one would even notice. 

You are nobody in this world and you have no authority anywhere except in your small and pathetic circle of friends (I doubt you have any).

What you type, say, and believe has no influence on anybody.  Nobody here cares about you or what you believe.

Rather you are pathetic like a catemite or a heterai.  Indeed you are a female prostitute and the men in your life use you for their gains.

what a little girl you are.

You are false consciousness.  You are un-enlightenment.  You are a sleeper.  Your ignorance helps people die, keeps them enslaved.  You  are a minion for evil. 

You are nothing, you have nothing, you will happily return to nothing.

irrelevant you are and silly too.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

livefreeorwhatever (you joke of a man)

I don't care what crap you speak of.  You are nobody with no authority in any matter.  The movement doesn't care about you or your faux ultimatums. 

Are you the rule here?  Not even close.  If you never posted again, no one would even notice. 

You are nobody in this world and you have no authority anywhere except in your small and pathetic circle of friends (I doubt you have any).

What you type, say, and believe has no influence on anybody.  Nobody here cares about you or what you believe.

Rather you are pathetic like a catemite or a heterai.  Indeed you are a female prostitute and the men in your life use you for their gains.

what a little girl you are.

You are false consciousness.  You are un-enlightenment.  You are a sleeper.  Your ignorance helps people die, keeps them enslaved.  You  are a minion for evil. 

You are nothing, you have nothing, you will happily return to nothing.

irrelevant you are and silly too.

innapropriate and no better than that you wish to refute.

its like,

-"you moron"
      -"is all you can do insult me, you idiot"

do you see?

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

LOL, if you will look at the post, you will see it was not directed at you my friend, was it?   

ok, so show us where the OP said it...

the point remains valid. the aim of the article was to say both sides of the coin are wrong.

to refute or to support the leading of a personal believe in the truth movement is just as bad as each other.

[Livefreeordie]

livefreeorwhatever (you joke of a man)

I don't care what crap you speak of.  You are nobody with no authority in any matter.  The movement doesn't care about you or your faux ultimatums. 

Are you the rule here?  Not even close.  If you never posted again, no one would even notice. 

You are nobody in this world and you have no authority anywhere except in your small and pathetic circle of friends (I doubt you have any).

What you type, say, and believe has no influence on anybody.  Nobody here cares about you or what you believe.

Rather you are pathetic like a catemite or a heterai.  Indeed you are a female prostitute and the men in your life use you for their gains.

what a little girl you are.

You are false consciousness.  You are un-enlightenment.  You are a sleeper.  Your ignorance helps people die, keeps them enslaved.  You  are a minion for evil. 

You are nothing, you have nothing, you will happily return to nothing.

irrelevant you are and silly too.

LOL, I am posting my opinions and my beliefs, if this is not acceptable to you and you just want to throw cheap shots, more power to ya, but I have a right to voice my opinion, just as the rest of you do, no matter how many of you gang up on me.    

It is pretty obvious I hit a powder keg with this one so I'll make sure I don't walk in your neighborhood past curfew. 

BTW, I still love you, no matter what, friend! 

[LIbertAS]

Just as you have used Thomas Paine's quote as inspiration even though he was not Christian, you accept him correct?

That is what we all should do IMO. If ever in a foxhole fighting for the last time I do not care what the person next to me believes in as long as his or her's guns are aimed the same way mine are. Peace.