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Christian men and the church. Boring, passive and femmine. Anyone else think the church is to femmine? Christian men are weak and passive and they have to be nice.
What happened to the men of zeal who where dangerous warriors of Christ? He was a warrior, he was a perfect balance of tender and tough. To many weak men making me sick. No wonder the world has such a warped view of manhood. The church isn't offering anything better, so why go there?
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2007, 06:56:24 AM » |
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While I'll agree you have made an observation that is basically true, your point, to me, is slightly off base as an apparent result of not fully understanding the Christian mindset.
The Christian male, and female, are compelled by their very belief that their savior, Jesus Christ, told them they must "turn the other cheek". To understand why, one must understand why this is a complete opposite position of what the Jewish faith had been telling them for centuries (eye for an eye).
Judaisn calls for retribution, whereas Christianity calls for passification. Those warriors you speak of, they were NOT acting according to the doctrines of Jesus, period. They were acting under the guise of faith, but it was at the demands and misinformation of religious leaders (Catholic Church, etc). For many centuries, the masses not only were illiterate, they were under the ruthless control of very few who did know how to read, and thus they had no choice but to trust the ruling class. Even today, many people can read for themselves, and yet they still rely on leaders to explain what it all means. HUGE mistake!
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When in politics and faced with two men who are both evil, do you choose the lesser of those two evils? NO! Execute them both and find someone who is *not* evil.
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2007, 01:37:01 PM » |
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While I'll agree you have made an observation that is basically true, your point, to me, is slightly off base as an apparent result of not fully understanding the Christian mindset.
The Christian male, and female, are compelled by their very belief that their savior, Jesus Christ, told them they must "turn the other cheek". To understand why, one must understand why this is a complete opposite position of what the Jewish faith had been telling them for centuries (eye for an eye).
Judaisn calls for retribution, whereas Christianity calls for passification. Those warriors you speak of, they were NOT acting according to the doctrines of Jesus, period. They were acting under the guise of faith, but it was at the demands and misinformation of religious leaders (Catholic Church, etc). For many centuries, the masses not only were illiterate, they were under the ruthless control of very few who did know how to read, and thus they had no choice but to trust the ruling class. Even today, many people can read for themselves, and yet they still rely on leaders to explain what it all means. HUGE mistake!
WOW, I completely disagree. And I think you mistook what I was saying. You don't think Jesus was a passionate warrior? A man of strength. He cast out demons, he took up a whip and chased out the money changers. He was willing to fight, what kind of a man do you think it takes to die on a cross and lift his head? A roman solider changed his mind becuase of the kind of man he saw. Think about that, a Roman solider who was probably used to seeing that sort of thing and being a brutal solider, was changed by this man. Yes, Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but he was also a warrior at heart. God is a fighter. I'm talking about the zeal for God that men once had. To stand up for truth and justice. And fight and do whats right. There is a difference in turning the other cheek and laying down like a dog. I was referring to engaged passive men who simply will not be MEN. They are to busy being lazy and forcing teh women to take leadership. Who did God make the head of the family unit? So why are men slumping off responsibility on the women? Even Christian men are guilty of this. Maybe I read to many books by Edwin L. Cole and John Elderidge? I didn't mean the crusades, I ment men whose heart was in Love with Christ, and were willing to die for him. Jesus said to love him like he loved us, and to love each other like he loved us, and he died for us. Thats what I'm talking about. Tender and Tough. I like to think of Steel draped in Velvet. Make sense? |
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2007, 01:42:53 PM » |
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turn the other cheek. eye for an eye.
feed the hungry. i am not my brother's keeper.
etc etc etc.
2 + 2 = 5
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2007, 02:32:52 PM » |
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Okay, your saying that you feel Christian men somehow lack a passionate belief. That is an unfair blanket statement, and I'd like to know based on what facts you come to this conclusion? While it is true that with any group you choose, there is a percentage that lack passion, and are apathetic. I agree with that. But, to say "Christian men are weak and passive" is unfair, and there are a legion of male believers that would show you just how passionate, and how much of a man they are.
So, no, I do not agree with your claim the Church is too feminine. I support your belief there needs to be passion, and a willingness to stand up for their faith, but to say all are not is out of line.
I can't help myself. I have to comment; you should purchase a dictionary! Posting rants about other people lacks weight when you can't even spell. At least use Dictionary.com for crying out loud.
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In the end, all that's left is the truth! - Bossgator
When in politics and faced with two men who are both evil, do you choose the lesser of those two evils? NO! Execute them both and find someone who is *not* evil.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2007, 02:39:24 PM » |
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I'm sorry you're a grammar NAZI.
This thread is rated PG - POOR GRAMMAR
No harm intended, my girlfriend says the same thing in every email. She's a english major. Think I'd learn a thing or two.
Not all men, but most of the church. Sorry, you apparently don't fall into that category for defending yourself here. You have to agree, we need more men to stand up and take some action. Maybe it's just my part of the world where I'm seeing man after man who simply won't engage in his faith.
God hates lukewarm people, read revelations, he'll spew them from his mouth.
Those who lean always seem to out number those who lift.
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2007, 02:39:35 PM » |
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And all atheists are cross-dressing male prostitutes. We have balance...  |
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Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than going to a hospital makes you a doctor.
Stop thinking in terms of left and right and start thinking in terms of right and wrong
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2007, 02:42:07 PM » |
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And all atheists are cross-dressing male prostitutes. We have balance... Was one for awhile. I should clarify that statement, I was an atheist. Bossgator, I'll agree we have different points. Still good to hear your view brother. Maybe there is hope. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2007, 02:51:35 PM » |
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No worries! Texting "shorthand" has, only in my opinion, gotten out of control, and seems it is more and more being used in all communications.
Yep, your right, God does say he has no tolerance for lukewarm. As for me? I'm not lukewarm, I'm stone cold, as I don't believe in Christianity, but that's another story! Those that do, more power to them.
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In the end, all that's left is the truth! - Bossgator
When in politics and faced with two men who are both evil, do you choose the lesser of those two evils? NO! Execute them both and find someone who is *not* evil.
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 03:09:29 PM » |
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No worries! Texting "shorthand" has, only in my opinion, gotten out of control, and seems it is more and more being used in all communications.
Yep, your right, God does say he has no tolerance for lukewarm. As for me? I'm not lukewarm, I'm stone cold, as I don't believe in Christianity, but that's another story! Those that do, more power to them.
What do you believe in? I thought for sure you did based on your statements. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 05:21:23 PM » |
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mikekey.com said, quote: I'm talking about the zeal for God that men once had. To stand up for truth and justice. And fight and do whats right.
That "zeal for God" is what caused so much bloodshed and murder. Ever read the old testament? God orders murder, bloodshed, rape etc....
How you can follow such a God is beyond me, and the crusaders all cried, "God is on our side" it's no different today. Everyone seems to shout, "God is on our side" no matter which God, or which Allah... or which Religion.
If God was so passionate, such a fighter, etc.. as you say, then why doesn't HE stop all this bloodshed right here and now? Why always this waiting for Jesus to return while millions of innocent people die, get killed, or people in church get killed during an earth quake etc??? you get the picture.
No, God does not work in mysterious ways, and no, we just don't understand God, and why He does what he does, all man made excuses and delusions...
If you want to fight for your "constitutional rights" do it because you believe in yourselves, in your rights, in your freedom, and no God is going to help you my friends, just like He didn't help the Jews in the holocaust etc... etc.... etc.....
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 10:36:57 PM » |
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mikekey.com said, quote: I'm talking about the zeal for God that men once had. To stand up for truth and justice. And fight and do whats right.
That "zeal for God" is what caused so much bloodshed and murder. Ever read the old testament? God orders murder, bloodshed, rape etc....
How you can follow such a God is beyond me, and the crusaders all cried, "God is on our side" it's no different today. Everyone seems to shout, "God is on our side" no matter which God, or which Allah... or which Religion.
If God was so passionate, such a fighter, etc.. as you say, then why doesn't HE stop all this bloodshed right here and now? Why always this waiting for Jesus to return while millions of innocent people die, get killed, or people in church get killed during an earth quake etc??? you get the picture.
No, God does not work in mysterious ways, and no, we just don't understand God, and why He does what he does, all man made excuses and delusions...
If you want to fight for your "constitutional rights" do it because you believe in yourselves, in your rights, in your freedom, and no God is going to help you my friends, just like He didn't help the Jews in the holocaust etc... etc.... etc.....
Really, I'm not running around killing anyone. I haven't protested with any "God hates gays" signs. Last idiot doing that, I punched. If you really want me to explain why God lets shit happen, you're going to have to allow me to make a long statement. GOD DOESN'T work in mysterious ways. I don't know who came up with that, but its a load of crap. His WAYS are made to be known. You're right, I'm delusional, and I am just coming up with excuses for being weak and unable to accept reality. That I'm going to die? I do believe in myself and all that you mentioned. And my God will help me. And if you understood the disconnect with the Jews, you'd know he turned his back on them until the day when he would gather them back in his sight. (This is theology and debatable, I contest) The Jews are still around, a lot of others have come and gone, seems to me like God has preserved his people like he promised. Thats really all he promised, that their people would be many and always be here. (Mike Summary) You sound almost mad at God for not doing something in your life? I didn't believe in God, and I used to do the same thing to Christians. And I didn't come to him becuase I was weak and looking for an excuse to my self made problems. I don't really need anymore replies. I'd like to keep it civil. |
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