Flt 93 phone calls

[jimd3100]

According to this FBI declassified report the famous phone call from Mark Bingman (you believe me don't you) was made from an airphone...not a cell phone.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-19-FBI-FD302-mark-kendall-bingham2.pdf

and the "you believe me don't you" was in reference to the plane being hijacked.

Frankly I"ve never seen evidence the calls were faked. But I am puzzled by one thing.....

Todd Beamer and his cell phone.

According to this declassified FBI report Beamer also used an airphone, although he had a cellular phone on him.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-FD302-todd-beamer-mrs.pdf

Now the part I am confused on...according to this declassified FBI report they list the calls made on T Beamers cell phone on 9/11....

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-29-FBI-phone-records.pdf

And it looks to me like calls were being made all day long into the early evening to Woodbridge NJ    am I seeing this wrong? WTF?

[Freeski]

Wasn't Beamer the guy who said: "Hi mom, it's me, Todd beamer"?

[jimd3100]

Wasn't Beamer the guy who said: "Hi mom, it's me, Todd beamer"?

That was Bingham  they mention that in the report...
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-19-FBI-FD302-mark-kendall-bingham2.pdf

[darsie]

All these calls are fake - they were part of the sophisticated psych-ops that accompanied the 9/11 operation. The calls were morphed - i.e. they were constructed from tiny fragments of original voice recordings captured before 9/11.

[Freeski]

"And it looks to me like calls were being made all day long into the early evening to Woodbridge NJ    am I seeing this wrong? WTF?"

I see that too. That's one tough cellphone.

So how do we know these reports are even legit/from the FBI?

[Freeski]

All these calls are fake - they were part of the sophisticated psych-ops that accompanied the 9/11 operation. The calls were morphed - i.e. they were constructed from tiny fragments of original voice recordings captured before 9/11.

So if all of the related/supporting bits are fakes, then the Verizon Wireless Call Detail Records (CDR) is a forgery too? And if so, and if Jimd3100's note re calls all day and into the evening is right (which I see too), then this would be a major screw up in that forgery. They forgot to end the calls when the plane went down.

Unless these released docs are themselves forgeries, and not from the FBI, then this would seem to be a major bit of evidence.

Who is Intelfiles, or Intelwire? Are these files real FBI files?

[jimd3100]

So if all of the related/supporting bits are fakes, then the Verizon Wireless Call Detail Records (CDR) is a forgery too? And if so, and if Jimd3100's note re calls all day and into the evening is right (which I see too), then this would be a major screw up in that forgery. They forgot to end the calls when the plane went down.

Unless these released docs are themselves forgeries, and not from the FBI, then this would seem to be a major bit of evidence.

Who is Intelfiles, or Intelwire? Are these files real FBI files?

I'm pretty sure this is legit. They come from this site...
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/index.html
The guy that runs the site, BTW from what I've seen in interviews for the most part believes the official version of 9/11. But from what I've seen he's pretty open minded........anyway, I emailed him to ask what his take on the Beamer cell phone calls are....maybe he will respond.

[Freeski]

I'm pretty sure this is legit. They come from this site...
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/index.html
The guy that runs the site, BTW from what I've seen in interviews for the most part believes the official version of 9/11. But from what I've seen he's pretty open minded........anyway, I emailed him to ask what his take on the bingham cell phone calls are....maybe he will respond.

It'll be interesting to see if he responds but his response also seems like a moot point - if Beamer's cell phone, which was on flight 93, continued to make calls after the crash, then either that phone got off the plane or the call records are fake. Either way, it seems pretty significant doesn't it?

[jimd3100]

It'll be interesting to see if he responds but his response also seems like a moot point - if Bingham's cell phone, which was on flight 93, continued to make calls after the crash, then either that phone got off the plane or the call records are fake. Either way, it seems pretty significant doesn't it?

Well, that's why I asked for his take on it-if he has one. Was that phone on the plane? Another document suggests it was. Are the call times being reported accurate?
I think it would be interesting to see his take, who knows, he might have an answer, he seems to be really into this stuff.

[la Resistance]

I think certain factions of the FBI really want to out the truth (and stick it to the CIA for walking all over them). They just have to be extremely careful how they do it. That means no PP.com or .tv forums unfortunately...

[Freeski]

Excerpts from The Observer: Sunday December 2, 2001

... but posted on The Gaurdian website: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/dec/02/september11.terrorism1

The real story of flight 93

Mark Bingham was last to board the plane, having arrived late and nearly missed the flight. Bingham intrigues because he does not fit the image of the all-American hero quite as neatly as Todd Beamer, a family man from rural New Jersey with a Lord's Prayer bookmark in the Tom Clancy novel he had onboard.

Bingham was gay. He was known and loved on the San Francisco scene, a public relations executive, a graduate of Berkeley. He was a sportsman with, says former employer Holland Cartney, 'a very sensitive, creative side'.

He has become perhaps the first openly gay, great American patriotic idol, and certainly an emblematic figure in the gay community.

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Bingham's call was to his mother was strangely formal: 'This is Mark Bingham,' her son said. Then only: 'I love you,' and he hung up.

(not according to the posted and heavily redacted transcript posted on this thread)

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From Time: "Facing The End": http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010924/vignettes.html

In first-class seat 4D, public relations executive Mark Bingham used an airplane phone to call his mother. "Mom, this is Mark Bingham," he said, so rattled that he included his last name. "Three guys have taken over the plane, and they say they have a bomb."

[Freeski]

I think certain factions of the FBI really want to out the truth (and stick it to the CIA for walking all over them). They just have to be extremely careful how they do it. That means no PP.com or .tv forums unfortunately...

I had a thought the other day that maybe the "NWO" (for lack of a better term) isn't a nice and tidy pyramid of order but rather a bunch of competing crime syndicates, all competing with each other to the death, but all also sharing the resources us lemmings have to offer.

[jimd3100]

Excerpts from The Observer: Sunday December 2, 2001

 Todd Beamer, a family man from rural New Jersey with a Lord's Prayer bookmark in the Tom Clancy novel he had onboard.

Beamer was from Cranbury NJ  which is 25 miles from Woodbridge NJ   if this means anything

[jimd3100]

OK so the guy that runs the site emailed me back--he is being very helpfull, so any accusations that he is a shill or trying to "cover it up" is just stupid. His take on it...I'd like to just copy the email, but is that like bad etiquette? 

Anyway his take is that he believes on the report the incoming calls are actually outgoing calls,...they have it reversed. The reason he believes this is the 21 minute conversation that is reported in the document as incoming, is at 7:43 which he said the famous conversation between Beamer and the airline and was at 8:43-- and that would be an outgoing call. Time zones accounting for the difference. He thinks the woodbridge calls(being incoming instead of outgoing )might be someone-- NTSB possibly, trying to locate the wreckage by calling this phone, or maybe something else.  He also states that "they don’t hesitate to cut out anything they please, so I tend to suspect that anything they release is generally either 1) innocuous or 2) obscure enough that they don’t know it’s important. In this case, the weirdness is not obscure, so I would tend to think it’s probably innocuous. ;-)" 

Now...seems sorta logical kinda I guess....but here is another document about that 21 minute call...it wasn't(it seems) to the airline but to a GTEAirphone operator.
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-FD302-todd-beamer-mrs.pdf
 And at the end of the document it mentions his cell phone.

So to recap...this document shows Beamer cell phone calls...
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-29-FBI-phone-records.pdf

Now that guys explanation sounds somewhat feesable however these documents seems to indicate that he was talking to a gteairphone operator..
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-post-gazette-beamer.pdf
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-FD302-todd-beamer-mrs.pdf

Anyway, I emailed him back asking that doesn't it seem he is using a gte airphone? This is really confusing.



   

[jimd3100]

So the guy from intelwire emails me back about the cell phone gteairphone discrepancey and says, Good point. Also, take a look at this:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091401lisabeamer#a091401lisabeamer

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=todd_beamer

He says, he doesn't really know what to make of it, and to send it to Paul Thompson at Cooperative Research.

[jimd3100]

So maybe this is the explanation...


he might be correct, when he says the outgoing calls are incoming calls, and the incoming calls are outgoing calls.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-29-FBI-phone-records.pdf

The reason being the report is from his carrier, verizon. So when their customer (Beamer) makes outgoing call, it goes to them to send, so to them it is incoming, when someone calls Beamer it goes to them to send to him, so it's outgoing....

The famous conversation was not 21 minutes but 13 minutes.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-post-gazette-beamer.pdf

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-FD302-todd-beamer-mrs.pdf

Call made by gte airphone

The 21 minute call was placed by Beamer at 7:43 just like the time says...he was from Cranbury NJ so he would be on Eastern time. Probably discussing the late plane takeoff, as the plane was supposed to leave at 8:00 but was late and left at 8:42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

So he made no calls on his cell during the flight.

[IridiumKEPfactor]

This could be helpful.

Download the flash presentation file that the government used durring the Moussaoui trial regarding the flights and phone calls.


http://coop.vaed.uscourts.gov/moussaoui/flights.zip

Use their evidence against them.

[shirteesdotnet]

Beamer was from Cranbury NJ  which is 25 miles from Woodbridge NJ   if this means anything

Which is 300 miles away from Shanksville, PA.... Not only is it a tough cell phone, it decided to travel home too.

[Freeski]

So maybe this is the explanation...


he might be correct, when he says the outgoing calls are incoming calls, and the incoming calls are outgoing calls.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-29-FBI-phone-records.pdf

The reason being the report is from his carrier, verizon. So when their customer (Beamer) makes outgoing call, it goes to them to send, so to them it is incoming, when someone calls Beamer it goes to them to send to him, so it's outgoing....

The famous conversation was not 21 minutes but 13 minutes.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-post-gazette-beamer.pdf

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-22-FBI-FD302-todd-beamer-mrs.pdf

Call made by gte airphone

The 21 minute call was placed by Beamer at 7:43 just like the time says...he was from Cranbury NJ so he would be on Eastern time. Probably discussing the late plane takeoff, as the plane was supposed to leave at 8:00 but was late and left at 8:42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

So he made no calls on his cell during the flight.

Hmmm... outgoing calls are incoming calls and incoming calls are outgoing calls. I guess that makes sense, although a little Orwellian.

[jimd3100]

Some odd things concerning Thomas Burnett's phone calls to his wife while he was on board flight 93. He made the first call as the hijacking was happening.


According to the Moussaoui  trial transcripts concerning Thomas Burnett's phone calls to his wife......

"Would you tell us who that caller was.
 A. Yes, sir, this is Thomas Burnett, Jr. Records, airphone records indicate that Mr. Burnett made three phone calls from rows 24 A, B, and C and 25 A, B, and C. However, Thomas's wife, Deena, reported that there may have been additional cell phone calls made to her.
 Q. So, she spoke to her husband repeatedly that day, is that
 correct?
 A. Yes, sir."
http://www.911myths.com/images/f/f8/Moussaoui_Trial_Transcript_April_11_2006.pdf

But this FBI document concerning their interview with his wife, seems to suggest that all these calls were cell phone calls......

"Starting at approximately 6:30 a.m. (PST) BURNETT received
a series of three to five cellular phone calls from her husband,
THOMAS EDWARD BURNETT JR. THOMAS BURNETT was talking quietly and
told his wife that the flight he was on had been hijacked."

"Approximately five minutes later she received another cell phone call from her husband. BURNETT was able to determine that her husband was using his own cellular telephone because the caller identification showed his number, Only one of the calls did not show on the caller identification as she was on the line with another call. THOMAS BURNETT advised his wife in this call that the passenger that had been knifed had died. He told her "they" were in the cockpit."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-11-FBI-FD302-deena-lynne-burnett.pdf

BTW on the other line with that call was her talking to the FBI who she called immediately after the first call from her husband.

Maybe he was making cell phone calls, and airphone calls, but this looks like they were all cell phone calls. Also according to these calls, the decision to crash the plane to the ground, was made before any passenger revolt, although I don't know how he would know this......

"THOMAS BURNETT mentioned during this conversation that the hijackers were talking about flying the plane into the ground, location not specified."

"During the last call to-his wife BURNETT told her "a group of us are getting ready to do something" and he may not speak to her again."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-11-FBI-FD302-deena-lynne-burnett.pdf

"The hijackers, Tom said, were talking about crashing the plane into the ground. "We have to do something." page 111
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060099089/centerforcoop-20#

Then there is this from the recently released notes of the 9/11 commission.....

"She lost her husband Tom Burnett on UAL flight 93. He was a first class passenger on the flight. She confirmed she spoke to her husband four separate times from the plane."

"The call Burnett made from the cell phone did not show up on the cell phone bill, neither did the one he placed to his secretary before take-off."

"Burnett spoke with his friend Charles from England before take-off. He mentioned the flight was delayed but did not give a reason."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00260.pdf

Which cell phone call? According to his wife they were all cell phone calls, and according to the court transcripts they were mostly airphone calls.

My own personal opinion is the phone calls were all real and this is just an irrelevant wild goose chase, thats just me, but I have to admit...... WTF?

[Freeski]

No matter what, it's good to get this posted for future research/evidence. Like the timelines, it's critical to record EVERYTHING that is said and reported in order to confirm or contest the minutiae.