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« on: April 24, 2008, 02:18:13 PM »

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2000/02/foo.html

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Some rock stars want to free Tibet. Others want to save Mumia. The Foo Fighters, on the other hand, want their fans to ignore accepted medical wisdom about AIDS.

The multimillion-album-selling alternative rock outfit has thrown its weight behind Alive and Well, an "alternative AIDS information group" that denies any link between HIV and AIDS. In January, Foo Fighters bassist Nate Mendel helped organize a sold-out concert in Hollywood to benefit the group. Foo fans were treated to a speech by Alive and Well founder Christine Maggiore, who believes AIDS may be caused by HIV-related medications, anal sex, stress, and drug use, and implies that people should not get tested for HIV nor take medications to counter the virus. Free copies of Maggiore's self-published book, "What If Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong?," in which she declares "there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS," were also passed out to the concert-goers.

HIV experts are alarmed by the possible impact of the Foo Fighters' embrace of Maggiore's theories on their potentially gullible young fans.

"Clearly, more research is needed on the factors that contribute to HIV infection and the development of AIDS," says Dorcus Crumbley of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for HIV, STD, and TB Prevention. "However, the conclusions of more than two decades of epidemiologic, virologic, and medical research are that HIV infection is transmissible through sexual contact, injecting drug use, perinatally, and from receiving blood or blood products ... (and) the scientific evidence is overwhelming that HIV is the cause of AIDS."

Adds Crumbley: "The myth that HIV is not the primary cause of AIDS ... could cause (HIV-positive people) to reject treatment critical for their own health and for preventing transmission to others."

"When it comes to such a complex health topic, it behooves the band to have really researched what they are endorsing," says Diane Tanaka, an attending physician at the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, where she works with a large population of high-risk and HIV-infected low-income youth. "(The Foo Fighters) have a big responsibility in terms of (their) public role and the impact that they can have on young people. Is this band willing to take responsibility for a young person engaging in risky, unprotected sex because of information they've gotten from the (Foo Fighters) or from Alive and Well?"

Alive and Well is one of several fringe groups that deny a link between HIV and AIDS. Similar theories have been put forth over the years by various far-right groups and anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists, and other so-called "HIV-refuseniks."

"Your risk of being hit by lightning is greater than that of contracting HIV through a one-time random sexual contact with someone you don't know here in America," says Maggiore, an HIV-positive Southern California resident with no formal training in medicine or the sciences. "And if (a young person) were to get a positive diagnosis, that does not mean they've been infected with HIV." The HIV-AIDS connection, maintains Maggiore, has been promoted by greedy drug companies.

Mendel says he was won over by Maggiore's book, and passed it around to the rest of the band, which includes former Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl. Mendel says that he would steer anyone considering an HIV antibody test toward Maggiore's group.

"If you test positive, you are pretty much given a bleak outlook and told to take toxic drugs to possibly ward off new infections," says Mendel.

With the other band members on board, Mendel aims to use the Foo Fighters' celebrity to get the message out to a broad audience. The Foo Fighters plan additional benefit shows, and have placed a banner ad on their Web site linking to Alive and Well. Mendel says that he does not have HIV, nor does he have any friends with HIV besides Maggiore, who has remained asymptomatic.

The most recent numbers from the Joint United Nations' HIV/AIDS Program estimate that 16.3 million people worldwide have died of AIDS-related causes since 1981. Medical research in the United States indicates that as many as 25 percent of the nation's estimated 40,000 annual HIV infections occur among 13- to 21-year-olds. Maggiore, however, maintains that worldwide HIV infections and AIDS deaths are exaggerated by the CDC and the World Health Organization, even in regions like sub-Saharan Africa, where two-thirds of the world's HIV-infected people live.

Maggiore's message has apparently penetrated the minds of at least some Foo aficionados. She says she has heard from many Foo fans since the show -- one of whom, she says, now works at the Alive and Well office.

"AIDS is a toxic disease caused by either long-term recreational drug abuse or short-term anti-HIV medications," writes a 22-year-old member of the Alive and Well-affiliated Students Reappraising AIDS on the Foo Fighters' Web-based message board. "HIV is not spread sexually, nor is it the cause of any disease."

Other fans are less impressed. Damian Purdy, a 21-year-old Winnipeg, Canada resident and devoted Foo Fighters fan, is outraged by the band's position. "By supporting this, the Foo Fighters have entered an arena that they have no business being in. The truth is that a rock concert is not the appropriate platform for these views to be expressed. I think the Foo Fighters have more influence than they realize," he says.

For his part, Mendel remains convinced that the media and the medical establishment are keeping the truth about HIV and AIDS from the public. The Foo Fighters, he insists, will continue to use their celebrity to bring "light to the issue."

Is he worried that the group might be endangering the lives of some of its listeners?

"I'm absolutely confident that I'm doing the right thing," Mendel answers. "No, I wouldn't feel responsible for possibly harming somebody. I (feel) I'm doing the opposite."

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Man, I had a feeling that the Foo Fighters were onto this truth stuff. Think about the suspicious death of Kurt Cobain, Alex Jones' promotion of the band. I have a feeling they know a lot.

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 02:21:30 PM »

Also, note the article's use of the term, "anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists". It's just a complete attempt at marginalisation...! Putting the two most hated terms in society. It appeals to the blind-anti-racist and anti-conspiracy-theory groups of morons in society.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 02:24:18 PM »

Well I question the accepted theory of HIV and AIDS, but I'm not sure I agree with this group's position, it sounds like a scam to sell books to me....
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 02:55:55 PM »

This article is pretty old, I thought dissidents were nuts until I saw the Film HIv fact or fraud
http://www.archive.org/details/aids_scam


Duesberg makes many good points, they extended the window period from 10 months to ten years when no one got sick, they inoculated over a hundered chimps and they are still alive after 20 years, the virus is in only like 1/1000 cells etc,

The real causes of AIDS is probably the cell killing chemo drug AZT, being high on drugs and not sleeping can also wreck your immunity, also the army has a patent called "pathogenic mycoplasma" in which their pathologist Shyh Ching Lo killed every animal he inoculated. http://www.projectdaylily.com/    is the Nicolsons barely fictionilized version of what happened to them when they found in the blood of sick GWI vets and realized they uncovered a massive black op.

In Africa AIDS is probably the same old diseases like malnutrition, TB, malaria, dirty water etc, its all a scam.


On the foo Fighters, if you look at alex's myspace page they are listed on the front page on his freind list, and ALex has been hinting there are rock groups that know about 9/11 and are thinking about speaking out, they are probably one of them

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 08:24:38 PM »

Well I question the accepted theory of HIV and AIDS, but I'm not sure I agree with this group's position, it sounds like a scam to sell books to me....


Well, even if you were sure and completely disagreed with their position, SO WHAT? Who are you and what have you done to advance your position besides typing on a forum? These guys believe what they believe (and have very good reason to) and they go out and use their resources to educate the sex-scared sheeple (and if you were an adolescent or older in the mid-80s, you'll remember the AIDS scare was bigger than ANYTHING....it totally screwed up your social life because everyone was so frickin' paranoid.....). Those that can, do. Those that can't bitch on the internet.

It's no different than saying 911 Truth is a scam to sell T-shirts and DVDs, correct?
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 08:30:02 PM »

I am not an expert, but the old dogma used to be HIV = AIDS = Death.  But Majic Johnson has been HIV + for like 15 years now, and I see no discussion in the MSM of why.  HIV may or may not be one factor in AIDS, but it seems something else is as well.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 10:10:36 PM »





    I think I heard it on Rense that there is a cure for AIDS if you have the money to pay for it!!
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 05:33:39 AM »

I am not an expert, but the old dogma used to be HIV = AIDS = Death.  But Majic Johnson has been HIV + for like 15 years now, and I see no discussion in the MSM of why.  HIV may or may not be one factor in AIDS, but it seems something else is as well.
Why act like this is some mystery? Johnson goes around telling people why he is ok. It's not a secret.


Magic Johnson combats AIDS misperceptions
Updated 12/1/2006 1:13 PM ET
By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY
Call it the Magic Paradox. Fifteen years ago, L.A. Laker legend Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS and would retire from basketball. Today, Johnson, 47, looks so healthy some may question whether AIDS is the menace it was made out to be.
That's one of the myths Johnson says he will have to dispel if he's going to succeed in perhaps his most ambitious venture of all, a $60 million partnership with the drug firm Abbott that aims to cut AIDS rates among African-Americans by 50% in the next five years.

AUDIO: Johnson reflects on 15 years with HIV

"You can't take that attitude that you're going to be like Magic," says Johnson, who will launch the I Stand with Magic partnership at a World AIDS Day briefing in Los Angeles on Friday.

"Since I announced 15 years ago, hundreds of thousands of people have died of HIV/AIDS," he says. "There will be more people dying. The virus acts different in all of us. There's no certainty that if you get the virus, you're going to be OK."

In fact, if you're young and black, odds are that you won't be, statistics show. For the past six years, HIV has been the leading cause of death for blacks 25 to 44 years of age, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

For whites, HIV is the fifth-leading cause of death; for Hispanics, HIV ranks fourth. Although blacks make up about 15% of the U.S. population, they account for about 50% of all people in the United States who live with HIV.

Blacks account for almost half of new HIV diagnoses, a tide that is rising. Two-thirds of new infections among women occur in black women. "We've got to drive these numbers down," Johnson says.

Magic strategy

To reach that goal, Johnson and his I Stand with Magic partners will hold an HIV testing drive in 10 to 13 cities each year, sponsor educational programs and advertising, back grass-roots advocacy programs and provide scholarships for doctors willing to staff HIV/AIDS programs in the black community. Getting across the message isn't going to be easy. Despite his best intentions, Johnson can be part of the problem.

"Just last night, I did a seminar with a group of high school girls," Myisha Patterson, 25, national health coordinator for the NAACP, said Thursday. "I had them write down three things they knew about HIV/AIDS. Somebody wrote, 'There's a cure for AIDS. Look at Magic Johnson.' "

Johnson says he's anything but cured. He says he owes his well-being — and quite possibly his life — to the multidrug cocktail he takes everyday.

The drugs, GlaxoSmithKline's Trizivir and Abbott's Kaletra, are standard treatments used by many thousands of others infected with the AIDS virus, HIV.

Johnson can also credit luck and possibly the conditioning that comes from playing up to 100 heart-pounding NBA games a year.

The start of a crusade

The sad irony of the Magic Paradox is that Johnson has worked so hard to raise AIDS awareness among blacks. It had a huge impact on Nov. 7, 1991, when the man who led the Lakers to five NBA titles, called a news conference and said, "Because of the virus I have obtained, I will have to retire from the Lakers today."

At the time, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had tallied about 200,000 full-blown AIDS cases in the United States, one-third of them among blacks. The CDC also reported that 57,879 people had tested positive for the AIDS virus at public clinics, 9,142 of them (16 percent) were heterosexual men and women with multiple sex partners.

Johnson vowed to fight the disease and to become a national spokesman on HIV. He urged young people to practice safe sex, and he pointed out that his plight illustrated beyond a doubt that HIV/AIDS wasn't only a gay disease: "Here I am saying it can happen to anybody, even me, Magic Johnson."

Johnson learned just how mortal he was Oct. 26, 1991.

A routine Associated Press story reported, "Without Magic Johnson, the Lakers lost their exhibition game to the Utah Jazz, 107-103, Friday night at the New Delta Center." The Lakers had attributed his absence to an undisclosed illness.

Shocking discovery

Recalling the events in an interview with USA TODAY, Johnson says team doctor Michael Mellman had summoned him back to Los Angeles without disclosing the reason for the call.

When Johnson arrived in Mellman's office, he got the shock of his life. "He begins to tell me, you know, I have HIV," Johnson says. "I never, ever thought that was what he was calling me back for."

Johnson had been tested as part of a routine examination for a life insurance policy.

He says the next two hours were among the toughest of his life. He worried about his wife, Cookie Kelly, who was two months pregnant, and Mellman couldn't offer much reassurance.

"As I got home," Johnson says, "I was just hoping and praying that she would stay with me. I think that was the main thing. ... As I told her I was HIV-positive she, of course, began to cry and asked me what that meant for (her) and the baby, which I couldn't tell her. But I told her I would understand if she wanted to leave me. You know, right at that time, she hit me so hard upside my head. And then she said, 'Hey, we're going to beat this together.' "

Five days later, Cookie's HIV test came back negative, Johnson says. "Then I started my own journey."

'The face of the disease'

Seeking guidance, the couple visited Elizabeth Glaser, the wife of actor Paul Michael Glaser and founder of the Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. Glaser was infected with HIV in 1981 through a blood transfusion and unwittingly infected her children. She was dying, but she offered words of comfort and asked for something in return.

"She told me you have to become the face of the disease," Johnson says.

His preseason bombshell made headlines worldwide. Phill Wilson, head of the Black AIDS Institute, was the AIDS coordinator for the city of Los Angeles at the time. He says Johnson's announcement shut down his switchboard. "It was the single most powerful event at the time to raise awareness about AIDS in black America," Wilson says.

Kenny Smith, then of the rival Houston Rockets who now works with Johnson on TNT's "Inside the NBA", says, "Before then, people were ostracized, in my estimation, for having the disease. Magic was the person, because his name reached far beyond sports, to make (HIV) acceptable, more a disease than a mark of shame."

The next three years were difficult ones. Johnson missed being on the court, and the side effects of AZT, the only drug available at the time, made it hard for him to exercise. He suffered "mood swings" as a result of the stresses in his life.

To honor his promise to Glaser, he unveiled the Magic Johnson Foundation, dedicated to AIDS-related research and outreach. He also agreed to join President George H.W. Bush's National Commission on AIDS, but his tenure was short because he felt the commission was ineffective. He chose instead to focus his AIDS work through the foundation.

Beyond celebrity

This year, alarmed at the spread of AIDS in the black community, he approached officials at Abbott, because he wanted to attack AIDS in churches and neighborhoods and schools.

His effort coincides with a broader push, launched at the International AIDS Conference in Toronto in August, to draw black leadership in every community into the AIDS fight. "The story of AIDS in America is a story of failed leadership," says Wilson, who is organizing that effort.

Longtime AIDS activists, such as Archbishop Carl Bean of Unity Fellowship Church in Los Angeles, say these leaders will have to take their AIDS war to the streets.

"Celebrity gets people's attention for the moment," he says. "What holds your attention is (what happens) where you live. If you're dealing with people who are impoverished, who might drink a little too much or use drugs and who aren't aware of what they're doing, these are the people we have to reach. If we're going to get to them, we have to get to people they'll listen to."

That's what Johnson has in mind. "We (blacks) make up over 50% of all new cases," he says. "We've got to change that. The only way we can do that is to really get on the ground."
from: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-30-magic-aids_x.htm


Compare this with the foo fighters AIDS expert Mendel...
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Mendel says that he does not have HIV, nor does he have any friends with HIV besides Maggiore, who has remained asymptomatic.

Maybe Magic Johnson knows a little more about HIV and AIDS than Mendel...ya think?
Or believe that Magic is "in on it", or just a big dumb black guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 07:04:07 AM »

Yeh theyve been doing this for a while. look up on youtube 'john safran's music jambouree AIDS' or something like that, should be on there.
John Safran is an awesome AUstralian 'counter-culture' doco maker, look up his clips on youtube, hes done 2 shows JS vs God and JS's music jambouree. especially look up the 15 min pilot he did, Media Tychoon, it was filmed but never screened coz he kinda went thru the rubbish of the aus australian a current affair host (hey, thats what ACA does) he got pretty mad, grabbed John and complained and the show never got shown. but media tychoon is a good one, shows how contrived and manufactured the media is, youtube it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 07:20:28 AM »

HIV-AIDS was bio-enginered in a US lab most probably. Also, no cure for these will ever be found. This was all part of the initial design set-up.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 09:32:30 AM »

Ha, Magic's only alive today because he shunned AZT.  As for now hes a paid drug company man, so he probably towing the party line, even if he is taking the drugs, there's no evidence that he needs them and wouldnt be fine without them, plenty of others have stopped the drugs and been fine.  Youre not supposed to be even on the drugs until you progresss to full blown AIDS, or when your t cell count is around 200, There's no evidence Magic reached this point so hes probably just shilling for the drug company he works for

"Other individuals began to take their health in their own hands rather than rely on medical authority for the "treatment" of HIV. In terms of notoriety, the list is led by one of the nation's top basketball stars, Earvin '"Magic" Johnson. In November 1991, Magic proved to be HIV­positive when he applied for a marriage license. Magic was totally healthy until AIDS specialists Anthony Fauci, from the NIH, David Ho, now director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York, and Magic's personal doctor advised AIDS prophylaxis with AZT. Magic's health changed radically within a few days. The press wrote in December 1991: "Magic Reeling as Worst Nightmare Comes True-He's Getting Sicker." Only after he began taking AZT did Magic's health begin to decline. He "had lost his appetite and suffered from bouts of nausea and fatigue" and complained. "I feel like vomiting almost every day." (107)

But then suddenly Magic's AIDS symptoms disappeared-and so did all further news about his AIDS symptoms and treatment. Had Magic's virus suddenly become harmless, or was Magic taken off AZT? No paper would mention whether Magic was taken off AZT. Nobody knew, except those who joked, "There is no magic in AZT, and there is no AZT in Magic.," Indeed. it is very unlikely that he could have won the Olympics in 1992 on AZT, considering his strong reactions to the toxic drug in 1991. The silence of the AIDS establishment seems to confirm this assumption. Nothing would have been a better advertisement for the troubled AIDS drug than having returned AIDS patient Magic to an Olympic victory. But no such announcement was made. At last Magic broke the silence himself. After a "motivational" AIDS talk in Tallahassee, Florida, in the spring of 1995, Magic responded to a teacher that "He had been taking AZT for a while, but has stopped." (108) The media preferred not to mention the news."

With therapies like this who needs Disease?
Peter Duesberg

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/pdazt.htm
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 10:06:53 AM »

Ha, Magic's only alive today because he shunned AZT.   After a "motivational" AIDS talk in Tallahassee, Florida, in the spring of 1995, Magic responded to a teacher that "He had been taking AZT for a while, but has stopped." (108) The media preferred not to mention the news."

With therapies like this who needs Disease?
Peter Duesberg
Keep showing how stupid you are. You post an article that was written over a decade ago by a guy helping eugenics eliminate undesirables. How does it feel to be manipulated?
Shunned AZT? Compare your 12 year old article with what was written at the end of 2006. .....
Johnson missed being on the court, and the side effects of AZT, the only drug available at the time
Johnson says he's anything but cured. He says he owes his well-being — and quite possibly his life — to the multidrug cocktail he takes everyday.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-30-magic-aids_x.htm

You know just as much about HIV and AIDS as foo fighter Mendel which is Jack S**t.
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Mendel says that he does not have HIV, nor does he have any friends with HIV besides Maggiore
I on the other hand do know people(black people BTW) who have HIV and AIDS and guess what? They didn't take drugs for it and were fine. Until they got sick, real sick, and were wasting away, and I stood right by the bed as the Dr told them they can die or take anti viral drugs to fight HIV and live. Well, they chose to live and just like Magic is going around saying, they worked.

So you can believe Magic, or you can believe Maggiore. Maggiore had a baby while HIV positive and never took anything and they are both fine. And you idiots point to that as proof. But guess what happens? The child is no longer talked about by her or you. Why? Because the child is dead. Dead from AIDS.
The Autopsy report: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/maggiorecoroner.pdf

So go and take your advice on HIV from a dope smoking musician who gets his advice from a mom that killed her own child to be a minor celebrity, and sell a book, or from Magic who is actually saving lives.

Mendel, and you...are so f**kin desperate to attach a "conspiracy to aids", might want to exercise a few brain cells and see what the conspiracy really is.

Take a look around, and notice the groups of people who are being devastated by HIV and AIDS. Where did this virus come from? Who benefits?

You believe the disgusting mother who has a dead child of proof she should be listened to and you will end up just where I have seen others. On their deathbed with a choice. Either please the eugenics who came up with this s**t, and go ahead and die. Or please the drug companies who will be taking your money for the rest of your life and live.

Or believe Magic Johnson who is desperately pleading with the African American community to not get HIV at all, and if you do have it there are drugs that will save you.

How does it feel to be manipulated?


Yea, big f**kin mystery.

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