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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2008, 01:23:33 PM »

I am glad to see that you recognize that at least.

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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2008, 01:31:15 PM »

That's not cool at all but does raise a very important point why is it that ones religion turns them to hate Huh
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2008, 01:45:04 PM »

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Human nature, its easy to hate, hard to love someone who is different from you.
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2008, 01:52:36 PM »

very true, which is why Our Lord calls us to love our enemies, and to love our neighbors as ourselves.  Even Christ himself dined with the pharisees, the tax collectors, the greatest sinners in the land.  He did not go in there and spread a message of hatred and tell them they are all going to hell.  He spread a message of charity which is divine love for another's soul.  Why can't we all follow that example?
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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2008, 02:03:29 PM »

Human nature, its easy to hate, hard to love someone who is different from you.


Good point,but the fact is for those that claim to spread the truth of Christ/God which teaches tolerance,love for your fellow man/woman,respect and forgiving,miss the point completely Huh It defeats the whole purpose and reflects the hypocrisy and proves that people that claim to be saved or to be of God,can treat people like shit because they believe once God forgives them to hell with everyone else.How can people claim that religion is a good thing when it turns people to hate their fellow man/woman because of an opposing view point Huh

 
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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2008, 02:12:24 PM »

Catholicportugalian,
yes I agree there is a problem with some of the fundamentalist protestants here, I am quite sure one or two are agents, but not all of them by any means. And I agree that it is not okay for them to show hatred for Catholics, although I agree more closely with them on matters of Jesuits and a nasty faction within the Vatican.
 
However, there are some overly aggresive and ignorant people who claim to be Christians yet show no Christian love at all, and I am sorry if you have had such hate thrown at you for being a Catholic.

As I say I do not have anything at all against Catholics and view them as a group which have been used by their masters, much the same as the rest of us have been used by various elite groups.
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2008, 02:18:20 PM »

sub-x, it is not religion that leads us to hate, as doktor said it is human nature.  Religion, at least mine, as I just said calls us to love, not to hate.  Some may use that religion to spread a message of hatred, but it is not the religion itself that is to blame.  We are responsible for our thoughts, words, and actions.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

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thank you for that sincere reply.  I don't doubt that you mean it.  And I hope I did not imply that all the protestants in this forum are hateful and mean.  Not all of them are.  Unfortunately too many of them are.  And I know that as time goes on it is only going to get worse, because the anti christ is working his magic throughout the world, spreading more hatred and chaos.  I can only expect things to get much worse for myself.  Even Catholic prophecy says that we will one day have to go into the woods in secret to attend church.  I fear that that time is not far away.  I am only doing what I can to prepare my family and friends for it, and to stand up and defend my faith and try to show people who think we are evil that we are not.  I hope you will continue to repeat what you just said a moment ago to me throughout this forum.
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2008, 02:25:29 PM »

The idea is that Christianity should make you grow in holiness. This doesn't mean you automatically wake up and are perfect. I see all the time Christians getting bashed because they aren't perfect and let me break it to you now, they will probably never be. It is the process of growing that sets them apart.

But anyways, I'm sorry that you received such messages catholicportugalian. You seem like a genuinely nice person. And I hope you don't think anyone that challenges or questions the Catholic church is hateful.
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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2008, 02:31:27 PM »

libertad.  I completely agree with you.  Christianity should make you grow in holiness.  too many protestants believe however that you can sin all you want, so long as you believe in Christ you'll go to Heaven.  I don't think Christ will reward them for bad behavior, do you?  None of us are perfect, but it should be our ultimate goal to strive for perfection.  We have a short prayer we say in my faith "Jesus meek and humble of heart, make our hearts like unto thine."  That is what we strive for.

Thank you for your sentiments and compliments.  I do not in anyway think that everyone who challenges or questions the church is hateful.  I judge them by their comments and actions, not by what they personally believe.  I had many friends in public school who weren't Catholic and who loved me regardless, and they were protestants, jews, buddhists, etc.  Unfortunately, those who are hateful tend to speak out more than those who are kind.  I hope to see more of the kind ones in the future.

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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2008, 02:40:15 PM »

I agree that not everyone who disagrees with the Catholic Church does so in a disrespectful, or hateful way.  But you have to understand, you're equating my Faith with pure evil, and are essentially telling me that I believe in a big lie.  It hurts, especially coming from other brothers and sisters in Christ you know.
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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2008, 02:43:57 PM »

sub-x, it is not religion that leads us to hate, as doktor said it is human nature.  Religion, at least mine, as I just said calls us to love, not to hate.  Some may use that religion to spread a message of hatred, but it is not the religion itself that is to blame.  We are responsible for our thoughts, words, and actions.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

Catholicportugalian I will have disagree with you,because it is on this very forum that you will see the most hate is from religious threads,I myself have had the same treatment for simply asking questions and having an opposing view point.This is not human nature,this is religious hatred.Religion is not to blame or at fault here just "most" of the people that follow it(not all,  but most).
Blaming it on human nature is some what of a cop out.
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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2008, 02:56:07 PM »

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Christianity should make you grow in holiness

The thing is that even if Christianity/religion is suppose to make you grow in holiness, it does not.
Many people  have proved in this forum that they do not accept anything else but their views.
Just look back in history so much war,pain and suffering all due to religious hatred. And yet no one really has seen Jesus, nor God?  Huh
And yet i want to remind you that this is NOT a religious forum, this forum is about the scum that the NWO are. And religious subjects all they do is divide all of us. We cannot let the NWO get away with it, if some insider sheep starts a flaming religious battle.
Frankly i don't care if you believe in god or not, but please don't come to this forum and bible thump to everyone that without religion you're screwed, the Antichrist etc.
The religious question shall never be solved, and we should concentrate on learning more about our enemy the NWO and not who believes what or whatever.  Tongue Cheesy


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A friendly suggestion i am sure you will find better topics to read in General discussion or any other board on this forum.
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This is not the only board on the forum.  Wink



This is not human nature,this is religious hatred.Religion is not to blame or at fault here just "most" of the people that follow it(not all,  but most).




Stop fighting everyone, we all know whom our enemy is.  Tongue Wink Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2008, 03:00:10 PM »

You just said it yourself.  Religion is not to blame, just most of the people that follow it.  I can see very well that most hate is on religious threads, seeing how most of the religious threads are attacking my particular religion and I have been trying to control the damage.  All hate in my opinion comes from the devil himself.  Anyone who has hate in their heart has to have succumbed to the devil's temptations.  I certainly do not hate anyone.  I don't even care to use that word in front of my children, and I might just be one of the most religious people in this forum.  I cannot hate those in this forum who are hateful to me.  I can only feel sorrow for them and pray for their souls.

Wanted.  You cannot say that Christianity has not made one single person grow in holiness.  But I do agree with the rest of your post.

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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2008, 03:06:18 PM »

Catholicportugalian,
I can assure you that I have had many fights with the fundamentalist Christian types on here, to the extent that we tend to avoid each other on this forum just to save ourselves time as once we go at each other then our time disappears into vast amounts of long posts opposing each other's views.
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2008, 03:15:20 PM »

Catholicportugalian,
I can assure you that I have had many fights with the fundamentalist Christian types on here, to the extent that we tend to avoid each other on this forum just to save ourselves time as once we go at each other then our time disappears into vast amounts of long posts opposing each other's views.

how true
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« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2008, 04:06:39 PM »

You just said it yourself.  Religion is not to blame, just most of the people that follow it.  I can see very well that most hate is on religious threads, seeing how most of the religious threads are attacking my particular religion and I have been trying to control the damage.  All hate in my opinion comes from the devil himself.  Anyone who has hate in their heart has to have succumbed to the devil's temptations.  I certainly do not hate anyone.  I don't even care to use that word in front of my children, and I might just be one of the most religious people in this forum.  I cannot hate those in this forum who are hateful to me.  I can only feel sorrow for them and pray for their souls.


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Catholicportugalian it is not your particular religion,it is anything in opposition to other people's view points,but as much as they will try and defend their position you will defend yours and have be lead down the same path.If you believe the things that have been said are not true, then why do you need to defend it,you believe your right,so why the need to defend it Huh
The problem is that religious followers have this pain in the arse need to rub and shove their religion onto other people,regardless,this is where the hate begins,its my gang is better than yours type shit.

Not all people of religion are like this but it is in the majority,and its sad the truth will only be accepted if it falls into their ways of thinking,and when it doesn't it's lies,the work of the devil,NWO propaganda etc.etc. which sad to say both sides in the discussion and others on the forum are guilty of ,all in the name of their religion.

You too wether you realize it or not have fallen into the trap of generalizing anybody in opposition,some of us might not be as bad as others but we are all godless heathens none the less.

These kinda threads continue to prove my point and make me happy that I am not enslaved,where I can love and try and help my fellow man,break out of the mental prison we have been taught to live in and see what we really need to do,to reach our full potential and try make this planet the kinda place we all dream to live in now,regradless of our indifference's.
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« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2008, 06:58:20 AM »

I AM a Catholic. I know firsthand what an abysmal and anti God organisation it is and know full well the damage it inflicts. The world is well rid with or without NWO involvement... which there is, in spades.

Try reading 'The Two Babylons' or 'The papal Worship' proved to be 'The Worship of 'Nimrod and his Wife' by the late Rev. Alexander Hislop and then follow up with all the jesuit nazi WW2 symbolism and some of the other excellent Videos about this. Look at the vatican Layout, the statues, the origins of practise's such as confession, the symbolism everywhere. Or don't.
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« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2008, 07:36:33 AM »

I AM a Catholic. I know firsthand what an abysmal and anti God organisation it is and know full well the damage it inflicts. The world is well rid with or without NWO involvement... which there is, in spades.

Try reading 'The Two Babylons' or 'The papal Worship' proved to be 'The Worship of 'Nimrod and his Wife' by the late Rev. Alexander Hislop and then follow up with all the jesuit nazi WW2 symbolism and some of the other excellent Videos about this. Look at the vatican Layout, the statues, the origins of practise's such as confession, the symbolism everywhere. Or don't.
Well clearly you have some sort of ax to grind with the Catholic Church.  You're clearly NOT Catholic, well at least not anymore, unless you enjoy going to a place you have such an unnatural hate and  vitriol towards.  So that means one of two things, you either lied and you were never Catholic and you said that to have more credibility, or you were Catholic and don't go anymore.  Also, you're personal experience does not a NWO conspiracy make.  I was Baptist for many a years, and I had a terrible time, I saw what I thought as more attempts to brainwash people than anywhere else I've ever been.  But you know what, I don't hate baptists, heck my wife's a baptist.  I'm sorry you had a poor experience with Catholicism but there's "symbolism" everywhere, all you have to do is want it to be there.  That's what I've learned from this forum, you guys go everywhere and look for the smallest scrape of symbolism and then boom like that you find it.  Like this clip I watched on the 9/11 Truth forum about 9/11 "foreshadowing" in this movie from 1996, it was so asinine and insane.  There was NOTHING there, but since you want the conspiracy to live, it does.
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« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2008, 08:09:49 AM »

Johnny, stop twisting Cruise's words, he never said he had bad experiences, what he has done however, is research the topic and found out just how nefarious the influence of the Jesuits and elements within he Papacy really are.

Whereas all you do is smear other posters in a typical cointel manner. I know damned well whose intellect and reasoning abilities I respect more, and it ain't yours Jonny.
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« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2008, 01:36:29 PM »

"The Alumbrados [i.e. the Spanish Illuminati] came especially from among the reformed Franciscans and Jesuits, and St. Ignatius Loyola [the founder of the Jesuit order] was charged in 1527 with sympathizing with them."

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« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2008, 03:54:24 PM »

sub-x, it is not religion that leads us to hate, as doktor said it is human nature.  Religion, at least mine, as I just said calls us to love, not to hate.  Some may use that religion to spread a message of hatred, but it is not the religion itself that is to blame.  We are responsible for our thoughts, words, and actions.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

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thank you for that sincere reply.  I don't doubt that you mean it.  And I hope I did not imply that all the protestants in this forum are hateful and mean.  Not all of them are.  Unfortunately too many of them are.  And I know that as time goes on it is only going to get worse, because the anti christ is working his magic throughout the world, spreading more hatred and chaos.  I can only expect things to get much worse for myself.  Even Catholic prophecy says that we will one day have to go into the woods in secret to attend church.  I fear that that time is not far away.  I am only doing what I can to prepare my family and friends for it, and to stand up and defend my faith and try to show people who think we are evil that we are not.  I hope you will continue to repeat what you just said a moment ago to me throughout this forum.

Newbie Here, and a Catholic so please be kind.  I'm the daughter of a Scottish Protestant Father and a
Catholic Irish/Scots Mother.  Catholics are just  'ordinary everyday folk', like you,nothing sinister about our beliefs. I believe in a higher being - call him God/Allah whatever,  people of this world just want peace,health and happiness, and to watch our children grow.    We are all faced with the
same threat to mankind.   Regardless of our own religious persuation, please let us all stand together
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« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2008, 04:00:42 PM »

well said Northern Lass.  I hope for the same thing.
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« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2008, 07:18:12 AM »

Newbie Here, and a Catholic so please be kind.  I'm the daughter of a Scottish Protestant Father and a
Catholic Irish/Scots Mother.  Catholics are just  'ordinary everyday folk', like you,nothing sinister about our beliefs. I believe in a higher being - call him God/Allah whatever,  people of this world just want peace,health and happiness, and to watch our children grow.    We are all faced with the
same threat to mankind.   Regardless of our own religious persuation, please let us all stand together
against the common enemy.

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do not worry, nobody is pointing the finger at ordinary catholics or ordinary priests etc, just the heavy weights and the jesuit order

aye freedom for scotland would be a good thing    Cheesy
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« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2008, 09:04:15 AM »

do not worry, nobody is pointing the finger at ordinary catholics or ordinary priests etc, just the heavy weights and the jesuit order

aye freedom for scotland would be a good thing    Cheesy

But this thread comes off saying the Jesuit Order is and has always been intrinsically evil, when that is not the truth.  I cannot vouch for them today as they subscribe to the changes of Vatican II, but they were not what this thread says they are.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2008, 10:13:48 AM »

But this thread comes off saying the Jesuit Order is and has always been intrinsically evil, when that is not the truth.  I cannot vouch for them today as they subscribe to the changes of Vatican II, but they were not what this thread says they are.

I understand that you believe that is not the case, but Napolean, Abraham Lincoln and other such historical heavyweights disagree with you, as do I.

However, I do not think of you as bad just because you do not believe there is something instrinsically wrong with the jesuit order and their Soveriegn Military Order of Malta.

It is also worth noting that Adam Weishaupt who formed the Bavarian Iluminati in 1776 was jesuit trained, this is no small matter in itself.

However, I have neither the time nor patience to try to prove it to you now, nevertheless, they are in my view and from the evidence I have seen, a major factor in the control fo humanity and the deceptions and manipulations that are carried out. Indeed the Jesuit 'double cross' is named as such because they are in many researchers views masters at deception and double cross, they have also been expelled from 86 countries for subversive behaviours. Which is also no small matter.
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« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2008, 11:35:55 AM »

Adam Weishaupt LEFT the Jesuit Order to create the Illuminati.  That doesn't mean the Jesuits created the Illuminati.  The original intent behind the Jesuit Order was a good one and was formed by a great saint.  Many Jesuits were tortured and slaughtered cruelly by the early natives of this country.  I cannot claim that there have never been any bad men in the Jesuit Order.  But I can say without a doubt that there are many made up facts about them, such as the fake Jesuit oath which has no authenticity to it.  Posting that oath over and over again as evidence is irresponsible and slanderous.  What ever happened to benefit of doubt?  Some people really need to reevaluate their motives behind attacking the Jesuit Order.  To me it seems like there are too many people in this forum who are severely anti Catholic and go around saying that we are satanists and pagans and we should all be wiped off the face of the earth.  Those are very dangerous statements to make.  They seem to me to be thinly veiled threats.  Just look at how many threads have been posted in this forum that were intended specifically to bash the Catholic church.  That is all the evidence you need.  If we cannot all come together in this fight, then the devil is going to win the battle.  If people continue to attack Catholics and shun us, then you will have a lot less people at your battle front.  Is it really worth it?
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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2008, 08:44:46 AM »

sure perhaps he did leave, but he was still Jesuit trained, that is a fact.

and I am quite sure there have been many decent people unknowingly joined the Jesuit order and performed good deeds, thsat does nto make the jesuit order a good thing.

You really need to separate people who attack the Jesuits or Popes from people who hate Catholics, the two sentiments are not in any way the same thing and you make yourself look silly by claiming that they are.

imagine if the same principle were applied to the USA and US government or CIA, criticising the US government, CIA butchers and Wall Street bankers is not the same as hating Americans.

Similarly, making statements about the Jesuit Order & SMOM, or criticising Popes is really not at all the same as hating Catholics.

you really must learn to distinguish between the two. 
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« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2008, 10:59:19 AM »

some quotes from the mouth of Martin Luther.  You decide if this sounds reasonable and good to you.


"God does not work salvation for fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin vigorously.... Do not for a moment imagine that this life is the abiding place of justice; sin must be committed."

"Sin cannot tear you away from him [Christ], even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders."

"A large number of deaf, crippled and blind people are afflicted solely through the malice of the demon. And one must in no wise doubt that plagues, fevers and every sort of evil come from him."

"An earthly kingdom cannot exist without inequality of persons. Some must be free, some serfs, some rulers, some subjects."

"As for the demented, I hold it certain that all beings deprived of reason are thus afflicted only by the Devil."

"As to the common people, ... one has to be hard with them and see that they do their work and that under the threat of the sword and the law they comply with the observance of piety, just as you chain up wild beasts."

"At Poltersberg, there is a lake similarly cursed. If you throw a stone into it, a dreadful storm immediately arises, and the whole neighboring district quakes to its center. 'Tis the devils kept prisoner there."

"At Sussen, the Devil carried off, last Good Friday, three grooms who had devoted themselves to him."

"Demons live in many lands, but particularly in Prussia."

"How often have not the demons called 'Nix,' drawn women and girls into the water, and there had commerce with them, with fearful consequences."

"I almost feel like throwing Jimmy into the stove, as the priest in Kulenberg did."

"I feel much freer now that I am certain the pope is the Antichrist."

"I maintain that some Jew wrote it [the Book of James] who probably heard about Christian people but never encountered any."

"I myself saw and touched at Dessay, a child of this sort, which had no human parents, but had proceeded from the Devil. He was twelve years old, and, in outward form, exactly resembled ordinary children."

"I should have no compassion on these witches; I should burn them all."

"Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads...."

"In many countries there are particular places to which devils more especially resort. In Prussia there is an infinite number of evil spirits."

"In Switzerland, on a high mountain, not far from Lucerne, there is a lake they call Pilate's Pond, which the Devil has fixed upon as one of the chief residences of his evil spirits...."

"Many demons are in woods, in waters, in wildernesses, and in dark poolly places ready to hurt...people."

"Many sweat to reconcile St. Paul and St. James, but in vain. 'Faith justifies' and 'faith does not justify' contradict each other flatly. If any one can harmonize them I will give him my doctor's hood and let him call me a fool."

"No gown worse becomes a than the desire to be wise."

"Our bodies are always exposed to Satan. The maladies I suffer are not natural, but Devil's spells."

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has: it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but--more frequently than not --struggles against the Divine Word...."

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."

"Snakes and monkeys are subjected to the demon more than other animals. Satan lives in them and possesses them. He uses them to deceive men and to injure them."

"Some [demons] are also in the thick black clouds, which cause hail, lightning and thunder, and poison the air, the pastures and grounds."

"The best way to get rid of the Devil, if you cannot kill it with the words of Holy Scripture, is to rail at and mock him. Music, too, is very good; music is hateful to him, and drives him far away. "

"The damned whore Reason...."

"The Devil can so completely assume the human form, when he wants to deceive us, that we may well lie with what seems to be a woman, of real flesh and blood, and yet all the while 'tis only the Devil in the shape of a woman. 'Tis the same with women, who may think that a man is in bed with them, yet 'tis only the Devil; and...the result of this connection is oftentimes an imp of darkness, half mortal, half devil...."

"The Devil...clutched hold of the miserable young man...and flew off with him through the ceiling, since which time nothing has been heard of [him]."

"The Devil fears the word of God, He can't bite it; it breaks his teeth."

"The Devil, it is true, is not exactly a doctor who has taken degrees, but he is very learned, very expert for all that. He has not been carrying on his business during thousands of years for nothing...."

"The Devil, too, sometimes steals human children; it is not infrequent for him to carry away infants within the first six weeks after birth, and to substitute in their place imps...."

"The fact that [the biblical book] Hebrews is not an epistle of St. Paul, or of any other apostle, is proved by what it says in chapter two...."

"The winds are nothing else but good or bad spirits. Hark! how the Devil is puffing and blowing...."

"There is no rustic so rude but that, if he dreams or fancies anything, it must be the whisper of the Holy Ghost, and he himself a prophet."

"This fool [Copernicus] wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth."

"To be a Christian, you must pluck out the eye of reason."

"...two devils rose from the water, and flew off through the air, crying, 'Oh, oh, oh!' and turning one over another, in sportive mockery...."

"We are at fault for not slaying them [the Jews]."

"We know, on the authority of Moses, that longer than six thousand years the world did not exist."

"We may well lie with what seems to be a woman of flesh and blood, and yet all the time it is only a devil in the shape of a woman."

"We need not invite the Devil to our table; he is too ready to come without being asked. The air all about us is filled with demons...."

"We should throw the Epistle of James out of this school [the University of Wittenberg]....

"What shall we do with...the Jews?...I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings...are to be taken from them."

"What shall we do with...the Jews?...I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."

"What shall we do with...the Jews? I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb."

"What shall we do with...the Jews?...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."

"What shall we do with...the Jews?...their homes also should be razed and destroyed."

"When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle and men, especially children."

"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason."

"Women...have but small and narrow chests, and broad hips, to the end that they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children."

"So tenaciously should we cling to the world revealed by the Gospel, that were I to see all the Angels of Heaven coming down to me to tell me something different, not only would I not be tempted to doubt a single syllable, but I would shut my eyes and stop my ears, for they would not deserve to be either seen or heard."


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As to what I said about hating the Catholic church.  I mean that by spreading slanderous information that isn't even authenticated, you spread hatred toward the Catholic church, as the Jesuit order is part of the Catholic church.  The number of threads in this forum that are anti Catholic are outrageous and only do more to spread hatred toward the Catholic church.  I have been called a satanist and a pagan by many in this forum.  I have been called a Christ killer and hater.  I have been attacked up and down.  I don't wonder if much of their opinions about Catholics came from sources like yours that attack parts of the church.
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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2008, 01:03:34 PM »

Good to see another reasonable thinking person in this forum.  Welcome LJE, you are much needed in the battled grounds to defend the church.  I only hope others will see reason in all of this as well.
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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2008, 01:03:37 AM »

"The Alumbrados [i.e. the Spanish Illuminati] came especially from among the reformed Franciscans and Jesuits, and St. Ignatius Loyola [the founder of the Jesuit order] was charged in 1527 with sympathizing with them."

-Encyclopedia Britannica Vol. 1, page 693
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« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2008, 01:21:39 PM »

Catholicportugalian,
yes I agree there is a problem with some of the fundamentalist protestants here, I am quite sure one or two are agents, but not all of them by any means. And I agree that it is not okay for them to show hatred for Catholics, although I agree more closely with them on matters of Jesuits and a nasty faction within the Vatican.
 
However, there are some overly aggresive and ignorant people who claim to be Christians yet show no Christian love at all, and I am sorry if you have had such hate thrown at you for being a Catholic.

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I wonder...
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1000
or
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1834

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By the way, I've been called a satanist, a witch, agent, etc etc. here because I believe that ALL christianity is spiritual filth. However I don't really hate anyone... but if you follow the links you can find out who leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Ignore the knuckle dragging idiots spewing hate. BTW... the Catholic Church has a history of blood and enriches itself while people starve. That is the most positive assessment you'll get from me.
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« Reply #72 on: August 19, 2008, 01:48:50 PM »

(whistling)
I wonder...
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1000
or
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1834

 Grin

By the way, I've been called a satanist, a witch, agent, etc etc. here because I believe that ALL christianity is spiritual filth. However I don't really hate anyone... but if you follow the links you can find out who leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Ignore the knuckle dragging idiots spewing hate. BTW... the Catholic Church has a history of blood and enriches itself while people starve. That is the most positive assessment you'll get from me.

LOL, I could add a name or two to that list, LOL, but won't, you know who I mean, one often claims a deep affection for the first one on your list, I hardly need mention his name, LOL

I pretty much agree with your assessment re: the hierarchy and power centres of the Catholic Church, although many individuals (indeed very very many) have done great works within the system, but that does nto change my view on the hierarchy or especially the jesuits
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