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« on: April 18, 2008, 09:04:43 PM »

I was looking into the Lutheran preacher/pastor, Mark Jeske, who is one of the preachers featured in the New American Theology of Civil Submission video that Alex aired on his show the other day.  It turns out that one of the board members of the "Time of Grace Ministry" that Jeske is with works for the Pentagon.  This comes from a 12/15/01 article featured in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/1/23358/49966
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Eight laymen and a Milwaukee pastor have launched an independent weekly television broadcast here with the goal of offering Lutheran programming to 95% of the households in the United States within five years.
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Bolstered by a business plan and start-up funding of nearly $500,000, the non-profit organization hopes to make Jeske the nation's most visible spokesman for conservative Lutheranism.
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Jeske's church is 60% white and 40% African-American.
"We just had the look of a universal place, and they liked that," said Jeske, 49.
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Time of Grace Ministry is incorporated in Virginia. Both the idea and its implementation have come from the laymen, and officials of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, or WELS, have encouraged them.

Other board members include: Tom Baxter, Television Division chief of the U.S. Army Visual Information Center at the Pentagon; John E. Bauer, longtime chief academic officer of Wisconsin Lutheran College and current vice president for academic affairs; Steve Boettcher, president of Boettcher Productions, a five-time Emmy-winning television production firm in Hartland.

Also, Cliff Buelow, of the Milwaukee law firm of Davis & Kuelthau; Bruce Eberle, president of Eberle Communications Group, a national fund-raising firm in McLean, Va.; Arvid Schwartz of Green Isle, Minn., a farmer, former corporate treasurer, and chairman of the Wisconsin Lutheran College board; and John C. Zimdars, president of The Zimdars Co., Inc., a life insurance consulting firm in Madison.

All belong to the theologically conservative WELS, which is based in Wauwatosa. WELS has more than 400,000 members and is the nation's third-largest Lutheran denomination.

The idea for the ministry came from Eberle, who sits on the Wisconsin Lutheran College board with Jeske, Buelow, Raabe, Schwartz and Zimdars.
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 09:42:45 PM »

+1  GREAT FIND!!!

We knew he was on the payroll.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 02:02:54 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 03:01:54 PM »


"You are free....to give up your freedom"

rofl priceless!
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 04:22:56 PM »


"You are free....to give up your freedom"

rofl priceless!

That is one creepy looking pedophile, isn't he?

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2008, 12:59:37 AM »

If this is true, this is pretty huge...
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2008, 01:12:40 AM »

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Tom Baxter As Chief of the Television Division of the US Army Visual Information Center at the Pentagon in Washington, DC, Tom Baxter is the executive responsible for production and technical operations. His organization produces approximately 200 productions and special events annually. Since his graduation from the University of Kansas in 1969, Tom has spent a great deal of his governmental career overseas. From 1980 to 1985 he served as Chief of Television Operations for Southern Europe Broadcasting where he was based in Vicenza, Italy. Next he served in the same position for the American Forces Network from 1986 to 1992 in Frankfurt, Germany. Tom currently serves as President of Christ Our Savior Evangelical Lutheran Church in Sterling, Virginia.

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2008, 07:20:49 AM »

Seperation of religion and goverment, have I heard that somewhere?

Of course they will resort to mind control, if you can not get their minds and soul, get them both.

Bush was adamnent the constitution is but a piece of paper, his prophesy has been proven by this triatorous cabral.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2008, 11:35:00 PM »

Any more news on this?
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 11:02:57 AM »

Oh C'mon, God LOOOOOOves you. Government is of God and God is of Government. God puts our Leaders in place. This is what my in-laws tell me. God knows what's coming, but he's not going to stop it! WTF I thought God was a lover not a destroyer! This Religion shit is hypocritical and flip floppy.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 12:47:02 PM »



While it is true the government through international Freemasonry and other means has taken over nearly all Christian churches, including the Catholic, atheism was actually started-revived by this globalist government for control beginning with the French revolution installation of the "goddess of reason", reason being an early term for atheism.


With this atheism the globalist erect states such as Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and many others that are specifically anti-bible which states to have no other God but the one true Creator. The globalist-Illuminati conspiracy has infiltrated the churches, however they did not give us the Bible which is very anti-globalist, rather the conspiracy produces many corrupted translations in order to neutralize remnant Christianity bringing them back under globalist control.


As the Inquisition had done before the French revolution culminated in legislated banning of the Holy Bible from Nov.10, 1793 - Jun, 1797. Russia had a ban on the Bible from 1926 to 1956. Nazi Germany, communist China more of the same for total control.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 09:50:52 PM »

Err make your mind  up if you will.... The link between the French revolution and the Nazis is to say the least, utterly spurious. Hitler hated the Freemasons and had drawn up a list of those in Britain who, should it be invaded,  would be immediately arrested and executed or interned.

So quite how Hitler and the Masons were buddies i really don;t know where you  arrive at that. Hitler and the Catholic church , well that's something altogether different. Wasn't the present pope a member of the Hitler Youth, of course not because he agreed with any of it..cough... Many members of the SS were  from Christian backgrounds and were allowed to carry on such affiliations throughout the period of Hitler's  reign..

Stalin was a paranoid,  who simply murdered or locked up any person who might offer  any sort of threat. The Masons  had absolutely nothing to do with him at all.

As for the French revolution and  christianity. Well excuse me for pointing out the obvious. However, in case no one noticed, the church was simply an arm of a regime that allowed its' people to starve  to death in the streets as the  bishops dined on 10 course meals. I wonder why they were so unpopular?

In other words, the reason for the church being seen as a fifth column within most revolutions is that they were, more often than not, only too happy to support a status quo that  saw grinding poverty and total oppression. They brought it on themselves,  more often than not, they were merely reaping the reward of their own complicity.

This all occurred at the same time as many intelligent people began to question why a bunch of myths from the Middle East should actually hold sway over a *modern world* any more than any other culture's mythology. There have always been atheists , only for many years it was illegal to express such views in most countries of the Western World.

Given  the churches response was to burn or incarcerate such people, why  do you think that, gradually people turned away from the church in ever increasing droves?

The true battle going on right now is between two ideals that both want the same. The ultra right god botherers in the USA who want some kind of nuclear war in Israel cos god will  take  them all  away  at the last minute. Versus another bunch of god botherers who want to plunge the world back 500 years socially..oh........ hang on.... the god botherers in the USA want that as well...The truth is, the Ultra right God botherers in the USA want exactly the same sort of state as the Ultra right wing god botheres in the Islamic world want. Same state, same god, different interpretation on who had the divine revelation about  the fact that god wants everyone to behave exactly as they say so, or die...

The atheists think, both of these groups are  a bunch of loonies whose appeal is to the lowest and basest instincts of control freaks and the weak minded...
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 11:26:53 PM »

What would Jesus do?  Abbreviated WWJD.  Or, to the point, what would Jesus say?  "I don't know any of these guys on TV.  But, heh, forum writers, I do know you.  Do you know me?"
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2008, 09:00:50 AM »

Oh C'mon, God LOOOOOOves you. Government is of God and God is of Government. God puts our Leaders in place. This is what my in-laws tell me. God knows what's coming, but he's not going to stop it! WTF I thought God was a lover not a destroyer! This Religion shit is hypocritical and flip floppy.

Not at all. If you read Revelation it says when Jesus returns it will be to pour out the wrath of God on the world for it's sin. Even in the Old Testament, God destroyed the enemies of the Israelites many times and punished the Israelites themselves when they fell into sinful ways. God is a wrathful God, and always has been. He loves us, yes, but there are punishments for disobeying him. Do you love your children any less when they do something deserving of punishment?
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 08:29:36 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2008, 10:35:28 PM »

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With this atheism the globalist erect states such as Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and many others that are specifically anti-bible which states to have no other God but the one true Creator.

That is ridiculous. Please note the beliefs of Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda for Hitler's Nazi party:

"Christ is the genius of love, as such the most diametrical opposite of Judaism, which is the incarnation of hate. The Jew is a non-race among the races of the earth.... Christ is the first great enemy of the Jews.... that is why Judaism had to get rid of him. For he was shaking the very foundations of its future international power. The Jew is the lie personified. When he crucified Christ, he crucified everlasting truth for the first time in history."
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern (Munich, 1929)

"When today a clique accuses us of having anti-Christian opinions, I believe that the first Christian, Christ himself, would discover more of his teaching in our actions than in this theological hair-splitting."
-Joseph Goebbels, Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin, 2 March 1934: Hamburg

"We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Führer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty."
-Joseph Goebbels, in a broadcast, 19 April 1936

...and Hermann Göring, second in command of the Third Reich:

"Although he himself [Hitler] was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant Church to have a stronger position in Germany, since Germany was two-thirds Protestant."
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)

...and Heinrich Himmler. head of the Schutzstaffel (SS):

"In ideological training I forbid every attack against Christ as a person, since such attacks or insults that Christ was a Jew are unworthy of us and certainly untrue historically."
-Heinrich Himmler, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, 28 June 1937: Berlin

In case there is further confusion regarding the views of the Founding Fathers on "Christian Values":

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
-John Adams (letter to Thomas Jefferson, Sept. 3, 1816)

"Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity."
-Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
-Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
-James Madison (from Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785)
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2008, 04:49:38 AM »

I was looking into the Lutheran preacher/pastor, Mark Jeske, who is one of the preachers featured in the New American Theology of Civil Submission video that Alex aired on his show the other day.  It turns out that one of the board members of the "Time of Grace Ministry" that Jeske is with works for the Pentagon.  This comes from a 12/15/01 article featured in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/1/23358/49966

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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2008, 03:13:28 PM »



These Charletons have been holding hands with the power for as long as I can remember.

Somebody asked what would Christ do, according to the book, he rebelled, called the power hypocrits, broke down their money changers, fought , thats what he did, fought against corruption, liers and deceivers, the power over others, he was no wimp.
The mighty SanHedrin, power, money, position, whats the difference today, they get your mind and soul if  you let them, ah but don't you let them, OK.
The stairway to heaven and is your conscience, sometimes we have got to face bullys, and take them on, and brother we have a White House full of them.
A preacher, telling us to submit, are we back to the dark ages.
Where did that saying come from, Wolfs in sheeps clothing.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 05:35:36 PM »

Logic says to go where its easiest, there's nothing to fight for anyway except what feels good.

History shows the 20th century is full of atheist and other non christians like Freemasons sellout to evil government annd commit the worst crimes.

Right now the worst eugenicist producing pharx,vaccine,gmo and bio weapons/disease to kill the masses are atheist.

The worst brainwashing professors in the Marxist universities are atheist.

When Christian morals are involved regimes like the USSR can't happen. Nazi Germany while in the heart of different Christianity erected paganism,marxism,fascism,atheism/Nazism. Many did reject it in Germany and Russia and paid with their lives.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 06:05:23 PM »

The Wels denomination is very conservative, in fact on top of my head I cannot think of a more conservative "mainstream" 501 C 3 religion in Wisconsin.  It goes to show you that even a conservative church can be just as government lackey as a liberal one.  Then again, anyone can say something to do and believe and have a different agenda altogether.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 05:55:06 AM »

 Those brainwashed will follow their religious leaders wherever they are led.

 Letting another do all your thinking for you, gets you what you deserve.

 Follow no man blindly, for evil resides somewhere in all men's hearts.
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 07:21:09 PM »


These Charletons have been holding hands with the power for as long as I can remember.

Somebody asked what would Christ do, according to the book, he rebelled, called the power hypocrits, broke down their money changers, fought , thats what he did, fought against corruption, liers and deceivers, the power over others, he was no wimp.
The mighty SanHedrin, power, money, position, whats the difference today, they get your mind and soul if  you let them, ah but don't you let them, OK.
The stairway to heaven and is your conscience, sometimes we have got to face bullys, and take them on, and brother we have a White House full of them.
A preacher, telling us to submit, are we back to the dark ages.
Where did that saying come from, Wolfs in sheeps clothing.



The Bible. Wink


(Jesus speaking) - "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves" - Matt. 7:15
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