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9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« on: April 13, 2008, 06:21:39 PM »
The American people were shown proof of the 9/11 hijackers, their identities, and even video of them getting on the planes on the morning of 9/11. But it could be a psyop and here's how they could have done it.

I do believe there were probably hijackers on 9/11, but Atta was a ringleader, in charge of some nutjob losers. So why would he willingly go on a plane and die? Maybe he wouldn't. Or maybe he would.

Shortly after the attacks of 9/11 an airport security video showed Atta getting on a plane the morning of 9/11, along with al-Omari. A plane that was flying out of Portland Maine.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/resources/photos/airport.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/100401.htm

So there you have it. Atta was on a plane on the morning of 9/11. But the plane he got on had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11.  Flight 11, the plane crashing into the WTC in which Atta was supposedly on, flew out of Logan in Boston.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_11

On Sept 10 Atta and al-Omari were in Boston. The next day flight 11 would leave Boston toward L.A. and be hijacked and crash into the WTC. But Atta and al-Omari, would rent a car and drive from Boston to Portland just to fly back to Boston. Why?

Here is how the 9/11 commission addressed the issue, they admit it happened....
Boston: American 11 and United 175. Atta and Omari boarded a 6:00 A.M. flight from Portland to Boston's Logan International Airport.1
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

And the footnote to this says...1. No physical, documentary, or analytical evidence provides a convincing explanation of why Atta and Omari drove to Portland, Maine, from Boston on the morning of September 10, only to return to Logan on Flight 5930 on the morning of September 11.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Notes.htm

No convincing explanation? How about this one. They did it to be on video getting on a plane on the morning of 9/11, and left a bunch of convenient evidence to "solve the case".

"There's a real question there because he took a tremendous risk in going to Portland the night before and then having to catch a commuter flight to Boston,” said Roger Cressey, who was director of transnational threats for President Bush's National Security Council. “Given the vagaries of traveling on the East Coast, (it was a) tremendous risk to take.  And so, we still don't know what he was doing there."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14686192/

Former federal terrorism investigators say a piece of luggage hastily checked in at the Portland, Maine, airport by a World Trade Center hijacker on the morning of Sept. 11 provided the Rosetta stone enabling FBI agents to swiftly unravel the mystery of who carried out the suicide attacks and what motivated them.

A mix-up in Boston prevented the luggage from connecting with the plane that hijackers crashed into the north tower of the trade center. Seized by FBI agents at Boston's Logan Airport, investigators said, it contained Arab-language papers revealing the identities of all 19 hijackers involved in the four hijackings, as well as information on their plans, backgrounds and motives.

An affidavit filed by FBI agent James K. Lechner in federal district court in Portland reported that two bags checked by Atta were recovered at Logan Airport Sept. 11. They were never placed on Flight 11 before it departed from Boston, Lechner said, but there was no explanation of why they had not been loaded. Lechner described them as "a green Travel Gear bag" and "a black Travelpro bag."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uslugg274705186apr17,0,6096142.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print


If this is true, then Atta didn't die on the morning of 9/11.  Anything else that would back this up? Here is what the Father of Atta said about his son.....
"Mossad and Israel are who benefits the most from this.... They want to try to hang this on the Arab world," Atta told the Cairo Times in a 19 September interview. "When America learns that Mossad did it, they won't be able to say anything."

"Elect someone different than these oil millionares who want to control the Arab world. Dick Cheney is a billionare from oil. Bush, his family has been in oil for generations...America hasn't had an honorable president since Roosevelt."

The elder Atta said he had last seen his son about 18 months ago in Egypt. He had never been to visit him in Germany, and knew little of his life there. He also claimed that his son had called him two days after the attack, and described it as "a normal conversation." But he snarled when asked to give further details. Asked what country Muhammad had called from, he said, "The name of the country isn't written on the phone."

Asked where Muhammad was now, he said, "Ask Mossad."

Atta said he hadn't heard from his son since the post-attack phone call, and that he has never called his son since his departure in 1993.

"He calls us," he said. "We don't even have his number."

"They found a flight manual in the car," he said. "Is he going to be studying on the way?"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/atta.html

Rest assured Atta is dead now, and his father isn't exactly a steller source.  I don't claim Atta was working for the CIA or the mossad. In fact we know who he was working for. The ISI. CNN even reported the $100,000 transfer from the ISI to Atta, in the same article they report the ISI engineering hijackings....

Ahmed Umar Syed Sheikh, whom authorities say used a pseudonym to wire $100,000 to suspected hijacker Mohammad Atta, who then distributed the money in the United States.

Indian authorities have also said that 1999 hijacking was done with the help of Pakistan's ISI or Intelligence Service.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/10/08/india.ressa/

And we all know the connection the ISI has with the CIA.

So Atta drove from Boston to Portland only to fly back to Boston to be on video and leave a trail of evidence. But wait, what if the ticket agent went public and said Atta did in fact get on the plane? Would that help convince people he was on a hijacked plane? Well, that happened too.

BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The 9/11 Commission would describe the dawning of September 11 as temperate and nearly cloudless. By 4:00 a.m., Michael Tuohey was already at work at the U.S. Air ticket counter at the airport in Portland, Maine. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/02/pzn.01.html

That was one of several interviews given. But once again, this is the agent from Portland. Why not show the agent from Logan identifying Atta? Because he never got on that plane is one possibility. And according to this agent Tuohey, the agent in Logan can't talk about Atta getting on flight 11 because they suddenly ended up dead. How unfortunate and coincidental. This is what was said when he appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show.....
        WINFREY: Recently you learned that the woman who did the same job as you in Boston, who checked Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari in at the ticket counter committed suicide a few months ago. Mr. TOUHEY: Yeah. That was another part of the guilt, and that’s another part of the problem. I didn’t realize that until a good friend of mine–he’s been working with American Airlines for 38 years. And he says, `That girl that checked in Atta committed suicide.’ I said `What?’ He said, `Yeah, she killed herself.’ I says, `You sure?’ He says, `Of course. They’re talking about it in the airport.’ Man, that just added another layer of guilt. I’m saying to myself, `My God, if I had just done the job the way I was supposed to, she never would have seen these people and maybe, you know, been around today, you know.’
http://www.blogpi.net/the-oprah-winfrey-911-ticket-agent-suicide-myth

Now according to an AA spokesperson this isn't true.
http://www.blogpi.net/the-oprah-winfrey-911-ticket-agent-suicide-myth

But the fact remains, the Portland Agent is the one we all saw on TV. The Boston agent remains a mystery.
  
Like I said, I believe there were some hijackers. But for more evidence of the psyop, just answer the question- what airport videos do we have of the actual hijackers getting on the planes? And when were they released? The answer is other than the Atta video of him getting on a plane in Portland, there is just one. The one of the loser Hani Hanjour and the other flight 77 folks...and when did that video come out? On the eve of the 9/11 commission being released to the public. See how they control the timing of these events?

American Airlines Flight 11, a Boston-to-Los Angeles flight with 81 passengers and 11 crew onboard, struck the World Trade Center north tower.

United Airlines Flight 175, a Boston-to-Los Angeles flight with 56 passengers and nine crew onboard, struck the Trade Center's south tower.

A second United plane, Flight 93, from Newark to San Francisco with 37 passengers and seven crew onboard, crashed in rural Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

A second American plane, Flight 77, from Dulles to Los Angeles with 58 passengers and six crew onboard, crashed into the Pentagon.

Washington Dulles was the only airport to videotape security checks.

The videos were made public on the eve of the release of the 9/11 commission's final report on the attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/21/attacks.surveillance.video/index.html
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 09:09:06 PM »


I actually had the thought you pointed out about how Atta and others were conveniently on tape. I believe they didn't really know their part in the 'play' until after, when it was too late. Yes I believe it was Mossad. Yes, I believe it's very likely that any of the 'hijackers' who after 911 were found to be alive are all probably dead now because dead men tell no tales.

You couldn't have set it up more perfectly (the guilty parties) in having all of these close-up video stills of the 'hijackers' from the airports. It is completely possible that all of them were date-stamped/time-stamped to perfection. But it's also possible, that they had these videos made long before -- just in case they decided that they weren't going to continue their roles. If at any time that they hadn't video-taped them 'that day', then they couldn't have had fingers pointed to them, could they?

So to make the entire fiasco possible to pull off, they had to have all of the ducks in a row, so to speak. This wasn't planned in a couple months. This kind of operation had to have taken years for planning, especially to make sure that all of the 'suspects', all of the planes were rigged, all of the buildings had the explosives planted, all of the 'gov't and other officials' that they could trust to keep quiet would remain quiet, etc.

Think about the enormity of what happened. They couldn't have planned all of the operations they've pulled off since that day without it. Does anyone actually think that they would have taken any chances of it not working out? No way on earth. This was the 'end all to be all' scenario and they were playing for keeps.

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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2008, 12:55:46 PM »
So Mohhamd Atta drives to Portland from Boston the night before 9/11 to fly back to Bostons' Logan Airport to get on flight 11. Why?

Because Portland has a security camera showing passengers getting on the plane. Boston Doesn't. And your TV shows Atta over and over again getting on a plane on the morning of 9/11. (a plane that had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11)

Luggage of Attas' was left at Boston Logan airport that was described by this news report as the Rosetta stone of evidence.....

two bags checked by Atta were recovered at Logan Airport Sept. 11. They were never placed on Flight 11 before it departed from Boston, Lechner said, but there was no explanation of why they had not been loaded.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uslugg274705186apr17,0,6096142.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

No explanation? I have one. Most of you probably think it was just planted evidence. But for it to have been planted the bagage handlers at Logan would be in on it since it made the flight from Portland. I think the number of people involved in carrying out 9/11 are quite small. And a very good explanation of the bags being left at Logan is available, which again only proves Atta never got on flt 11.

CAPPS (Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System) was in place at the time. How many hijackers were selected by CAPPS? google.. ...capps hijackers... http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=CAPPS+hijackers
and the reports say 6, others say half, others say 8...it's all over the place..odd.

If you are selected under CAPPS at the time, it was either because you were on a watch list or it was random. Atta was selected for special screening under CAPPS according to the 9/11 commission, they had no choice to admit it because like I posted earlier the ticket agent from Portland was all over the TV talking about it. But the 9/11 commission wants you to believe that it was just random. Any evidence of this? No. Any evidence that he would be on a watch list? Yes. Able Danger! Watch LCFC for that info.

So what? Who cares? What difference does it make? Well, guess what the consequences are when you are selected for special screening under CAPPS?....I'll quote the 9/11 commission itself.....

Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

See? He did board the plane in Portland(on video)and did not board flt 11 in Boston. There was no need to "plant the evidence" if he didn't board the plane the evidence would be left at Logan. And that's exactly what happened.

Pretty slick huh?

And if he was the one that flew flt 11 into the tower but never got on the plane, then who was flying it?
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 01:32:45 PM »
If the Pilot of Flt 11 that crashed the plane into the World Trade center was M Atta, and it can be shown he never boarded the plane, then the plane was piloted by other means..Remote Control.

If Hani Hanjour was a horrible pilot and it can be proven, then he could not pilot flt 77 into the pentagon, because the flt path proves only a pilot of absolutely incredible skill could have performed the feat...this also proves remote control.

I'm not suggesting there were no "hijackers" on 9/11. However it is obvious that the "hijackers" were quite varied in who they were. Atta was highly educated spoke several languages lived with strippers drank alcohol, and did cocaine. Hani Hanjour stayed in his room all day talking to Allah and didn't own a toothbrush. There were several layers of patsies involved. Atta was a pastie in charge of his patsies.

The further proof of Atta not being on board Flt 11

1. Atta received a 100,000 payment shortly before 9/11 showing money as a motivating factor.

2. Money would serve no purpose to a dead person.

3. There is no confirmation from the ticket agent in Boston that he boarded flt 11, in fact it is rumored (see above post) that this agent is dead. The agent from Portland Airport on the other hand has been in the media quite a bit.

4. On the contrary his bags being left at Logan airport in Boston is proof he did not board flt 11 as per the requirement of CAPPS program at the time to not load bags until it is confirmed that the person is on the aircraft.

5. His father claimed he received a call from Atta after 9/11

The CAPPS program and the 9/11 commission report prove Atta did not board Flt 11

Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

This document explains the CAPPS program in effect on 9/11. If Atta was selected by CAPPS and the 9/11 commission report admits that he was, then his bags would not be placed on a plane until it was confirmed that he was on the plane. Contrary to what the 9/11 commission implies in their report, it doesn't matter wether he was "random" or on a watch list, or that he was on a connecting flight. This document makes it clear, that they are fully aware that connecting flights was the heart of the bojinka plot and in fact would place even more important emphasis on making sure the baggage was checked with the person flying on the connecting flight.

http://epic.org/privacy/faa/profile_NPRM.html

excerpts from the CAPPS document..

Under the FAA-approved CAPS system, the checked baggage of the
small percentage of passengers whom the CAPS system has identified as
selectees would be subjected to screening by EDS or bag matching
procedures would be applied
. To further enhance the deterrence value of
the system, the CAPS system would be required to also randomly select a
small percentage of other passengers (the percentages to be specified
in each air carrier's standard security program) whose checked baggage
would be subjected to the same types of additional security measures as
that of the other CAPS selectees
. These additional security measures
would include EDS, where available, or bag matching.


The FAA has determined that this proposed
requirement is necessary to prevent explosive devices concealed in
checked baggage transferred from earlier flights from being introduced into the holds of airplanes.


Investigation into the February 1993 attack on the World Trade
Center uncovered a foreign terrorist threat in the United States that
is more serious than previously known. The World Trade Center
investigation disclosed that Ramzi Yousef arrived in the United States
in September 1992 and presented himself to immigration officials as an
Iraqi dissident seeking asylum. Yousef and a group of Islamic radicals
in the United States then spent the next five months planning the
bombing of the World Trade Center building and other acts of terrorism
in the United States. Yousef returned to Pakistan on the evening of
February 26, 1993, the same day that the World Trade Center bombing
took place. Yousef traveled to the Philippines in early 1994, and by
August of the same year had conceived a plan to bomb as many as twelve
U.S. air carriers flying between East Asian cities and the United
States.
    Yousef and co-conspirators Abdul Murad and Wali Khan tested the
type of explosive devices to be used in the aircraft bombings, and in
December 1994 they demonstrated the group's ability to assemble such a
device in a public place by bombing a Manila theater. Later in the same
month, the capability to get an explosive device past airport screening
procedures and detonate it aboard an aircraft also was successfully
tested when a bomb was placed by Yousef aboard the first leg of
Philippine Airlines Flight 424 from Manila to Tokyo. The device
detonated during the second leg of the flight, after Yousef had
deplaned at an intermediate stop in the Philippine City of Cebu.

    Preparations for executing the plan were progressing rapidly;
however, the airliner bombing plot was discovered in January 1995 only
by chance after a fire led Philippine police to the Manila apartment
where the explosive devices were being assembled. Homemade explosives,
batteries, timers, electronic components, and a notebook full of
instructions for building bombs were discovered. Subsequent
investigation of computer files taken from the apartment revealed the
plan in which five terrorists were to have placed explosive devices
aboard United, Northwest, and Delta airline flights. In each case, a
similar technique was to be used. A terrorist would fly the first leg
of a flight out of a city in East Asia, plant the device aboard the
aircraft and then get off at an intermediate stop
. The explosive device
would then destroy the aircraft as it continued on the subsequent leg
of the flight to the United States. It is likely that thousands of
passengers would have been killed if the plot had been successfully
carried out.


This is absolute proof, that the reason Attas' luggage was left at Logan airport in Boston, was because he never got on board Flt 11. And the baggage left there was "evidence" of who the hijackers were. How convenient, and if Atta was not on board then by extension, proof that these planes were not piloted by these hijackers.
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 10:43:47 AM »
Its interesting about his movement, and the interception of his luggage. Its good when people put their own research together.

The link you gave about flight 11
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_11 ) has Atta, accidently sending a message to Boston Airtraffic Control that he had only intended to send to the passengers. To paraphrase ‘ We have hijacked the plane, stay calm, we are returning to the airport.’

The sources are given in the Wiki article, so either the sources would have to be false, or much less likely I would think, Boston airtraffic control would have to be lying if you go with the idea that Atta wasn’t on board.

There is little doubt that there where hijackers on board. But how did air traffic control know it was Atta though?

So as far as actually identifying Atta himself, perhaps you might be right Jimd, a leader of patsies maybe.


Regarding the part about Atta’s father claiming he was still alive and that he had spoken to him after 911, it would seem there is something to this, although we don’t have a lot to go on.

Regarding Atta supposedly being sent $100,000 by the ISI. The source for this is Indian intelligence. It was reported in an Indian newspaper and picked up by others. But we know that India and Pakistan aren’t the best friends. I recall having spoken with debunkers about this that they say there is nothing to back this up. And that the Indian intelligence are simply trying to smear the ISI by telling lies.

So Mohhamd Atta drives to Portland from Boston the night before 9/11 to fly back to Bostons' Logan Airport to get on flight 11. Why?

Good question.

And the CAPPS stuff is very interesting too. I appreciate what you are saying about how convenient it is that they would have pictures of Atta, boarding a plane in Portland, but not in Boston.

Regarding Atta’s luggage failing to make the transfer from the Portland flight to the Boston Flight 11.  We know that the luggage was intercepted, and again it is very convenient given that it was supposedly the ‘Rosetta Stone’ for revealing the identities of all 19 etc. I can see what you are saying about it tending to show that Atta wasn’t on board. However, if he was rushing from the Portland flight onto Flight 11 in Boston, perhaps this might be another explanation.


‘A staff report to the 9/11 Commission later concluded: "The Portland detour almost prevented Atta and Alomari from making Flight 11 out of Boston. In fact, the luggage they checked in Portland failed to make it onto the plane.’

So was it the fact that they had so little time to place Atta’s luggage on board, added to the fact that it was flagged under the CAPPS system and this added to the delay? (which also raises the important question of why he was flagged) Or was he simply not on board?

Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm


Perhaps he was on board, but it wasn’t confirmed in time and the plane took off?

The Wiki page (first link at top) claims that the boarding of flight 11 was running behind schedule.

‘The flight was regularly scheduled for takeoff at 7:45 a.m. However, boarding was running behind schedule, and at 7:45 a.m., lead hijackers Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari were still boarding the plane. In the rush, Atta's bags were not loaded onto the plane in time.’

The citation is given as the Newsday article, but this article doesn’t even give the time at which they boarded flight 11.





The timing of the flights is also strange, raising again the question, why would Atta take this risk of going to Portland?

According to the Newsday article:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uslugg274705186apr17,0,6096142.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

‘Mohamed Atta, a chief coordinator of the hijackings, and conspirator Abdulaziz Alomari spent the night before the attacks in room 232 of a Comfort Inn south of Portland. They checked out at 5:33 a.m. on Sept. 11. Portland Police Chief Michael Chitwood said they drove in a rented blue Nissan Altima - eventually seized by the FBI - to Portland International Jetport.

Records show the Altima was parked in an airport lot about 5:45, allowing Atta and Alomari only a few minutes to catch a 6 a.m. commuter flight to Boston's Logan Airport. Although they planned to hijack an American Airlines jet that would take off from Logan later that morning, investigators said they might have gone through Portland in the belief that airport security would be less stringent there.’

So they managed to drive to the airport and park in under 8 minutes, and then catch the Portland-Boston flight with their luggage on board in 15 minutes! Seems odd that. Investigators speculate that this allowed Atta, to get by Boston’s airport security. Who knows?



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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 10:56:52 AM »
Investigators speculate that this allowed Atta, to get by Boston’s airport security.


The Portland detour that is, not the short amount of time.

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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 12:51:37 PM »
Yea, maybe he was just running late and his bags were not put on in time, because of it. However you do realize that they would have to come up with a reason, other than CAPPS? Because CAPPS will keep your bags off the plane until you are confirmed to be on it. And he was flagged under CAPPS. And Atta is the only passenger to not have his bags placed on board.

As far as the $100,000 cnn also reported it and the Wall street Journal as well. In lose change Final Cut Sander Hicks said the FBI confirmed it. I'll see if I can confirm that too(about the FBI). If it's true, he is not going on board a plane to kill himself.

You know what would end this speculation? The ticket Agent that took his boarding pass in Boston. Well, find out who they are. Because the Travel Agent in Portland was all over the news. Why not the one from Boston? According to him she killed herself. For this to be debunked we need to hear from the Ticket agent in Boston saying he got on the plane. Sounds easy enough. I couldn't find them. If anyone else can, then we can try and decide their credibility. I don't mind being debunked at all. I want to get to the bottom of this. But that's how easy it is. If that ticket agent in Boston is dead, or can't be identified, then as far as I'm concerned, it's proof.
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 01:00:46 PM »
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The sources are given in the Wiki article, so either the sources would have to be false, or much less likely I would think, Boston airtraffic control would have to be lying if you go with the idea that Atta wasn’t on board.
There is no reason for them to lie. They assumed it was ATTA because he was assumed to be the pilot. I'm going to check later, and I bet there was another in this group who also "took flying lessons"

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There is little doubt that there where hijackers on board. But how did air traffic control know it was Atta though?

They couldn't know.



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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 01:10:06 PM »
Yea, maybe he was just running late and his bags were not put on in time, because of it. However you do realize that they would have to come up with a reason, other than CAPPS? Because CAPPS will keep your bags off the plane until you are confirmed to be on it. And he was flagged under CAPPS. And Atta is the only passenger to not have his bags placed on board.


According to this, Atta arrived on time at 6.50 am in Boston, just to answer my own earlier question.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/flight11.html




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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 02:25:04 PM »
Yea, maybe he was just running late and his bags were not put on in time, because of it. However you do realize that they would have to come up with a reason, other than CAPPS? Because CAPPS will keep your bags off the plane until you are confirmed to be on it. And he was flagged under CAPPS. And Atta is the only passenger to not have his bags placed on board.



I was thinking that the search might cause a delay. But the commission report doesn't say that.

Reading the linked page, his baggage was actually checked in Portland, having been flagged by CAPPS. And then as you quoted:

'Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm'

So the system spotted him in Portland en route to Boston. And they then went onto the plane. i.e. to put the above quote in other words, 'they where checked and held until he was confirmed on the Portland-Boston plane and then they where put in the hold and arrived with him Boston'.

'When he checked in for his flight to Boston, Atta was selected by a computerized prescreening system known as CAPPS (Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System), created to identify passengers who should be subject to special security measures. Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft. This did not hinder Atta's plans.

Atta and Omari arrived in Boston at 6:45.'




So how do we account for the fact that Atta's luggage was left at Boston airport? From this I would take it to mean that Atta wasn't even selected by CAPPS in Boston, whereas three other alleged hi-jackers where:

'While Atta had been selected by CAPPS in Portland, three members of his hijacking team-Suqami, Wail al Shehri, and Waleed al Shehri-were selected in Boston. Their selection affected only the handling of their checked bags, not their screening at the checkpoint. All five men cleared the checkpoint and made their way to the gate for American 11. Atta, Omari, and Suqami took their seats in business class (seats 8D, 8G, and 10B, respectively). The Shehri brothers had adjacent seats in row 2 (Wail in 2A,Waleed in 2B), in the first-class cabin. They boarded American 11 between 7:31 and 7:40. The aircraft pushed back from the gate at 7:40.'

So assuming Atta, checked his bags in in Boston and didn't leave them in the Airport lobby, why where they not on board the plane.

Jimd, I'm not sure you can say that Atta's bags not being on the plane, helps show he wasn't on the plane. Was his luggage even flagged by CAPPS in Boston? The Commission report suggests to me that it was in Portland that they where flagged, and that it wasn't a problem.

Would this have meant that the bags would have been literally searched in Portland?

And why, if it was nothing to do with the CAPPS system, where his bags not on board flight 11? Where his the only bags that didn't make it onto the plane? Can you provide a source or any further information about that?

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Reading the linked page, his baggage was actually checked in Portland, having been flagged by CAPPS. And then as you quoted:

'Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm'

So the system spotted him in Portland en route to Boston. And they then went onto the plane. i.e. to put the above quote in other words, 'they where checked and held until he was confirmed on the Portland-Boston plane and then they where put in the hold and arrived with him Boston'.
Yes, he arrived in Boston and the media reports it as he was running late(it doesn't matter, he made it and so did his bags, you are supposed to be manipulated into thinking he was late arriving in Boston as an excuse for his bags not making it--he wasn't)He was flagged at Portland under CAPPS...meaning your bags don't go on plane until you do. His bags did go and so did he.

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'When he checked in for his flight to Boston, Atta was selected by a computerized prescreening system known as CAPPS (Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System), created to identify passengers who should be subject to special security measures. Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft. This did not hinder Atta's plans.

That's right, but you are about to fall for something.

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Atta and Omari arrived in Boston at 6:45.'
Not late, there is no reason for his bags not going on the plane except for one--CAPPS-he doesn't get on plane--his bags don't either.


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So how do we account for the fact that Atta's luggage was left at Boston airport? From this I would take it to mean that Atta wasn't even selected by CAPPS in Boston, whereas three other alleged hi-jackers where:
Exactly! That is what you are supposed to think. They said the others were selected by CAPPS, that is because he ALREADY was selected in Portland. Now see how you fell for the "CAPPS was in Portland-not Boston"..BS?) The reason CAPPS was even started was to stop bojinka type plots...plots where you have connecting flights and then not make your connecting flight and plane goes boom! CAPPS was still in effect for ATTA, and his one way connecting flight.....which is why I quoted the excerpt from the document explaining the CAPPS rules....The FAA has determined that this proposed requirement is necessary to prevent explosive devices concealed in checked baggage transferred from earlier flights from being introduced into the holds of airplanes.
http://epic.org/privacy/faa/profile_NPRM.html
So when Atta was in Boston for his connecting flight--CAPPS rules still applied to him--he had already been flagged-meaning his bags don't get on the plane until he does-especially on connecting flights!

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'While Atta had been selected by CAPPS in Portland, three members of his hijacking team-Suqami, Wail al Shehri, and Waleed al Shehri-were selected in Boston. Their selection affected only the handling of their checked bags, not their screening at the checkpoint. All five men cleared the checkpoint and made their way to the gate for American 11. Atta, Omari, and Suqami took their seats in business class (seats 8D, 8G, and 10B, respectively). The Shehri brothers had adjacent seats in row 2 (Wail in 2A,Waleed in 2B), in the first-class cabin. They boarded American 11 between 7:31 and 7:40. The aircraft pushed back from the gate at 7:40.'

So assuming Atta, checked his bags in in Boston and didn't leave them in the Airport lobby, why where they not on board the plane.

That's the point. They don't go on the plane until it is confirmed you boarded-CAPPS rules still applied to Atta.

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Jimd, I'm not sure you can say that Atta's bags not being on the plane, helps show he wasn't on the plane. Was his luggage even flagged by CAPPS in Boston?

The FAA has determined that this proposed
requirement is necessary to prevent explosive devices concealed in
checked baggage transferred from earlier flights from being introduced into the holds of airplanes.
http://epic.org/privacy/faa/profile_NPRM.html
See? There is no point in having CAPPS if you are only going to screen their first leg of the flight, because they have would just not go on the connecting flight, it would be a useless system and very stupid. The document makes clear, it applies to your connecting flight as well. So the answer is yes, he was flagged by CAPPS in Portland and it still applied in Boston. At least that's how I'm reading it.


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The Commission report suggests to me that it was in Portland that they where flagged, and that it wasn't a problem.
That's what you're supposed to think.

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Would this have meant that the bags would have been literally searched in Portland?
No, they would be kept off the plane until it was confirmed he boarded.

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And why, if it was nothing to do with the CAPPS system, where his bags not on board flight 11?

There is no reason for his bags being left off the plane other than CAPPS.

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Where his the only bags that didn't make it onto the plane? Can you provide a source or any further information about that?
As it happens, Atta was the only passenger among the 81 aboard American Flight 11 whose luggage didn't make the flight, American sources confirm.
from: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28904
I find some things in the story pretty shady...no sources are named, I think this guy was fed a story...the writer is Paul Sperry.
 Paul Sperry, formerly WND's Washington bureau chief, is a Hoover Institution media fellow and author of "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/pageId=43&authorId=159&tId=7
The Hoover Institution is influential in the American conservative and libertarian movements, and the Institution has long been a place of scholarship for high profile conservatives with government experience. A number of fellows have connections to or positions in the Bush administration, and other Republican administrations. On September 8, 2007 the Hoover Institution announced that former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld had accepted an invitation to join the institution as a one-year visiting fellow [2] [3]. A non-political figure who played a key role in the Bush Administration's Iraq policy, Retired Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, former commander of the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), recently joined the Hoover Institution (as the first Annenberg Distinguished Visiting Fellow) [4]. Other fellows of the Institution include such high profile conservatives as Condoleezza Rice, George Shultz, Newt Gingrich, Thomas Sowell, Dinesh D'Souza, Shelby Steele, Edwin Meese and Pete Wilson. Since 2001, Hoover has published Policy Review.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 06:55:35 PM »
I see what you are saying. The CAPPS system was used precisely for connecting flags, like Bojinka. And that because we know he was flagged in Portland, he was being observed to see if he got on the plane, but his bags would not have been actually searched, it was a measure to prevent somebody sending a bomb onto the plane and escaping. As your link says:

http://epic.org/privacy/faa/profile_NPRM.html

'SUMMARY: The FAA is proposing that each certificate holder required
under Sec. 108.5 to adopt and implement an FAA-approved security
program screen checked baggage or conduct passenger-to-bag matching for
scheduled passenger operations within the United States when using an
airplane having a passenger seating configuration of more than 60
seats. The security of checked baggage on domestic flights may be
accomplished by screening the checked baggage of every passenger with
FAA-certified explosives detection system (EDS) equipment, by 100%
positive passenger bag matching (PPBM), or by utilizing the FAA-
approved computer-assisted passenger screening (CAPS) system to select
passengers whose checked baggage must be subjected to additional
security measures. The checked baggage of CAPS selectees would be
screened by EDS equipment, where available, or bag matching would be
applied. These requirements for checked baggage on domestic flights are
intended to prevent or deter the introduction of explosives or
incendiary devices into the cargo holds of airplanes on flights within
the United States. This proposal is necessary to provide a high level
of security for domestic civil aviation.'

So the most likely explanation would be that he simply did not get on the flight. Others will say that bags get lost all the time though. But it appears that his bags weren't put onto the plane because he wasn't logged as having boarded. This is very interesting and pretty much blows away the official account of flight 11 in terms of its adequecy and credibility. This after all goes right to the heart of the events of 911; the actions of the alleged plot leader and the recovery of the key piece of evidence as to the identities of the hijackers. Nice job! :)

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 09:03:42 PM »
You got it. Now, like I said. This is extrememly easy to debunk. Just show me the ticket agent in Boston who can say, "he boarded the plane".

Who is it? Why the mystery? The ticket agent in Portland is all over the place. Who cares? Where is the ticket agent that would confirm Atta boarded in Boston? Once again another article, this one from Sept 2006, about the ticket agent in Portland, again saying the one in Boston is dead!
From http://www.yankeemagazine.com/issues/2006-09/features/ticketagent

The Maine Connection: Michael Tuohey
Five years later, Portland ticket agent profoundly remembers 9/11
by Mel Allen

 After all those years working the dawn flights at Logan, and then for 16 more at Portland, Mike Tuohey still awakens by 4 a.m., searching for first light over the river that cuts through the marsh. He loves the stillness. The house he shares with his second wife, a flight attendant, rises from the tall grasses like a handsome boat; from its windows, he watches seabirds dart over the wildlife preserve that stretches to the ocean. This is when everything seems right. The promise of a day ahead -- working his land, coaxing a garden from the marsh. "It's where I find peace," he says.

He's 60, and until the airline downsized two years ago, he'd been with US Airways (formerly Allegheny Airlines) since he was 21, just out of the Army. "I was going to work until I died at that counter," he says. "I loved my work." He grew up poor in Roxbury, Massachusetts, an Irish-Italian kid who left school at 16, full of attitude and street smarts. "I'm the first in my family to own a house," he says with pride. "I had five brothers and my father had five brothers, and I was the first."

Each day at his home in Scarborough, Maine, begins the same: At dawn he walks down a dirt road to collect the Boston Globe from his mailbox. He walks back. He flicks on CNN and sips coffee. He lights a Winston, the first of many. This day promises to be gorgeous -- warm, blue sky, sea breezes.

He's expecting a visitor, a reporter, at noon who will ask about a day five years ago, a day Mike Tuohey remembers began so beautifully. "The kind of morning when you sniff the air and think, 'Oh, it's getting cooler now.' A spectacular morning. The sky the bluest of blues. A day so perfect you'd never want to be anywhere else."

That morning, September 11, 2001, he drove six miles to the Portland International Jetport. He was dressed smartly in his blue US Airways jacket, crisp white shirt, red and blue tie. His sandy hair and mustache were immaculate, as always. He stood at his usual first-class and preferred passengers post. A slow Tuesday morning at summer's end. There were flights to Philly, New York, and Pittsburgh; a 19-passenger commuter prop was leaving at 6 a.m. for Boston. It was 5:40, and all the Boston passengers seemed to be on their way upstairs. He told the ticket agent alongside him that he was going to take a smoke break, but then he saw two men walking toward his counter.

That's what his visitor will talk to him about. The same as CNN, Good Morning America, a National Geographic documentary crew, and Oprah. They all came calling after his name appeared in declassified documents following the release of The 9/11 Commission Report. He talked to everyone, and then he just had to stop. "I thought I could put it behind me," he says. "I thought I could just grab it and confront it. I figured, the more I confront it, I won't let it bother me." He pauses. "I was wrong. There's never a day without thinking about that day. It's just there. It's in your blood, your system. Your feelings. It's like the sky -- always there. It's like you know your name. How do you try and not know your name?"

In the early afternoon, Mike Tuohey sits with his visitor in his sun-soaked kitchen. "I motioned them over," he says. "These guys showed up 20 minutes prior. Back then, I didn't think anything of it. Back then, it was all set up for convenience of passengers." They checked two bags, carrying two more.

He punched their names into the computer: Mohamed Atta. Abdul Aziz al Omari. One-way first-class tickets to Boston, $2,400 apiece, connecting to American Airlines Flight 11 to Los Angeles. "I don't usually see that," Tuohey says. "It's impressive when you're seeing someone paying $2,400 for a first-class ticket.

"I never liked the system where you give a boarding pass to a follow-up flight. I worked for US Airways, not American. So I just gave them a boarding pass from here to Boston."
"They told me one-step check-in," Atta insisted. "They told me one-step check-in."

"Everyone knows the pictures of the guy now," Tuohey continues. "That cold, hard picture. Well that is a warm and cuddly look compared to what I saw. My stomach literally turned over when Atta looked at me. I thought, 'Why is this man so angry?' He was looking at me sideways, and all this anger and contempt came through. I thought, 'If this guy doesn't look like an Arab terrorist, nobody does.' I've checked in hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world, and he's the only one who made me have that reaction. I remember telling myself, 'Stop being a jerk. These are Arab businessmen.' Those were the exact words that went through my head."

Tuohey stands up and presses his face right beside his visitor's. "We locked eyes," he says. "We were this close. And I said, 'Mr. Atta, if you don't go now, you will miss your plane.'"

Atta and Omari made their connection in Boston, and at 8:46 a.m., Atta, a trained pilot, steered American Airlines Flight 11 into the North Tower of the World Trade Center, beginning a day like no other in American history. Investigators later concluded that Atta, the acknowledged leader of the September 11 terrorist attacks, flew from Maine because he did not want the 10 hijackers who would leave from Boston arriving at the airport together (United Flight 175, which struck the South Tower, departed from Logan shortly after).

In his kitchen, Tuohey pauses. Inhales, exhales smoke. His eyes well with tears, and for the next minute he cannot speak. He gathers himself. "Why didn't I recognize the devil? I did recognize him. But I didn't stop him.

"This is the most painful thing. I've always trusted my instincts. Always. But you have to know what it was like then. If you respond and are wrong, you get screwed." He lays out a different scenario for his visitor. A what-if. This time he trusts his gut. He calls security. The men miss their flight. "Suppose they had been just businessmen. They don't get to L.A. Maybe lose out on a multimillion-dollar business deal. They sue our airline for millions. We also get fined $1.5 million for racial profiling. I'd have put the whole company in jeopardy."

Everyone has told Tuohey he was not to blame. But still. He had lived by his wits all his life, had made his way being street-smart. "My whole being told me something was wrong, and I could not do anything about it." He knows the fate of others whose lives brushed so briefly against Atta's. The manager of the hotel in South Portland where the two men stayed on September 10 -- her life unraveled. She lost her job, and told a reporter she knew she'd never be the same. Oprah Winfrey, with Tuohey as her studio guest, told 20 million viewers that a woman who'd worked at American Airlines in Boston had later killed herself. Earlier, Oprah's producer had told Tuohey she had a message from the woman's husband: "It's not your fault."

"When she said that," Tuohey says, "it felt like a stone was lifted from my heart."

Some days, anger kicks in. Anger he knows he's shoved inside, only to have it dig at him until, without warning, he starts sobbing so deeply he cannot breathe. At those times, he calls the friends he grew up with and they say, "What's wrong with you? What the f--- is wrong? It's not your fault!"

He talks now about the anger. About all he learned in the years after. About a briefing to the president on August 6, 2001. "It was all there," Tuohey says. "Osama bin Laden. Hijackings. Buildings in New York City. These weren't dots they had to connect. These were potholes. If just those words -- hijackings, terrorists -- had come down to us, we'd have gone to level 3 security. Now here I am. I have two young Arabic men in front of me. One-way tickets, checking in just minutes before departure. At level 3, I would have been required to notify security. Their bags would have been opened. What we saw would have set off suspicions: a pilot's uniform, a video on flying jets. Airline pilots do not buy $2,400 first-class tickets. Airline pilots are the cheapest people on earth. Right there, we would have known something was wrong. This was preventable."

The FBI talked with Tuohey long into the evening on September 11. He asked them to keep his name out of the newspapers. A few days later, they came to his house with photos of all 19 hijackers. They asked him if he could point to the two he checked in. "It took me 30 seconds," he says, "to find Atta."

In the days following the attack, Tuohey went back to his ticket counter, carried on. He cried in the days after September 11, but so did everyone, and he convinced himself he was OK. Then, in the summer of 2004, The 9/11 Commission Report went public.

"I just started crying," he says. "I'd say, 'Get over it. Get over it.'" He'd be at the mailbox and he'd see Mohamed Atta driving a car. He'd be at The Maine Mall and Atta would be strolling 100 feet ahead. "My heart would pound. My stomach felt like ice," Tuohey says. "I ran after him.... I knew it wasn't him, but at that moment it was. I know it sounds bizarre, so I don't talk about it. I would say to myself, 'Look, he's dead.' But it still scares you. It really hit me when I tried to find an excuse not to go to my mother's funeral. Just because of the fact that entered my mind -- that's not me. I'd grown afraid to go out. I was afraid to see Atta."

It's another morning. The sea breeze ripples the American flag that flies from Mike Tuohey's front porch. He's trying to find answers through counseling. He says when you grow up where he did, you don't talk about problems with strangers; but he thinks -- he hopes -- he'll find his way out of this strange world he now finds himself in.

His truck bed is piled high with mulch. He says his wife has only five years more of work and then she will retire. He knows what they'll do. There is an island chain he knows about, far out in the Indian Ocean. "People who've been there tell me the water is so clear, you can look down and see 250 feet," he says. "That's where we'll go." For now, he will do this: He will watch for birds, he will smell summer wash over the marsh, he will go to a lake deep in northern Maine where he will camp and fish for bass. He will cry, and he says he is crying, too, for the safety that was snatched from everyone that day. And he will dig in the soil and push in seeds of lettuce, tomatoes, corn, and peppers, then wait for them to come to life.

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Sooooooooo....where is the ticket agent from Boston? To debunk this someone is going to have to give me the name of the ticket Agent that confirms Atta got on board flt 11.....not the ticket agent that confirms he got on board a flight out of Portland Ore.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 10:01:49 PM »
Sooooooooo....where is the ticket agent from Boston? To debunk this someone is going to have to give me the name of the ticket Agent that confirms Atta got on board flt 11.....not the ticket agent that confirms he got on board a flight out of Portland Ore.

So the rumour is she killed herself. AA spokesman denies this...here is what he said...
from: http://susiemadrak.com/2007/01/18/22/18/retraction-2/
 
William,

I stumbled on to your blog today as I was doing an Internet rumor search. You
easily guess what rumor I was tracking down. ABCs Nightline called today asking about a rumor that an American Airlines agent in Boston had checked in Mohamed Atta and then killed herself later out of guilt. I couldnt remember the name of the US Airways agent who had fabricated the rumor and that is how I came upon your blog  through the omniscient Google, of course.

Because of privacy policies, I cant give you a ton of information. However, I can tell you that the American Airlines agent who checked in Mohamed Atta is alive.

I realize this is coming to you several months after your blog string, but you've now got this for closure.

Best regards,

Tim Wagner
Spokesman
American Airlines
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So that's where we're at. Dead or not they sure are quite.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2008, 10:06:34 AM »
Regarding Atta supposedly being sent $100,000 by the ISI. The source for this is Indian intelligence. It was reported in an Indian newspaper and picked up by others. But we know that India and Pakistan aren’t the best friends. I recall having spoken with debunkers about this that they say there is nothing to back this up. And that the Indian intelligence are simply trying to smear the ISI by telling lies.

"As to September 11th, federal authorities have told ABC News they have now tracked more than $100,000 from banks in Pakistan, to two banks in Florida, to accounts held by suspected hijack ring leader, Mohammed Atta. As well . . . "Time Magazine" is reporting that some of that money came in the days just before the attack and can be traced directly to people connected to Osama bin Laden. It's all part of what has been a successful FBI effort so far to close in on the hijacker's high commander, the money men, the planners and the mastermind." 9

9. Statement of Brian Ross reporting on information conveyed to him by the FBI, ABC News, This Week, September 30, 2001.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh's mobile phone number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=95001298

And there is this...

Testimony of J. T. Caruso, Deputy Assistant Director, Counterterrorism Division, FBI
Before the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Defense
October 3, 2001
"Penttbom"

Part of his testimony was about false news reports, here is what he said.....

I would like to comment on some of the more prevalent reports regarding the September 11th attacks.

Early in the investigation, reports emerged that the FBI had detained two Middle Eastern males found wearing Delta Airlines pilots' uniforms, carrying false pilots' licenses as well as box cutters. These reports were untrue.
According to some media reports, two of the hijackers were on a so-called "FBI Watch List" and were under active FBI surveillance at the time of the attacks. Prior to the events of September 11, the FBI did not maintain a "watch list" and none of the 19 hijackers were under surveillance. In the aftermath of the attacks, the FBI compiled a list of those individuals who the FBI, through investigation, determined may have some information about one or more of the hijackers or about related activities. This list has grown to over 400 names. It is important to note that these are persons the FBI is interested in interviewing; they are not 400 suspected hijackers.
Just days ago, the FBI was reported to have foiled a terrorist plot to fly a hijacked plane into the Sears Tower in Chicago. The FBI is unaware of any such plot.
Media reports also contend that the FBI had advance warnings since 1995 of the plot to hijack U.S. airliners. The FBI had no warnings about any hijack plots. There was a widely publicized 1995 conspiracy in the Philippines to remotely blow up 11 U.S. airliners over the Pacific Ocean but that plot was disrupted. As is the practice, the information obtained during that investigation was widely disseminated, even internationally, and thoroughly analyzed by multiple agencies. It does not connect to the current case.
Most recently, the media has focused on an individual in Minneapolis who has been detained since August 17 on immigration charges. It has been suggested that this individual, Zacarias Moussaoui, was training to be the fifth hijacker on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. Media accounts also suggest that the FBI did not actively investigate Moussaoui until after the September 11th attacks. The FBI conducted vigorous investigation of Moussaoui upon learning of his detention in mid-August, to include seizing his computer, contacting foreign officials for additional information, and seeking a number of authorities under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to conduct further investigation. In addition, information about Moussaoui was shared throughout the Intelligence Community prior to September 11th. Although there was insufficient evidence to establish that Moussaoui was an "agent" of a foreign power or terrorist group as required for a FISA warrant, the FBI pursued all reasonable and lawful investigative steps since mid-August.

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/caruso100301.htm

He didn't mention the wire transfer as false. Although, his testimony is interesting in that he is acting like the following is not true, he is being technically correct....the CIA had this knowledge, ..when he said..According to some media reports, two of the hijackers were on a so-called "FBI Watch List" and were under active FBI surveillance at the time of the attacks. Prior to the events of September 11, the FBI did not maintain a "watch list" and none of the 19 hijackers were under surveillance. and when he said...Media reports also contend that the FBI had advance warnings since 1995 of the plot to hijack U.S. airliners. The FBI had no warnings about any hijack plots. There was a widely publicized 1995 conspiracy in the Philippines to remotely blow up 11 U.S. airliners over the Pacific Ocean but that plot was disrupted. As is the practice, the information obtained during that investigation was widely disseminated, even internationally, and thoroughly analyzed by multiple agencies. It does not connect to the current case.BS...http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=29217.msg117568#msg117568

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2008, 07:17:30 AM »
Ace Pilot   ::) Hani Hanjour on the morning of 9/11 boarding flight 77......


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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2008, 07:29:56 AM »
The lies, it's so deep....Lord, will we ever find our way again, forgive us.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2008, 07:34:08 AM »
The lies, it's so deep....Lord, will we ever find our way again, forgive us.
Yeah, it's like I can't even glance for a second at that part of the morning of 9/11 because we are being bombarded and attacked from every angle, it's a hell of a task just trying to keep up with half of what AJ presents to us on his daily program!
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2008, 01:40:42 PM »
Atta was flagged by CAPPS. When flagged by CAPPS your bags are not loaded until it is confirmed you got on the plane. Atta's bags were not loaded, and no one knows why, but I just gave an explanation.

This thread names the ticket agent who let Atta on the plane that had nothing to do with 9/11(flight from Portland to Boston)but the relevant agent who would confirm his boarding of flight 11 is unknown and rumoured to be "suicided".

One thought is perhaps he was running late, and that's why his bags weren't loaded? There is no evidence he was running late.

In fact according to this unclassified FBI timeline, when he arrived at Boston Logan airport he was hanging out at the coffee shop. This timeline again gives detailed info on his irrelevant Portland to Boston flight, but not him boarding flight 11...instead they claim he's hanging out at the coffee shop.

Once again...I'm perfectly willing to accept he got on board flight 11, I would just like some proof he did, instead of all the evidence he didn't.

From:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/fbi911timeline3.pdf
pages 79/87 and 80/87

3392            Mohamed Atta and Al-Omari board Colgan Air(U.S. Air Flight to Boston. Sat in seat 9(back). Airplane was a beachcraft 1900 C Model. There were six other passengers and none of those went on to American Airlines.
 
3394  Mohamed Atta and Al Omari go through Security at Portland Airport

3395            Mohamed Atta and Al- Omari arrive at Logan Terminal B

3396             Eyewitness sighting of Mohamed Atta at Coffee shop by American Airlines Gate at Logan Airport
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2009, 04:08:44 PM »
The 9/11 commission has released documents to the National Archives. Naturally I was interested to see their interview of the gate agent who let Atta on board flight 11. Or evidence as to why the bags were left off the plane. We know he was flagged by CAPPS which would keep his bags off the plane until it was confirmed he boarded. Under CAPPS the gate agent would contact the baggage team who would have his bags marked as a "security issue" to tell them to keep his bags from being loaded if he didn't board. Any evidence they did this? Yes. This confirms the gate agent did contact the baggage handlers concerning Attas' luggage, but then they try and spin their way out of it, in a bizarre way. The document is here.......
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

But first a recap.....

They admit in their final report Atta was selected by CAPPS and the consequences of that.....

"Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft."
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

But in the final report as Biffa has noted in this thread, they imply and want you to believe, that his checked bags being left off the plane only applied at Portland when in fact it would apply even more on his connecting flight....flight 11 from Logan. That was the whole reason for implementing the CAPPS system.

"The FAA has determined that this proposed requirement is necessary to prevent explosive devices concealed in checked baggage transferred from earlier flights from being introduced into the holds of airplanes."
http://epic.org/privacy/faa/profile_NPRM.html

They really seem to be going out of their way to avoid naming the ticket agent who could confirm Atta boarding flight 11. They don't try to hide the other ticket agents.

Flt 11 flew out of Logan on American Airlines. Flight 175 also flew out of Logan on United Airlines. The name of the ticket agent for flight 175 who confirmed the hijackers boarding was named Gail Jawahir. The 9/11 commission mentions them by name.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=gail_jawahir_1

They also name the ticket agent in portland who confirms Atta got on the plane to fly to Logan. Is named Michel Tuohey, they don't hide this ticket agent either.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_tuohey_1

9/11 commission staff statement number 3...

"On American Airlines Flight 11, CAPPS chose three of the five hijackers as selectees. Since Waleed al Shehri checked no bags, his selection had no consequences. Wail al Shehri and Satam al Suqami had their checked bags scanned for explosives before they were loaded onto the plane."
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_3.pdf

They "forgot" to mention Atta. As they did in the released 9/11 commission book, they are trying to say that Atta was not selected for CAPPS before boarding flight 11. Yea, no kidding, because he was ALREADY selected when he flew from Portland to make flight 11 his connecting flight. This is the reason CAPPS was even invented, to see if you would board your connecting flight(in Attas' case that would be flight 11)this was imposed because of project Bojinka in which the passenger would fly on a plane(like Atta did from Portland Maine) and then not make the connecting flight and by a timer blow up his baggage(and plane).

"All five of the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers were selected for security scrutiny. Hani Hanjour, Khalid al Mihdhar, and Majed Moqed were chosen via the CAPPS criteria, while Nawaf al Hazmi and Salem al Hazmi were made selectees because they provided inadequate identification information. Their bags were held until it was confirmed that they had boarded the aircraft."

"Thus, for hijacker selectees Hani Hanjour, Nawaf al Hazmi, and Khalid al Mihdhar, who checked no bags on September 11, there were no consequences for their selection by the CAPPS system. For Salem Al-Hazmi, who checked two bags, and Majed Moqed, who checked one bag, the sole consequence was that their baggage was held until after their boarding on Flight 77 was confirmed."
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_3.pdf

For some reason the name of the ticket agent for flight 11 is kept secret.
 
Now lets look at this bizarre report concerning Atta and his luggage from the just released 9/11 commission notes....

"On 09/11/2001, Mohammed Atta boarded US Airways Express Flight 5930 at the Jetport, Portland, ME. Atta check two suitcases, a brand name Travelpro pull-along suitcase, black in color and a brand name Travel Gear suitcase, green in color. Investigation determined that the Travel Gear suitcase belonged to Abdul Aziz al Omari. The Travelpro suitcase had US Airways baggage ticket LAX US 138529 and the Travel Gear suitcase had US Airways baggage ticket LAX US 138530. The tickets were attached to the suitcases, and recorded electronically in the database of US Airways and American Airlines. Both suitcases were check through to Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). The suitcases were to be transferred to American Airlines (AA) Flight 11, departing Logan International Airport (BOS) for LAX. US Airways flight 5930 departed from the Jetport, Portland, ME at 6:00 am and arrived at Logan International Airport at 7:00 am. AA Flight 11 departed from Logan Airport at 7:45 am. The reference for this information is FBI report form (FD-302) interview of <<redacted>> American Airlines passenger agent, and the passenger name record for Atta, maintained by American Airlines."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

See? The name of this ticket agent is a big f**king secret. So is the guy handling the bags that were kept off the plane. Why? Continuing on...

"Prior to departure, AA Flight 11, a Boeing 767 was serviced under the supervision of<<redacted>>. A FBI report of interview is the source for this information (32-7431 ). <<redacted>>is a ramp service manager for American Airlines at Logan International Airport. He is responsible for the cleaning, fueling and baggage loading of American Airlines aircraft. On 9/11/2001 he supervised the cleaning, refueling and baggage loading of AA Flight 11. AA Flight 11 was an aircraft that arrived from San Francisco, CA at 6:00 am, and therefore was described as a "turn-around flight." Mr. <<redacted>> stated that at 7:30 <<redacted>> crew chief for Flight 11 received a call from a passenger service representative, stating that a passenger had just boarded Flight 11, and the passenger service representative wanted to determine if the passenger's two suitcases had arrived from US Airways. <<redacted>> told the passenger service representative, also known as a gate agent, that the suitcases had arrived, but would not be put on Flight 11, because the baggage compartment had already been locked for departure. <<redacted>>noted that it was unusual for the passenger service representative to call the ramp crew, unless the affected passenger has asked about the baggage."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

Notice how everyone involved in keeping the bags off the plane is a "secret"?

"It is presently unresolved if the two identified gate agents for American Airlines, <<redacted and redacted>>called the ramp personnel servicing Flight 11 and asked if Atta's suitcases had been placed on to the flight. This could be accomplished with follow-up interviews of the two gate agents.  Additionally, the American Airlines crew chief, <<redacted>> should be interviewed concerning his conversation with "passenger service representatives" about Atta's luggage."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

What? You mean this probably never happened? Yea, lets see these interviews where are they?

"There are two issues for the Commission to consider. First, is whether Atta intended his luggage be discovered and searched? Based on what is reported as having occurred, this is unlikely. The search of Atta's Travelpro suitcase provided early information about the nature of the Islamist threat, the probable links to al Qaeda, and the techniques used in the hijacking of the aircraft. Atta was concerned enough about whether his luggage had been switched from US Airways Flight 5930 to American Airlines Flight 11 that he made a last minute request to the gate agent about the suitcases. It is conclusive, that Atta did not want his suitcase to be discovered and searched."http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

Outrageous. Simply outrageous. It is very very important to Atta that his suitcases be loaded onto the cargo hold to be incinerated later.  ::) Based on evidently nothing, they expect to convince you the following happened as Atta was boarding.......
Atta--"Hey, I just want to make sure my bags are being loaded onto the plane, could you call someone to make sure they are loaded, I have a VHS tape in there that I need to have in the cargo hold and a copy of the Koran I want incinerated because that's how we Islamic fanatics roll".
Ticket agent--"Absolutely sir, let me make a call to the baggage guy"
Baggage guy--"Hello Baggage guy here"
Ticket agent--"Hi, I'm the ticket agent for flight 11 and one of the passengers here just wants to make sure his luggage will be in the cargo hold for this flight did you load it? His name is Atta, it's the bags that were flagged for security reasons"
Baggage guy--"You know I just locked it up, all the bags are on board except for those two, and I don't feel like unlocking it it's my break time now"


Give me a f**kin break............continuing on with this memo....

"The second issue is the identification of Atta as a "security issue." The two
suitcases had a covert tag from US Airways to warn that Atta and his luggage were a security issue. When a last minute inquiry was made, apparently on the behalf of Atta about the status of his suitcases, no one at American Airlines thought to search the luggage. After the terrorist attacks this would become standard procedure. It is unclear now what was the American Airlines' policy or the Federal Aviation Administration's policy pre-09/11/2001, for the search of luggage that may pose a threat, or be evidence of criminal activity."

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

What complete garbage. The policy has been spelled out and sourced in this thread and their own staff statement number 3, I showed earlier, explains what the policy is. Bags left off the plane until confirmation that you boarded. This memo proved that Attas' bags were flagged by CAPPS, the Ticket Agent contacted the baggage handler in regards to these bags and they were left off the plane. I'm still looking for some kind of proof Atta boarded flight 11 instead of all this proof he didn't.

The fact that they are keeping everyone involved with these bags a secret only heightens the probability of this theory IMO.
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2009, 11:42:04 AM »
The 9/11 commission report is trying to imply that CAPPS did not apply to Atta when he arrived at Logan. This is preposterous......They admit he was flagged by CAPPS when he boarded in Portland.......

"Under security rules in place at the time, the only consequence of Atta's selection by CAPPS was that his checked bags were held off the plane until it was confirmed that he had boarded the aircraft."
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

They try and pretend at Logan he was not flagged by CAPPS, and he wasn't....because he was ALREADY UNDER CAPPS RULES...That's why CAPPS existed...because of connecting flights....

"The FAA has determined that this proposed requirement is necessary to prevent explosive devices concealed in checked baggage transferred from earlier flights from being introduced into the holds of airplanes."
http://epic.org/privacy/faa/profile_NPRM.html


"On American Airlines Flight 11, CAPPS chose three of the five hijackers as selectees. Since Waleed al Shehri checked no bags, his selection had no consequences. Wail al Shehri and Satam al Suqami had their checked bags scanned for explosives before they were loaded onto the plane."
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_3.pdf

Here is a document that describes the selectee status of the hijackers and they are trying again to imply Atta was not selected under CAPPS.....

CAPPS and the "Selectee" Status of 9/11 Hijackers

"Of the 19 hijackers, nine were made security selectees."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/9-11-selecteestatus.pdf

Notice this report claims 9 were selected and Atta was not one of them, yet the 9/11 commission report admits he was selected when he arrived at Portland, and they also say this....

"Ten out of the 19 hijackers (including 9 out of 10 on the two American Airlines flights) were identified via the CAPPS system."
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:hBRZsJQKy2oJ:www.insightful.com/infact/911/corpus/report_461_451.html+%22ten+out+of+the+19+hijackers%22+9/11+commission+report&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

The difference is Atta.

When he was selected in Portland this document names the names and the procedure that was done....compare this to the preposterous claims of the earlier MFR where in Logan the Agent called the baggage handlers not because of CAPPS but because Atta insisted on it to make sure his bags got loaded but weren't.  ::)


"The gate agent or the supervisor at that gate would let the ramp personnel know if it was OK to put the bag on the flight."

"He pulled tickets at the gate and he boarded the flight for Boston that had Atta and Alomari on it. He was the GSC for that flight."

"Do you remember if they were the last passengers to board the flight?"

"He doesn't have a recollection of them as the last boarders of the flight."

"Once all the passengers were boarded, Dillon called down to the ramp and said, "The list is clear". Any bags that were held by CAPPS (Atta's) would have been loaded on at that point."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01100.pdf

Compared to what they claim happened at Logan....

Mr. <<redacted>> stated that at 7:30 <<redacted>> crew chief for Flight 11 received a call from a passenger service representative, stating that a passenger had just boarded Flight 11, and the passenger service representative wanted to determine if the passenger's two suitcases had arrived from US Airways. <<redacted>> told the passenger service representative, also known as a gate agent, that the suitcases had arrived, but would not be put on Flight 11, because the baggage compartment had already been locked for departure. <<redacted>>noted that it was unusual for the passenger service representative to call the ramp crew, unless the affected passenger has asked about the baggage."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

 ::) ::) ::) ::)


Why didn't his bags get loaded at Logan? According to this document...."well, just because".....

"They heard' on 9-12 or late on 9-11 that Atta's bag didn't make it on the flight. Transferring bags from one airline to another is complicated. It just didn't make it."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01100.pdf














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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »
Excellent Post!

Will put this information to good use.
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2009, 07:53:33 PM »
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I think if you create a thread called 'Proof Atta never got on plane on 9/11' then it should contain proof that Atta never got on the plane on 9/11. All I can see is pretty flimsy speculation and doubtful inferences from that seem to suggest that you have no proof  but only that you really wish you had. I think a more objective look at the facts is called for.  
I don't think it is too difficult to believe that Islamic jihadists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings. It's actually a pretty simple straight forward plan - they had the motive and the opportunity and once they were on those planes there was not a lot anyone could do to stop them.  Your constant use of the term 'loser' for the hijackers suggests that you think only Americans can organise things - Arabs are just kind of hapless losers who have to wait for the CIA to tell them what to do.      

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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2009, 12:23:38 AM »
Jim3100
I think if you create a thread called 'Proof Atta never got on plane on 9/11' then it should contain proof that Atta never got on the plane on 9/11.

Can't argue with that.

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All I can see is pretty flimsy speculation and doubtful inferences from that seem to suggest that you have no proof  but only that you really wish you had. I think a more objective look at the facts is called for.
 

I'm all for that too. Objective look at the facts.

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I don't think it is too difficult to believe that Islamic jihadists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings.

I agree, sorta.

 
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It's actually a pretty simple straight forward plan - they had the motive and the opportunity and once they were on those planes there was not a lot anyone could do to stop them.

I agree hijackers were on the planes.


 
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Your constant use of the term 'loser' for the hijackers suggests that you think only Americans can organise things - Arabs are just kind of hapless losers who have to wait for the CIA to tell them what to do.
   

Nope. That's not what I think.
First of all I don't mind you going after Atta and the name of the thread, to tell the truth the reason I even named it that was to get challenged on it. I really wanted to see as much proof that Atta was on the plane as possible because of the strange occurrence of his luggage being kept off. That's needs to be explained. The explanation is IMO not a very good one. However I will concede that it most probably is true, if it is more believeable than him not getting on the plane. Being flagged by CAPS will keep your bags off the plane. He was flagged by CAPS. So why believe he boarded? Because they said so? Help me out here. The person that says so would have to know so, and that's the ticket agent who took his boarding pass. Tell me who they are? Or at least show me what they ever said in regards to them taking Attas boarding pass. It's impossible that they were never interviewed so there is proof somewhere. I would like to know for sure one way or the other. It still wouldn't change much IMO, but it would definitely help see how this was carried out clearer.

I'm guessing the best hope of finding any kind of good info on who this agent is and what they ever said would be found in the newly released 9/11 commission reports, some I used in this thread. They are still being uploaded and released so, if you want to help out, try and find this stuff. I'm willing to change my opinion of Atta being on the plane and was the purpose of me making this thread. I just would like to see some better evidence, that frankly should be available.  

What do you suggest the name of the thread be? I don't mind changing it as I only named it that as a challenge--being flagged by CAPS and the bags left off, seemed like proof if the testimony from people there seeing him get on the plane is absent.(it's not for the others). That's what I"m looking for.
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Re: 9/11 Hijackers-Psyop on the public-How it was done
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2010, 03:21:30 AM »
I think probably people need to step back a couple of spaces and find some more information regarding:

1.  Were the hijackers real people and not a bunch of mossad agents using stolen identities to set up a false trail.  By the way, the Mossad are very good at stealing peoples identies.  They may do this for a variety of reasons.

2.  Examine who actually gave the US authorities the 'identities' of the hijackers and did this with rather unusual speed (practically at the speed of light).  Kind of like they already knew  (a 'clue' would probably rest in point 1).

3.   Examine why the public thinks it is neccessary to have an actual human physical presence on board a plane to hijack it.  The technology to hijack by remote has been around since the 70's.

4.  What happened to Flight 77, which didn't crash at the Pentagon?  Could this be the only plane that WAS hijacked?  I gotta admit the idea of hijacking an already hijacked plane probably would have taken human presence as well as a knowledge of what was about to occur and a means of subverting it.

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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2010, 03:27:36 AM »
I forgot to add!  Research on who got on what plane and when as well as who provided the various footage - needs to look at who provided this information.  In other words, who controls aircraft bording security at the various airports.... Is it a private company?  Who owns it, and do they have 'links' to other countries?  I think you'd be suprised at which 'other' country has access to not only the nations airports, but its communications and politicians as well.

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2010, 06:12:35 AM »
every good post, the remote control thing has me a bit apprehensive, my very close freind is a pilot and know 911 was an inside job, but swears that there is no remote control on standard airplanes, and unless these planes where special fitted he has a hard time with the remote business.

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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2010, 07:10:35 AM »
Atta was too picture perfect -- the quote about the virgins -- either everything was real or he was definitely fake.  Personally, I tend to believe the latter.

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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2010, 08:07:01 AM »
every good post, the remote control thing has me a bit apprehensive, my very close freind is a pilot and know 911 was an inside job, but swears that there is no remote control on standard airplanes, and unless these planes where special fitted he has a hard time with the remote business.

How hard would it be to do?  Especially then?  And now, with all the new ...."security" busily looking at passengers in their underwear, using God knows what type xray machines and stupid psychological techniques that treats human beings like cattle.  Banning some items carried by passengers and doing strange and bizare 'false flag' operations using people who are obviously not in their normal frame of mind (knicker bomber anyone?).  Is this all a distraction?  Of course!  And some people are making a lot of money out of it, too.  All at our expense, naturally.

The remote control thing wasn't foolproof though.  Didn't work with Flight 93 and explains why it was flying eratically.   If you are going to control an aircraft, you have to kill the pilots.  I guess that didn't happen so it had to be shot down.