"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"

[trixi1]

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html

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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"

The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

    "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

    The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

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Like I've said many times, there are plenty of people out there that know the real truth about so many powerfully important events, 9/11 probably being one of the most pivotal in how it would change things around the entire globe. They have proof and they need to come forward with what they have so that we can have all of these criminals tried for war crimes and treason against the many countries that they live in for the people that they've betrayed.

Please reveal all that you know because the more people that come forward, it helps others to come forward as well. There is power in truth and the truth really will set us all free. This is not a naive statement--it is fact.

[icecap]

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

[Ghost of Oliver Cromwell]

A friend of mine at work was talking about this a while ago. He was saying that one of his friends, who is in the R.A.F, was given a briefing where they were told that flight 93 was shot down but they have to keep it secret. The thing is he can't see the big picture and can't see what really happened. I gave him a copy of martial law 911, but I don't think he watched it. He just thinks I'm some conspiracy nut.

[trixi1]

There will be some that will stay in denial by choice. Others because of fear, others are not ready to face the real truth - YET! But little by little, the seeds of truth are sewn and watered with more truth until eventually, they can't deny what is in front of them.

Finally, there are others that the blunt truth in front of them--they are literally holding the physical proof in their hot little hands, be it video, papers, pictures--they have them and they will disclose them when they feel safe.

Let's all pray for that time to happen ASAP!!

[Hetware]

There's a whole lot that remains unexplained regarding UAL 93.  I've got some material here on the subject.

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/history-channel-conspiracy-of-911.html

There's also a very interesting witness account from Manhattan which I gave careful examination, and have concluded that she may well have seen 93 get hit.  This is from my post to the DC911Truth group.

"As I was running north in this park, and then I could start seeing
again a little bit, and I just kept looking in the sky. Cause the
captain was saying there's another plane heading in our direction, I
was looking for another plane. I saw something in the sky, it was a
plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or
something, then it wasn't there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and
it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the
other came in the other way, and there was a
plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the
plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It
looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the
other two planes veered off into opposite directions."

This is weird.  She started out less than a quarter mile from North Park,
and may have started running before the building began to collapse.
She describes an explosion in the lobby of the building behind her.  I
think that would have to have been WTC 6 or WTC 7.   An Olympic runner
can beat a 4 minute mile, so a really scared EMT could probably manage
a ~60 second quarter mile.

According to NIST, WTC 2 collapse at 9:58:59 am.  Rick Gibney
supposedly shot down UAL 93 at "precisely 9:58 am".  Shanksville is
260 miles, give or take, from Manhattan.  Visibility was virtually
unlimited that day.  Nonetheless, it seems doubtful that a person
would have seen a plane from that distance.  I'm not sure about vapor
trails.

It seems far-fetched to think she could have seen UAL 93 get it, but
the timing is uncomfortably close.

Something else happened just before these two events.  "Air Force One
took off from Sarasota between 9:55 and 9:57 AM" (Synthetic Terror 3rd
Ed, p 279)

[strgzr]

The truth is that on flight 93 the passengers fought back. That's why it was shot down. That's why building #7 fell without a plane strike. The plane was shot down in Pennsylvania because the passengers were about to regain control of the airplane. After it was shot down building #7 hung in midair waiting for hours till it had to fall because there was too much incriminating evidence to let it stand. What a dilemma, bring down a 47 story building with no apparent cause, or let the building stand with preplaced demolition charges and showing the collapses of building #1 and #2 to be suspect. 

[bigron]

YES YES YES

THE TRUTH IS FINALLY TRICKLING OUT.......

[Indurain]

If that is the case, wouldn't that destroy the remote controlled plane theory. Meaning even if the passengers got control, they still wouldn't be able to fly the plane. I believe the guy that shot it down disobeyed a direct order to stand by after hearing about the other 2 attacks on the trade centre. I don't think the passengers had anything to do with it at all.

Have any of you seen this video? Watch it to the end. Is it true or disinfo (the comparison of land between 1994 and 2001)
 
THE FLIGHT 93 FRAUD- Smoking Gun Evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s
about 2mins through

[chris jones]

Killing Americans for profit is not a new concept, this had to be accomplished to complete the deception.
A peons life to them, be it American, or not, is nothing, a number. And they have the numbers rigged.

Were screwed, how does it feel realy, to know we were decieved, lied to,, bankrupted, freedoms removed, committed genocide, and treated as slaves, not human being. Please do not entertain the thought the power cares that you are an America. We are nothings to them WHY becasue we have never united. They made sure of it.

[TimeLady]

Eh, so what? Have to make a distraction for the peasants...

[chris jones]

hi Trixil.

Let's all pray for that time to happen ASAP!!
Liked your post. Yup I'm betting there are plenty more of more people to come forward.

ASAP is right.

[trixi1]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/rumsfeld.flt93/index.html

Pentagon: Rumsfeld misspoke on Flight 93 crash
Defense secretary's remark to troops fuels conspiracy theories

From Jamie McIntyre
CNN Washington

Monday, December 27, 2004 Posted: 9:54 PM EST (0254 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comment Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made during a Christmas Eve address to U.S. troops in Baghdad has sparked new conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers.

But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down.

"Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy" asked a posting on the Web site WorldNetDaily.com.

Some people remain skeptical of U.S. government statements that, despite a presidential authorization, no planes were shot down September 11, and rumors still circulate that a U.S. military plane shot the airliner down over Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

A Pentagon spokesman insists Rumsfeld has not changed his opinion that the plane crashed as the result of an onboard struggle between passengers and terrorists.

The independent panel charged with investigating the terrorist attacks concluded that the hijackers intentionally crashed Flight 93, apparently because they feared the passengers would overwhelm them.

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Hmmmm, miss-speaking seems to be a common occurence amongst officials, is it not? I think they've probably done a bit of ingesting some of that there fluoride and aspartame that they try to pawn on us.

[Parentsfortruth]

By the time stuff starts getting admitted to, it will be too late...

War is going to happen in Iran... and GW is going to call police state.

Some horrendous biological or chemical attack will happen here...

Just prepare. Get ready... and pray. That's all we can really do at this point.

[Hetware]

By the time stuff starts getting admitted to, it will be too late...

War is going to happen in Iran... and GW is going to call police state.

Some horrendous biological or chemical attack will happen here...

Just prepare. Get ready... and pray. That's all we can really do at this point.

The job of the sheep in a police state ruled by terrorism is to be terrorized.  Good job.

[Parentsfortruth]

I didn't say I wouldn't fight them. I said be ready for whatever happens.

They've drugged most of the population into not caring. Our numbers are climbing, but compared to how many are out there that will be as you described, is far larger than our numbers to fight this thing.

I've accepted that I'll probably be killed defending my children from them.

[Hetware]

What have you done to spread the Truth today?

[yanaar]

Good find, Trixie.  Excellent.  Remember the post by the enlisted guy on the East Coast?  Trying to tell us that the action had been stepped up in his platoon.  That thread was deleted.  How many defectors are out there looking for us? 

I pray endlessly that somehow the Truth will be teased out of this mess of conflicting information. 

[yanaar]

The truth is that on flight 93 the passengers fought back. That's why it was shot down. That's why building #7 fell without a plane strike. The plane was shot down in Pennsylvania because the passengers were about to regain control of the airplane. After it was shot down building #7 hung in midair waiting for hours till it had to fall because there was too much incriminating evidence to let it stand. What a dilemma, bring down a 47 story building with no apparent cause, or let the building stand with preplaced demolition charges and showing the collapses of building #1 and #2 to be suspect. 

That was in a movie (93 being overcome by the alleged passengers.)

[Sue M-B]

If the passengers of flight 93 were heros, then does that make the passengers on the other 3 flights cowards?

[trixi1]

http://www.rense.com/general69/smallsteps.htm

Small Steps

By Judy Andreas
2-2-6

The years teach what the days never know~
Ralph Waldo Emerson
 

Sometimes I grow discouraged. Sometimes I feel as if I am not doing enough. Sometimes I feel a helplessness, a hopelessness, a sense that nothing can be done.
 
Perhaps I am too busy looking at the big picture to acknowledge what lies right before my eyes.
 
Last week, I received an invitation to speak on a local radio show. It was scheduled to be a fifteen minute spot in which I would talk about my book, Judyisms. Having been a listener and frequent caller to the station, I was well acquainted with the conventional viewpoint held by most of the audience. Could I find the right formula to communicate my message, while, at the same time, being true to myself? Could I honor the parameters of the station without compromising my integrity? It was worth a try. And so, I accepted the invitation.
 
The interview began smoothly. The hosts, Steve and Sophia, introduced me and talked a bit about my background. We discussed my book and I was asked to read one of the essays. So far all was going swimmingly.
 
"What inspired you to begin writing?" Sophia asked. I responded by talking about the 911 conference I had attended on September 11, 2004, Confronting the Evidence. I mentioned the unanswered questions around the most traumatic day in American history.
 
Oh Oh. The three dreaded numbers had gone out over the airwaves, ...... NINE.... ONE...... ONE. There was no turning back, for in my brief explanation I had introduced a possibility that many of the listeners did not want to consider. I had mentioned the unmentionable. Had 911 had been an "inside job"? The question was blazing throughout the ether. The dart of doubt had been thrown at the board of belief systems and the studio was filled with the sound of phones ringing off their proverbial hooks.
 
"You believe that our government had something to do with 911?"
 
"You believe that our government would kill its own citizens?"
 
People were questioning more than my premise. People were questioning my sanity.
 
Most of the listeners had never heard of Operation Northwoods, so I seized the opportunity to make the introduction. I talked about the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Operation Northwoods had called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer [Joint chief's chair] and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war against Cuba. www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html .
 
The phones kept ringing. I was being challenged from every direction.
 
"How do you feel about abortion?"
 
"Do you believe that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor before the event?"
 
"If you don't like this country, why don't you leave it?" someone dusted off that tired old comment. I responded with courtesy.
 
My mind drifted back to 2001 and a dinner party I'd attended; a party at which the events of September 11th.had been discussed. A woman named Evelyn offered the sobering comment, "If I thought that the government had something to do with 911, I couldn't get up in the morning,"
 
How many people in the listening audience shared Evelyn's sentiment? Were my words violating a place that some regarded as sacrosanct? I needed to be sensitive to others' realities.
 
The phone lines were jammed. And yet, in the midst of the frenzy, there were callers praising my words and courage. It was not only the praise that warmed my heart, it was the realization that certain truths were going out over the airwaves. It was the realization that there were many others who doubted the official version of 911 but had not been given a voice to state their concerns. What had been scheduled as a 15 minute interview became a two hour segment and I left the studio feeling encouraged. People were questioning. People were waking up. They only needed to be presented with the facts. They needed to hear the truth.
 
This is the time for activism. This is the time for all of us to speak out We must take back our country from the criminals. They are the few. We are the many. This is no longer about right and left, this is about right and wrong. .
 
We must continue to get the message out. We must not become discouraged. And we mustn't assume that those who haven't yet joined the movement, are uneducable. That is elitist, and unfair. Perhaps the progress is not as swift as we would like. Perhaps the progress will come one person at a time. And yet, one person telling one more person has the potential to ripple out across the earth. One person telling one more person can change our world.
 
The two most powerful warriors are patience and time.
--Leo Tolstoy
 
Copyright: 2006 Judy Andreas
www.judyandreas.com
JUDE10901@AOL.com

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For anyone doubting what needs to be done, this lady nailed it again. All it takes is one person speaking to the next person and so on. Change is occuring. Please present whatever proof you have on this pertinent event because it will have the permanent effect of removal of this corruptive administration and all other war criminals that have been a part of this 'play' and get them tried and jailed for life.

[yanaar]

If the passengers of flight 93 were heros, then does that make the passengers on the other 3 flights cowards?

They were heros in a movie.  It was a movie.  Fake.  Dis-info.

[sid]

Anonymous stories turn out to be false far more often than true.

Any AF vets here to analyze this story? 

If it were Army, I'd say bunk as a mechanic wouldn't be assigned to duties hauling live missiles around, or even allowed to go into secure areas he wasn't actively servicing as a mechanic.

Maybe the AF is different, I wasn't in it and don't know, but I'll wait for someone who was to comment.

In any event, anonymous stories are always too convenient and easily used for deceptive purposes since they can never be confirmed with any actual verifiable details, and likewise usually can't be fully debunked, letting people believe whatever they want to about them according to their personal slant.

[mockingbird]

Sid, if the plane wasnt shot down, then where are the people from flight 93?  I sure have never seen the crashsite.

The plane being shot down explains the debris being spread over such a wide circumference.

[DJ BALL]

Considering debris was scattered for 5 miles only imbeciles are capable of believing the hollywood/government version.
I never thought i'd wish for a military coup.
There's gotta be thousands of soldiers that are ready to defend the constitution from these vampires.
It's obvious that we've been a victim of a coup by the Bush neo-cons with the help of some traitors in the military.
Whoever steps forward first and testifies avoids the death penalty.
Either way eternal hell awaits all these bastards.

[sid]

Sid, if the plane wasnt shot down, then where are the people from flight 93?  I sure have never seen the crashsite.

The plane being shot down explains the debris being spread over such a wide circumference.

Valid point, but this story may or may not be evidence of it. 

My point is that we need to demand real verifiable evidence for proof, not stories that could easily be fictional and end up making us look like nut cases believing urban legends in the eyes of the general public, thereby marginalizing the issue.

[pac522]

Considering debris was scattered for 5 miles only imbeciles are capable of believing the hollywood/government version.
I never thought i'd wish for a military coup.
There's gotta be thousands of soldiers that are ready to defend the constitution from these vampires.
It's obvious that we've been a victim of a coup by the Bush neo-cons with the help of some traitors in the military.
Whoever steps forward first and testifies avoids the death penalty.
Either way eternal hell awaits all these bastards.

It's been very easy for them. They all have financial ties to the military industrial complex. We've been sold and resold so many times. The only thing keeping me going is the thought of Nostradamus and the fact that he was able to see many years of lasting peace after the turmoil in the middle east. Let's just hope the people that interpreted his writings were correct.

[yanaar]

Try this article.  Very interesting... a treatise on what happened at Cleveland Hopkins Airport involving 93.

http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/Cleveland_Airport_Mystery.html

[trixi1]

I thought I'd post this for you yanaar because the link tried to re-direct me to some ad.

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http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/Cleveland_Airport_Mystery.html

batcave 9-11
911review

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The Cleveland Airport Mystery
 



Update (06/21): WoodyBox found new witnesses, which point on two different "quarantined" planes at Cleveland Hopkins (see "comments")

WoodyBox ("Flight 11 - The Twin Flight") new article is yet another groundbreaking analysis.
It appears, that the majority of 9/11 Researchers and the 9/11 family members, who lost their loved ones, have to compile a new list of questions about an airport, which didn't receive much attention yet: Cleveland Hopkins, Ohio.
Among the disturbing new details are two flights, which apparently had been part of yet another "mirror flight" scenario. "Both" got grounded in Ohio.
One of them was Delta1989, the other one was identified as, most shocking: "Flight 93"!
But there are also many new questions about some "200 passengers" of that day...

The Cleveland Airport Mystery

200 passengers got lost on 9/11 - by mailto:woody_box2000@yahoo.de Woody Box

Exclusive for INN Report -May 30

Inmidst the chaos breaking out in the hours after the WTC and Pentagon attacks, between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m an airplane made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins Airport . Rumours were going around that it was hijacked or had a bomb on board. The FBI evacuated the plane and searched it with bomb-sniffing dogs after the passengers had left. It turned out to be false alarm. The plane - Delta flight1989 - was not hijacked, and there was no bomb.

However, a closer examination reveals a bunch of conflicting statements concerning Delta 1989. Neither the moment of landing, nor the number of the passengers, nor the location of the grounded plane is clear. For every aspect of the incident there are two different versions. Not one or three or four versions, but two.

This article will prove that not one, but two planes made an emergency landing in Cleveland - in close succession. The proof is based on local newspaper and radio reports from September 11th and 12th (mainly from the Akron Beacon Journal and the Cleveland Plain Dealer), statements of eyewitnesses and internet postings in the morning of 9/11 (people were listening to the radio and immediately submitted the breaking news to the net). One of the flights was indeed Delta 1989. We don't know the identity of the other one, so we call it "Flight X"...

We start with a short summary of the events in Cleveland. At 10 a.m., the airport was evacuated. Without doubt, this had to do with the rumours that a hijacked plane was going to land. The passengers had to leave the airport but were not allowed to take their car. They had to walk or got a ride at the highway. Busses were not allowed to leave the airport. People around the airport were told to go home. It was a very tense situation. These facts are undisputed.

Cleveland Mayor Michael White held a televised news conference at 11 a.m., after the emergency landing. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, he said there was an unconfirmed report that the plane might have been hijacked or was carrying a bomb. But in the middle of the news conference, he reported that it had not been hijacked, and later in the day he said no bomb had been found. This was not the only detail that changed in the course of the day. In the morning, White said that air controllers could hear screaming on the plane. In the afternoon, he didn't mention the screams anymore.


We will now examine several parameters of the emergency landing:

1) The moment of landing

2) The begin of the evacuation of the passengers

3) The number of passengers

4) The place the passengers were interviewed after the evacuation

5) The exact location of the grounded plane

We will see that there are two different data for every parameter, suggesting that we are dealing with two different planes. We will omit the "a.m." because it's clear that everything is happening in the morning.

1) The moment of landing

AP and two Ohio newspapers report a landing at 10:45 (1A). However, Delta Airlines has registered 10:10 as the landing time and Cleveland firefighters can confirm that the landing took place before 10:30 (1B). Because Delta Airlines did not loose the track of its plane, the 10:10 plane was surely Delta 1989. So the 10:45 plane is - by definition - Flight X.

2) The begin of the evacuation of the passengers

The Akron Beacon Journal writes in an extra edition from 9/11 that the passengers were released from the plane at 11:15. This is confirmed by internet postings describing the events in real-time (2A). However, a passenger from Delta 1989 relates that she had to stay more than two hours in the plane before the FBI started to search it and took the passengers away for questioning. The Plain Dealer has learned about a evacuation time of 12:30, confirming the witness' statement. (2B).

Thanks to the most valuable statement of the passenger, we can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10 and was evacuated at 12:30. Flight X landed at 10:45 and was evacuated at 11:15.

3) The number of passengers

The first press reports tell us that the plane carried 200 passengers. Mayor White mentioned this number on his 11 o'clock conference (3A). He did not say how he got the number. The passenger of Delta 1989 however, she must know it, made an estimation of "sixty or so" passengers. This is confirmed by later reports - the story changed quickly. Now, 69 passengers have been released from the plane, going well with the "sixty or so" (3B).

We can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10, the 69 passengers being evacuated at 12:30. Flight X landed at 10:45, the 200 passengers being released at 11:15.

4) The place the passengers were interviewed after the evacuation

The most reports say that the passengers were brought into a nearby NASA facility (4A). This is the NASA Glenn Research Center, located near the west end of the airport. It was already evacuated. The passenger of delta 1989 however tells us that she was taken into a "secure building at the airport". This is confirmed by a report that the Delta 1989 passengers were interviewed in the FAA headquarter (4B). Surely the FAA headquarter is not located in the NASA facility.

We can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10, and at 12:30 the 69 passengers were taken into the FAA headquarter. Flight X landed at 10:45, and at 11:15 the 200 passengers were taken into the evacuated NASA Center.



Cleveland Hopkins Airport - note that the blue runways were in planning yet on 9/11. The big black rectangle in the South is the I-X Center



5) The exact location of the plane

This is the final proof that we have to do with two different planes. Both planes were sitting on a runway, but miles away from each other. One plane was at the west end of runway 28/10 near the NASA center (point 10 in the map). This is confirmed by Associated Press and an eyewitness (5A). The other plane was sitting at the south end of runway 18/36 near the I-X-Center (point 36), also confirmed by two eyewitnesses (5B). The geographic conditions on the airport suggest that the passengers at the West end were taken to the NASA Center and the passengers at the South end to the FAA headquarter.
We summarise our findings:


..........................................................Delta 1989...................Flight X

Moment of landing................................10:10...........................10:45

Begin of evacuation...............................12:30...........................11:15

Number of passengers............................69................................200

Passengers brought to............. ..........FAA/Airport...................NASA


Exact location.................................Runway 18/36 ............Runway 28/10

.....................................................near I-X Center..........near NASA Center





The 69 passengers of Delta 1989 are (hopefully) alive and well. Questions remain:



Where did Flight X come from, who were the 200 passengers, and what happened to them?



Sources



(1A) Landing at 10:45


The airplane landed at about 10:45 a.m., but the airport released no information about the plane's intended destination. Associated Press 9/11/01

The flight to Los Angeles landed at Hopkins at 10:45 a.m., and was directed to a secure area of the airport. Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01

Delta Flight 1989 made an emergency landing at Hopkins about 10:45 a.m., nearly two hours after the World Trade Center towers were hit by two hijacked planes. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

(1B) Landing at 10:10

10:30 a.m. Flight quarantined. On a remote taxiway at Hopkins International Airport in Cleveland, Delta Flight 1989 is quarantined. Since early reports that a bomb, then hijackers, might be aboard, Delta CEO Leo Mullin, 58, had nervously tracked the flight from the company's headquarters in Atlanta. Every five minutes, a new report came in. None seemed clear. Still, the flight landed uneventfully in Cleveland at 10:10 a.m. USA Today, 8/12/02




After treatment and transport to the hospital, reports over our radio confirmed the south tower had collapsed. ... My chief put out an order to return to quarters. He received reports there was a plane sequestered on the runway of Cleveland Hopkins Airport, because of a possible hijacking or a bomb on board. Responding back to our firehouse my heart started pounding faster as we became closer to our station, which is only a few hundred yards from the south side of the airport. The second tower now had collapsed. There it was a huge plane standing eerily still. Police, EMS and fire are positioned in the distance. Scott Boulton, Cleveland firefighter. The reports of the suspicious plane on the runway obviously came in BEFORE the WTC North Tower collapsed (10:28). A 10:10 landing time fits very well into Boulton's chronology (set between the first and second WTC collapse), while a 10:45 landing time contradicts it.

(2A) Evacuation at 11:15

The 200 passengers were reportedly released from the plane at 11:15 a.m., though White said the pilot was still concerned that a bomb remained. Akron Beacon Journal 9/11/01

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White. White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. WCPO-TV, Cincinnati, 9/11/01, 11:43:57. So at 11.43, the evacuation was already finished.

"We have lost track of a number of planes," quote from FAA. From Scott P at PTE - Just heard an unconfirmed report that a plane on the ground at Cleveland-Hopkins Airport has a bomb on board with approximately 200 people on board. PT Cruiser Club Forum Posted by Cruisin in Calgary at Sept?11,?2001,?8:14?AM PST (=11:14 EST)


The plane at Hopkins has been deplaned and they are going to search it for a bomb now. PT Cruiser CLub Forum Posted by Terry J at Sep?11,?2001,?8:41?AM PST (=11:41 EST) . So there were no passengers on the plane anymore at 11:41.

(2B) Evacuation at 12:30

After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Delta 1989 passenger's story

About 12:30 p.m. baggage cars and shuttle buses approached the plane. The 69 passengers and nine crew members then walked down a portable staircase and onto the buses, which took them to FAA headquarters nearby. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

(3A) 200 passengers

The 200 passengers were reportedly released from the plane at 11:15 a.m., though White said the pilot was still concerned that a bomb remained. Akron Beacon Journal 9/11/01

The plane was sitting on a runway at the airport's west end with approximately 200 passengers on board. Associated Press, 9/11/01

About 200 passengers were aboard the plane. It will be checked for a bomb. News Channel 5, Cleveland-Akron,9/11/01

A few hours after Mayor White's first news conference, FBI Special Agent Mark Bullock confirmed that the Delta jet with 200 people aboard had landed safely and had not been in danger. WCPN radio, 9/12/01

The mayor of Cleveland has announced that an airplane containing 200 passengers has been sequestered at the Cleveland Hopkins Airport. They believe there may be a bomb on the plane. Metafilter.com forum posted by turaho at 8:37 a.m. PST (=11:37 EST)

(3B) 69 passengers

The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes. Delta 1989 passenger's story
The 69 passengers and nine crew members then walked down a portable staircase and ontothe buses, which took them to FAA headquarters nearby. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01

The plane was evacuated of its 78 passengers shortly before 1 p.m. Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01( 78 = 69 passengers + 9 crew members)

(4A) Interview in NASA Center

They (the passengers) were taken to NASA Glenn Research Center to be interviewed by FBI agents. The center had been evacuated about an hour before.) Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01

The Boeing 767 was evacuated and searched, said Della Homenik, spokeswoman for Mayor Michael R. White. Passengers were taken to a nearby NASA facility. The Post, Athens, Ohio, 9/11/01

I thought the target could also have be NASA's Glen/Lewis Research Center that is right next to the Cleveland Airport.The news reported that the plane landed because of a suspected bomb on board but they haven't released anyone that was on that plane. The closed NASA and transported everyone that was on the plane there for questioning. E-Mail Repository, posted by "Connie", time unknown.

(4B) Interview in FAA/Airport building

While our personal effects were examined we were taken to a secure building at the airport where for three hours we were interrogated at length. Delta 1989 passenger's story

The 69 passengers and nine crew members then walked down a portable staircase and onto the buses, which took them to FAA headquarters nearby. Cleveland Plain Dealer 9/12/01



(5A) Plane at West end near NASA Center

The plane was sitting on a runway at the airport's west end with approximately 200 passengers on board. Associated Press, 9/11/01

At the same time that we passed the Cleveland airport, the radio was reporting that a plane had been quarantined at the airport and forced to stay away from the terminal. There was some concern that a bomb might be aboard. As we went by, we say the plane with a number of vehicles surrounding it. Lights were flashing. We wondered if there were hijackers aboard that very plane. Rudy K, personal report. Rudy K was on the way home from Toledo to Rochester, N.Y., taking Interstate 480. This highway runs parallel to runway 28/10, a few hundred yards more to the North. The I-X-Center is three miles away - too far away for Rudy K's eyes to recognize vehicles. He was watching a plane near the northern boundary of the airport. His report confirms the existence of a plane near the NASA Center. Thanks to his precise description, we can also conclude that he passed the airport at about 11 o'clock as he began his ride at 9:30 in Toledo and arrived at 4 p.m. in Rochester (with a little stop). Flight X was already there at 11 o'clock.



(5B) Plane at South end near I-X Center

Kurt Voelkel, 18, of Parma watched as the Delta sat on a remote area of the Hopkins tarmac near the I-X Center. Akron Beacon Journal 9/12/01


He received reports there was a plane sequestered on the runway of Cleveland Hopkins Airport, because of a possible hijacking or a bomb on board. Responding back to our firehouse my heart started pounding faster as we became closer to our station, which is only a few hundred yards from the south side of the airport. The second tower now had collapsed. There it was a huge plane standing eerily still. Police, EMS and fire are positioned in the distance. Scott Boulton, Cleveland firefighter. Boulton works with the fire department of Brookmark, a small city south-east of Hopkins Airport. His station is on Holland Street, just opposite the end of runway 18/36 ("only a few hundred yards from the southside of the airport"). So he is talking of the plane near the I-X Center, too.



Footnotes



The 10 factual data presented in the text are each supported by at least two independent sources. Everybody who denies the occurring of two emergency landings should be able to provide us with clear answers to these five questions: When did the plane land, when was it evacuated, how many passengers dit it carry, where were they interviewed, where was the plan sitting at the airport. For every answer, he should also be able to disprove the contradicting two (or more) sources. I think this is very hard work. Good luck.


There are many rumours and uncorroborated messages around the events in Cleveland. I want to present them here, but I endorse careful handling as they are not independently verified.

Flight X = United Airlines Flight?



White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.WCPO-TV, Cincinnati, 9/11/01, 11:43:57 (Mirror)

This message, submitted at 11:43 in the morning, is nowhere else to find. It's the only hint that Flight X might be United Airlines 93, but you have to wonder about the differing passenger numbers (UA 93: 33 passengers; Flight X: 200 passengers). Very obscure the last sentence: If United Airlines told the reporters the number of the passengers, why don't they submit this news to the public? Did the airline tell them the number but on the condition not to publish it?

[11:01] (temas) there was an emergency landing safely completed in Cleveland

[11:02] (temas) potential bomb on the plane

[11:02] (temas) and it might be the missing UA flight

This jabber obviously followed the radio or TV news. He refers to what he's hearing, so it's not his own, but the radio's guessing that the plane in Cleveland might be the "missing UA flight". Very likely temas is talking about Flight X because Delta 1989's identity never was in question. Note that the time of the posting 11:01 points to a landing of 10:45, too.

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The Toledo Plane



White reported that another plane was diverted from Hopkins toward Toledo. Akron Beacon Journal 9/11/01

He said airport officials reported that a second airplane in distress had passed through Cleveland airspace earlier Tuesday morning before being handed off to Toledo. Officials at Toledo Express Airport did not immediately have any information about a plane headed from Cleveland. Associated Press, 9/11/01

So we have another obscure plane in an emergency situation, and in the light of the new evidence, we might ask if the Toledo Plane is identical to Flight X. It seems that Mayor White was not the best informed person in Cleveland since he changed his statements a couple of times during the day.


Virginia Buckingham's statement





A disturbing first-hand statement comes from Virginia Buckingham. She was not only security chief of Boston Airport on 9/11, but also CEO of MA Port Authority.

By 9:30, the FAA had grounded all flights out of Boston and New York. By 9:40, all US flight operations were halted. As we tried to account for all Boston-originating flights already in the air, we received word that a Delta flight out of Logan, bound for the West Coast, had lost radio contact with air traffic control.

When exactly did Delta 1989 loose radio contact? At 9:36, Cleveland Center warned the plane to stay away from UA 93, and this USA Today report confirms that the pilot asked the controllers to land in Cleveland shortly before 9:45 when the FAA released an order to ground all planes. So until about 9:40-9:45 Delta 1989 was in contact with Air Traffic Control.

Victoria Buckingham: I felt sick to my stomach. It would be more than an hour before we received word that the flight had landed safely in Cleveland.



So it took more than an hour after the lost radio contact that Mrs. Buckingham learned of the safe landing of the flight. This must have happened at about 10:45-11:00 and perfectly fits the landing time of Flight X. Did she refer to Flight X? Delta 1989 landed at 10:10 in Cleveland, and it is unbelievable that the pilot allowed the passengers to make phone calls but didn't inform his airline about the safe landing. If Mrs. Buckingham was talking about Delta 1989, why did she had to wait more than half an hour to get the reassuring message that the plane and the passengers were okay?

Col. Alan Scott's statement



Col. Scott testified to the 9-11 commission on 5/23/03:

MR. SCOTT: 9:27, Boston FAA reports a fifth aircraft missing, Delta Flight 89 -- and many people have never heard of Delta Flight 89. We call that the first red herring of the day, because there were a number of reported possible hijackings that unfolded over the hours immediately following the actual attacks. Delta 89 was not hijacked, enters the system, increases the fog and friction if you will, as we begin to look for that. But he lands about seven of eight minutes later and clears out of the system.
At 9:49, FAA reports that Delta 89, which had been reported as missing, is now reported as a possible hijacking. So again he is --

MR.: That's 9:41, sir.



MR. SCOTT: I'm sorry, 9:41. Again, he is in the system. He is kind of a red herring for us.

Plane Swap Over Pennsylvania Flight 93 Woodybox

World Premiere -WoodyBox: How to steal an airliner and fake a hijacking
Air Traffic Control Center Ronkonkoma- Red Herring or Cover-up?
The lost "terror drills ? Pt.11a This final chapter includes the real reason of "wargames"
as a planted distraction to "anti terror drills", two government "agents" on Delta1989 and Colgan5930?,
Amalgam Virgo "1.5", Rosetta Stone, the significance of 1951, Tinker AFB, White Sands, STARS,

The lost "terror drill"? Pt.11b

9/11 was a combination of older terror drills, NOT wargames! Major parts had been also tested during Amalgam Virgo 01 (June 2001) and during three until recently lesser-known drills in Westmoreland County, Buffalo and Dayton. These three drills had odd similarities with the fate of Flight 77, Flight 11, Flight 175 and Flight 93.

Michael Kane: "9/11 War Games – No Coincidence"


September 11 video and photo analysis
9/11 batcave Homepage
9-11 review Wiki

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[yanaar]

Thanks Trixie.  It gave me an ad too the first time, 2nd time I got the article.  I'm at work right now... running back and forth... So thank-you.  Appreciate you..

[QueMan]

Let me get this out first before I debunk this 'anonymous' writer. I do strongly believe our government was involved in the disaster on September 11, 2001 as they were in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

With this said I am a 30 year retired USAF 'loader' and there is so much wrong with what this person stated.

1. Langley AFB has F-15's not F-16's

2. Only 'ammo' troops would deliver missiles or armament from the bomb dump.

3. The 'loader' would not be riding with any missile or armament delivery since they would be prepping the aircraft for loading.

4. Alert aircraft no matter what configuration they have are always primed to scramble within minutes of notification.

These are the major discrepancies that I see and to me blow holes in this 'anonymous' writer.

To me this sounds like someone trying to set this blogger or trixi1 up for something, though it was good that she posted this here but unfortunately Prison Planet already posted this to their site so the damage may already be done.

QueMan

MSgt, USAFR Retired 1973-2003

[trixi1]

Let me get this out first before I debunk this 'anonymous' writer. I do strongly believe our government was involved in the disaster on September 11, 2001 as they were in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

With this said I am a 30 year retired USAF 'loader' and there is so much wrong with what this person stated.

1. Langley AFB has F-15's not F-16's

2. Only 'ammo' troops would deliver missiles or armament from the bomb dump.

3. The 'loader' would not be riding with any missile or armament delivery since they would be prepping the aircraft for loading.

4. Alert aircraft no matter what configuration they have are always primed to scramble within minutes of notification.

These are the major discrepancies that I see and to me blow holes in this 'anonymous' writer.

To me this sounds like someone trying to set this blogger or trixi1 up for something, though it was good that she posted this here but unfortunately Prison Planet already posted this to their site so the damage may already be done.

QueMan

MSgt, USAFR Retired 1973-2003

This is not meant to be disrespectful to you however, I wonder when you retired if you are completely 'in the know' or not, and secondly, can you completely prove this to be false?

I posted this for the point that when I saw the relevance to the one saying that they are an Airforce Vet and that they were there, that they only have their word but know there are people out there that have proof, I find that very pertinent. So sir, I ask again, do you have irrefutable evidence that this person is a liar or could you be misinformed?

[jimd3100]

In any event, anonymous stories are always too convenient and easily used for deceptive purposes since they can never be confirmed with any actual verifiable details, and likewise usually can't be fully debunked, letting people believe whatever they want to about them according to their personal slant.

I appreciate the skeptism. However this story was posted earlier on the 9/11 research forum and after digging some on my own, I find this could be true. We've found some interesting things concerning this possibility. The thread is here, if interested.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=35242.0

[trixi1]

Another thing I've been thinking about is this wasn't meant to discredit me as this person didn't even know me or that I would post it. Another thing is this person posted anonymously, but wanted to get the word out. Just because PP posted it on their site afterwards, doesn't effect the comment one iota. In fact, it'll probably reach more of the relevant people that don't normally go into the forum. The people that this person knows will see it and hopefully, they'll get the courage to reveal the proof they have.

That is one of the purposes being put forth here. The other is to let everyone else who reads this know that there really are people out there who have this proof, that there really are honorable "but scared" people out there, but if they felt safe, they would come 'out of the closet' so to speak.

Everyone seems to be in the gutter of gloom because 'this person' or 'that person' won't wake up. They try to convince them and still all of these people want to 'stay in the dark'. Well, the time is here for light to shine on all of the nooks and crannies of the lies and official stories that they want us to believe and that we know are full of 'holes'--a term that you used.

You can't knock that message sir and I hope that you can see the bigger picture here for truth.

Thank you for listening to my 2¢. 

[jimd3100]

1. Langley AFB has F-15's not F-16's

The "happy hooligans" 119th were a detachment at Langley and flew F-16s.
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:xPTecwz4kZQJ:www.afa.org/magazine/Oct2004/1004sept.asp+langley+f-16&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

[trixi1]

The "happy hooligans were a detachment at Langley and flew F-16s.
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:xPTecwz4kZQJ:www.afa.org/magazine/Oct2004/1004sept.asp+langley+f-16&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

Thought I'd post this one jimd3100 before it goes into the 'censorship' memory hole.

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October 2004, Vol. 87, No. 10      print-friendly pdf

The 9/11 Commission Report clears up some misperceptions about that awful day.
Sept. 11, Minute by Minute
By Adam J. Hebert, Senior Editor


The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, popularly known as “The 9/11 Commission,” was created to conduct an independent, nonpartisan investigation into the deadliest-ever foreign attack on US soil. Panel members had wide access to key participants, documents, and classified information. Their final report was released in July.

Confusion surrounding the events of Sept. 11, 2001, resulted in major misperceptions and inaccuracies in the public record. What follows is the commission’s accounting of how Osama bin Laden’s killers did their work and how US air defenses responded.

On Sept. 11, 2001, US government personnel first learned that something was wrong at about 8:25 a.m. A terrorist aboard hijacked American Airlines Flight 11 (soon to slam into the North Tower of the World Trade Center) inadvertently broadcast news of the aircraft seizure over an air traffic control frequency, heard by personnel in the Northeast.


At 8:46 a.m., two air defense fighters were ordered to get airborne. Only seconds later, at 8:47 a.m., American Flight 11 crashed into the World Trade Center North Tower. Here, a Vermont ANG F-16 soars above Ground Zero in New York City. (USAF photo by Lt. Col. Terry Moultrup)

Within the hour, the US would learn that 19 hijackers flying on four airliners that morning had, in the words of the commission’s report, “defeated all of the security layers that America’s civil aviation security system then had in place to prevent a hijacking.”

The attackers then exploited gaps in the emergency response procedures of the Federal Aviation Administration and North American Aerospace Defense Command.

The FAA and NORAD did not have effective means of communicating with each other, did not expect that hijackers would turn off the aircraft transponders in an “attempt to disappear” in the skies, and did not anticipate the possibility that airliners would be turned into piloted missiles aimed at US targets. The report observed that, on 9/11, existing defense protocols were “unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen.”

Withered Defense

Created to help shield North America’s airspace from fast-approaching Soviet bombers, NORAD defined its job as “defending against external threats.” Following the demise of the Soviet Union, the Pentagon dramatically scaled back the number of NORAD alert sites with fighters ready for takeoff. In fact, said the report, “Some within the Pentagon argued in the 1990s that the alert sites should be eliminated entirely.”

On Sept. 11, just seven alert sites were operational—none in the immediate New York or Washington, D.C., areas.

The withering away of the US air defense network led some to worry—long before the attacks—that NORAD could not protect the United States, Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the commission. Myers served as NORAD commander from August 1998 to February 2000.

NORAD officers themselves first learned of a problem at 8:38 a.m., when the FAA’s Boston Center called NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS), located in Rome, N.Y.

According to the final report, “This was the first notification received by the military—at any level—that American 11 had been hijacked.” The FAA center also tried to contact a former alert site in Atlantic City, N.J., “unaware it had been phased out.”

Officials at NEADS sprang into action, ordering two Air National Guard F-15 fighters at Otis AFB, Mass., to battle stations. “The air defense of America began with this call,” said the report.


At 9:13 a.m., two Massachusetts ANG F-15s (such as this Eagle) left a holding pattern off Long Island and flew 115 miles to Manhattan at 575 mph. They arrived in 12 minutes and established a combat air patrol. (USAF photo by Lt. Col. William Ramsay)

Col. Robert Marr, the NEADS battle commander, called Maj. Gen. Larry K. Arnold, head of NORAD’s continental air defense region, seeking instruction. Arnold told Marr to scramble the F-15s and “get authorities later.” At 8:46 a.m., the F-15 pilots were ordered to get airborne.

Only seconds later, at 8:47 a.m., American Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower. Unfortunately, “that nine-minutes’ notice” between first warning and impact “was the most the military would receive of any of the four hijackings,” the commission said.

At 8:52 a.m., a flight attendant aboard United Airlines Flight 175 called United’s offices. He reported that the flight had been hijacked, “both pilots had been killed, a flight attendant had been stabbed, and the hijackers were probably flying the plane.”

At 8:53 a.m., the F-15s from Otis got airborne. However, no one knew where to send them, and they were put into a holding pattern off Long Island.

By 9:00 a.m., the FAA and the airlines faced “the staggering realization” that the nation was in the grip of multiple aircraft hijackings. At the time, the military had no such realization, according to the report.

United Flight 175 struck the WTC South Tower at 9:03 a.m. At almost exactly the same moment, NORAD officials were notified that the flight had been hijacked.

The terrorists struck a third time, against American Airlines Flight 77. The FAA learned of this event at 9:05. However, “NORAD had no indication that any other plane had been hijacked,” the panel reported.

Langley’s Fighters

Concerned about the developing situation and unsure how much gas the Otis F-15s had left, NEADS called the alert site at Langley AFB, Va., for backup. “Langley fighters were placed on battle stations at 9:09,” said the report, but they were not immediately ordered to launch.

At 9:13 a.m., the Otis fighters left their holding pattern and flew 115 miles to Manhattan at 575 mph. They arrived in 12 minutes and established a combat air patrol (CAP) over the city.

At 9:21 a.m., NEADS got another call from FAA’s Boston Center and received new information “about a plane that no longer existed: American 11.” It had already crashed into the North Tower.

“NEADS: OK, American 11 is still in the air?

“FAA: Yes. ...

“NEADS: He—American 11 is a hijack?

“FAA: Yes.

“NEADS: And he’s heading into Washington?

“FAA: Yes. This could be a third aircraft.”

Based on this erroneous report, the NEADS mission crew commander decided to launch the fighters at Langley.


At 9:30 a.m., two F-16s from Langley AFB, Va., got airborne but were sent to Baltimore in a misguided intercept effort. The F-16s, part of a detachment of the North Dakota ANG’s 119th FW, never got actual authority to shoot. (USAF photo by SSgt. Greg L. Davis)

Meanwhile, a United dispatcher began transmitting warnings to flights that he was monitoring. At 9:24 a.m., he sent this message: “Beware any cockpit intrusion—two [aircraft] hit World Trade Center.” His transmission was received on United Flight 93. Three minutes later—9:27 a.m.—Flight 93’s pilot “responded with a note of puzzlement.” At 9:28, the hijackers seized his airplane.

The Langley F-16 fighters, meanwhile, got airborne at 9:30. They were ordered to Baltimore in a misguided effort to intercept the already-destroyed American Flight 11.
At FAA, “concerns over the safety of other aircraft began to mount,” the report states. American Flight 77 was by that time a known hijacking, but the airplane had “vanished” and “traveled undetected for 36 minutes on a course heading due east for Washington, D.C.” At 9:32 a.m., air traffic controllers finally located it—approaching Washington.

Air traffic controllers in Washington “vectored an unarmed National Guard C-130H cargo aircraft, which had just taken off en route to Minnesota, to identify and follow the suspicious aircraft. The C-130H pilot spotted it ... [and] attempted to follow its path,” the report stated.

At 9:33 a.m., a supervisor at Reagan National Airport called the Secret Service to say “an aircraft [is] coming at you and not talking with us.”

First Word

Still unaware of this threat to Washington, NEADS contacted another FAA center to get more information about American Flight 11. At 9:34, FAA told NORAD that American Flight 77 was also missing. This was the first official notice to the military that American 77 was missing, and “it had come by chance,” the report noted.

“This startling news prompted the mission crew commander at NEADS to take immediate control of the airspace to clear a flight path for the Langley fighters,” the report stated. “He then discovered, to his surprise, that the Langley fighters were not headed north toward the Baltimore area as instructed, but east over the ocean.” The Langley F-16s had not been given a specific destination and followed a “generic” flight path designed to take them away from populated areas as quickly as possible.

“I don’t care how many windows you break,” the NEADS commander said, ordering the fighters to race north.

At 9:37, American Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. The C-130 was on the scene only seconds later. The fighters from Langley were still 150 miles away.

By this time, said the report, “another aircraft was heading toward Washington, an aircraft about which NORAD had heard nothing.” It was United Flight 93.

Even if it had been available, military intervention was not needed to stop Flight 93, because a passenger revolt began at 9:57 a.m. Several passengers “terminated phone calls with loved ones in order to join the revolt,” the report noted. One ended her call, “Everyone’s running up to first class. I’ve got to go. Bye.”

The attack against the hijackers went on for six minutes. At the end, “the hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them.”


At 9:32 a.m., air traffic controllers rediscovered American Flight 77 (which had vanished) flying in Washington, D.C., airspace. At 9:37, the hijacked airliner crashed into the Pentagon. Langley F-16s were 150 miles away. (US Navy Photo by PH1 Dewitt D. Roseborough III)

At 10:02 a.m., officials in the White House shelter, which now housed Vice President Dick Cheney, received word that Flight 93 was inbound toward Washington.

At 10:03, Flight 93 plunged into a field near Shanksville, Pa., southeast of Pittsburgh. “The nation owes a debt to the passengers of United 93,” the commissioners wrote. “Their actions saved the lives of countless others and may have saved either the Capitol or the White House from destruction.”

The same C-130 that saw Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon was also first to the United 93 crash site. The airlifter had “resumed its flight to Minnesota and saw the smoke from the crash ... less than two minutes after the plane went down.”

No one from FAA had requested military assistance for dealing with Flight 93. “The flight had already crashed by the time [NORAD] learned it was hijacked,” the report noted.

Cheney’s Order

In the chaos of the morning, there was a misperception that Flight 93 was continuing toward Washington long after it actually had crashed. Around 10:12 a.m., Cheney gave an order for orbiting fighters to “take out” the incoming airliner.

Cheney would repeat this order three times by 10:30, but word never reached the F-16s flying CAP from Langley.

By 10:38 a.m., however, D.C. Air National Guard F-16 fighters were airborne with “entirely different rules of engagement,” the report stated.

Maj. Gen. David F. Wherley, then commander of the 113th Wing at Andrews AFB, Md., sent up F-16s after contacting the Secret Service, having heard secondhand reports that fighters were needed over the nation’s capital.

“While the fighter pilots under NORAD direction ... out of Langley never received any type of engagement order, the Andrews pilots were operating weapons free,” the report reads.

There is no evidence that Bush, Cheney, NORAD, or the top leaders at the Pentagon knew the Andrews fighters were airborne that morning.

NORAD had essentially no chance of stopping the hijacked aircraft that morning. Air defenders had nine minutes’ notice of the first hijacked airplane before it crashed and “no advance notice” for any of the other three.

Inaccurate statements in the wake of the attacks created impressions that the military could have stopped some of the aircraft, the report stated. NORAD officials have said they scrambled the Langley fighters to intercept Flight 77, Flight 93, or both. “These statements were incorrect,” the commission asserted.


At 9:28 a.m., hijackers seized United Flight 93 and headed toward Washington, D.C. A passenger revolt began at 9:57 a.m. and, at 10:03, Flight 93 plunged into a field in Pennsylvania. The F-16s still had not gotten the “shoot” order. (AP photo/Tribune-Review, Scott Spangler)

All evidence shows “the fighters were scrambled because of the report that American 11 was heading south. ... This response to a phantom aircraft was not recounted in a single public timeline or statement” issued by DOD, the report reads.

“NEADS never received notice that American 77 was hijacked,” and did not have 14 minutes to respond, as previous statements held.

“Nor did the military have 47 minutes to respond to United 93, as would be implied by the account that it received notice ... at 9:16,” the report stated. NORAD learned of Flight 93’s hijacking four minutes after the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania.

It is impossible to know what would have happened if Flight 93 had not been brought down by its passengers. Timelines show the only fighters over Washington at Flight 93’s expected arrival time were the Langley F-16s.

“At that point in time, the Langley pilots did not know the threat they were facing ... and did not have shoot-down authorization,” the report reads.

“I reverted to the Russian threat. ... I’m thinking cruise missile threat from the sea,” explained the lead pilot from Langley that morning. He looked down to “see the Pentagon burning” and “thought the bastards snuck one by us,” he said. “No one told us anything.”

The events of Sept. 11 do not cast dishonor on “the operational personnel at NEADS or FAA,” the report stated. “NEADS commanders and officers actively sought out information, and they made the best judgments they could on the basis of what they knew.”

Military personnel “struggled, under difficult circumstances, to improvise a homeland defense against an unprecedented challenge they had never before encountered and had never trained to meet,” the commission concluded.

[QueMan]

Lets see.....not to sound sarcastic....but I am and will.

I can prove anything I stated there since I served in the US Air Force active duty components from October 1973 to September 1983. I then joined the USAF Guard/Reserve components from October 1983 to my retirement in October 2003. Oh yeah....guess you forgot to read my entire signature line......

My Air Force specialty was Aircraft Armament Systems Specialist as a 462X0 which was later changed to 2W1X0 under General McPeak in the early 1990's.

I worked fighter aircraft for most of my career that included F-4's, F-15's and F-111's of which all bases I was stationed at had alert pads with loaded and ready to scramble fighters with either missiles or nukes loaded.

My last assignment was with Headquarters Pacific Air Forces LG division and just one little note....I held a Top Secret clearance due to my work on F-15's.

Can I prove what I stated here? Oh you bet....but then again I wouldn't post something from an anonymous source as you did without checking the validity out of his or her statement.

Want more proof??? Just a simple internet search on Langley AFB brings you up to this site: http://www.langleyafb.us/ which tells the public what aircraft they fly. (You can do this with any military base.)

Second....with 30 years of experience in the armament field (which we were know as anything from weapons pukes to mussel f$ckers) not much changed in the basic operations on the flight line just names and numbers. Oh yeah....we were the only ones to call ourselves 'loaders' outside folks only called us 'weapons' and still do to this day.

Third and one last item I do realize there are bogus 'scumbags' posing as 'veterans' (just look at King George and Prince Kerry) as the liberals have tried to throw out, however if you would like to contact me feel free and I will give you my contact number and any other military documents you would like.

In the meantime if you would like to view my blog that I haven't updated in over a year it may show you a thing or too from this old warrior.....  http://divermike.blogspot.com

Take care and I look forward to hearing from you -- if you still think I may still be misinformed!!

QueMan

[trixi1]

Lets see.....not to sound sarcastic....but I am and will.

I can prove anything I stated there since I served in the US Air Force active duty components from October 1973 to September 1983. I then joined the USAF Guard/Reserve components from October 1983 to my retirement in October 2003. Oh yeah....guess you forgot to read my entire signature line......

My Air Force specialty was Aircraft Armament Systems Specialist as a 462X0 which was later changed to 2W1X0 under General McPeak in the early 1990's.

I worked fighter aircraft for most of my career that included F-4's, F-15's and F-111's of which all bases I was stationed at had alert pads with loaded and ready to scramble fighters with either missiles or nukes loaded.

My last assignment was with Headquarters Pacific Air Forces LG division and just one little note....I held a Top Secret clearance due to my work on F-15's.

Can I prove what I stated here? Oh you bet....but then again I wouldn't post something from an anonymous source as you did without checking the validity out of his or her statement.

Want more proof??? Just a simple internet search on Langley AFB brings you up to this site: http://www.langleyafb.us/ which tells the public what aircraft they fly. (You can do this with any military base.)

Second....with 30 years of experience in the armament field (which we were know as anything from weapons pukes to mussel f$ckers) not much changed in the basic operations on the flight line just names and numbers. Oh yeah....we were the only ones to call ourselves 'loaders' outside folks only called us 'weapons' and still do to this day.

Third and one last item I do realize there are bogus 'scumbags' posing as 'veterans' (just look at King George and Prince Kerry) as the liberals have tried to throw out, however if you would like to contact me feel free and I will give you my contact number and any other military documents you would like.

In the meantime if you would like to view my blog that I haven't updated in over a year it may show you a thing or too from this old warrior.....  http://divermike.blogspot.com

Take care and I look forward to hearing from you -- if you still think I may still be misinformed!!

QueMan

I'm actually not questioning your experience or your post. I questioned if you were in the know or not. Secondly, can you state with complete confidence that what this vet said is a lie? That was the point I was trying to make. Please read my previous posts and you will see that. Finally, this has nothing to do with having a problem with posting anonymous comments. The fact that this person came forward with the only proof they have, and that is their word, but then said that there are others that have the real proof, I think this point got missed. I find that to be completely pertinent and it would be irresponsible to ignore that sir, again, no disrespect intended. The previous post by jimd3100 found a link that points to the fact that F-16s were indeed used. Is this something that was missed?

I'm not willing to ignore another vet's comment because you may not have been completely in the know, sir, but I respect where you're coming from. That said, it would be relevant to post any vet's comments to what they know because it helps to give everyone the complete picture, does it not?

Good day to you sir!

[markshark4]

Flight 93 Shootdown Pilot Identified  



Infowars.com
June 28, 2004

Col. Don de Grand-pre first broke the story of the Happy Hooligans and the shootdown of Flight 93 during his interview on The Alex Jones Show back in February.

MP3: http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrandpre.html

Interview Transcript: http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html

Alex spoke with Col. De Grand-Pre today, who confirms the information in this article.
 

Lets Roll 911 | June 28 2004

LetsRoll has discovered the name of the pilot as well as all other pertinent information regarding this incident;

"At precisely 0938 hours, an alarm was sounded at Langely Air Force Base, and those whom were on call, drinking coffee, were scrambled. Thus the 119th Fighter Wing was off for an intercept.

They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958;

He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001. The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota, and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911 occured on a "Temporary assignment."

Major Rick Gibney did as he was ordered and did nothing criminal. He was merely following orders, of which he had no choice. Please do not harrass this man or bother him for doing what his CO & ultimately George Bush, ordered him to do. Major Rick Gibney has no reason to feel guilty nor regret following orders. The fault lies with his superiors, and a one, certain President George Bush who planned and engineered 911. Please do not heap any kind of abuse onto this man, a crack fighter pilot, one of the best in our nation, for doing what he was trained and ordered to do. He is a good man, honest and full of Integrity as well as unlimited discipline. He is a patriot, and was lied to and deceived.

He had no way to know that this plane wasn't a 'hostile.' Nor could he have. The fault lies with his superiors, and President George 'Dubya' Bush.

Flight 93 has now been forever solved by truth, and honest reporting and investigating, from letsroll911.org!

Major Rick Gibney, please do not read this as anything but the truth that the world deserves to know as true history. You played a part, but it was your superiors who deceived both you and everyone else regarding Flight 93. I didn't relish printing your name, as your innocent of any evil doing. yet it's history, and truth, and the world deserves to know.

And your safer now that this truth is out there, than if it was not.

But the world would appreciatte an honest reply and statement from you on this issue, but only when your able and ready.

The source of this information Mr. Gibney was very careful to point out your high quality of charachter and lack of malice or malfeasance in these issues. Your integrity is no way harmed by these revelations, as you were ignorant of the total picture of what was happening that day, and following orders as you were trained to do in an emergency.

I apologize for having to print your name, but felt it neccessary for both the truth to come forward, and your own safety.

Major Rick Gibney..."Lets Roll"

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/93_shootdown.htm

[Ian2day]

Some people speculate that the plane travelled back in time as a part of some secret black opps programme ala Philadelphia experiment.

[markshark4]

Some info on US Army Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre ...

It had been a long and winding road that led Donn de Grand Pre from the jungle of Burma and China in 1944-45 where he served as an 18 year old radio operator with the 236th Combat Engineers, to his position as the Pentagon's point man for militray sales to the Middle East.

Commissioned in 1950, he served as an infantry troop leader and paratrooper, as well as a combat troop commander and intelligence officer with the 27th Infantry "Wolfhound" Regiment in Korea. He was decorated for valor in combat and seriously wounded in 1953. While recuperating, he graduated cum laud from Dickinson State University (ND), with a degree in political science in 1956. He returned to active duty as the deputy chief of the International Division. Office of the Chief of Research & Development. He also served as Commander of Special Troops for the US Army Reserves.

Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara appointed Colonel Donn de Grand Pre Director Ground Weapons Systems in a newly created office of International Logistics Negotiations in 1967. He and his colleagues were given the mission to negotiate sales contracts with heads of foreign nations for military equipment and weapons systems. They became the world's most successful arms salesmen, with sales totaling nearly 100 billion dollars over a ten-year period.

EVERYBODY and his brother should listen to this interview with him, he explains what really happened on 9/11!  Also, he personally knows the fighter pilot who shot down Flight 93!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrandpre.html