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« Reply #240 on: January 20, 2009, 01:49:37 PM »

I sent this info to my aunt, who's a nurse, because a few months ago, she was proudly announcing that she "knows about the Tuskegee experiments"...when I asked her about it, she said that "they STARTED WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS...TO HELP POOR, PROMISCUOUS BLACK PEOPLE"....I was like, "um, hello, EUGENICS???"

She didn't even know what eugenics WAS.

I realized that, not only are they compartmentalizing doctors and nurses to NOT believe us when we tell them about eugenics, but they PURPOSELY FEED THEM DISINFO about "failed experiments in the past"
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« Reply #241 on: January 20, 2009, 09:31:06 PM »

I gotta call in and ask Alex his opinion of this film.  Like many natural health people say the body can only get disease if it is not healthy.  Maybe all the vaccines and drugs and other toxins together cause cancer and in extreme cases like gay drug users cause AIDS.  It could be the case and in this case the Government pushing AZT on anyone diagnosed with a harmless virus like HIV (watch the film) could be to blame for causing AIDS.  It was only after AZT was approved for use that AIDS exploded. 

I might call into the show to ask about this.  I am not a no planer by the way.  I created the site http://www.calgary911truth.org so I am well aware of everything about 9/11 and everything else.  This film just made sense to me.  Any other opinions from people who have watched HIV = AIDS Fact or Fiction?
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« Reply #242 on: January 21, 2009, 12:49:28 AM »

Has anyone else watched the film HIV=AIDS Fact or Fiction?
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« Reply #243 on: January 21, 2009, 01:04:02 AM »

House Bill 15090 showing that the U.S. government asked for the AIDS virus to be made

For those who haven’t seen this documentary, a friend of mine directed this project.  It is an excellent film about AIDS, of the many that exposed how it was not only a man made virus, but its controversial history.

http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/

Here is the film:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8142733917997460212&ei=-2JwSevfFISa-wHdsJmpBQ&q=aids

 http://freeduhm.com/house-bill-15090-showing-government-asked-aids-virus/

The Development of the AIDS virus was funded in 1969 (three years before the request for development by the World Health Organization) through funds obtained by the United States Defense Department. The Defense Department requested and received $10 million via House Bill 15090, which was reviewed in Hearings before the Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives during the ninety-first Congress in review of the Defense Appropriations for 1970.

Part Five of H.B. 15090 was entitled RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION, sponsored by the Department of the Army, the Advanced Research Project Agency (now DARPA), and Defense Research and Engineering.

The Feasibility program and laboratories were to have been completed by 1974 - 1975 and the virus between 1974 - 1979. The WHO started to inject AIDS - laced smallpox vaccine (Vaccina) into over 100 million Africans in 1977. Over 2000 young white male homosexuals (Operation Trojan Horse) were injected with laced Hepatitis B vaccine in 1978 through the Centers for Disease Control and the New York Blood Center. The development of the virus apparently had a dual purpose: (1) As a political / ethnic weapon to be used against black individuals and (2) one of the programmed efforts at de-population.

The session of the Subcommittee that took place on July 1, 1969 involved discussions about Synthetic Biological Agents. Part of the congressional narrative (from HB 15090) is detailed below:

“There are two things about the biological agent field I would like to mention. One is the possibility of technological surprise. Molecular biology is a field that is advancing very rapidly and many eminent biologist believe that within a period of 5 - 10 years it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired.”

Mr. Sikes: Are we doing any work in that field?

Dr. MacArthur: We are not.

Mr. Sikes: Why not? Lack of money or lack of interest?

Dr. MacArthur: Certainly not lack of interest.

Mr. Sikes: Would you provide for our record information on what would be required, what the advantages of such a program would be, the time and the cost involved?

Dr. MacArthur: We will be very happy to. The dramatic progress being made in the field of molecular biology led us to investigate the relevance of this field of science to biological warfare. A small group of experts considered this matter and provided the following observations:

1. All biological agents up to the present time are representatives of naturally occurring disease, and are thus known by scientists throughout the world. They are easily available to qualified scientists for research, either for offensive or defensive purposes.

2. Within the next 5 - 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.

3. A research program to explore the feasibility to this could be completed in approximately 5 years at a cost of $10 million.

4. It would be very difficult to establish such a program. The science of molecular biology is a relatively new science. There are not many highly competent scientists in the field. Almost all are in university laboratories and they are general adequately supported from sources other than DOD. However, it was considered possible to initiate an adequate program through the National Academy of Sciences National Research Council (NAS-NRC). The matter was discussed with NAS-NRC and tentative plans were made to initiate the program. However, decreasing funds in CB, growing criticism of the CB program, and our reluctance to involve the NAS-NRC in such a controversial endeavor have led us to postpone it for the past 2 years. It is a highly controversial issue and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken lest it lead to yet another method of massive killing of large populations. On the other hand, without the sure scientific knowledge that such a weapon is possible, and an understanding of the ways it could be done, there is little that can be done to devise defensive measures. Should an enemy develop it there is little doubt that this is an important area of potential military technological inferiority in which there is no adequate research program.

Actual creation of the virus was done through the Department of the Army at Fort George Meade and through the Department of Navy. The name of the individual who was head of the Naval development program is known but will not be released at this time.

EVERYONE LEARN THIS NOW!  SPREAD THIS!!  I watched the whole 2 hour film and it blew me away!  It all makes sense.  The drugs are what cause AIDS to kill people.  HIV is harmless.


Has anyone watched the whole film yet?
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« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2009, 01:11:38 AM »

Has anyone watched the whole film yet?

Yes but judging by some of the replies on the thread I'm alone on that point.
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« Reply #245 on: January 21, 2009, 01:32:03 AM »

Here is a lovely family song for all of the anti-Hippocratic physicians (eugenecists) out there....



We Belong Dead Lyrics


Lyrics by Impaled
[music - Ross Sewage]
[lyrics - Ross Sewage]

A plague on mankind, a pox on the planet
We are the surgeons of sickness and shit

Innocent bystanders are subjected to the horror
Our gruesome displays give rise to a furor
Bodies were piled and defiantly defiled
Up to our knees in blood, sweat, and bile
For the means to achieve our deviant needs
The guilty should die and the innocent bleed

Doctors of death, practitioners of pain
Morbid addictions cannot be restrained
A need to dismember, disfigure, and maim
By A.M.A. standards, we've gone quite insane

Hippocrates turning in his grave
The oath, broken, cannot be mended
From the realms of science we've strayed
And into the charnel house descended

Vitriolic tinctures substituted for plasma
Intra-venously rotted by a virulent miasma
Appendages unnecessarily amputated
To promote zero growth all were castrated
A myopic nurse doles out the bonesaw
The O.R. is now a functioning abbatoir

Prescriptions meted out for an untimely demise
Injections of fæces, our malicious advice
Appointments were kept for the ceasing of lives
Our promise to heal, a pack of lies

A Hippocratic hypocrisy
When the pledge is defiled
The house of healing an atrocity
The list of victims we've compiled

Hung on a noose, drowned in the loam, sliced at the vein
Let flow the red
Choked on a pill, impaled through the brain
We belong dead

[solo: "The Flesh and the Fiends" by S.C. McGrath]

Our clinic raided by the authorities
Littered with corpses on all thirteen stories
We toiled long in the laboratories
Fueled by methamphetamines and forties

Wading through offal and excrement
Agents of law effect our detainment

Judicial procedings with malevolent prejudice
Our heinous crimes lack any precedence
Horrifying facts and aggregious evidence
The lives and deaths of medical deviants

Bloodstained hands assure guilt, ipso facto
Our lives are forfeit for theirs, quid pro quo

Lethal injection, gas chamber, or the chair
Corporeal punishment for our brand of intensive care

[solo: "Age Actabile Anti-Hippocrate" by S.C. McGrath]
[solo: "The Doctor Is In... Sane" by A.S. LaBarre]
[solo: "Dead Men Walking" by S.C. McGrath]
[solo: "Throw the Switch" by A.S. LaBarre]

In memorium to Hippocrates
Our corporeal bonds are severed
But our crimes against humanity
In infamy, shall reign forever

Hung on a noose, drowned in the loam, sliced at the vein
Let flow the red
Choked on a pill, impaled through the brain
We belong dead

[solo: "Physician, Kill Thyself" by A.S. LaBarre]
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« Reply #246 on: January 21, 2009, 01:34:01 AM »

Has anyone watched the whole film yet?

yes, a few times.

it is like watching september clues, pentacon, birds, and other disinfo crap.
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« Reply #247 on: January 21, 2009, 07:13:22 AM »

http://www.aidstruth.org/new/denialism/dead_denialists



A partial list of HIV-positive HIV/AIDS denialists who have died from conditions, and with symptoms, characteristic of AIDS

None of the scientists and journalists who are the most prominent promoters of HIV denialist theories in the mainstream and "independent" media have reported testing positive for HIV; the issue of the cause and treatment of HIV/AIDS is a purely academic matter for those who drive the denialist movement. But a number of people diagnosed with HIV infection – people whose lives are in the balance – have become activists in the "AIDS dissident" movement. Tragically, many of these individuals have died with symptoms and/or infectious illnesses that are characteristic of AIDS. Their friends in the denialist movement have in every instance insisted that HIV had nothing to do with their deaths. The medical records of dead denialists are, of course, not publicly available, but obituaries and reports of their untimely deaths almost always include descriptions of symptoms and conditions that are typical of late-stage HIV disease and extremely rare in uninfected people, along with statements attributing their deaths to "unknown causes," to secret illicit drug use, and to immune system damage caused by the "stress" of supporting the unpopular cause of AIDS denialism. It's worth noting that none of the HIV-negative denialists have died from these ailments.

The numbers and stories speak for themselves, and we hope that readers who test positive for HIV will heed the warning in these deaths. What is the likelihood that so many individuals would die with AIDS-like symptoms at relatively young ages without their HIV infection playing the causative role?

Many, many other people with HIV have died of AIDS-related causes because denialist disinformation persuaded them (or their parents or their government) that antiretroviral treatment, and not the virus, was the danger to their health. (AIDStruth.org has not included here the names of perinatally infected HIV+ children who have died from HIV/AIDS because their denialist parents chose not to seek appropriate medical care for them.) The linked article by Bruce Mirken, Bad science: They once thought HIV was harmless. Now, they say, AIDS has forced them to reconsider, from the San Francisco Bay Guardian, February 2, 2000, reveals that many HIV+ denialists who have no public visibility have died from AIDS, and that many more see the error of their thinking and when they start getting sick and can no longer sustain the denialist fantasy. These individuals are regularly attacked by denialists verbally, in the press, and on the internet when they go on ARVs and their health improves.

AIDStruth.org is continuing to compile this list. Please send names of denialists who have died from HIV disease and supporting documentation to deathbydenial@earthlink.net for review and posting.

Ken Anderlini

Ken Anderlini was a co-moderator of the "AIDS Myth Exposed" message board on MSN. Anderlini died in April of 2007. Denialist David Crowe from the "Alberta Reappraising AIDS Society" wrote an announcement of his death, saying: "Over the past couple of years his health had declined rapidly with a strange neurological disease for which nobody could pinpoint the cause (except doctors who claimed it was HIV related, of course)."

http://groups.msn.com/aidsmythexposed/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=28789&LastModified=4675620632766605055

Fela Anikulapo-Kuti

Fela Anikulapo-Kuti, the great Nigerian music star, "died in 1997 of a disease he claimed didn't exist, and certainly not in Africa: AIDS. No matter that Fela's older brother, Professor Olikoye Ransome-Kuti, had served as the country's health minister and launched Nigeria's much-lauded early AIDS program. . . . There was hardly an illness African herbs couldn't cure, Fela maintained, and he dismissed condoms as unnatural, unpleasurable, and a white plot to reduce the black birthrate. He believed, says Olikoye, that "all doctors were fabricating AIDS, including myself." Fela was 58.

(Mark Schoofs, "A Tale of Two Brothers Part 2: Fela Didn't Believe AIDS Existed. But then he died of the disease. His brother is still trying to convince Fela's fans that HIV is real." Village Voice, November 10 - 16, 1999.)

Michael Bellefountaine

A member of the denialist ACT UP/San Francisco, Michael Bellafontaine died on May 10, 2007. He was 41. His Bay Area Reporter obituary said that "According to Andrea Lindsay, a friend and fellow activist, Mr. Bellefountaine died of a sudden systemic infection, though the exact cause has not been determined." http://ebar.com/obituaries/index.php?sec=ob&article=252
Sophie Brassard

Sophie Brassard, a Canadian, was the HIV-positive mother of two HIV-positive, perinatally-infected sons. Citing the influence of HEAL, Alive and Well, Duesberg and Mullis, she refused to allow her children access to medical care when the became ill and fled the country with them. She consequently lost custody and parental rights. She died of AIDS on September 16, 2002, at age 37. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000186.html
Ronnie Burk

Ronnie Burke was a member of the dissident group ACT UP/San Francisco (which has been denounced by other legitimate ACT UP groups). He died from AIDS in March of 2003 at the age of 47.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/09/DDGEAJ9IH61.DTL

Sylvie Cousseau

Sylvie Cousseau contributed to a list of testimonials from people who tested HIV positive but embraced AIDS denial and rejected HIV treatment. This list of testimonials features on several different websites, including HEAL Toronto and the personal web pages of Rudolf Werner, Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at the University of Miami.

http://molbio.med.miami.edu/HIV-Aids/stories.htm
http://healtoronto.com/testimonials.html
http://www.garynull.com/documents/Continuum/LustForLifeLeapOfFaith.htm

Sylvie Cousseau was the partner of Mark Griffiths. Sylvie died in 2001 at age 41. Cousseau's death was reported in postings to AIDS denial message boards in France.

http://www.onnouscachetout.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6706

Mark Griffiths

Mark Griffiths ran a denialist website called Altheal (along with a French version, Sidasante), until he died in October 2004. In the article linked below, the AIDS denialist Liam Scheff ponders the cause of his death, suggesting Griffiths may still have been using heroin (because he seemed a "bit groggy" sometimes); this is despite the fact that Griffiths had undergone successful recovery in the late 1980s. Scheff ultimately concluded that Griffiths died because he was abusing alcohol. http://www.altheal.org/altheal/markmemorial.htm

Another associate, Emma Hollister, suggests Griffiths death was related to a course of antibiotics taken several months before for dental work: http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/emma_holister/2005/01/07/aids_dissidence_movement_loses_a.htm
Robert Johnston

Robert Johnston was a co-founder of HEAL Toronto and a co-author of the self-described "rebuttal" of the Durban Declaration that was posted to HEAL Toronto's website in 2000. At the time, he wrote: "Robert Johnston is a co-founder of HEAL Toronto, and has been HIV-positive since 1985 yet has suffered no unusual illness since that time. He attributes his good health to not taking any anti-HIV medications and to not believing that his positive antibody test has much significance."

Johnston died three years later on April 3, 2003. As with all other similar cases, Johnston's colleagues claim his death was not caused by HIV infection. David Crowe wrote that he died of "liver failure completely unrelated to AIDS."

John Kirkham

John Kirkham, an HIV+ denialist who managed the altheal website, died of pneumonia in 2008. His friends attribute his death to having survived lymphoma, a difficult personal relationship, and a chilly, damp house.
Kelly Jon Landis

We regret to report that Kelly Jon Landis died December 3, 2007 in Santa Monica, CA, at age 39 after suffering for several months with lymphoma and other AIDS symptoms. Self-described as the "dissident saint," he was a health food fanatic and avid bicycle rider who avoided standard medical care and sought alternative therapies. He felt that simply leading a drug-free healthy lifestyle would protect him from disease.

Although a "dissident" himself, Kelly Jon Landis vocally opposed the homophobia rampant among HIV/AIDS denialists.

http://people.tribe.net/aca8f528-05d6-44fc-898e-1e64320fd60a
http://www.ldsfiles.com/link/?1030952187
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=139.1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-saltlakecity

Jack Levine

Jack Levine was a regular poster to the "Virusmyth" message board. When he became sick and began to question denialism, the other board members turned on him, which eventually led to the Virusmyth message board being taken permanently offline in order to hide the appalling record of what happened. Levine died from AIDS in March of 2002 at the age of 47.
http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/bbs/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=living&Number=41833&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=9&o=&vc=1
Raphael Lombardo

Raphael Lombardo was a gay man who believed Peter Duesberg's claims that HIV was harmless. Lombardo wrote to Duesberg on May 30, 1995, noting that he had never used any recreational drugs or pharmaceuticals and was not sick, despite testing HIV positive (the letter was titled "Life without AZT !"). Duesberg published the entire letter in his book "Inventing the AIDS Virus" and wrote of Lombardo: "His letter proves that true science does not depend on institutional authority." (The letter is posted at: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/pdazt.htm .

Raphael Lombardo died of AIDS a little over a year later, on June 11, 1996. When asked about Lombardo's death, Duesberg wrote: "In hindsight, I think his letter was almost too good to be true. I am afraid now, he described the man he wanted to be [e.g. that he did not use recreational drugs] and his Italian family expected him to be, but not the one he really was. I think he died from Kaposi's." (Source: Email to Richard Jefferys from Peter Duesberg, Wednesday, April 05, 2006)

When this correspondence was published on the internet, Duesberg was contacted by Raphael Lombardo's sister, Regina, who was incensed by Duesberg's claim that her brother had covertly used poppers or other recreational drugs (as Duesberg was
implying). Duesberg wrote back to her and told her that she was wrong, too.

Peter Mokaba

Peter Makoba, a senior politician in South Africa�s African Nationalist Congress Party and a prominent denialist, died in 2002 at the age of 43 from AIDS-related pneumonia after a "long illness." He denied that he had AIDS and rejected antiviral drugs as poison. http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,753812,00.html


Christine Maggiore

Christine Maggiore was an HIV-positive denialist who founded the "Alive&Well AIDS Alternatives" denialist organisation. She wrote and self-published the book What If Everything You Thought You Knew about AIDS Was Wrong? Her 3-year old daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died of AIDS-related pneumonia after Maggiore had refused to take medication to prevent mother-to-child transmission of HIV or to have the child tested for HIV. Christine Maggiore died at the age of 52 on Saturday 27 December 2008, likely of an AIDS-related illness. Read AIDSTruth's editorial on her death: Christine Maggiore's Death: Lessons from a Tragedy.

These articles provide further details on Maggiore and the death of her daughter:

    * The HIV Disbelievers: Christine Maggiore is a different kind of AIDS activist—one who
      tells people to forget safe sex and stop taking their lifesaving drugs.
    * A Mother's Denial, a Daughter's Death:"The HIV-positive mother of two laid out matter-of-factly why, even while pregnant, she hadn't taken HIV medications, and why she had never tested her children for the virus... Seven weeks later, Eliza Jane was dead."
    * A report on Eliza-Jane Scovill’s death, in rebuttal to that of Mohammed Al-Bayati
    * Coroner's Report regarding Eliza-Jane Scovill’s death

Marietta Ndziba

Marietta Ndziba was used by the vitamin salesman Matthias Rath to market multivitamins as an alternative to antiretroviral treatment. In a pamphlet distributed by Rath and his agents in Cape Town, South Africa in September 2005, she was quoted as saying that her CD4 count rose from 365 to 841 due to Rath's vitamins. She implied that these vitamins treated boils on her arm, her grey skin, diarrhoea and vomiting. She said "I just thank God that he brings vitamins here to South Africa to help our lives." As far as the South African AIDS activist organisation Treatment Action Campaign could ascertain Ndziba never took antiretrovirals. She died in about October 2005. One family member reportedly claimed that she died of a stress headache. Rath's vitamins clearly did not help Ndziba. She should have been treated by qualified doctors in the public health system, not Rath or his agents.

Astoundingly, a video recording of Ndziba claiming the benefits of Rath's vitamins continued to be available on the front page of Rath's South African website until January 2006. (Source: TAC)

David Pasquarelli

David Pasquarelli, a leader of the denialist group "ACT UP San Francisco" developed PCP, anemia, thrush, meningitis, mycobacterium and disseminated CMV before he died in March of 2004. He was 37. http://www.davidpasquarelli.com
Casper G. Schmidt

Casper G. Schmidt was a psychiatrist who published "The Group-Fantasy Origins of AIDS" in the Journal of Psychohistory in 1984. The article, which claimed that AIDS was not a real disease but a product of "epidemic hysteria," is still regularly cited by AIDS denialists. Schmidt died from AIDS in 1994.
Tony Tompsett

Tony Tompsett wrote for the denialist newsletter Continuum from 1993 until just before his death in 1998 at age 39 from Kaposi's sarcoma, toxoplasmosis and possible pneumonia.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Tony+Tompsett&offset=0
Huw Christie Williams

Huw Christie (Huw Christie Harry Williams) was an editor of Continuum, a long-running AIDS denialist newsletter from the UK that folded when all the editors died. Huw Christie developed Kaposi's sarcoma and died in August of 2001. He was 41. http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/mbobituaryhc.htm

In an email, Peter Duesberg described Christie's death as follows: "Did you know Hugh* Christie? Also a gay friend of mine from London, filmmaker and editor of the very popular British gay-interested journal, Continuum. Christie campaigned actively against the health and AIDS hazards of poppers in Continuum. Like me, he was invited by Mbeki, to discuss the causes of AIDS in Africa in 2000. And a year or two later he passed away with Kaposi's, from long-term over-use/addiction to poppers!"* (Source: Email to Richard Jeffreys from Peter Duesberg, Wednesday, April 05, 2006. *Name misspelled and exclamation point in the original.)
Jody Wells

Jody Wells was the founder of the U.K. denialist newsletter Continuum. He had multiple bouts of PCP before he died in August of 1995. http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/continuum/obituary.htm
Scott Zanetti

Scott Zanetti, Morristown NJ, died October 6, 2002 at age 52. Scott Zanetti is another contributor to the list of testimonials mentioned in the entry on Sylvie Cousseau, above. Zanetti also wrote to POZ magazine about being inspired by the writings of Celia Farber, and contributed to the "personal stories" on the HEAL San Diego website.

http://www.morristownumc.com/webspire10-25.pdf
http://healtoronto.com/testimonials.html
http://www.poz.com/articles/203_10274.shtml
http://healsd.bravehost.com/scott.htm
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« Reply #248 on: January 21, 2009, 12:10:24 PM »

Sirs Rothscum and Sane,

You attempt to paint the HIV = AIDS skepticism as some kind of patriot myth.

HIV = AIDS has never been accepted by those who insist on:

1. Koches postulates.
2. Peer-reviewed science.

The HIV=AIDS theory has nothing to do with YOUR patriotism or any PATRIOT myth.

Your use of the term 'denialist' to describe HIV=AIDS skeptics also exposes either your ideological agenda or an unfortunate absorption of the methods of the sKum.

Only a denialist would call a truth-seeker a denialist.

Boyd Graves theories fit into YOUR patriot/ideological agenda that everything is a conspiracy formulated by the government and that  HIV really exists.

HIV is invisible, so how can you prove it even exists? How can you test for it when even the designer of the test denies the technology can do so?

Duesberg ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Duesberg ) has always been the expert on 'retroviruses' and 'cancer-genes'. Kary Mullis invented the test ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis) Yet you dismiss both for the rantings of Mr Graves?

Duesberg and Mullis are two of the most upright and upstanding scientists of our time. Both are skeptics and rightly so.




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« Reply #249 on: January 21, 2009, 01:14:06 PM »

Sirs Rothscum and Sane,

You attempt to paint the HIV = AIDS skepticism as some kind of patriot myth.

HIV = AIDS has never been accepted by those who insist on:

1. Koches postulates.
2. Peer-reviewed science.

The HIV=AIDS theory has nothing to do with YOUR patriotism or any PATRIOT myth.

Your use of the term 'denialist' to describe HIV=AIDS skeptics also exposes either your ideological agenda or an unfortunate absorption of the methods of the sKum.

Only a denialist would call a truth-seeker a denialist.

Boyd Graves theories fit into YOUR patriot/ideological agenda that everything is a conspiracy formulated by the government and that  HIV really exists.

HIV is invisible, so how can you prove it even exists? How can you test for it when even the designer of the test denies the technology can do so?

Duesberg ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Duesberg ) has always been the expert on 'retroviruses' and 'cancer-genes'. Kary Mullis invented the test ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis) Yet you dismiss both for the rantings of Mr Graves?

Duesberg and Mullis are two of the most upright and upstanding scientists of our time. Both are skeptics and rightly so.


the plethora of evidence is incontrovertible. 

but getting onto your "patriot" comment.

the patriot movement has been targeted for this CoIntelPro attack on logic.  this is very common for CoIntelPro to do. If you study the Church Commission report, you will see why the Patriot movement was targeted with this stuff.  It is meant to divide the outcry against the US government for actively creating these type of viruses.  Much of the stuff is believable and has trut to it: "People have created an AIDS industrial complex".  Well we know this, but that does not mean that there is no connection.  The breaking of this connection is really their only goal, not to expose the government projects to create viruses.  And breaking the connection is the number one method to stop people from listening to the truth about government created viruses.
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« Reply #250 on: January 21, 2009, 01:20:26 PM »

Sirs Rothscum and Sane,

You attempt to paint the HIV = AIDS skepticism as some kind of patriot myth.

HIV = AIDS has never been accepted by those who insist on:

1. Koches postulates.
2. Peer-reviewed science.

The HIV=AIDS theory has nothing to do with YOUR patriotism or any PATRIOT myth.

Your use of the term 'denialist' to describe HIV=AIDS skeptics also exposes either your ideological agenda or an unfortunate absorption of the methods of the sKum.

Only a denialist would call a truth-seeker a denialist.

Boyd Graves theories fit into YOUR patriot/ideological agenda that everything is a conspiracy formulated by the government and that  HIV really exists.

HIV is invisible, so how can you prove it even exists? How can you test for it when even the designer of the test denies the technology can do so?

Duesberg ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Duesberg ) has always been the expert on 'retroviruses' and 'cancer-genes'. Kary Mullis invented the test ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis) Yet you dismiss both for the rantings of Mr Graves?

Duesberg and Mullis are two of the most upright and upstanding scientists of our time. Both are skeptics and rightly so.
Duesberg was involved in the special virus cancer program, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that he denies that HIV even causes AIDS. It's like a person who produces thermite claiming after 9/11  that Thermite can't be used to bring down buildings.
By the way, take a look at what your own upright and upstanding scientist has to say to people who claim HIV has never been isolated:

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"HIV has been isolated by the most rigorous method science has to offer. An infectious DNA of 9.15 kilo bases (kb) has been cloned from the cells of HIV-antibody-positive persons, that - upon transfection - induces the synthesis of an unique retrovirus. This DNA "isolates" HIV from all cellular molecules, even from viral proteins and RNA. Having cloned infectious DNA of HIV is as much isolation of HIV as one could possibly get. The retrovirus encoded by this infectious DNA reacts with the same antibodies that cross-react with Montagnier's global HIV standard, produced by immortal cell lines in many labs and companies around the world for the HIV-test. This confirms the existence of the retrovirus HIV."
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Blaming Gays, Blacks, and Chimps for AIDS
Are species-jumping animal virus experiments responsible for the HIV Holocaust? 

n the fall of 1986 the Soviets shocked the world by claiming that HIV was secretly developed at Fort Detrick, the U.S. Army's biological warfare unit. Although the claim was dismissed as "infectious propaganda", Russian scientists had worked hand in hand with biological warfare scientists in the transfer of viruses and virus-infected tissue into various non-human primates (monkeys, apes, chimps) during the 1970s before AIDS appeared. With improved international relationships, the Russian accusation vanished.

Although evidence supporting the man-made theory has never been mentioned in the major U.S. media, the theory continues to be ridiculed. For example, in the San Francisco Chronicle,( "Quest for the Origin of AIDS", January 14, 2001), William Carlsen writes: "In the early years of the AIDS epidemic, theories attempting to explain the origin of the disease ranged from the comic to the bizarre: a deadly germ escaped from a secret CIA laboratory; God sent the plague down to punish homosexuals and drug addicts; it came from outer space, riding on the tail of a comet."

AIDS certainly did not come from the hand of God or outer space. However, there is ample evidence to suspect the hand of man in the outbreak of AIDS that first began in the late 1970s in New York City.

Creating AIDS in animals before the epidemic

In 1974 veterinarians actually created an AIDS-like disease when newborn chimps were removed from their mothers and weaned exclusively on virus-infected milk from cows infected with "bovine C-type virus." Within a year the chimps died of leukemia and pneumocystis pneumonia (the "gay pneumonia" of AIDS). Both diseases had never been observed in chimps before this virus-transfer experiment.

Also downplayed is the laboratory creation of feline leukemia and "cat AIDS" by the transfer of HIV-like cat retroviruses in the mid-1970s. These experiments were conducted at Harvard by Myron (Max) Essex, later to become a famous AIDS researcher. All this man-made creation of AIDS in laboratory animals directly preceded the "mysterious" 1979 introduction of HIV into gay men, the most hated minority in America.

Nowadays, scientists hunt for "ancestor" viruses of HIV in chimps in the African wild and ignore all the immunosuppressive viruses that were created in virus laboratories shortly before AIDS. No consideration is given to any of these lab viruses as possible man-made ancestors of the many "strains" of HIV (and HIV-2) that jumped species to produce AIDS in humans.

The gay experiments that preceded AIDS (1978-1981)

Scientists also discount any connection between the official outbreak of AIDS in 1981 and the experimental hepatitis B vaccine program (1978-1981) at the New York Blood Center in Manhattan that used gays as guinea pigs shortly before the epidemic. Curiously, the exact origin of AIDS in the United States remains unstudied. Health authorities simply blame promiscuous gay men, but never adequately explain how a black heterosexual African disease could have transformed itself exclusively into a white young gay male disease in Manhattan.

Researchers claim HIV incubated in Africa for more that a half century until AIDS broke out there in 1982. However, in the U.S. there was no incubation period for gay men. As soon as homosexuals signed up as guinea pigs for government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments, they began to die with a strange virus of unknown origin. The hepatitis B experiments began in Manhattan in the fall of 1978; the first few cases of AIDS (all young gays from Manhattan) were reported to the CDC in 1979.

Scientists have also failed to explain how a brand new herpes virus was also introduced exclusively into gays, along with HIV, in the late 1970s. This herpes virus is now believed to be the cause of Kaposi's sarcoma, the so-called "gay cancer" of AIDS. Before AIDS, Kaposi's sarcoma was never seen in healthy young men. Identified a decade after HIV, in 1994, this KS virus is closely related to a primate cancer-causing herpes virus extensively studied and transferred in animal laboratories in the decade before AIDS.

Also downplayed to the public is a new microbe (Mycoplasma penetrans), also of unknown origin, that was introduced into homosexuals, along with HIV and the new herpes virus. Thus, not one but three new infectious agents were inexplicably transferred into the gay population at the start of the epidemic (HIV, the herpes KS virus, and M.penetrans).

In his book, Virus [2000], Luc Montagnier (the French virologist who co-discovered HIV) blames promiscuous American gay tourists for bringing this new mycoplasma to Africa, and for bringing back HIV. He provides no evidence for this homophobic theory. Nor does he mention the various mycoplasmas that were passed around in the 1970s in scientific labs, and the fact that these microbes were frequent contaminants in virus cultures and vaccines.

Why are all these simultaneous introductions of new infectious agents into gay men ignored by scientists? Surely a credible explanation would be important in determining the origin of HIV and AIDS.

Why are scientists so opposed to the man-made theory? And why do they believe so passionately in the chimp theory? One explanation might be that scientists don't want the public to know what happened to the tens of thousands of imported primates who were held captive in laboratories throughout the world in the decade before AIDS.

The forgotten Special Virus Cancer Program (1964-1977)

Rarely mentioned by AIDS scientists and media reporters is the fact that surgeons have been transplanting chimpanzee parts (and chimp viruses) into people for decades. When Keith Reemtsma died in June 2000, at age 74, he was hailed as a pioneer in cross-species organ transplants (now known as xenotransplantation). By 1964 he had already placed six chimpanzee kidneys into six patients. All his patients died, but eventually Reemtsma succeeded in many successful human-to-human organ transplants.

Much more likely to have spread primate (chimp and monkey) viruses to human beings is the largely forgotten Special Virus Cancer Program (SVCP). This research program was responsible for the development, the production, the seeding, and the deployment of various animal cancer and immunosuppressive AIDS-like viruses and retroviruses. These laboratory created viruses were capable of inducing disease when transferred between animal species and also when transplanted into human cells and tissue.

The SVCP began in 1964 as a government-funded program of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in Bethesda, Maryland. Originally designed to study leukemia, the program was soon enlarged to study all forms of cancer. The scope of the program was international and included scientists from Japan, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Israel, and Africa. The mission of the SVCP was to collect various human and animal cancers from around the world and to grow large amounts of cancer-causing viruses. As a result, thousands of liters of dangerous man-made viruses were adapted to human cells and shipped around the world to various laboratories. The annual reports of the SVCP contain proof that species jumping of animal viruses was a common occurrence in labs a decade before AIDS.

The SVCP gathered together the nation's top virologists, biochemists, immunologists, molecular biologists, and epidemiologists, to determine the role of viruses and retroviruses in the production of human cancer. Many of the most prestigious medical institutions were involved in this program.

Connected with the SVCP were the most famous future American AIDS scientists, such as Robert Gallo (the co-discoverer of HIV), Max Essex of "cat AIDS" fame, and Peter Duesberg, who claims HIV does not cause AIDS. Gallo and Essex were also the first to promote the widely accepted African green monkey theory of AIDS. This theory was proven erroneous as far back as 1988, but was heavily circulated among AIDS educators and the media until the theory was superceded by the chimp theory in the late 1990s.

Biowarfare research, primate research and the SVCP

Also joining forces with the SVCP at the NCI were the military's biological warfare researchers. On October 18, 1971, President Richard Nixon announced that the army's biowarfare laboratories at nearby Fort Detrick, Maryland, would be converted to cancer research. As part of Nixon's so-called War on Cancer, the military biowarfare unit was retitled the new Frederick Cancer Research Center, and Litton Bionetics was named as the military's prime contractor for this project.

According to the 1971 SVPC annual report, the primary task of the now jointly connected National Cancer Institute-Frederick Cancer Research Center was "the large scale production of oncogenic (cancer-causing) and suspected oncogenic viruses to meet research needs on a continuing basis." Special attention was given to primate viruses (the alleged African source of HIV) and "the successful propagation of significant amounts of human candidate viruses." Candidate viruses were animal or human viruses that might cause human cancers.

For these experiments a steady supply of research animals (monkeys, chimpanzees, mice, and cats) was necessary; and multiple breeding colonies were established for the SVCP. Primates were shipped in from West Africa and Asia for experimentation; and virus-infected animals were shipped out to various labs worldwide.

By 1971, a total of 2,274 primates had been inoculated at Bionetics Research Laboratories, under contract to Fort Detrick. Over 1000 of these monkeys had already died or had been transferred to other primate centers. (Some animals were eventually released back into the wild). By the early 1970s, experimenters had transferred cancer-causing viruses into several species of monkeys, and had also isolated a monkey virus (Herpesvirus saimiri) that would have a close genetic relationship to the new Kaposi's sarcoma herpes virus that produced the "gay cancer" of AIDS in 1979.

In order to induce primates and other research animals to acquire cancer, their immune system was deliberately suppressed by drugs, radiation, or cancer-causing chemicals or substances. The thymus gland and/or the spleen were removed, and viruses were injected into newborn animals or into the womb of pregnant animals. Some animals were injected with malaria to keep them chronically sick and immunodepressed.

The U.S. is the world's leading consumer of primates, and 55,000 are used yearly in medical research. Primates (especially newborn and baby chimpanzees) are the most favored lab animals because they are similar biochemically and immunologically to human beings. Humans share 98.4% of their DNA with chimpanzees. Chimps were extensively used by SVCP because there would be no official testing of "candidate" lab viruses on humans.

In the decade before AIDS, Gallo was a project officer of a primate study contracted by Bionetics that pumped cancerous human tissue, as well as a variety of chicken and monkey viruses, into newborn macaques (a small species of monkey that carries a close relative of the KS virus).

Recorded in the 1971 SVCP report (NIH-71-2025), Gallo's project notes state:

"Inasmuch as tests for the biological activity of candidate human viruses will not be tested in the human species, it is imperative that another system be developed for these determinations, and subsequently for the evaluation of vaccines or other measures of control. The close phylogenetic relationship of the lower primates to man justifies utilization of these animals for these purposes."

Researchers at Bionetics injected human and animal cancer material into various species of monkeys to determine the cancer effect. Newborn and irradiated monkeys were injected with blood ("using multiple sites and volumes as large as possible") taken from various forms of human leukemia. In other studies, tissue cultures infected with various animal viruses were inoculated into primates. How many "new" and "emerging" viruses were created and adapted to human tissue and to various primates is not known. Some primates were released back into the wild carrying lab viruses with them. The possible spread of these lab viruses to other animals in the wild has been ignored by scientists searching for the origin of HIV and its close relatives in African animals.

Cats were also bred for leukemia and sarcoma cancer studies. Germ free colonies of inbred mice were established. Mouse cancer viruses were manipulated to produce resistant and non-resistant strains. These adapted viruses would be employed in the 1980s in human gene replacement experiments. Such experiments utilized a weakened strain of the mouse leukemia virus to infect and "taxi-in" the missing genes to genetically-defective human beings.

The end of the SVCP and the birth of AIDS

By 1977 the SVCP came to an inglorious end. According to Gallo, "Scientifically, the problem was that no one could supply clear evidence of any kind of human tumor virus, not even a DNA virus, and most researchers refused to concede that viruses played any role in human cancers. Politically, the Virus Cancer Program was vulnerable because it attracted a great deal of money and attention and had failed to produce dramatic, visible results."

Despite all this, the SVCP was the birthplace of genetic engineering, molecular biology, and the human genome project. More than any other program it built up the field of animal retrovirology, which led to the vital understanding of cancer and immunosuppressive retroviruses in humans. As the SVCP was winding down, thousands of gay men were signing up as guinea pigs in government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments in New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. These same cities would soon become the three primary epicenters for the new "gay-related immune deficiency syndrome," later known as AIDS.

Two years after the termination of the SCVP, the introduction of HIV into gay men (along with a herpes virus and a mycoplasma) miraculously revived retroviral research and made Gallo the most famous scientist in the world. Could virus-contaminated hepatitis vaccines lie at the root of AIDS? In the early 1970s the hepatitis B vaccine was developed in chimpanzees. To this day, some people are fearful about taking the hepatitis B vaccine because of its original connection to gay men and AIDS.

Was HIV (and the KS herpes virus and a new mycoplasma) introduced into gays during these vaccine trials when thousands of homosexuals were injected in Manhattan beginning in 1978, and in the West Coast cities in 1980-1981?

As mentioned, the first gay AIDS cases erupted in Manhattan a few months after the gay experiment began at the NY Blood Center. When a blood test for HIV became available in the mid-1980s, the Center's stored gay blood specimens were reexamined. Most astonishing is the statistically significant fact that 20% of the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis B experiment in New York were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980 (a year before the AIDS epidemic became "official" in 1981). This signifies that Manhattan gays in 1980 had the highest incidence of HIV anywhere in the world, including Africa, the supposed birthplace of HIV and AIDS. And epidemic cases in Africa did not appear until 1982.

Although denied by the AIDS establishment, a few researchers are convinced that these vaccine experiments served as the vehicle through which HIV was introduced into the gay population. My own extensive research into the hepatitis B experiments is presented in AIDS and the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic [1988], and in Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot [1993].

These books also debunk the preposterous "Patient Zero" story of 1987, which claimed a promiscuous gay Canadian airline steward brought AIDS to America. The highly implausible story was sensationalized in the media and served to further obscure the origin of AIDS in America and blame gay promiscuity. Even Montagnier is doubtful that the U.S. epidemic could have developed from a single patient.

Never mentioned by proponents of the chimp theory is the fact that the New York Blood Center established a chimp virus laboratory in West Africa in 1974. One of the purposes of VILAB II, at the Liberian Institute for Biomedical Research in Robertsfield, Liberia, was to develop the hepatitis B vaccine in chimps. A few years later this vaccine was inoculated into gays at the Center.

Chimps were captured from various parts of West Africa and brought to VILAB. Alfred Prince, Head of virology at the NY Blood Center, has been the director of Vilab for the past 25 years. The lab prides itself by releasing "reha bilitated" chimps back into the wild.

Also closely allied with "pre-AIDS" development of a hepatitis B vaccine is the little publicized primate colony outside New York City called LEMSIP (the Laboratory for Experimental Medicine and Surgery). Until disbanded in 1997, LEMSIP supplied New York area scientists with primates and primate parts for transplantation and virus research.

Founded in 1965, LEMSIP was affiliated with the New York University Medical Center, where the first cases of AIDS-associated Kaposi's sarcoma were discovered in 1979. Researchers at NYU Medical Center were also heavily involved in the development of the experimental hepatitis B vaccine used in gays; and the Medical Center received government grants and contracts connected with biological warfare research beginning in 1969, according to Leonard Horowitz, author of Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola [1996].

Scientific disinformation and the 1959 HIV-positive blood test from Africa

By predating HIV back to the 1930s, the chimp theory effectively discredits the man-made theory of AIDS, which dates the introduction of HIV to the late 1970s. Only time will tell whether the chimp theory will hold up to further scientific scrutiny.

Conspiracy theorists believe some wildly popular AIDS origin stories in the press reek of scientific disinformation. One example is the Patient Zero story. Another is the media blitz surrounding the English sailor who supposedly contracted AIDS in 1959. This now-disproven story made worldwide headlines in 1990 and obviously served to contradict the underground conspiracy theory (particularly among African-Americans) that AIDS was man-made.

The New York Times (July 24, 1990) declared:

"The case also refutes the widely publicized charges made by Soviet officials several years ago that AIDS arose from a virus that had escaped from a laboratory experiment that went awry or was a biological warfare agent. The human retrovirus group to which the AIDS virus belongs was unknown at the time. Nor did scientists then have the genetic engineering techniques needed to create a virus."

Several years later, the case was discovered to be not a case of AIDS because the sailor's tissue remains were accidentally (or deliberately) contaminated with HIV.

In 1998 the media alerted the public to further evidence that AIDS started in Africa. The proof consisted of an old 1959 stored frozen blood specimen discovered to be HIV-positive. Researchers claimed the tiny amount of serum contained fragments of HIV "closely related" to a virus found in 3 chimpanzees in the African wild and in the frozen remains of a chimp named Marilyn, discovered in a freezer at Fort Detrick.

The 1959 specimen was obtained from a Bantu man living in Kinshasa, the Congo. His name and health status were not recorded. Details of the history and testing of this specimen (later heralded as the "world's oldest HIV-positive blood sample") are recorded in The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS [1999], by journalist Edward Hooper who theorizes that HIV was introduced into Africans via the polio vaccine programs in the late 1950s. Hooper claims the polio vaccine was prepared using chimp kidney cells contaminated with the ancestor virus of HIV.

When tested for HIV in the mid-1980s, the 1959 blood sample was the only specimen out of 700 stored frozen Congo bloods that tested positive for HIV. Originally collected by Arno Motulsky on a Rockefeller grant, the African sample was one of many sent to the University of Washington in Seattle and used for genetic testing and included in a report, "Population Genetic Studies," published in 1966. Around 1970, the remaining 672 frozen bloods were flown to Emory University in Atlanta for further genetic tests.

In 1985 the specimens again changed hands, this time for HIV testing by Andre Nahmias, a virologist and animal researcher associated with the Yerkes Primate Center at Emory. The Congo specimens were tested along with 500 other blood specimens taken from blacks living in sub-Saharan Africa between the years 1959 and 1982. Initially over 90% of specimens taken in 1959 tested positive for HIV by the ELISA test. However, these HIV-positive tests were later determined to be false-positive. After the examinations at Emory, the specimens were shipped to Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for HIV testing in Max Essex' lab.

Three specimens initially tested HIV-positive, but finally only the 1959 specimen from the unidentified Bantu man was confirmed HIV- positive. Around the time of these examinations, Essex's lab was unknowingly contaminated with primate viruses.

In 1986, Essex discovered a new "human" AIDS virus that later proved to be a contaminating monkey virus. The source of the primate virus traced back to a captive monkey at a primate center in nearby Southborough, Massachusetts. This primate contamination at his lab resulted in the erroneous green monkey theory, heavily popularized by Gallo and the media.

Also unpublicized is the little known fact that Gallo's lab at the National Cancer Institute was plagued with contamination by primate viruses. In 1975 he reported a new human "HL-23" virus that eventually proved to be three contaminating ape primate viruses (gibbon-ape virus, simian sarcoma virus, and baboon endogenous virus). Gallo claims he has no idea how these viruses contaminated his research.

In 1996 Hooper convinced Nahmias to turn over the remaining 1959 specimen to David Ho of Rockefeller University in Manhattan for PCR testing. In 1996 Ho was named Time magazine's "Man of the Year", at a time when few people had ever heard of him. Ho is also the director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center, affiliated with Rockefeller University since 1996. The Diamond Center is also now connected with the New York Blood Center, home of the gay vaccine experiments that gave birth to AIDS.

Ho determined the tiny amount of the remaining specimen did not contain live virus, nor was the complete virion of the virus present. Instead, some fragments of the virus (about 15% of the total genome) were tested and presented to the scientific world as the oldest specimen of HIV in the world. Ho's PCR results cannot be confirmed by independent investigators because the 1959 specimen is now totally used up.

When published in the journal Nature on February 5, 1998 ("An African HIV-1 sequence from 1959 and implications for the origin of the epidemic"), Hooper's name appeared on the report, along with Ho, Bette Korber, Nahmias, and others, The report was heavily publicized as proof that HIV existed in the African population in 1959.

Although there are no HIV-positive tissue specimens from Africa from the 1960s and 1970s, and no proven cases of AIDS either, Hooper relies heavily on this 1959 test to support his theory that HIV entered the African population via the polio vaccines programs in the late 1950s.

In The River Hooper quickly dismisses the claims of physician Robert Strecker, the first whistle-blower of man-made AIDS, as well as the research in Horowitz's Emerging Viruses, and in my own books, AIDS & The Doctors of Death, and Queer Blood.

In condemning AIDS biowarfare research, Hooper declares, "Sadly, supporters of the Streckers have continued to peddle their ill-informed and outdated versions of the myth, blaming variously the Soviets, the CIA, the Germans, and the World Health Organization (WHO) well into the nineties." He dismisses the hepatitis B vaccine connection to AIDS by noting that only two of the 826 gay vaccinees had developed AIDS by 1983.

Hooper ignores the fact that by 1981 over 20% of the men in the trials were HIV-positive and that by 1982, over 30% of the men were HIV-positive. He dismisses the World Health Organization's African smallpox vaccine connection by saying, "there is no reason for either HIV or SIV [simian immunodeficiency virus] to be accidentally present in the vaccine." Hooper fails to consider the possibility that the vaccines could have been deliberately contaminated with HIV. Hooper has been a United Nations official, but no details of this are included in his book .

Despite his massive research, Hooper seems naïve about the continuing transfer of viruses between various primate species at primate centers. For example, in 1995 he interviewed Preston Marx at LEMSIP. At that time Marx was a representative of David Ho's organization, the Aaron Diamond Research Center.

Hooper writes:

"I was shocked by the cavalier way in which tissues and sera from one species had been introduced into other species, long after the risks of cross-species transfer had been highlighted by the SV40 [polio vaccine] debacle, and I was astonished that survivors from troops that had been stricken by mystery illnesses could have been casually sold to other centers, for use in experiments there. Furthermore, this apparent lack of monitoring and central control seemed to be echoed in other fields, like xenotransplantation (the transplanting of organ or cells from one species to another) - and here, of course, the implications were even more frightening."

By predating his polio vaccine theory back to the late 1950s, Hooper greatly simplified his theory of AIDS origin. He ignored all those animal viruses that were placed into human tissue in the 60s and 70s, and all those dangerous viral creations that were genetically altered for cancer research, vaccine research, and secret biological warfare.

The chimp in the freezer at Fort Detrick

On February 1, 1999 Lawrence K Altman, longtime physician-writer for The New York Times, dutifully reported "the riddle of the origin of the AIDS virus has apparently been solved." A team of researchers, headed by Beatrice Hahn at the University of Alabama, performed viral studies on three chimps in the African wild and had also studied the frozen remains of a chimp, discovered by accident in a freezer at Fort Detrick. The chimp had tested positive for HIV in 1985. On the basis of all this research, Hahn declared that a common subspecies of chimp (Pan troglodytes troglodytes) was the animal source of the virus "most closely " related to HIV.

In a media blitz U.S. government scientists presented a phylogenetic ancestral "family tree" of primate viruses (which few people could understand) to prove that HIV was genetically descended from a chimp virus in the African bush. Molecular analysis of virus genetic data, performed by Bette Korber and the supercomputer Nirvana at the Los Alamos National Labor atory in New Mexico, indicated that HIV had jumped species from a chimp to a human in Africa around the year 1930. (Los Alamos is the official home of nuclear bomb-building, alleged Chinese spies, and the laboratory which directed secret human radiation experiments on unsuspecting civilians from the 1940s up to the beginning of the AIDS epidemic.)

Beatrice Hahn theorized that the epidemic started when a hunter cut himself while butchering chimp meat and subsequently became infected. Scientists readily accepted Hahn's notion that the AIDS virus and its closest relatives jumped species from chimps to humans on multiple occasions, thereby explaining the origin of the three separate subtypes of HIV-1 (M, N, and O), as well as HIV-2.

Chimps in West Africa are hunted for food, as well as for medical experimentation. Young chimps are especially prized for scientific research and are usually caught by shooting their mothers. Many die from stress and inhumane conditions during capture and transport to laboratories and zoos in Western nations.

Due to all this killing, chimps are now an endangered species. During the past century the African chimp population has dropped from two million to less than 150,000. Despite the mass killing of chimps, they are still blamed for causing the worldwide epidemic of AIDS.

Beatrice Hahn is no stranger to primate theories, having worked in Gallo's lab when he was heavily promoting the green monkey theory in the mid-1980s and the "close relationship" of the monkey virus to HIV. Now Hahn's virus was claimed to be a closer relative than the contaminating monkey virus in Essex' lab that formed the basis of the false green monkey theory.

Media journalists paid no attention to these discrepancies. Hahn's new chimp findings, along with the old 1959 blood specimen, fully convinced the AIDS establishment, and an adoring media, that Africa was indeed the source of HIV and the AIDS epidemic.

The 2000 London Origin of AIDS Conference

When Hooper's book appeared in the fall of 1998, molecular scientists quickly used the new chimp virus data to completely discredit Hooper's polio vaccine theory. AIDS in Africa could not be caused by a virus jumping species in the 50s if it had already jumped species back in the 1930s. Researchers refused to believe scientists could have played any role in the origin of HIV and AIDS.

Hooper bypassed the biowarfare theory by predating HIV back to the 50s. Now scientists bypassed Hooper by dating HIV back several decades earlier. The fact that there was no African epidemic until the early 1980s did not seem pertinent. To make their view official, a small group of scientists proposed an "invitation only" meeting to settle the origin matter once and for all.

In October 2000 the Royal Society of London held a two-day conference on the origins of HIV. Obviously, the biowarfare theory of AIDS was not discussed. On the contrary, one professor emphatically declared "all human infectious diseases have an animal origin." Although there never was a disease like AIDS (until scientists started to flagrantly pass viruses around to repeatedly break the species barrier ), the same professor declared that "natural transfer of these infections is a common event in animal populations."

Using the viral fragments from the 1959 specimen and comparing them with the select viruses contained in the data bank at Los Alamos , Betty Korber refined her computer calculations to establish a likely date of 1940, "with confidence levels extending from 1871 to 1955." The Rega Institute in Antwerp estimated the transfer could have occurred between 1590 and 1760, with 1675 the most likely date.

Hooper spoke but his views were largely ignored by the molecular biologists. Preston Marx warned about more human diseases caused by viruses emerging from primates, None of the speakers mentioned what happened to the thousands of liters of animal viruses that were passed around the world by the Special Virus Cancer Program in the decade before AIDS.

Instead, the London conferees alerted the public to a new view of medical science, championed by the virologists. The "Last Word" at the conference was that "all human viral infections were initially zoonotic (animal) in origin. Animals will always provide a reservoir for viruses that could threaten human populations in the future." And the scientists predicted: "There is still a myriad of current unknown viruses in animal populations on land, sea, and air with the potential to cause human disease." Apparently, none of these viruses were in animal laboratories.

AIDS, cancer, genetic science and covert human medical experimentation

Although rejected completely by most scientists, the man-made theory of AIDS is a rational explanation for the origin of HIV. This theory is partly based on an awareness of the gene-polluting activities and species jumping virus experiments of irresponsible scientists during the two decades before the epidemic.

In addition, the record clearly shows that scientists and biowarfare scientists experiment secretly on unsuspecting people. Horrific aspects of the Cold War Human Radiation Experiments attest to the fact that covert medical experimentation is not an "X-Files" fantasy or a totally paranoid belief.

It is easy to understand why researchers might want to obscure the man-made origin for AIDS and blame primates. It is now apparent that most of the major researchers promoting the African primate origin of AIDS were connected with the largely secret Special Virus Cancer Program, or are scientists involved in the transfer of viruses in animal research, particularly primate research.

From the very beginning of the epidemic, researchers disclaimed any connection between AIDS and cancer, as well as any connection between HIV and animal retrovirus cancer research. In 1984, Gallo originally named HIV a cancer-causing "leukemia/lymphoma" virus. To obscure the cancer connection, the name was immediately changed to "lymphotropic" virus.

My own Kaposi's sarcoma research, first published in medical journals in 1981, showed "cancer-associated bacteria" as possible infectious agents in "classic" KS tumors. Before HIV was discovered in 1984, additional papers in 1982 and 1983 showed similar cancer bacteria in the enlarged lymph nodes and KS tumors of gay men with "gay cancer" and AIDS. Since the 1950s, cancer-associated bacteria have been linked to viruses, as well as to mycoplasmas. This aspect of cancer research has been suppressed for decades by the cancer establishment. A history of this research and its relevancy to AIDS is the subject of my books, AIDS: The Mystery and the Solution [1984] and The Cancer Microbe: The Hidden Killer in Cancer, AIDS and Other Immune Diseases [1990].

Gallo, in his 1991 book, falsely claims that no infectious agent had ever been found in KS. The refusal of AIDS scientists to recognize cancer microbe research, published in peer reviewed scientific journals, is a further indication that the AIDS establishment seeks to control all aspects of HIV research in such a way as to never connect the origin of AIDS with previous cancer research and covert biological warfare research. This cover-up conceals the possibility that AIDS, in reality, is a new man-made form of infectious and contagious cancer.

Could a small coterie of government scientists concoct a bogus (but scientifically plausible) primate theory of AIDS origin and bamboozle the public to believe it in order to cover-up the truth?

In the 1930s the highly respected German scientific community was entirely transformed by fascist beliefs proclaiming the genetic inferiority of the Jews and the genetic superiority of the German Master Race. This Nazi takeover of science and the media eventually led to the murder of millions in the Holocaust. Could the genetic science surrounding the origin of AIDS obscure a genocidal and world depopulation program of man-made origin? It is time for the man-made theory of HIV to be examined fairly.

Proponents of this theory should not be dismissed as paranoid conspiracy theorists; and AIDS educators should educate themselves about this hidden history of AIDS and its implications for the origin of HIV.

How many more species jumping viruses will we have to endure before we question the integrity and the agenda of scientists who still blissfully jump viruses between species in animal laboratories?

Lawrence K. Altman, the Times reporter who in 1999 wrote that the origin of the AIDS virus was solved, recently asked "Where did AIDS come from?" Now seemingly undecided, Altman answers, "We can only guess. Determining the answer would be important because discovering how AIDS came to be an epidemic might prevent a similar catastrophe in the future." ("The AIDS questions that linger," January 30, 2001).

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how researchers could have created HIV and how they could have transferred the virus to gay and blacks in a covert medical experimentation for genocidal or population control purposes.

The secrecy and scientific disinformation surrounding the Human Radiation Experiments of the Cold War era has taught us how easily government scientists can fool the public on scientific matters. And when it comes to scientific monkey business, researchers know that most people are chumps.
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« Reply #252 on: February 19, 2009, 10:46:30 PM »

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/170506_b_HIV.htm

Alex posted the documentary AIDS Fact or Fraud back in 2006.  I really want to get on the show and ask Alex what he thinks about the film.  I found it very interesting.  I think it is actually a good film.  Duesberg comes across as a decent guy. 

Crash Are You Ready which is a show on GCN in 2008 had Deusberg on but he had barely any time to speak after the lashing he kept getting from Dr Len Horowitz.  I really want to know more about this film.  It seems that AZT the DNA chain breaker and many other factors cause AIDS.  HIV seems to be just a dormant virus. 

The video was removed since 2006 but to see the film in full here is the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8142733917997460212

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« Reply #253 on: February 19, 2009, 10:49:25 PM »

Duesberg was involved in the special virus cancer program, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that he denies that HIV even causes AIDS. It's like a person who produces thermite claiming after 9/11  that Thermite can't be used to bring down buildings.
By the way, take a look at what your own upright and upstanding scientist has to say to people who claim HIV has never been isolated:


Is it possible that Deusberg is actually a decent guy who woke up?
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« Reply #254 on: February 19, 2009, 11:21:15 PM »

Is it possible that Deusberg is actually a decent guy who woke up?

Thanks for waking me up to this thread again. This thread was abruptly disrupted by the Great Banning of January 2009.

That's my feeling about Duesberg. I think he knows the truth about retro-viruses because I think he came up with the idea in the first place and therefore knows they don't actually exist. One of the posters above suggested HIV can only be detected by an anti-body test but its DNA can be replicated with ease...WTF? If you're so smart where's the F'n vaccine?
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« Reply #255 on: February 20, 2009, 09:13:22 PM »

I wonder if Alex Jones has ever interviewed Peter Deusberg?
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Is it possible that Deusberg is actually a decent guy who woke up?
He could be a decent guy yes. If he wasn't telling people to commit basic suicide by allowing the HIV virus to rampage through their body. All the HIV positive people who go for the mumbo-jumbo cures (or worse yet, just do nothing and pretend they're not sick) end up dying, the vast majority of them due to causes proven to be related to AIDS. Tell me, how many 52 year olds die due to pneumonia? While their 3 year old kids have died from Pneumocystis pneumonia as well? Not all too many. If you look at people who "don't have HIV" that is.
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http://www.whale.to/b/cantwell9.html#Forcing_cancer_viruses_into_primates_and_other_animals_

 The epidemic of HIV/AIDS and the epidemic of "gay cancer"

Kaposi's sarcoma (KS) is widely known as the "gay cancer" that often accompanied AIDS when the first cases broke out in gay men in Manhattan in 1979. In 1994 a new "human herpes-8" virus was discovered that is now widely accepted as the cause of all forms of KS. However, it is extremely important to note that the new KS herpes virus (KSHV) is separate and distinct from the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the virus that causes AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Therefore, it is now important to recognize that two new viruses were "introduced" into gays that produced not only the epidemic of HIV/AIDS, but also the new epidemic of KS ("gay cancer").

Two new viral epidemics erupting exclusively in homosexuals is an unprecedented event in medical science. Such a bizarre and unlikely scenario strongly suggests to me that that the two epidemics of HIV and KS are more likely to have occurred due to the deliberate or accidental "introduction" of new viruses into gay men"-and not from two viruses suddenly appearing "out of Africa."

The widely-held theory is that HIV originated in African primates in the African bush. Somehow the monkey or chimpanzee virus "jumped species" into black Africans to initiate the epidemic which has now killed 20 million people and infected 40 million more. How this sexually-transmitted virus came from black Africa to initially infect only young white gay men in Manhattan has never been explained satisfactorily. Furthermore, the epidemic in America erupted in the late 1970s, at a time when AIDS in Africa was unknown. The AIDS epidemic in Africa appeared in the autumn of 1982, at the earliest.

The man-made origin of HIV/AIDS

The man-made theory of AIDS is generally dismissed as "conspiracy theory." Nevertheless, AIDS researchers and writers like myself, Dr. Leonard G Horowitz, Dr. Robert Strecker, Professor Robert Lee, and others have proposed for two decades that HIV was seeded into gay men when they volunteered for the experimental hepatitis B vaccine experiment which took place in Manhattan, beginning in November 1978. Additional similar hepatitis B experiments using gay men as guinea pigs continued in other American cities until 1981 -the year the AIDS epidemic became official. Some of the cities included Los Angeles and San Francisco which, along with New York City, became the three big epicenters of the epidemic.

My two books on the man-made origin of this disease: AIDS and the Doctors of Death [1988] , and Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot [1993], provide documented evidence to support this theory. A Google internet search using the key words -man-made origin of AIDS-has 246,000 citations to various websites that explore this issue in detail. Despite all this, the man-made theory remains totally ignored by the scientific establishment and the major media.

The origin of the new Kaposi's Sarcoma virus

Like HIV, the new KS herpes virus-8 discovered in 1994 is considered to be yet another primate virus out of Africa with a suspected primate "viral ancestor" hiding in the African jungle. We are expected to believe that two primate viruses (a retrovirus and a herpes virus) jumped species in Africa at the same time -and ended up exclusively in the blood of white gay American men to produce a new immunodeficiency disease in 1979, now called AIDS. This proposed scenario suggests to me that such an unlikely African event has the markings of a scientific fairy tale, and I remain stupefied that such nonsense can pass for "science" in the twenty-first century.

The origin of Kaposi's Sarcoma

KS has a long history dating back to 1872 in Vienna, Austria, when dermatologist Moriz Kaposi described five patients with red-purple skin tumors. Before the AIDS outbreak, KS was a very rare disease affecting mainly elderly Jewish and Italian men. It was never considered a contagious or sexually-transmitted disease.

In the 1960s, it was discovered that KS was a common skin cancer tumor in blacks in Central Africa, but the disease was never associated with the severe immunodeficiency characteristic of AIDS, nor was there any evidence that KS in Africa was sexually transmissible. KS was rarely, if ever, seen in African-Americans. As a dermatologist for over 30 years I never saw a KS case in a female; and KS in young men of any race or sexual persuasion was as rare as hen's teeth before the "introduction" of HIV.

KS is a medical enigma. How did a previously rare disease like KS in America become a transmissible disease primarily affecting gay men? How did this herpes KS virus escape detection during the first 15 years of the AIDS epidemic? Why did the KS virus and HIV suddenly appear together in young gay men in 1979?

Further complicating this picture is the discovery of small bacterial forms known as "mycoplasma", and the even more recent discovery of extremely tiny virus-like forms of bacteria called "nanobacteria", as well as my published reports of "cancer bacteria" as important etiologic agents in AIDS and KS. (For details, Google: "alan cantwell" + cancer bacteria.) All these newer bacterial agents are generally ignored by AIDS researchers, who focus exclusively on viruses.

I believe some of the answers to questions surrounding the origin of HIV/AIDS can be found in the annual "Progress Reports" reports of the Virus Cancer Program and the Program's relationship to animal cancer research, genetic engineering of viruses, cancer vaccine research, and to covert biological warfare research. These hard-to-find annual Reports were published by the National Institutes of Health, Public Health Service, U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, Bethesda, Maryland.

The Virus Cancer Program (1968-1980)

The Virus Cancer Program had it roots in 1964 when Congress provided funds to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for intensive research into the possible role of viruses in leukemia. In 1968 the Program, then titled the Special Virus-Cancer Program, was enlarged to encompass all types of cancer. On July 1, 1973 the Special Virus Cancer Program was renamed The Virus-Cancer Program (VCP) "to integrate the Program's research activities into the framework of the new National Cancer Plan."

The Program combined the talents of many of the nation's finest virologists, biochemists, immunologists, molecular biologists, epidemiologists, and physicians, in an attempt to uncover the viral cause of cancer. Two classes of cancer-causing viruses were studied extensively: the RNA-type tumor "retroviruses" (like HIV) and the DNA herpes-type viruses (like the KS virus).

The main goals were to collect various forms of cancer tissue and test them in animals; to identify animal and human cancer-causing viruses; to grow large amounts of "candidate human viruses" for testing purposes; and to develop vaccines against these cancer viruses. In essence, the scientists wanted to learn how to use viruses to make cancer - and to force "normal" cells to become cancerous by subjecting to viruses.
I have studied the annual Virus Cancer Reports (VCP) covering the years 1971-1974 and 1976-1978. Each report is 300-400 pages, and the cumulative volumes refer to thousands of animal cancer virus and genetic engineering experiments.

Biological warfare research, monkey research, and the VCP

The annual VCP Reports must be studied with an awareness that the Program became wedded to secret military biological warfare research in the early 1970s.

On October 18, 1971, as part of Richard Nixon's War on Cancer, the army's biowarfare research laboratory at Fort Detrick, Maryland, was permanently joined with the National Cancer Institute; and was re-titled . the Frederick Cancer Research Center. Litton Bionetics was named as the military's prime contractor.

The primary task of the new Center was "the large scale production of oncogenic (cancer-causing) viruses and suspected oncogenic viruses to meet research needs on a continuing basis." Special attention was given to primate viruses (the alleged African source of HIV and the new KS virus)- and to the successful propagation of significant amounts of "human candidate viruses." Candidate viruses were defined as animal or human viruses that might cause human cancers. Later, the objective was to determine if such viruses could induce (either alone or with other co-carcinogens) human cancers (1977;58). Biowarfare scientists also had a keen interest in the role of human and non-human primate viruses as "helper viruses" in the production of cancer (1978;54).

A steady supply of research animals (monkeys, chimpanzees, mice, cats, etc. ) was necessary; and multiple breeding colonies were established for the VCP. For example, a total of 2,274 primates from Africa and Asia were shipped to Litton for military use in 1971.

Forcing cancer viruses into primates and other animals

To induce primates and other research animals to acquire cancer, their immune system was deliberately suppressed by drugs, radiation, or cancer-causing chemicals or substances. The thymus gland and/or the spleen were removed, and cancer tissue and cancer viruses were injected into newborn animals or into the womb of pregnant animals. Some animals were deliberately infected with malaria to keep them chronically sick and immunodepressed.

The U.S. is the world's leading consumer of primates, and 55,000 are used yearly in medical research. Primates (especially newborn and baby chimpanzees) are the most favored lab animals because they are most similar biochemically and immunologically to human beings. Humans share 98.4% of their DNA with chimpanzees. Chimps were extensively used by the VCP because there would be no official testing of cancer viruses on humans.

Robert Gallo, the discoverer of HIV in 1984, was a project officer of a primate study contracted by Litton Bionetics that pumped cancerous human tissue, as well as a variety of primate and other viruses, into newborn macaques (a small species of monkey used as an animal model for human cancer).

The actual number and identity of all the primate viruses created and adapted to human tissue during the 14 years of the SVCP is not known. In addition, some primates were released back into the wild carrying lab viruses with them. This fact is always ignored by molecular biologists searching for "viral ancestors" in the African bush,

By the early 1970s, experimenters had transferred cancer-causing viruses into several species of monkeys. Herpesvirus saimiri, a monkey virus discovered in 1967 in the squirrel monkey, has a close genetic relationship to the new KS herpes virus. H. saimiri virus is harmless in the squirrel monkey, but when the virus was forced in the lab to "jump species" into different animal species, such as the owl monkey, marmosets and rabbits, it produces cancer in the form of fatal malignant lymphoma.

By 1971 Dharam V Ablashi of the NCI succeeded in transferring H. saimiri, into various cell lines of human origin. (1971;35). Cancer-causing cat and hamster viruses were also engineered into macaques and other monkey species.

By the early 1970s, it was recognized that forms of human leukemia and lymphoma were associated with herpes-type viruses. Herpes saimiri, a DNA-type virus, became the experimental model for the study of human leukemia and lymphoma. "Thus far, the only DNA viruses associated with natural cancer of animals and man are herpes viruses" (1973;15).

Luis Melendez of Harvard studied additional primate herpes viruses (H. ateles, H. aotus, and H. saguinus) and determined their ability to induce cancer (1973;247). Attempts were made "to find a suitable method for the large-scale production of high-titer Herpesvirus saimiri" (1973;264). Researchers knew: "The clinical and immunological picture of human lymphoma and leukemia is closely approximated by the malignant disease induced in susceptible non-human primates by H. saimiri." (1973;265).

By 1976 it was also learned that H.saimiri could spread by "contact transmission" between squirrel and owl monkeys in the laboratory.

A monkey virus injected into humans via polio vaccines in the 1950s

There are inherent dangers in vaccine production. Many vaccines are made on living cells; and accidental contamination with bacteria, mycoplasma, viruses, and newly-recognized "nanobacteria" are constant problems during the manufacturing process. Laboratory additives (such as fetal bovine [cow] serum) may also be a source of contamination. Half the flu vaccine supply for 2004 had to be destroyed due to contamination with disease-causing bacteria.

Some researchers believe that injecting living and killed viruses into the body can result in these viruses combining with other viruses normally present in the body, resulting in the formation of new viral disease-causing "recombinants." The dangers of vaccines are downplayed to assure the public that vaccines are safe.

The possibility that cancer-causing primate viruses could have been "introduced" into gays, via the experimental hepatitis B vaccine, cannot be dismissed as paranoid fantasy. In this regard, we are told that HIV is the first primate virus to "jump species" to produce an epidemic in millions of humans. But, in truth, the AIDS epidemic is the second instance in which a monkey virus has been transferred to humans.

A cancer-causing monkey virus called "simian virus 40" (SV40) jumped species a half century ago when virus-contaminated polio vaccines were injected into millions of people, including half the U.S. population of that era. (For details, see: www.sv40cancer.com) Government health officials insist there is no proof that SV40 causes human cancer. However, independent research over the past decade indicates SV40 is clearly associated with rapidly-fatal cancers of the lung (mesothelioma), bone marrow cancer (multiple myeloma), brain tumors in children, and other forms of cancer.

A Washington Times report (September 21, 2003) states, "Some of the polio vaccine given to millions of American children from 1962 until 2000 could have been contaminated with a monkey virus that shows up in some cancers, according to documents and testimony to be delivered to a House committee Wednesday." The SV40 story is detailed in the recently published, The Virus and the Vaccine: The True Story of a Cancer-Causing Monkey Virus, Contaminated Polio Vaccine, and the Millions of Americans Exposed.

The VCP and links to bio-warfare and secret human experimentation

Every annual report of the VCP makes clear that human experimentation with these newly created and genetically-engineered viruses would not be undertaken. However, the 1972 Report (p 262) also states: "Since man will not be used as an experimental recipient, it is necessary to gain proof of oncogenicity by other means."

It is well-known in science that medical doctors will not totally accept laboratory findings in animals as absolute proof. An experimental finding in animals must also be proven in humans. It cannot be assumed that covert human testing of suspected cancer-causing viruses did not take place in the thousands of experiments conducted under the auspices of the VCP, particularly with its strong ties to covert biowarfare research. The U.S. military has a long history of secret human experimentation. For proof, Google: secret human medical experimentation.

Merck and Co, Inc. made most of the experimental hepatitis B vaccine that was immediately followed by AIDS cases. Some of the experimental vaccine was manufactured at the NIH. George Merck, who founded the drug company, was the leading biowarfare advisor to President Roosevelt during WW2. He was a central figure in creating the army's biowarfare laboratory at Ft. Detrick, Maryland, which later became an integral part of the NCI.

Merck's role in the VCP was "to conduct investigations designed to develop vaccines or other agents effective for the prophylaxis and therapy for human neoplasia (cancer) of suspected viral etiology" (1972;139). Great interest was taken in developing anti-herpes virus vaccines. Research involved a new type of herpes vaccine using "purified viral protein vaccines" and a "subunit vaccine" utilizing only a piece of the herpes virus (1977;135).

The Merck company declared: "Since live attenuated or killed virus vaccines for potentially oncogenic viruses would not be acceptable for human use due to the danger of transfer of functional genetic material, this project was initiated to determine whether vaccines to purified viral antigens acceptable for use in humans were of practical value." (1977;160) (This proposed "purified" herpes vaccine was similar in type to the experimental "purified" hepatitis B vaccine injected into gays the following year.)

It is my contention that the introduction of HIV and the KS virus into gay people, the most hated minority in America, was not an accident of nature due to monkeys in the jungle.
Would scientists deliberately infect gay men with AIDS to finally prove that animal cancer viruses cause cancer? In the January 1987 issue of MD magazine, an Oklahoma internist wrote: "Homosexuality is a sin, deserving the death penalty." With that kind of mentality not rare in the medical and scientific world, the answer to the question is, undoubtedly, yes.

The VCP and biohazards

The VCP was a biological disaster waiting to happen. What would happen if one or more of these dangerous cancer and immunosuppressive viruses escaped from the laboratory and produced a worldwide biologic holocaust?

The 1978 report from the Office of Biohazard Safety of the VCP states: "The inadequate care and handling of animals during the past several years have created a potential for the occurrence of infection of humans with simian (primate) microorganisms and cross infection between species. Such interspecies disease transmission may seriously compromise the integrity of the experiment as well as the health of the experimenter. Due to the magnitude of biomedical research employing tissue cultures. Frequent evaluation of tissue culture cross-contamination is very important."

The yearly large-scale production of lethal cancer viruses

By the late 1970s the mixing of animal cancer viruses with human cells to produce new "xenotropic" viruses was commonplace. The human cells in question were placenta ("afterbirth") cells from patients with immune disease, and cells from leukemia (1978, p 192). Xenotropic viruses are viruses taken from one species and transplanted into another different species. All these experiments represent "species jumping" performed in a laboratory.

By 1977 the Program was producing "approximately 60,000 liters (15,840 gallons) of tissue culture-grown viruses, propagated in over 40 different cell lines, and distributed in over 1250 shipments to over 250 participating laboratories throughout the world."

Also in 1977 Electro-Nucleonics Laboratories processed 8,044 liters (2,024 gallons) of virus-containing fluids harvested from several tissue culture systems. About half this volume was concentrated xenotropic viruses. That same year Pfizer drug company produced 28,000 liters
(7,392 gallons) of virus harvest fluids. The vast majority included primate viruses, such as the Mason-Pfizer monkey virus, woolly monkey sarcoma virus and baboon endogenous virus. (This baboon virus contaminated Gallo's lab at the NCI). Litton produced 37,438 liters (9,984 gallons) of retrovirus material consisting essentially of four agents: mouse mammary tumor virus, Raucher murine (rat) leukemia virus, Gross murine leukemia virus and baboon leukemia virus.

The VCP made clear that: "Attempts are being made to chronically infect cell cultures of human epithelial and fibroblast cells and similar cell cultures from non-human primates (marmosets) with simian sarcoma virus, gibbon ape leukemia virus and baboon endogenous virus" (1977;183). A few years later primates in the African bush would be blamed for starting AIDS and the KS epidemics.

The VCP and the creation of an AIDS-like disease in chimps

In 1969 the military biowarfare experts predicted that a biological agent would be developed within a decade that would have a devastating effect on the immune system and for which there would be no treatment. (For details of this congressional testimony, Google: Donald M MacArthur + biowarfare.)

The VCP had a keen interest in acquiring "information and materials from carefully selected patients suffering from immunodeficiency diseases" (1972;318). This is made clear in a 1973 Progress Report (p249) from the University of Minnesota entitled, "The search for tumor virus related information in human immunodeficiency patients with cancer" The researchers proposed "continuation of studies linking immunodeficency, cancer, and oncogenic viruses."

As biowarfare expert MacArthur predicted, new cancer-causing monster viruses (like HIV) were created by the VCP which had a deadly effect on the immune system. In one experiment recorded in the 1973 Report (p169), later published in Cancer Research in 1974, newborn chimps were taken away from their mothers at birth and weaned on milk from cancer virus-infected cows. Some of the chimps sickened and died with two diseases that had never been observed in chimpanzees. The first was Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (later known as the "gay pneumonia" of AIDS); the second was leukemia, a cancer of the blood.

Cancer-Causing viruses and "helper" viruses

As the 1970s began it was clear that some cancer-causing viruses could not produce cancer unless a "helper" virus was present. Certain chicken, cat and mouse sarcoma viruses were found to be "defective" and unable to induce cancerous changes. However, when a "helper" leukemia virus was added to the mix, the sarcoma virus was able to induce cancer.

Mixing of a mouse sarcoma virus with a cat leukemia virus produced a "hybrid virus" which could grow continuously in cat cells. Such a "hybrid virus" was adapted to human embryonic (fetal) cells (1971, p22). Thus, it is obvious that "species jumping" experiments were commonplace during the years of the VCP.

By the late 1970s it was known that "type C RNA viruses" (the retroviruses connected with sarcomas and lymphomas and leukemias) existed normally in cells as "endogenous viruses" within the cellular genomes of many mammalian species. By 1977, the year the experimental hepatitis B vaccine was being made, scientists in the VCP aimed "to determine the oncogenic potential of putative human viruses" and "to begin viral vaccine (conventional or other) testing and immunization programs" (1977;32). The exact methods by which this was to be accomplished was not stated.

Primate virus contamination of human cells

The possibility that animal cancer viruses could cause contamination of viral laboratories and viral research was an accepted risk for the VCP. Primate virus contamination problems have plagued the laboratories of the world's most famous AIDS researchers, much to their embarrassment.

A decade before Gallo discovered HIV, he reported a "new" and "human" and cancer-associated "HL-23 virus" that was eventually determined to be not one but three contaminating primate viruses (gibbon-ape virus, simian sarcoma virus, and baboon endogenous virus).

The baboon virus was discovered in the early 1970s at the Southwest Foundation for Research and Education in San Antonio, Texas, which hosted a chimpanzee breeding colony and produced simian viruses for research. The baboon virus somehow made its way into the blood cells of a Texas women with leukemia. When the infected cells reached Gallo's lab they were apparently joined with an additional monkey virus and an ape virus. How these three viruses contaminated Gallo's lab is unknown. However, George Todaro, an equally famous virologist, was quoted as saying, "You can get three viruses into a virus preparation easily just by being sloppy, and Gallo had plenty of sloppy people." (See John Crewdson's Science Fictions: A Scientific Mystery, A Massive Cover-Up, and the Dark Legacy of Robert Gallo, p20).

As late as 1986 Max Essex of Harvard "discovered" a new human AIDS retrovirus that he found in the blood of healthy Africans. Eventually this virus also proved to be a monkey virus that originated in a nearby primate colony. Somehow the animal virus had worked its way into Essex's lab and blood samples.

Interestingly, both Gallo and Essex, the two foremost American AIDS researchers, were the leading proponents of the African green monkey theory of AIDS. Now the more widely accepted theory, proposed by Beatrice Hahn (who worked in Gallo's lab when he proposed the green monkey theory), claims the virus traces back to chimpanzees in the African wild. Hahn has never commented on the primate contamination problems in Gallo's lab.

Could the primate "ancestors" of the RNA-type HIV retrovirus and the DNA-type herpes saimiri-like KS herpes virus have accidentally -or deliberately-worked their way into the experimental hepatitis B vaccine? The extremely high incidence of both these "new" viruses in the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis experiments certainly provide enough additional circumstantial evidence to make the man-made theory of AIDS as plausible as the monkey out of Africa theory.

The gay hepatitis B experiments (1978-1981)

The experimental hepatitis B vaccine injected into gays was unlike any other vaccine previously made. It was developed in chimpanzees and manufactured in a year-long process of sterilization and purification of the pooled blood of 30 gay men who were hepatitis B virus carriers. During the first gay experiment (November 1978-October 1979) at the New York Blood Center, there was great concern that the vaccine might be contaminated. According to June Goodfield's Quest for the Killers, p 86, "This was no theoretical fear, contamination having been suspected in one batch made by the National Institutes of Health, though never in Merck's." The men were given three inoculations of the vaccine over a period of time. The vaccine was successful with 96% of the men developing protective antibodies against the hepatitis B virus.

It has been assumed by some that these men were immunosuppressed due to their promiscuity and history of venereal disease. Although the young men in the study were indeed "promiscuous" (this was a requirement for entrance into the study), they were in excellent health. Despite many previous sexual partners, these volunteers had never contracted evidence of hepatitis B infection. Furthermore, immunosuppressed people often do not respond to the vaccine.

The men in the Manhattan experiment had the highest rate of HIV ever recorded for that time period (over 20% of the men were HIV-positive in 1981, and over 40% in 1984). Therefore, it must be assumed that many, if not most, of these men eventually died of AIDS. The actual number of AIDS deaths among the men in the experiment has never been revealed, nor have their medical records been studied. Attempts to secure this information have been rebuffed due to the "confidential" nature of the experiment.

The end of the VCP and the birth of AIDS

By 1980 the VCP came to an inglorious end with the inability to prove that viruses were involved in human cancer. More than any other program it built up the field of animal retrovirology, which led to a more complete understanding of how cancer and immunosuppressive retroviruses caused disease in humans. The VCP was the birthplace of genetic engineering, molecular biology, and the human genome project. I am convinced the VCP (and not Africa) is the birthplace of HIV/AIDS as well.

As the VCP was winding down in the late 1970s, the gay experiments began in New York City, and continued in other cities, such as San Francisco and Los Angeles. These cities would rapidly become the three primary epicenters of the new and unprecedented "gay-related immune deficiency syndrome," later known as AIDS.

The introduction of HIV and the KS herpes virus into gay men (along with some "novel" and now-patented mycoplasmas discovered at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology) miraculously revived the career of Robert Gallo and made him the most famous virologist in the world. And, of course, turned the "failure" of the VCP into a triumph.

When Gallo's blood test for HIV became available in the mid-1980s, the New York Blood Center's stored gay blood specimens were reexamined. Most astonishing is the fact that 20% of the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis B experiment in Manhattan were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980 (one year before the AIDS epidemic became "official" in 1981). This signifies that Manhattan gays in 1980 had the highest incidence of HIV anywhere in the world, including Africa, the supposed birthplace of HIV and AIDS. In addition, in 1982, in an AIDS trial in New York City one out of five gay men (20%) tested positive for the new KS herpes-8 virus when stored blood samples were re-examined by epidemiologists at the NCI in 1999.

Rarely mentioned by AIDS historians is the fact that the New York Blood Center established a chimp virus laboratory for viral vaccine research in West Africa in 1974. One of the purposes of VILAB II, in Robertsfield, Liberia, was to develop the hepatitis B vaccine in chimps. The lab also prides itself by releasing "rehabilitated" (but virus-infected) chimps back into the wild.

Also conveniently forgotten in the history of AIDS is LEMSIP (The Laboratory for Experimental Medicine and Surgery), the primate colony located outside New York City. For many years, until disbanded in 1997, LEMSIP supplied scientists with primates and primate parts (and unknown primate viruses) for transplantation and virus research. Primate parts (and primate viruses) were experimentally transplanted in human beings as early as the 1960s.

LEMSIP was also affiliated with New York University Medical Center, where the first cases of AIDS-associated Kaposi's sarcoma were discovered in 1979. Researchers at NYU were also heavily involved in the development of the experimental hepatitis B vaccine used in gays. According to Leonard Horowitz, author of Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola, NYU Medical Center received government grants and contracts connected with biological warfare research beginning in 1969.

The evidence gathered here is a tiny fraction of the circumstantial evidence supporting the man-made theory of AIDS. Scientists have a
long and proven history of covertly experimenting on people "in the name of science." Anyone who takes the time to study the reports of the VCP will recognize that human experimentation with cancer viruses was undoubtedly considered and ultimately desired. Is the fact that HIV/AIDS appeared within a decade of this dangerous cancer virus experimentation a coincidence? Should AIDS be blamed on human sexuality, gays, blacks, and monkeys? I think not.

There is nothing wrong or unpatriotic or "conspiratorial" in presenting the vast amount of evidence that connects out-of-control animal cancer experimentation and biowarfare research with the birth of AIDS. What is wrong, however, is the unwillingness of the scientific establishment and the media and the public to look at it.
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Dr. Cantwell is a retired dermatologist and has written two books on the man-made origin of AIDS; and two books on the infectious origin of cancer, all published by Aries Rising Press, PO Box 29532, Los Angeles, CA 90029 (www.ariesrisingpress.com). Email: alancantwell@sbcglobal.net. Many of his writings can be found on www.google.com by typing in "alan cantwell" + articles. His latest book is Four Women Against Cancer: Bacteria, Cancer and the Origin of Life. His books are also available on www.amazon.com and also through Book Clearing House @ 1-800-431-1579

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« Reply #258 on: February 24, 2009, 06:16:40 PM »

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527&hl=en
Dr. Boyd Graves discusses the origin of AIDS as well as the United States' patented cure, all based on official governmnet documentation. Tell everyone you know that the cure for AIDS is U.S. patent #5676977, and demand from your government officials that it begin clinical trials and widespread implementation immediately. For more information, visit www.boydgraves.com or www.tetrahedron.org.
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« Reply #259 on: February 24, 2009, 11:25:19 PM »

As you can see there are much better explanation for the constant demographics of HIV infection.
Do your own research, don't just take anything for granted from documentaries. When you're overwhelmed with information meant to push one particular viewpoint for 2 hours you'll take that as fact. It's the same reason Al Gore's movie is so popular.

Mr. Rothscum, you are cherry picking here. The documentary which you refuse to watch fits with everything I've researched about the HIV scam for more than 20 years. Boyd Graves is a new kid on the block with a conspiracy theory. Comparing the AIDS documentary with Gore's is irrelevant. Unlike the global warming hoax, our position on the HIV hoax is very unpopular and unhyped.

You mentioned in a previous post about 'HIV running rampant through the body'. That's a joke. If the non-existent virus ran rampant through the body you should be able to isolate it. If you can isolate it you can make a vaccine.

Instead, such measures as T-cell counts and unsubstantiated anti-body tests are used to 'prove' the existence of the non-virus. It's all mumbo jumbo and Mbeki was right. AIDS in Africa is just starvation (renamed 'wasting disease'), TB, pneumonia, etc, renamed as AIDS to further depopulate blacks through medical intervention involving AZT and chemical cocktails.

Like SARS, Bird-Flu, Swine Flu, cancer, diabetes and many other diseases, it's not a virus that kills, it's the medical intervention.



There is no dis-ease but your fear of disease.

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Mr. Rothscum, you are cherry picking here. The documentary which you refuse to watch fits with everything I've researched about the HIV scam for more than 20 years. Boyd Graves is a new kid on the block with a conspiracy theory. Comparing the AIDS documentary with Gore's is irrelevant. Unlike the global warming hoax, our position on the HIV hoax is very unpopular and unhyped.

You mentioned in a previous post about 'HIV running rampant through the body'. That's a joke. If the non-existent virus ran rampant through the body you should be able to isolate it. If you can isolate it you can make a vaccine.

Instead, such measures as T-cell counts and unsubstantiated anti-body tests are used to 'prove' the existence of the non-virus. It's all mumbo jumbo and Mbeki was right. AIDS in Africa is just starvation (renamed 'wasting disease'), TB, pneumonia, etc, renamed as AIDS to further depopulate blacks through medical intervention involving AZT and chemical cocktails.

Like SARS, Bird-Flu, Swine Flu, cancer, diabetes and many other diseases, it's not a virus that kills, it's the medical intervention.



There is no dis-ease but your fear of disease.



That's like saying an epileptic doesn't have seizures, they just THINK they have seizures, or are afraid of having seizures, and thus, they have seizures.

What about the "HIV is a hoax" people who came back HIV positive that DIED from rare pneumocystic pneumonia or kaposi's sarcoma?
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« Reply #261 on: February 25, 2009, 04:21:37 AM »

That's like saying an epileptic doesn't have seizures, they just THINK they have seizures, or are afraid of having seizures, and thus, they have seizures.

No, starving people actually die of starvation (or diseases of a suppressed immune system which is one effect of starvation) and sarcomas, etc. existed long before the HIV theory. My point is that epilepsy is not caused by a virus and neither is AIDS.

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« Reply #262 on: February 25, 2009, 06:02:49 AM »

If the non-existent virus ran rampant through the body you should be able to isolate it. If you can isolate it you can make a vaccine.
Non-existant eh? Even Duesberg, who started the whole disinformation campaign that's meant to worsen the situation in Africa said:
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http://www.righto.com/theories/nohiv.html
"HIV has been isolated by the most rigorous method science has to offer. An infectious DNA of 9.15 kilo bases (kb) has been cloned from the cells of HIV-antibody-positive persons, that - upon transfection - induces the synthesis of an unique retrovirus. This DNA "isolates" HIV from all cellular molecules, even from viral proteins and RNA. Having cloned infectious DNA of HIV is as much isolation of HIV as one could possibly get. The retrovirus encoded by this infectious DNA reacts with the same antibodies that cross-react with Montagnier's global HIV standard, produced by immortal cell lines in many labs and companies around the world for the HIV-test. This confirms the existence of the retrovirus HIV."
By the way, how can you put parts of a non-existant virus in corn?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2161-edible-hiv-vaccine-breakthrough.html
The reason there's no vaccine is because of it's incredibly high mutation rate. A lot of vaccines are actually worthless because viruses just end up mutating.
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« Reply #263 on: February 25, 2009, 06:49:12 AM »

Non-existant eh? Even Duesberg, who started the whole disinformation campaign that's meant to worsen the situation in Africa said:By the way, how can you put parts of a non-existant virus in corn?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2161-edible-hiv-vaccine-breakthrough.html
The reason there's no vaccine is because of it's incredibly high mutation rate. A lot of vaccines are actually worthless because viruses just end up mutating.

This is the comment I left on that pathetic 2002 article regarding the possibility of an edible HIV vaccine that you quoted from New Scientist.

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So what happened next? Such promising studies are good for attracting funding but is anything mentioned in this article credible?

Reads like a bunch of pseudoscientific hype.

Where's the edible vaccine? It wasn't even HIV being used in that experiment - but SIV. If HIV is so prevalent, virulent and clonable, why hasn't it been used instead of SIV?

Duesberg, god bless his sorry soul, unfortunately subscribes to the HIV exists but does no harm theory, because the IDEA of retroviruses is Duesbergs and HIV theory was built on his unsound scientific speculation.

Now, if you read the quote you cited where Duesberg states that HIV has been isolated by cloning, can you tell me with a straight face that that quote actually makes any sense. A thorough analysis will show the statement obfuscates and defies logic.
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This is the comment I left on that pathetic 2002 article regarding the possibility of an edible HIV vaccine that you quoted from New Scientist.

Where's the edible vaccine? It wasn't even HIV being used in that experiment - but SIV. If HIV is so prevalent, virulent and clonable, why hasn't it been used instead of SIV?
Are you saying SIV exists but HIV doesn't? Anyway, here's another example of HIV genes being used for a vaccine:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7007734.stm
Are they all using genes of non-existant viruses? If so, how? And how the hell did they come up with this map?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4642940.stm
100 images of 70 not existing viruses?
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« Reply #265 on: March 25, 2009, 05:11:57 PM »

All I'm saying is that Graves is claiming that a silver compound which has been around forever is THE SPECIFIC PATENTED CURE for AIDS, when in fact it is a very broad use compound, and he charges money on his website just to see his evidence.  Those making analogies between No Planes and HIV Deniers are only giving credence to these arguments in the same way the mainstream compares 911 truthers with holocaust deniers.  When ever I see someone being called a "denier" I immediately question the accuser.  Regardless you don't have to be a genius to understand that the entire broadcast events of the day of 911 were prescripted well well in advance including certain graphical manipulation of the video in order to achieve maximum psyop efficiency, ie TV Fakery which is not at all the same as No Planes.  [Oh no! - did he say tv fakery!? He must be cointelpro; Alex Jones knows everything so there's no way he can be misled/confused/an egomaniac/plain WRONG].  It just happens to be that the so called news is prescripted everyday by the media corporations which are owned by the military industrial complex.  Those who worship Alex Jones and his opinions are obviously incapable of self conclusion and are milestones away from advancing beyond the limited scope our simple American patriot from Texas has entrapped himself in to.  He woke me up 5 years ago, sure, but that doesn't make him right on everything and those who have trouble seeing that he's not the smartest kid on the block are themselves not the smartest around.  There are those reading this in denial that Alex Jones would be mistaken by agreeing with Graves, and those whose minds are open to other realities. 

But instead of stating my opinion I will post the culmination of my research so far and allow the reader to decide, based on 2 additional interviews, one with Graves and one with Duesberg & Graves.  Post your comments and conclusions as follows.  I personally would like to believe the government had a hand in creating a deadly bioweapon, as it makes sense be this the matrix, but I tend to aim for a middle ground, seemingly balancing between the AIDS Industrial complex theory and other opportunistic government introduced bioweapon programs, leaning towards HIV NOT causing AIDS...especially since we know the pharmaceutical industries would never release cures, only softkill treatments, and based on the AIDS advertisements here in NYC and the comparative bait and switch medical programs (vaccinations/gardasil/amalgam/chemo/[treatments that cause more disease]) I would only assume the population control methods are merely volunteer on behalf of the ignorant unsuspecting disinformed public - taking in to account the media campaigns surrounding AIDS and the multitude of forces acting each with its own agenda, and the realistic probabilistic possibilities derived there of.  For all I know none of these theories are near being correct.

I'm interested in all you readers out there and your own non sheeplish conclusions.  Infact if anyone really understands this mess, please spell it out from beginning to end, including HIV origins, does it exist, the monkeys, the vaccines, the governments, AIDS, AZT, genetic adherence, and so forth...preferably touching upon all theories and their possible middlegrounds which would make sense to all us non scientists; or point us in the direction of a well written article or some eye opening info.

http://www.mediafly.com/Podcasts/Episodes/CroweGraves_Debate_Part_1
http://www.mediafly.com/Podcasts/Episodes/CroweGraves_Debate_Part_1/DownloadMedia/Crowe-Graves1.mp3

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=272418
http://aras.ab.ca/audio/20080522-Duesberg-Horowitz.mp3

Apparently this "patriot myth" has not been brought to rest, Mr. Rothscum.
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« Reply #266 on: March 26, 2009, 11:51:12 AM »

The most important source of info on this topic is http://www.rethinkingaids.com/

Real scientists: real analysis.
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« Reply #267 on: July 09, 2009, 02:27:55 PM »

Quotes from scientists who are not part of the NWO disinformation campaign. If they were part of the NWO disinfo campaign, they would be famous, rich and in the news every day and what they are saying would be part of the mainstream thinking about AIDS. But no, they are not supporting the NWO eugenics and depopulation agenda, so they are sidelined and ignored:

    * Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry: Dr. Kary Mullis

        "If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document." (Sunday Times (London) 28 nov. 1993)

    * Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München. Robert Koch Award 1978:

        "Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology." (Letter to Süddeutsche Zeitung 2000)

    * Dr. Serge Lang, Professor of Mathematics, Yale University:

        "I do not regard the causal relationship between HIV and any disease as settled. I have seen considerable evidence that highly improper statistics concerning HIV and AIDS have been passed off as science, and that top members of the scientific establishment have carelessly, if not irresponsible, joined the media in spreading misinformation about the nature of AIDS." (Yale Scientific, Fall 1994)

    * Dr. Harry Rubin, Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of California at Berkeley: Prof. Harry Rubin

        "It is not proven that AIDS is caused by HIV infection, nor is it proven that it plays no role whatever in the syndrome." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

    * Dr. Richard Strohman, Emeritus Professor of Cell Biology at the University of California at Berkeley:

        "In the old days it was required that a scientist address the possibilities of proving his hypothesis wrong as well as right. Now there's none of that in standard HIV-AIDS program with all its billions of dollars." (Penthouse April 1994)

    * Dr. Harvey Bialy, Molecular Biologist, former editor of Bio/Technology and Nature Biotechnology: Harvey Bialy

        "HIV is an ordinary retrovirus. There is nothing about this virus that is unique. Everything that is discovered about HIV has an analogue in other retroviruses that don't cause AIDS. HIV only contains a very small piece of genetic information. There's no way it can do all these elaborate things they say it does." (Spin June 1992)

    * Dr. Roger Cunningham, Immunologist, Microbiologist and Director of the Centre for Immunology at the State University of New York at Buffalo:

        "Unfortunately, an AIDS 'establishment' seems to have formed that intends to discourage challenges to the dogma on one side and often insists on following discredited ideas on the other." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

    * Dr. Gordon Stewart, Emeritus Professor of Public Health, University of Glasgow: Prof. Gordon Stwart

        "AIDS is a behavioural disease. It is multifactorial, brought on by several simultaneous strains on the immune system - drugs, pharmaceutical and recreational, sexually transmitted diseases, multiple viral infections." (Spin June 1992)

    * Dr. Alfred Hässig, (1921-1999), former Professor of Immunology at the University of Bern, and former director Swiss Red Cross blood banks:Prof. Alfred Hassig

        "The sentence of death accompanying the medical diagnosis of AIDS should be abolished." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

    * Dr. Charles Thomas, former Professor of Biochemistry, Harvard and John Hopkins Universities:

        "The HIV-causes-AIDS dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on young men and women of the Western world." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

    * Dr. Joseph Sonnabend, New York Physician, founder of the American Foundation for AIDS Research (AmFAR):Joe Sonnabend

        "The marketing of HIV, through press releases and statements, as a killer virus causing AIDS without the need for any other factors, has so distorted research and treatment that it may have caused thousands of people to suffer and die." (Sunday times (London) 17 May 1992)

    * Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford:

        "I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all." (Continuum Oct. 2000)

    * Dr. Etienne de Harven, Emeritus Professor of Pathology, at the University of Toronto: Dr. Etienne de Harven

        "Dominated by the media, by special pressure groups and by the interests of several pharmaceutical companies, the AIDS establishment efforts to control the disease lost contact with open-minded, peer-reviewed medical science since the unproven HIV/AIDS hypothesis received 100% of the research funds while all other hypotheses were ignored." (Reappraising AIDS Nov./Dec. 1998)

    * Dr. Bernard Forscher, former editor of the U.S. Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences:

        "The HIV hypothesis ranks with the 'bad air' theory for malaria and the 'bacterial infection' theory of beriberi and pellagra [caused by nutritional deficiencies]. It is a hoax that became a scam." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Charles Thomas, Molecular Biologist and former Harvard and Johns Hopkins Professor:

            "The HIV-causes-AIDS dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on young men and women of the Western world," (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

            "AIDS has been a disease of definition. If we said that it didn't exist and didn't pay for it with taxpayers' money, it would disappear in the background of normal mortality." (Penthouse April 1994)

            "I feel that for scientists to remain silent in the face of all this doubt is tantamount to criminal negligence." (Spin June 1992)

        Dr. Roger Cunningham, Immunologist, Microbiologist and Director of the Centre for Immunology at the State University of New York at Buffalo:

            "Unfortunately, an AIDS 'establishment' seems to have formed that intends to discourage challenges to the dogma on one side and often insists on following discredited ideas on the other." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Richard Strohman, Professor Emeritus of Cell Biology at the University of California at Berkeley:

            "In the old days it was required that a scientist address the possibilities of proving his hypothesis wrong as well as right. Now there's none of that in standard HIV-AIDS program with all its billions of dollars." (Penthouse April 1994)

            "We need research into possible causes such as drug use and behaviour, not a bankrupt hypothesis." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati, Toxicologist and Pathologist, California:

            "HIV does not cause AIDS. There is no scientific evidence that HIV can kill infected T4 cells. The true problem is that the leaders of the HIV hypothesis have been ignoring important medical facts and are blindly attributing AIDS to the HIV virus. It is very sad and frustrating to know that the AIDS establishment are giving highly toxic drugs such as AZT to pregnant women even with studies that show the depression in the immune system can be reversed by nutrition. Prescribing anti-viral drugs to AIDS patients is like putting gasoline on a fire"

        Dr. Alfred Hässig, Emeritus Professor in Immunology at the University of Bern, former Director Swiss Red Cross blood banks:

            "The sentence of death accompanying the medical diagnosis of AIDS should be abolished." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

            "In the virological research, so much money is invested, and the research people want to stay in that area because if you deviate to research in other directions probably other people come in and must be funded." (Meditel 1992)

            "Virologist have nothing new to offer. They keep coming up with excuses, they find constant growth and change in the virus structure, it evades, attacks, strange things, but none of them has the courage to explain properly how these things could possibly be so." (Continuum Jan/Feb 1996)

            "AZT (anti-viral AIDS medicine) has, in countless cases, brought about the inevitable and slow asphyxiation of the patient's body cells. The doctors wrongly diagnose the fatal consequences of AZT medication as AIDS following a prior HIV infection. Treatment with AZT and allied toxic substances may be equivalent to joining a suicide squad with a time fuse."

            "It is the duty of every doctor to preserve life at any cost -- and not death-curse people based on any test so they are so frightened they kill themselves. I am sad to say that these voodoo methods were practised despite there never being any proof that the detected antibodies are an indication of mortality in all diagnosed people. I consider it medical malpractice to push patients into dying by prophesying an early death. We are medical scientists, not prophets!"

        Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology. Former Director of the Department of Viroid Research, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München. Robert Koch Award 1978.

            "The result of my intensive literature research shows that so far not one publication exists, in which is being described that HIV has been isolated, purified, and charaterized by the criteria of classical virology." (Forword Mythos AIDS 2000)

            "During the past 20 years HIV-AIDS research has shown to a line of critical scientists again and again that the existence of HIV has not been proven without doubt, and that both from a aetiological (causal), and a epidemiological view, it can not be responsible for the immunodeficiency AIDS. In view of the general accepted HIV/AIDS hypothesis this appeared to me so unbelievable that I decided to investigate it myself. After three years of intensive and, above all, critical studies of the relevant original literature, as an experienced virologist and molecular biologist I came to the following surprising conclusion: Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology." (Letter to Süddeutsche Zeitung Oct. 2000)

        Dr. Walter Gilbert, Professor in Molecular Biology, 1980 Nobel prize for chemistry:

            "I would not be surprised if there were another cause of AIDS and even that HIV is not involved." (Omni June 1993)

            "[Duesberg] is absolutely correct in saying that no one has proven that AIDS is caused by the AIDS virus. And he is absolutely correct that the virus cultured in the laboratory may not be the cause of AIDS." (Hippocrates Sept./Oct. 1988)

            "The community as a whole doesn't listen patiently to critics who adopt alternative viewpoints. Although the great lesson of history is that knowledge develops through the conflict of viewpoints." (Meditel 1990)

        Dr. Albert Sabin, Virologist:

            "I think the views of a person like Dr. Duesberg are terribly, terribly important, and we must pay attention to them." (Oakland Tribune 31 Jan. 1988)

        Dr. Rush Wayne, M.A., Molecular Biology, Harvard University, PhD, Biochemistry, University of California:

            "While first learning about the AIDS controversy, I read whatever I could on both sides. I have not found an instance, when both sides have been able to state their complete case, where the mainstream AIDS view has held up. On the contrary, much of the mainstream view seems to be based on bad research and fallacious reasoning."

        Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford:

            "I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all." (Continuum Oct. 2000)

        Michael Ellner, Medical Hypnotherapist, President of HEAL New York:

            "I have seen the constant terror, and programming to get sick and die, that people at risk for developing AIDS face. I am certain that the hypothesis that long-term drug use is primary cause of what is now called AIDS is far more likely to prove true than the failed notion that AIDS is caused by a germ." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Steven Jonas, Professor of Preventive Medicine, Suny Stony Brook, NY:

            "Evidence is rapidly accumulating that the original theory of HIV is not correct." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Lawrence Bradford, Biology Professor in Atchinson, Kansas:

            "The cause of AIDS is multifactorial. HIV is neither necessary nor sufficient." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Neville Hodgkinson, former Science Editor, The Times of London:

            "A kind of collective insanity over HIV and AIDS has gripped leaders of the scientific and medical profession. They have stopped behaving as scientists, and instead are working as propagandists, trying desperately to keep alive a failed theory."

        Dr. Beverly Griffin, Director of the Department of Virology, Royal Postgraduate Medical School, Hammersmith Hospital London:

            "It will surely lead to a scientifically healthier society if the burden of proof for HIV as a deadly pathogen is returned to where it belongs - to those who maintain that HIV causes AIDS - and others are allowed to pursue alternative approaches in the battle for eradiction of the disease." (Nature 20 April 1989)

        Dr. Etienne de Harven, Professor of Pathology, University of Toronto:

            "Dominated by the media, by pressure groups and by the interests of pharmaceutical companies, the AIDS establishment lost contact with open-minded, peer-reviewed science since the unproven HIV/AIDS hypothesis received 100% of the research funds while all other hypotheses were ignored. How many wasted efforts, how many billions of research dollars gone in smoke... Horrible."

        Dr. Hiram Caton, Ethicist, Head of the School of Applied Ethics at Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia:

            "The orthodoxy will collapse because it flunks the practical test. The AIDS epidemic was a mirage manufactured by scientists who believed that integrity could be maintained amidst the diverting influences of big money, prestige and politics." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Phillip Johnson, Senior Professor of Law, University of California at Berkeley:

            "That establishment continue to doctor statistics and misrepresent the situation to keep the public convinced that a major viral pandemic is under way when the facts are otherwise." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

            "One does not need to be a scientific specialist to recognise a botched research job and a scientific establishment that is distorting the facts to maximise its funding. That establishment continues to doctor statistics and misrepresent the situation to keep the public convinced that a major viral pandemic is underway when the facts are otherwise."

        Dr. Henk Loman, Professor of Biophysical Chemistry at the Free University in Amsterdam:

            "There are many people with AIDS but without HIV, and a great many people with HIV but without AIDS. These two facets mean that HIV = AIDS is much to simple. Plausible, alternative, testable causes of impairment of the immune system which may ultimately lead to AIDS should become part of regular AIDS research." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry:

            "If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document... The HIV theory, the way it is being applied, is unfalsifiable and therefor useless as a medical hypothesis." (Sunday Times (London) 28 nov. 1993)

        Dr. Harry Rubin, Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of California at Berkeley:

            "It is not proven that AIDS is caused by HIV infection, nor is it proven that it plays no role whatever in the syndrome." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

            "The causal role of HIV in AIDS is certainly not proven."

        Dr. Luc Montagnier, Virologist, discoverer of HIV, Institute Pasteur Paris:

            "There are too many shortcomings in the theory that HIV causes all signs of AIDS. We are seeing people HIV-infected for 9, 10, 12 years or more, and they are still in good shape, their immune system is still good. It is unlikely that these people will come down with AIDS later." (Miami Herald 23 Dec. 1990)

        Dr. Joseph Sonnabend, New York Physician:

            "The marketing of HIV, through press releases and statements, as a killer virus causing AIDS without the need for any other factors, has so distorted research and treatment that it may have caused thousands of people to suffer and die." (Sunday times (London) 17 May 1992)

        Dr. Fabio Franci, Specialist in Preventive Medicine and Infectious Diseases, Trieste, Italy:

            "I am not an agnostic; I am well convinced HIV is harmless." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Bernard Forscher, former Managing Editor of the Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences:

            "The HIV hypothesis ranks with the 'bad air' theory for malaria and the 'bacterial infection' theory of beriberi and pellagra [caused by nutritional deficiencies]. It is a hoax that became a scam." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Paul Rabinow, Professor of Anthropology, University of California at Berkeley:

            "In particular I have pursued the situation of haemophiliacs and HIV because it was the arena least charged with moralism. Systematic attempts to be allowed to look at the data or to find rigorous controlled studies have failed." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Paul Lineback, Counselling Psychologist, Eastern Oregon State College:

            "Protecting and promoting the unproven HIV hypothesis as fact is inducing unnecessary stress, probable emotional harm, and maybe even psychological murder." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

        Dr. Arthur Gottlieb, Chairperson of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the Tulane University School of Medicine:

            "The viewpoint has been so firm that HIV is the only cause and will result in disease in every patient, that anyone who challenges that is regarded as 'politically incorrect.' I don't think - as a matter of public policy - we gain by that, because it limits debate and discussion and focuses drug development on attacking the virus rather than attempting to correct the disorder of the immune system, which is central to the disease." (Penthouse April 1994)

        Dr. Casper Schmidt, M.D. New York Psychiatrist:

            "There is no way that AIDS can be an infectious disease. Something else must be going on. The more likely interpretation is that HIV and immune dysfunction - rather than HIV being a cause and immune dysfunction being a consequence - are both consequences of something else." (Penthouse April 1994)

        Dr. Gordon Stewart, Emeritus Professor of Epidemiology University of Glasgow:

            "Nobody wants to look at the facts about this disease. It's the most extraordinary thing I've ever seen. I've sent countless letters to medical journals pointing out the epidemiological discrepancies and they simply ignore them. The fact is, this whole heterosexual AIDS thing is a hoax." (Spin June 1992)

            "AIDS is a behavioural disease. It is multifactorial, brought on by several simultaneous strains on the immune system - drugs, pharmaceutical and recreational, sexually transmitted diseases, multiple viral infections." (Spin June 1992)

            "The hypothesis that HIV is the sole cause of AIDS simply does not fit the clinical and epidemiological facts"

        Dr. Harvey Bialy, Editor of the science journal Bio/Technology:

            "HIV is an ordinary retrovirus. There is nothing about this virus that is unique. Everything that is discovered about HIV has an analogue in other retroviruses that don't cause AIDS. HIV only contains a very small piece of genetic information. There's no way it can do all these elaborate things they say it does." (Spin June 1992)

            "From both my literature review and my personal experience over most of the AIDS - so called AIDS centres in Africa, I can find absolutely no believable persuasive evidence that Africa is in the midst of a new epidemic of infectious immunodeficiency." (Meditel 1992)

        Dr. Peter Duesberg, Professor of Molecular Biology University of Berkely:

            "There are no slow retroviruses, only slow retrovirologists." (Spin June 1992)

            "They have hyped up HIV into this super-rapist but in reality the damn thing can hardly get an erection." (Times of London 11 May 1992)

            "Epidemiology is like a bikini: what is revealed is interesting; what is concealed is crucial." (PNAS Feb. 1991)

            "When AIDS patients' bodies finally break down from the effects of these anti-viral drugs, they say, 'Now the virus has become resistant, and the drugs have lost their effectiveness.' What really is happening is the toxicity of the drugs builds up to a point where the patient cannot stand it anymore. And, of course, they say it was the virus -- rather than the entirely inevitable and predictable toxicity of these damned drugs."

        Dr. Roberto Giraldo, Specialist in Internal Medicine, Infectious and Tropical Diseases, New York

            "HIV tests are meaningless. A person can react positive even though he or she is not infected with HIV. The tests are interpreted differently in different countries, which means that a person who is positive in Africa (or Thailand) can be negative when tested in Australia. There is no justification for the fact that most people have not been informed about the serious inaccuracy of the tests. The error has catastrophic repercussions on thousands of people. Since people are reacting positive on tests that are not specific for HIV, let’s please stop labeling them as ‘HIV positive’"

        Nick Siano, author of No Time to Wait:

            "The things that we're feeding people emotionally about this disease are much more deadly than HIV itself. The emotional content of HIV infection is 75 percent of the battle." (Penthouse Dec. 1995)

        Dr. James Hudson, Professor of Pathology and Medicine, University of British Columbia

            "I stopped going to AIDS meetings several years ago -- I could no longer stand the stress of restraining myself from getting up and shouting, 'Rubbish!"

        Dr. Frank Buianouckas: Professor of Mathmatics, Bronx New York.

            "I am suspect about everything involved in this AIDS epidemic, because if HIV causes anything, it certainly causes fund-raisers. It sells stocks. It supports dances. It sells condoms. And it keeps the AIDS establishment going." (Penthouse Dec. 1995)

        Dr. Michael Lange: Head of AIDS Programme St. Lukes Hospital, New York:

            "What I would strongly support is a more open discussion. We do not know the pathogenesis of this disease. And we were very early forced into a very dogmatic view: namely that somehow HIV kills the T-cells." (Spin April 1991)

        Dr. Sam Mhlongo: Head of the Department of Family Medicine and Primary Health Care at the Medical University of South Africa:

            "The case for a link between HIV and AIDS is not proven. I would like the "orthodox" scientists to acknowledge that in Africa there are 29 or 30 diseases which may mimic AIDS, which are related to poverty. But they will not accept that because poverty does not make them big money but HIV makes them money. If we dissidents had only one hundredth of the funds that the orthodox view has, the orthodox view would probably be dead in less than a year."

        Dr. Donald Abrams: Prof. of Medicine, San Francisco General Hospital:

            "I have a large population of (HIV + patients) who have chosen not to take any anti-viral drugs. They've watched all of their friends go on the anti-viral bandwagon and die."

        Dr. Manu Kothari: Professor of Anatomy, Seth G.S. Medical College, Mumbai India:

            "For all we know, it is not HIV that causes AIDS, but the so-called co-factors such as indiscriminate antibiotic use, recreational drugs, poverty, malnutrition, polluted water and pesticised food. AZT and the like (so-called triple therapy) are rank cytotoxic poisons. To give AZT to pregnant women is a crime against the mother and the baby she is making."

        Dr. Ralph Moss: Author of The Cancer Industry:

            "The paradigm that was laid down for how to milk the cancer problem is basically the same paradigm which is being followed in milking the AIDS problem." (Penthouse Dec. 1995)

        Michael Callen: AIDS Activist, died in 1994, 13 years after AIDS diagnosis.

            "The HIV paradigm has produced nothing of value for my life and I actually believe that treatments based on the arrogant belief that HIV has proven to be the sole and sufficient cause of AIDS has hastened the deaths of many of my friends" (Meditel 1992)

        Dr. Stefan Lanka: Virologist, Germany.

            "No particle of HIV has ever been obtained pure, free of contaminants; nor has a complete piece of HIV RNA (or the transcribed DNA) ever been proved to exist." (Continuum Sept./Oct. 1996)

        Anthony Liversidge: Science journalist, New York

            "The editors of the Proceedings [of the U.S. National Academy of Science] enlisted a phalanx of special reviewers - 26 at last count - to criticize his [Duesberg's] three submissions. None could identify a single uncorrectable flaw in fact or logic, as the editors acknowledged, only a difference of opinion." (Omni June 1993)

        Dr. Serge Lang, Professor of Mathematics, Yale University:

            "I do not regard the causal relationship between HIV and any disease as settled. I have seen considerable evidence that highly improper statistics concerning HIV and AIDS have been passed off as science, and that top members of the scientific establishment have carelessly, if not irresponsible, joined the media in spreading misinformation about the nature of AIDS." (Yale Scientific, Fall 1994)

        Dr. Dave Rasnick, Biochemist, visiting scientist University of California at Berkeley.

            "In defending the purchased consensus, HIV researchers use statistical methodologies shown by their inventors to be invalid and conduct experiments without any controls. They take causes for effects, correlations for causations, and constants for variables. Most important, they haven’t stopped AIDS. What they have done successfully is instilled fear into human sexual relations -- an amorphous fear, which most AIDS professionals as well as journalists argue has been valuable." (Talk Napoli, Italy, April 2001)

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« Reply #269 on: July 18, 2009, 08:11:35 AM »

Just watched the fact or Fiction movie. Very informative. It does look like this move was made in 1996. Is this right? Are there any newer documentaries about this? I would think a ton of info has been discovered since then....?

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« Reply #270 on: July 19, 2009, 02:36:43 PM »

http://www.gnhealth.com/aidsinfopage.php
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AIDS Fraud Exposed: HIV Science Papers from 1984 were Falsified

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, January 5, 2009

Natural health authors like Dr. Gary Null have been talking about the AIDS fraud for decades. What's the fraud? The false believe that AIDS is caused by the HIV virus. As it turns out, the entire basis of that belief is pure scientific fraud.

The original papers upon which that now-common medical myth was based were, in fact, partly fabricated by Dr. Robert Gallo. The electron microscope photos used by Gallo to "prove" HIV causes AIDS didn't even contain viruses at all! Even so, his papers were published in 1984 in the journal Science, and from that point forward, it was accepted as "scientific fact" that HIV causes AIDS.

This was a convenient medical myth, since it placed the drug companies in the position of manufacturing and selling anti-viral medications to AIDS patients, promising them hope while, in reality, offering them nothing but a lifetime of continued immune system suppression and a cocktail of expensive, toxic pharmaceuticals.

On December 1, 2008, a group of 37 scientists sent a letter to Science, requesting that the journal retract its 1984 publication of Gallo's papers. This, of course, would cause huge upheavals throughout the conventional AIDS pill-pusher communities (Big Pharma, conventional doctors, etc.) because Gallo's papers have been quoted by literally thousands of other scientific papers published in the last 25 years. If Gallo's work is retracted, it would mean that every paper published since then might deserve additional scrutiny, too, and pretty soon the whole AIDS house of cards (and lies) comes tumbling down.

The entire (high-profit) AIDS industry, in other words, depends on the continued belief in the HIV / AIDS lie for its own survival. This is similar to the way in which the breast cancer industry depends on the mammography lie to stay in business, too. Behind every disease-based medical industry, there's a secret lie that keeps it in business.

So don't expect Science to act with much motivation on this issue. Medical journals, after all, aren't really about science: They're about promotion! And promoting AIDS drugs depends entirely on pushing the medical myth that AIDS is caused by HIV.

If there's one thing that conventional medical research can't stand, it's scrutiny. How dare we question AIDS, or vaccines or flu shots? Because every time there's any serious scientific inquiry into the subject, the fraud is readily exposed. For example, as mentioned on the website RethinkingAids.org:

In the early 1990s, several highly critical reports on the research underlying Gallo's papers were produced as a result of governmental inquiries working under the supervision of scientists nominated by the National Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Medicine. The Office of Research Integrity (ORI) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services concluded that the lead paper of the four was "fraught with false and erroneous statements" and that the “ORI believes that the careless and unacceptable keeping of research records . . . reflects irresponsible laboratory management that has permanently impaired the ability to retrace the important steps taken." Further, a Congressional Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations produced a staff report on the papers, containing scathing criticisms of their integrity.
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« Reply #271 on: July 19, 2009, 02:50:14 PM »

I have seen a video where someone from WeAreChange walks up to Henry Kissinger and asks him if he thinks that AIDS is natural or if it was engineered. He basically said, "Oh come on", and walked away.
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« Reply #272 on: August 21, 2009, 01:24:49 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCGVZ6oWoTA

This video shows a woman who nearly died of full blown AIDS and when she stopped taking the drugs like AZT a DNA chain breaker, her AIDS went away and she is perfectly normal.  This is not an exceptional case either.  There are many.  I first learned of this from Dr. Peter Deusberg who has made some documentary films you can see on Google Video if you search his name.  I really wonder what Alex thinks of this.

Deusberg has been totally abused by some people calling him crazy but more and more his theories about AIDS are turning out to be true.  He contends that AIDS is caused from drug use.  It is the effect of drugs turning the immune system against the body.  HIV is a bogus virus that is as harmless as any other virus we get everyday.  The test for testing for HIV was patented by a big drug company back in the 80's and by their own admission there is no known link between that virus and AIDS.  But as soon as someone is diagnosed with HIV they put them on a cocktail of deadly drugs like AZT which is what actually kills them.

Also African AIDS is different because they don't even test all the Africans for HIV.  They simply blanket them as having HIV and say the reason they are sick is because of that when it is actually the vaccines and poor living conditions causing them to be sick.  

More and more I look at this I am seeing that Deusberg may be right.  I really would like to call in to the show to talk about this.  Look how they use AIDS marches and propaganda to sell the public to give their money to this cause which is actually like a big eugenics operation.

What do you all think?
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« Reply #273 on: August 21, 2009, 01:30:29 AM »

Here is another video I found of the release of Maria Papagiannidou's book Goodbye AIDS!  Did it ever really exist?

She survived AIDS and has written a book about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CDRaNPqFlY&NR=1
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« Reply #274 on: August 21, 2009, 01:33:02 AM »

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8142733917997460212

Here is the original documentary I saw that woke me up to the HIV AIDS lie.

Very interesting stuff.  It makes sense to me after doing some research.
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« Reply #275 on: August 21, 2009, 01:43:38 AM »

This is disinfo

haven't we already discussed this?
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« Reply #276 on: August 21, 2009, 01:47:18 AM »

This is disinfo

haven't we already discussed this?

Sane I heard some angry people discussing this before.  No one wants to talk about this and I'm not sure why.  How is it disinfo?  How about the lady in the video I referenced.  That is a new book and video she is putting out?  It is rated with five stars on YouTube.  Usually that tells me the video is not that bad.  Why is this so hard to believe.  He is not saying AIDS doesn't exist, it does its another name for a bad immune system, but that seems to be caused by drugs with destroy the immune system. 
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« Reply #277 on: August 21, 2009, 01:51:20 AM »

Sane I heard some angry people discussing this before.  No one wants to talk about this and I'm not sure why.  How is it disinfo?  How about the lady in the video I referenced.  That is a new book and video she is putting out?  It is rated with five stars on YouTube.  Usually that tells me the video is not that bad.  Why is this so hard to believe.  He is not saying AIDS doesn't exist, it does its another name for a bad immune system, but that seems to be caused by drugs with destroy the immune system. 

here is the deal...

Polio vaccines put HIV into a million africans....

Then AIDS broke out...

Hep B vaccines put HIV into hundreds of thousands of homosexuals...

then AIDS broke out...

They are planning HPV and swine flue vaccine for over 100 million people to infect a new seed of super VIRUS.

They are spreading a rumor that HIV does not cause AIDS to get away with this new depopulation/extermination plan...

Please do not help them commit this genocide by speading this f**king bullshit on this forum.

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« Reply #278 on: August 21, 2009, 01:58:07 AM »

The Proliferating Secrecy and Governmental Deceptions Surrounding Swine Flu Vaccines and Medications
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/115263
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The proliferating secrecy and Governmental deceptions surrounding the Swine Flu vaccines are out of control: a confidential letter, reportedly leaked to the Daily Mail, has been sent from The UK's Health Protection Agency (HPA) -- the official entity that oversees public health in the UK -- to senior neurologists, warning that the new Swine Flu vaccine to be used for the questionable 'Swine Flu Pandemic' has been linked to Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), leading to increasing demands wanting to know why the information was not given to the public the HPA allegedly oversees before giving the potentially deadly vaccine to millions of people and increasing reports of adverse reactions to Relenza and Tamiflu, two other anti-viral drugs used to treat the symptoms of the Swine Flu are becoming more frequent.

The letter from the HPA to the neurologists warns them to be alert for an increase in GBS cases that could be triggered by the controversial vaccines. GBS is a disorder in which your body's immune system attacks part of your peripheral nervous system resulting in paralysis and the inability to breath. GBS can be fatal. The letter was sent to about 600 neurologists near the end of last month.

The HPA letter references the manufactured Swine Flu pandemic from the U.S. in 1976 when more people died from the vaccination than the Swine Flu. One recent Examiner report said that over 111,000 people had died from the Swine Flu. Where it got those figures I don't know, but those figures aren't even close to the truth. The propaganda parade is in full swing and it appears that history is about to repeat itself.

Subjects Receiving Vaccines Appear to be Guinea Pigs

According to the Daily Mail, the British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to closely monitor any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out. There are growing concerns that this is going to be another case of the fraudulent 1976 Swine Flu debacle all over again.

The Swine Flu virus in some of the new vaccines is slightly different from the one created in 1976 that killed more people than the actual Swine Flu did, but the possibility of increased incidences of GBS remain a concern. Two letters addressing Neurologists have advised of the GBS dangers. The new vaccine program -- that the Pharmaceutical companies are receiving billions of dollars in profits as well as total impunity from the results inflicted on worldwide populations -- has not been properly tested, and the subjects receiving the vaccines appear to be guinea pigs. Reported cases of GBS will be logged into a centralized database.

Some question the need for a vaccine, given the risks, although for some people with serious underlying health problems, the risk of dying from the Swine Flu -- or any other type of flu -- could be greater than the risk of side effects from an untested vaccine. In most cases, all that's needed is a few days of bed rest. Some are recommending drinking Whiskey to ward the Swine Flu off.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency of the UK is monitoring the side effects from Tamiflu and Relenza, two other medications designed to fight symptoms of the Swine Flu.

Roche Pharmaceuticals, Tamiflu's manufacturer, isn't the only one who has profited greatly from Tamiflu. Donald Rumsfeld has also reportedly made millions of dollars from Tamiflu by selling some Roche shares since the drug has been bought in massive amounts by more than 60 Governments to treat a possible flu pandemic. As previously noted, Pharmaceutical companies are raking in billions because of a manufactured flu pandemic.

Swine Flu Medication Pushed Despite Growing Number of Reported Side Effects

Despite the growing number of documented side effects from the antiviral drug Tamiflu, Health officials continue claiming that it is safe. There have been 400 reports of adverse reactions from Tamiflu since the start of the questionable Swine Flu Outreak.

Those pushing for widespread distribution of Tamiflu are also warning people that if they fail to complete the course of treatment, they may be fueling the evolution of drug-resistant forms of the type of H1N1 influenza A virus behind the alleged Swine Flu pandemic according to the Independent UK.

Between April 1 and August 6 of this year, there were 418 reports of adverse side effects to Tamiflu, and another 686 suspected cases of adverse reactions according to figures from The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), though not all of them may be due to the drug.

During the same time frame, there were 10 reports of adverse reactions and 14 suspected side effects reported from people who were taking Relenza, another antiviral drug that is used by some to treat Swine Flu symptoms. Tamiflu is a pill that is taken
orally. Relenza is a nasal spray.


300,000 Given Tamiflu Since the Swine Flu Outbreak

British Health officials continue saying that both products have been rigorously tested and that they are effective against the symptoms of the Swine Flu.

Approximately 300,000 people have been given Tamiflu since the start of the Swine Flu outbreak. Anyone fulfilling the National Pandemic Flu Service's criteria can receive Tamiflu free of charge when they answer a series of questions regarding their symptoms online or by telephone.

Vomiting and nausea are listed on Tamiflu's packaging. According to the summary of product characteristics, 11 percent of adults and adolescents taking Tamiflu experience nausea and 8 percent of those taking it suffer from vomiting.

In children, 15 percent suffer from vomiting and 10 percent suffer from diarrhea. 3 percent of children get nauseated and 5 percent have reported abdominal pain according to the Independent UK report. When taken preventatively instead of as a treatment, headaches are another known side effect.

There are also concerns over how Tamiflu interacts with warfarin, a blood-thinning medication that is taken by more than 600,000 people in the UK. Some in the medical field are saying that taking Tamiflu if you are on warfarin puts you at a greater risk of stroke because of dangerously thin blood. Warfarin is a blood thinner prescribed to prevent blood clots.

Still too Much Secrecy Surrounding the 'Swine Flu Pandemic'

Some states are gearing up for giving millions of people shots. Massachusetts health authorities have reportedly deputized dentists, paramedics and pharmacists to help administer vaccines. Other states, such as Maine, are drilling the National Guard in preparation of possible H1N1 Riots. The insanity -- or ignorance, depending on how you look at it -- is spiraling out of control. Forcing quarantines and vaccinations defeats the purpose, unless of course, your purpose is to intentionally kill numerous people with intentionally-tainted vaccines.

There is still too much secrecy surrounding the 'Swine Flu pandemic' and the contents of exactly what is in the vaccines about to be unleashed upon the world, raising more concern. As the planned date for the largest widespread school vaccinations since the days of polio nears, there are still many questions that the government has yet to answer.

For instance, who is paying the billions of dollars being received by these Pharmaceutical companies for hurriedly rushing potentially deadly vaccines to be used on an unspecting public? Are taxpayers being bilked for those billions too? What exactly are the ingredients being used in these vaccines and why does the U.S. government refuse to answer that question? The Pharmaceutical companies have been dubiously profiting from sickness and death for years.

Usually, when someone won't answer the questions or dances around the issues, it's because they're hiding something. Unfortunately, the U.S. government has been hiding a lot of things for several years. What is the government hiding now?

It's Time for the Governmental Deception to end

If Dr. Ott is correct, the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine is using Bird Flu vaccine -- that has resulted in a high mortality rate in Vietnam -- instead of a Swine Flu virus, meaning Swine Flu victims will be given deadly Bird Flu vaccine to immunize them against the Swine Flu, putting them more at risk. It's time for the governmental deception to come to an end and it's time for the truth and accountability. Criminal government actions need to be recognized for what they are and dealt with accordingly.

The UK Government -- as well as the U.S. Government -- is purposely using fear, intimidation and a lot of media disinformation to spread their Swine Flu lies, falsely predicting a high death toll without corresponding evidence. According to one report, a U.S. Air Force Study proposed a 2009 Influenza Pandemic in 1996. As I've written before, anyone foolish enough to believe that their Government is out to protect them and won't intentionally do anything to harm them -- as proven repeatedly ever since the appointment of George W. Bush to the presidency in 2000 -- is in for some very rude awakenings. Again, it's time to realize this situation for the deadly fraud that it is and it's time to do something about it.

More research and independent testing is needed before unleashing millions of vials of questionable flu vaccines on world populations. More information on vaccination myths and truths, as well as more on the suspicious origin of the Governmentally fabricated 'Swine Flu Pandemic' can be found in this article from The Centre for Research on Globalization.
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« Reply #279 on: August 21, 2009, 01:58:20 AM »

here is the deal...

Polio vaccines put HIV into a million africans....

Then AIDS broke out...

Hep B vaccines put HIV into hundreds of thousands of homosexuals...

then AIDS broke out...

They are planning HPV and swine flue vaccine for over 100 million people to infect a new seed of super VIRUS.

They are spreading a rumor that HIV does not cause AIDS to get away with this new depopulation/extermination plan...

Please do not help them commit this genocide by speading this f**king bullshit on this forum.

THANKS!



But Sane I am with you on almost everything but why is this bullshit?  Does it not make sense?  Did you ever watch that 2 hour documentary called AIDS fact or Fraud?  To me it makes sense especially with all the safe sex BS propaganda they spread everywhere and the drug companies with their killer drugs.  

What about that woman who cured herself of AIDS by simply getting off the drugs?
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