HIV causes AIDS (Watch out for the NWO disinfo saying it does not)

[Femacamper]

Honestly I don't know whether HIV alone, in tandem with other things, or something else is responsible for AIDS...but one thing is pretty clear - it's been used as a tool for the eugenicists.

[netizen_x]

Until YOU come up with a miracle CURE, you can talk SHIT ALL DAY.

No cure required for what don't exist.

[apex111]

Science sold out, a book by A mathematical biologist Rebecca Culshaw makes a good case for the HIV never being properly isolated and how unrelaible the tests are, its only like 100 pages and is only like 10 bucks at Amazon, its pretty good.

[apex111]

We should get the film hiv fact or fraud into the top 100 in google, we can actually stop getting tested, stop being terrorized with death, the 9/11 fraud is a much tougher nut to crack, millions of people know, and there is still no change.  Here is the link for the film, send it to all your friends.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8142733917997460212&q=hiv+fact+or+fraud&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

[apex111]

This is a fraud that can be won

[GoingEtheric]

I think HIV is a race-specific bioweapon, personally. There IS something fishy about the connection ( or lack thereof ) between HIV and AIDS. But tell me this, would you receive infected blood into yours? Would you take that risk if HIV is indeed harmless? I'm suspicious of the whole story, but I wouldn't.

[apex111]

There have been dissidents like Duesberg that have offered to be injected, after researching it I'd say I'm about 90% sure its harmless and that mycoplasma not hiv was the centerpeice of the bioweapons program.  www.projectdaylily.com.  I dont think injecting myself would accomplish anything, for if I survived they would either ignore me or say I had "special Genes."  There are studies that should be carried out that can resolve the HIV issue, just follow ten people who have HIV without any other risk factors like Mycoplasmas, severe drug abuse/stress, malnutrtion and AZT and see if they even get sick, I doubt it.

[A K]

How long has Magic Johnson been HIV positive?  10 years?  15 years?

[GoingEtheric]

since 92 or 93 I think. A long time

[apex111]

I doubt hes even taken the drugs consitently

[apex111]

Kind of strange illness, Magic has no symptoms, clinical disease, and they just ruin your life and say your going to die, first they said everyone would die within a few months, now theyve extended it to ten years, who's to say that you just cant live on like everyone else?

[netizen_x]

I doubt hes even taken the drugs consitently

That'd explain why he's still alive.

The treatment kills.

[jimd3100]

That'd explain why he's still alive.

The treatment kills.

I doubt hes even taken the drugs consitently

LOL  F**kin Idiots

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/01/21/biz_magic21.html

Magic Johnson promotes HIV drug

Ads are geared toward urban blacks

By Alex Polier
The Associated Press


NEW YORK - As competition among makers of AIDS drugs increases, GlaxoSmithKline is using perhaps America's best-known HIV carrier to spread awareness among urban blacks of treatment methods and the company's products.

Magic Johnson's image is being splashed on billboards, subway posters and full-page ads in newspapers and magazines.

The ads include photos of a robust-looking Mr. Johnson and feature messages such as, "Staying healthy is about a few basic things: A positive attitude, partnering with my doctor, taking my medicine every day."

The market in HIV treatments with its drug Combivir, GlaxoSmithKline said its campaign is being conducted in cities with the highest rates of HIV/AIDS infection among blacks, including New York; Los Angeles; San Francisco; Miami; Washington, D.C.; Chicago; Philadelphia; Houston; Atlanta; and Newark, N.J.

The campaign also includes educational ads and a speaking tour by Mr. Johnson. It is similar to campaigns that have used athletes, movie stars and other celebrities to promote awareness about and specific drugs for arthritis, depression and other conditions.

But the GlaxoSmithKline campaign is the first of its kind for HIV, which has created particularly sensitive issues of price and profit for the pharmaceutical industry.

"The new wave of this disease is moving toward minorities, specifically African-Americans," said Peter Hare, vice president of GlaxoSmithKline's HIV business unit. "More African-Americans are dying from AIDS than white people. So, from a business perspective, if you want more patients, you have to focus on the African-American community."

Mr. Johnson, diagnosed with HIV 11 years ago, does not have full-blown AIDS. The basketball Hall of Famer takes a combination of GlaxoSmithKline and non-GlaxoSmithKline drugs, including Combivir, the most commonly prescribed HIV drug and one of GlaxoSmithKline's best sellers.

New alternatives, including generics, are turning what was once a limited market into one of fierce competition. Products such as Crixivan and Stocrin made by Merck & Co., and Kaletra and Norvir, made by Abbott Laboratories, pose a threat to GlaxoSmithKline's profits.

GlaxoSmithKline still controls about 50 percent of the market for HIV drugs, with sales topping $1.1 billion in 2001, the most recent year for which comprehensive figures are available.

"So if anyone complies with their treatment, or if new African-Americans start using HIV drugs, there will be some benefit for us," Mr. Hare said. "But this campaign is beneficial for everyone. There is something in it for African-Americans with HIV, for doctors and, yes, something in it for Magic and for GlaxoSmithKline."

AIDS is the leading cause of death for blacks between the ages of 24 and 44.

One in 50 black men and one in 160 black women are believed to be HIV-positive. About one in three don't now they have it.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/17/cnn25.tan.johnson/index.html

"The reason I am doing well is because of the drugs"
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Sorry couldn't resist.   Now you can go back to your lunacy  Gee I guess maybe he does take HIV drugs....but now you can say he was paid off, by the drug companies and is "in on it"  or is just a dumb black guy and doesn't know any better    you geniuses will come up with something LOL

[netizen_x]

reason I am doing well is because of the drugs[/b]"
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Sorry couldn't resist.   Now you can go back to your lunacy  Gee I guess maybe he does take HIV drugs....but now you can say he was paid off, by the drug companies and is "in on it"

Do you have a financial interest in big pharma or are you just interested in the Eugenics side?

Why don't you take your AZT and vaccinations and shut up.

GENERIC NAME: ZIDOVUDINE (AZT) - ORAL (zye-DOE-view-deen)
BRAND NAME(S): Retrovir

Warning | Medication Uses | Other Uses | How To Use | Side Effects | Precautions | Drug Interactions | Overdose | Notes | Missed Dose | Storage | Medical Alert

WARNING: Rarely, this medication has caused severe, sometimes fatal, liver and blood problems (e.g., lactic acidosis, granulocytopenia, anemia), especially in people with advanced HIV infection. Prolonged use of zidovudine has caused muscle aches similar to those produced by HIV. Notify your doctor immediately if you have: dark urine, yellowing of the skin or eyes, abdominal or stomach pain, unusual fatigue, muscle aches, rapid breathing, drowsiness, symptoms of infection such as persistent fever or sore throat.

USES: Zidovudine is a nucleoside reverse transcriptase inhibitor antiviral agent used to treat human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection. It works by slowing the growth of the virus. It is not a cure for HIV and does not prevent the passing of HIV to others. This medication is also used in pregnant women to prevent spreading the virus to the fetus. One group of HIV medications (the nucleoside/nucleotide reverse transcriptase inhibitors-NRTIs such as zidovudine and lamivudine) are very useful. However, NRTIs are recommended to be used in combination with other groups of HIV medications in order to be effective. Consult your doctor or pharmacist for more details.

OTHER USES: This medication may also be used to prevent HIV after coming in contact with the virus.

HOW TO USE: Take this medicine exactly as your doctor prescribed. If this medicine is prescribed every 4 hours, it is important to take it around the clock, even though it might disrupt your sleep. Frequently it is prescribed less often than every 4 hours and in combination with other anti-HIV drugs.

Wash it down with flouridated tap water. You make me believe in Eugenics JimD.

[jimd3100]

Do you have a financial interest in big pharma or are you just interested in the Eugenics side?

No I have an interest in the truth and common sense.

Why don't you take your AZT and vaccinations and shut up.

Why don't you try facing reality. And Why would I take an AIDS drug when I don't have AIDS or HIV infection, and the drug is outdated?

GENERIC NAME: ZIDOVUDINE (AZT) - ORAL (zye-DOE-view-deen)
BRAND NAME(S): Retrovir

Like I said--it's an old drug, it was the first there are new ones now, but since you prove over and over that you don't have a clue of what you are talking about it isn't surprising.

Wash it down with flouridated tap water. You make me believe in Eugenics JimD.

Your Doctor is gonna get you. Keep proving you are an ignorant idiot on a subject you can't stop talking about.

Here...I'll help you...

HIV doesn't exist:

LOL..dumbass..even your own anti HIV GOD Duesberg admits it exists...

By far the most significant scientist to question the HIV/AIDS theory is Professor Peter Duesberg, a virologist at the University of California at Berkeley, who first wrote about this topic in 1987. Throughout the 1990s and into the new millennium, as HIV/AIDS researchers announced many new discoveries and amassed huge volumes of data, Dr Duesberg remained unconvinced. He admits that HIV exists, but he maintains that it is harmless, and that AIDS is caused by non-contagious factors including drug abuse, malnutrition, and even the very drugs used to combat HIV.2

However, the proportion of scientists who doubt that HIV causes AIDS is tiny, and shows no sign of increasing. Interest in dissident views appears to have dwindled after the excitement surrounding Thabo Mbeki's AIDS panel and the Durban Declaration in 2000. It seems likely that new and better evidence, including the obvious benefits of modern drug treatments, has caused many former-dissidents to change their minds.

http://www.avert.org/evidence.htm

[Sonja]

No cure required for what don't exist.

Dont be stupid. This exists and has killed many people and friends.

That'd explain why he's still alive.

The treatment kills.

No, the treatment saved millions of lives. HIV/AIDS is no longer life threatening because there IS treatment. Before there was treatment people were dying in droves. AZT was admittedly NOT the right treatment, but was not the cause of death, HIV infection leading to complications of the broken immune system led to what we now call AIDS which is a complication of a myriad of diseases attacking the body due to the immune system breakdown. AIDS is not a disease in itself, it is the name called to the bottoming out of the lack of t-cells.

Jim is right, you all are SOOO wrong it begs disbelief. You are talking shit you know ZERO about, but of course, lets see if anyone becomes HIV positive,-you dont shit your pants in fear.

Majic Johnson has lived long because of the new drugs and the best medical care available. All HIV positive people are living because of the new drugs. Africa is dying for lack of them.

The idiocy on this thread is not only unbelievable, its insulting to anyone who actually understands the issue in its entirety.

Dont talk when you know NOTHING about the history of the disease, likely anyone who had it or died from it.

[netizen_x]

Jim is right, you all are SOOO wrong it begs disbelief. You are talking shit you know ZERO about, but of course, lets see if anyone becomes HIV positive,-you dont shit your pants in fear.

All your quotes and yours and Jim's opinions are just the same mainstream media faire. You disagree with the mainstream media on just about everything but when it comes to HIV/AIDS theory, the mainstream media suddenly tells the truth?

HIV tests are fake. Ask the inventor, nobel prize winning Cary Mullis.

I won't shit myself with fear over something that doesn't exist. It's you and Jim who are shit-scared of a phantom called HIV.

This topic has been going for weeks and you still can't bring up one piece of evidence that proves your HIV=AIDS theory.

[jimd3100]

All your quotes and yours and Jim's opinions are just the same mainstream media faire. You disagree with the mainstream media on just about everything but when it comes to HIV/AIDS theory, the mainstream media suddenly tells the truth?

I live in the real world. I don't get all my info from internet message boards and a television set. So everything the MSM says is a lie huh? The high today wasn't 72? The MSM said it was..must be a lie....it might be time for a mental checkup..oh yea, I forgot. That mean Dr is out to get you. Paranoid much?

HIV tests are fake. Ask the inventor, nobel prize winning Cary Mullis

.
His name is Kary Banks Mullis, and guess what Sherlock? He isn't an AIDS researcher, and isn't an expert on it. He is a scientist, a biochemist to be exact, and invented the process that the test is based on. So the F**K what?

I won't shit myself with fear over something that doesn't exist. It's you and Jim who are shit-scared of a phantom called HIV.

HAA...HIV still doesn't exist? Keep showing how stupid you are. Mullis is another one who admits it's real. And I'm not scared of it because I know the risks in getting it and I avoid them.

This topic has been going for weeks and you still can't bring up one piece of evidence that proves your HIV=AIDS theory.

No, we just prove over and over and over, that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. The million people who don't die anymore because they take anti viral drugs that fight off the HIV are the proof dumbass.

Since it is painfully obvious you have never dealt with the issue in real life like we have....why don't you just shut the f**k up....or better yet keep posting and prove to the world how much of an idiot you are.

[Sonja]

You disagree with the mainstream media on just about everything but when it comes to HIV/AIDS theory, the mainstream media suddenly tells the truth?

I am not talking about Mainstream media. In case you hadnt noticed , both Jim and I have seen the situation first hand.  You watch people, they first have HIV, then they go on, its not f**king rocket science! T-cells diminish, they get sick, they get pneumonia, they get Karposi's sarcoma- a skin type cancer that is visable, they can develop hodgkins lymphoma, fugal infections of all types, wasting syndrome (rapid weight loss and loss of appetite), neuropathy, and basically just waste away and die.
THIS HAPPENED to millions before HIV was ever found and was not in their heads! There was NO treatment then, so what ARE YOU SAYING? When we know this is a bioweapon? Are you accusing people of faking illness and death or some other convoluted personal theory, never having dealt with the situation, not being a doctor, not knowing anyone or anything related to the subject, just a wild theory that its not real?

When HIV related illness is diagnosed, usually because the person has become sick by something odd in their lives,  treatment does not happen until T-cells reach below 200. Do YOU Understand That? The illness is left to do its work because the treatment is not only expensive its hard on a person.
After t-cells go below 200, the person is in danger and then goes on a major cocktail of drugs, if NOT, THEY SURELY DIE.
Over time, with the new drugs people can become totally non-viral, which is amazing. They still take the drugs every day, lots of them, but they live, long, almost normal lives.

You simply cannot go on talking CRAP when results are so evident. Lets put it THIS WAY- Whether HIV causes AIDS or NOT, the treatment IS working now. I can tell you, everyone was just dying before. They no longer do. IN FACT, anyone that can afford treatment does not die.
So what is the purpose here? Like I said, anyone with a better solution/cure...STEP UP to the PLATE! Please come forward! Its not like everyone could not use your ultimate wisdom.

Only dumbasses are in denial, and thats why Africa cant get any help. Their own governments dont even want to see an end to it, as 2/3 population reduction is FINE for them.  Bush wants to ensure abstinence programs are initiated before they get any drugs, Big Pharma could care less because it doesnt pay back the research on it, and Eugenicists had this planned from the beginning.
It was a mistake that big pharma found a way out, oh sheeit, they thwarted this thing because everyone wasnt in on the game plan.

Dont worry, they'll get it right with H5N1, bird flu, or release of any other myriad of germs they have stored.
There have been many 'test' runs on us up til now.

[jimd3100]

Let's do a quick recap of what you AIDS geniuses have been saying. And see who will win the race for dumbest person on the thread......

APEX111 says that HIV doesn't exist and a wonderfull Dr Duesberg backs him up on this.
Then It's shown that Duesberg admits HIV exists.

netizen_x joins in and showing his medical skills informs us that AIDS patients are really just people who don't get enough to eat, because AIDS and HIV don't exist.

LakeshoreBaby helps out by telling us a great information site is offering a reward for anyone that can prove HIV exists. These are smart people at this site.

It's pointed out that the reward isn't to prove HIV exists, because they admit it does, in simple terms the reward is for making a better test. And all the "experts" you idiots quote come from this site. And the founder of the site? Is an HIV infected mother whos baby is dead from AIDS.

SO you all believe this wonderfull spokesperson who has an HIV infected dead baby as proof HIV and AIDS aren't real or related.

APEX points out that the evil Drs. refused to test and treat the baby for HIV, while netizen_x says they tested and treated the baby to much.
So it's pointed out that the mother never allowed the baby to be tested and therefor there was no treatment, after all she's your spokesperson for no HIV or AIDS. Why treat something that doesn't exist?

LakeshoreBaby jumps in to proclaim what wonderfull folks you are for spreading this through the "AIDS Truth" movement. And how it's like the 9/11 truth movement, which isn't surprising since those "no planers" are also wanting to help 9/11 truth which Lakeshorebaby is one of them as well.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=5185.msg72161#msg72161

LakeshoreBaby then explains their credentials by telling a story dropping out of medical school but not before they saw AIDS patients first hand, and these people didn't just have "AIDS", they had all kinds of problems , showing everyone the real reason for dropping out of medical school being they don't understand the meaning of "opportunistic infection".

Meanwhile netizen_x keeps in the race by proclaiming that HIV doesn't exist over and over.

Apex111 seeing his lead as the dumbest person on the thread in danger quickly recovers and explains to us that Magic Johnson has been infected with the "imaginary" HIV for some time and hasn't dropped dead. Probably because he doesn't take medication.

netizen_x sees Apex111 take the lead as the dumbest person on the thread and catches up by saying that if Magic Johnson had been taking the medication he would be dead now.

It's then pointed out that not only has he been taking the medication, he claims it's the reason he is alive and well, and is a spokesman for one of the drugs.

And the race contines..........

[apex111]

I never said it doesnt exist, even if it does most viruses are harmless, especially those that are in 1/1000 cells, dont do zilch when injected into animals, and have a "asymptomatic period" that was extended from 10 months to 10 years.

Ha, Magic's only alive today because he shunned AZT.  As for now hes a paid drug company man, so he probably towing the party line, even if he is taking the drugs, there's no evidence that he needs them and wouldnt be fine without them, plenty of others have stopped the drugs and been fine.

"Other individuals began to take their health in their own hands rather than rely on medical authority for the "treatment" of HIV. In terms of notoriety, the list is led by one of the nation's top basketball stars, Earvin '"Magic" Johnson. In November 1991, Magic proved to be HIV­positive when he applied for a marriage license. Magic was totally healthy until AIDS specialists Anthony Fauci, from the NIH, David Ho, now director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York, and Magic's personal doctor advised AIDS prophylaxis with AZT. Magic's health changed radically within a few days. The press wrote in December 1991: "Magic Reeling as Worst Nightmare Comes True-He's Getting Sicker." Only after he began taking AZT did Magic's health begin to decline. He "had lost his appetite and suffered from bouts of nausea and fatigue" and complained. "I feel like vomiting almost every day." (107)

But then suddenly Magic's AIDS symptoms disappeared-and so did all further news about his AIDS symptoms and treatment. Had Magic's virus suddenly become harmless, or was Magic taken off AZT? No paper would mention whether Magic was taken off AZT. Nobody knew, except those who joked, "There is no magic in AZT, and there is no AZT in Magic.," Indeed. it is very unlikely that he could have won the Olympics in 1992 on AZT, considering his strong reactions to the toxic drug in 1991. The silence of the AIDS establishment seems to confirm this assumption. Nothing would have been a better advertisement for the troubled AIDS drug than having returned AIDS patient Magic to an Olympic victory. But no such announcement was made. At last Magic broke the silence himself. After a "motivational" AIDS talk in Tallahassee, Florida, in the spring of 1995, Magic responded to a teacher that "He had been taking AZT for a while, but has stopped." (108) The media preferred not to mention the news."

With therapies like this who needs Disease?
Peter Duesberg

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/pdazt.htm

[apex111]

Magic has never been diagnosed with full blown AIDS, youre only supposed to take the drugs when your t cell count is around 200 or so, so I doubt hes really taking his meds now, for its not even clinically indicated even if you beleive hiv is the cause of aids at his stage, probably just being a paid shill

[jimd3100]

Let's do a quick recap of what you AIDS geniuses have been saying. And see who will win the race for dumbest person on the thread......

Hey Apex111..my money is on you. LOL

Ha, Magic's only alive today because he shunned AZT.   After a "motivational" AIDS talk in Tallahassee, Florida, in the spring of 1995, Magic responded to a teacher that "He had been taking AZT for a while, but has stopped." (108) The media preferred not to mention the news."

With therapies like this who needs Disease?
Peter Duesberg

Keep showing how stupid you are. You post an article that was written over a decade ago by a guy helping eugenics eliminate undesirables. How does it feel to be manipulated?
Shunned AZT? Compare your 12 year old article with what was written at the end of 2006. .....
Johnson missed being on the court, and the side effects of AZT, the only drug available at the time
Johnson says he's anything but cured. He says he owes his well-being — and quite possibly his life — to the multidrug cocktail he takes everyday.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-30-magic-aids_x.htm

You know just as much about HIV and AIDS as foo fighter Mendel which is Jack S**t.

Mendel says that he does not have HIV, nor does he have any friends with HIV besides Maggiore

I on the other hand do know people(black people BTW) who have HIV and AIDS and guess what? They didn't take drugs for it and were fine. Until they got sick, real sick, and were wasting away, and I stood right by the bed as the Dr told them they can die or take anti viral drugs to fight HIV and live. Well, they chose to live and just like Magic is going around saying, they worked.

So you can believe Magic, or you can believe Maggiore. Maggiore had a baby while HIV positive and never took anything and they are both fine. And you idiots point to that as proof. But guess what happens? The child is no longer talked about by her or you. Why? Because the child is dead. Dead from AIDS.
The Autopsy report: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/maggiorecoroner.pdf

So go and take your advice on HIV from a dope smoking musician who gets his advice from a mom that killed her own child to be a minor celebrity, and sell a book, or from Magic who is actually saving lives.

Mendel, and you...are so f**kin desperate to attach a "conspiracy to aids", might want to exercise a few brain cells and see what the conspiracy really is.

Take a look around, and notice the groups of people who are being devastated by HIV and AIDS. Where did this virus come from? Who benefits?

You believe the disgusting mother who has a dead child of proof she should be listened to and you will end up just where I have seen others. On their deathbed with a choice. Either please the eugenics who came up with this s**t, and go ahead and die. Or please the drug companies who will be taking your money for the rest of your life and live.

Or believe Magic Johnson who is desperately pleading with the African American community to not get HIV at all, and if you do have it there are drugs that will save you.

How does it feel to be manipulated?


Yea, big f**kin mystery.

[apex111]

Dumbass,
Magic is a paid drug company man, hes never been diagnosed with full blown aids (tcellls at or less than 200) so YOURE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE DRUGS TILL THEN, why he said he takes them now probably has to do with the millions he makes from the drug companies, what evidence to you have that magic wouldnt be just as healthy or even more healthy if he didnt take the drugs?
None, because all the new drugs arent tested against the placebo, rather more toxic drugs like AZT, and theres no study that shows that people who are not hard core drug addicts that barely sleep or eat properly, mycoplasma infected, AZT drugged even get AIDS, they just kept extending the window period from 10 months to 10 years when no one go sick!

[jimd3100]

Just like I predicted..LOL...

Gee I guess maybe he does take HIV drugs....but now you can say he was paid off, by the drug companies and is "in on it"  or is just a dumb black guy and doesn't know any better    you geniuses will come up with something LOL

What else could you say?

Dumbass,

Thank you. This is indeed a compliment from someone who has post after post showing they are an idiot.

Magic is a paid drug company man, hes never been diagnosed with full blown aids (tcellls at or less than 200) so YOURE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE DRUGS TILL THEN, why he said he takes them now probably has to do with the millions he makes from the drug companies, what evidence to you have that magic wouldnt be just as healthy or even more healthy if he didnt take the drugs?

Like I said, I got my money on you to win the stupidest person race, you've got a great lead.

When Magic started on his medication, what was he tcell count? 201? 500? 1500? 45?
You don't have a f**kin clue.

LOL, Paid drug company man. Yes, that's right sherlock you have it all figured out. He was tired of being loved by millions as a star athlete, and preferred to tell everyone he had HIV so he could be a shill. Nice work sherlock.

Now, it is possible that he took this new(at the time)medication before his immune system collapsed, because the goal at the time was to keep him from getting sick. Obviously though(except to morons like you)his HIV level was high. And that would be the reason for the anti viral cocktail he has taken. BTW it worked of course, even to the point where it became undetectable. At a certain point he stopped taking the medication (since it was undetectable)but he isn't a moron like you so he and his Dr kept tabs on what was happening. He was one of the first to get these drugs that anyone can get now. SO what happened was the viral loads reappeared and he and his Dr's knew that it was not a cure then. He reccommends against doing that now. He knows about HIV and AIDS. You know Jack S**T.

None, because all the new drugs arent tested against the placebo, rather more toxic drugs like AZT, and theres no study that shows that people who are not hard core drug addicts that barely sleep or eat properly, mycoplasma infected, AZT drugged even get AIDS, they just kept extending the window period from 10 months to 10 years when no one go sick!

No, the new drugs either fight off the HIV or they don't. The window period is irrelevant. It's your immune system. Keep helping the drug companies get more patients and the eugenics nuts more deaths.
How does it feel to be manipulated?

[LakeshoreBaby]

HIV does exist: prove otherwise.

Fema, I like your stuff.  But that's not responsible.  When you start off trying to prove something you have to start from a premise of nothing and build from there.  First find the proof of the virus or entity.  Then that it's been isolated in human tissue.  Then prove that this virus or other entity actually causes the maladie that you observe. 

Dr. Duesberg believes that the virus exists.  I just got an email from David Crowe of the Alberta Rethinking AIDS society and he says that Dr. Duesberg is the only major player of the alternative AIDS theorists that believes that HIV exists as we know it.  Most others haven't seen any proof of it.  So we seem to be stuck with an assumption that the virus exists with no medical study to back it up. 

This thread still has no medical study posted that proves that a virus called HIV has been isolated in human tissue. 

[netizen_x]

Dr. Duesberg believes that the virus exists.  I just got an email from David Crowe of the Alberta Rethinking AIDS society and he says that Dr. Duesberg is the only major player of the alternative AIDS theorists that believes that HIV exists as we know it.  Most others haven't seen any proof of it.  So we seem to be stuck with an assumption that the virus exists with no medical study to back it up. 

Duesberg believes HIV exists because the HIV theory is based on his own pioneering work on retroviruses. In the early '80s they couldn't explain why they couldn't find a virus so they said it's a 'retrovirus': a new kind of virus that was much smaller than a normal virus and therefore couldn't be seen or found.

Do you remember this JimD? You were probably in diapers then, if you were born at all.

So if Duesberg were to deny the existence of HIV, he would probably be calling into question his own theory of the existence of a class of (invisible) retroviruses.

Duesberg is not a god, as JimD would suggest but he's not stupid. He realises AIDS is a condition caused by a drug cocktail and or starvation, etc.

There's no evidence that a biological agent causes AIDS.

[zdrux]

You watch people, they first have HIV, then they go on, its not f**king rocket science! T-cells diminish, they get sick, they get pneumonia, they get Karposi's sarcoma- a skin type cancer that is visable, they can develop hodgkins lymphoma, fugal infections of all types, wasting syndrome (rapid weight loss and loss of appetite), neuropathy, and basically just waste away and die.

Well then I guess they should have been taking their drugs! You DID tell them there's life prolonging drugs that help with AIDS, didn't you?!

[jimd3100]

Duesberg is not a god, as JimD would suggest but he's not stupid. He realises AIDS is a condition caused by a drug cocktail and or starvation, etc.

There's no evidence that a biological agent causes AIDS.

No he's not my God. AIDS is caused by a drug cocktail that wasn't around until 1996? That's brilliant.

Don't pay no attention to that harmless little HIV and AIDS isn't real. Yea, Keep helping the eugenics with their death toll and the Drug companies with their profits (if you want to stay alive)and show the baby healthy with HIV as proof..ooops...now that it's dead from imaginary AIDS, just ignore that...

How does it feel to be manipulated?

[netizen_x]

No he's not my God. AIDS is caused by a drug cocktail that wasn't around until 1996? That's brilliant.

The ingredients of the cocktail changes little by little but the ingredients and combinations are always deadly.

Don't pay no attention to that harmless little HIV and AIDS isn't real. Yea, Keep helping the eugenics with their death toll and the Drug companies with their profits (if you want to stay alive)and show the baby healthy with HIV as proof..ooops...now that it's dead from imaginary AIDS, just ignore that...

You keep promoting AIDS therapy in the black community and I'll promote it in China. We gotta speed the eugenics program up. I suggest you invest in the pharmaceutical companies first so you make a profit at the same time.

How does it feel to be manipulated?

You tell me.

[jimd3100]

The ingredients of the cocktail changes little by little but the ingredients and combinations are always deadly.

There wasn't a cocktail sherlock until 1996, which BTW is when people stopped dieing of AIDS, gee what a f**kin coincidence. Guess it aint so deadly after all. Maybe Magic knows more about HIV and AIDS than you?

You keep promoting AIDS therapy in the black community and I'll promote it in China. We gotta speed the eugenics program up.

People in that community die, because you are to stupid to see that it's designed to kill certain types. Magic is not dead, because he has been taking that "deadly" cocktail and telling others what works.

I suggest you invest in the pharmaceutical companies first so you make a profit at the same time.

There is no real need to because when your spokesperson for "AIDS isn't real" had her child die from AIDS only a few retards still believed her, you are one of them.

But they appreciate your help. Because I've watched as people were given the choice to die(and please the eugenics who came up with HIV)or take the drugs that will save them(and please the drug companies)people always seem to chose to live. And they get your money or your life, but only if you are stupid enough to think HIV is harmless.
Most are aware it's not now. No thanks to you.

How does it feel to be manipulated?

[apex111]

the death rate dropped long before the "miracle drugs" came out, besides the death rate peaked when AZT the cell killing chemo was given, whats going to harm you more, a virus thats in 1/1000 cells, doesnt do zilch in animals, has a window period that was extended from 10 months to 10 years, or being on chemo for years on end?  We know AZT is chemo in a pill, just most people are on chemo just for a few weeks, to kill the cancer before the patient gets killled by the the chemo, on chemo AZT long enough and it will probably kill anybody.

[jimd3100]

the death rate dropped long before the "miracle drugs" came out, besides the death rate peaked when AZT the cell killing chemo was given, whats going to harm you more, a virus thats in 1/1000 cells, doesnt do zilch in animals, has a window period that was extended from 10 months to 10 years, or being on chemo for years on end?  We know AZT is chemo in a pill, just most people are on chemo just for a few weeks, to kill the cancer before the patient gets killled by the the chemo, on chemo AZT long enough and it will probably kill anybody.

Pathetic just pathetic..lie after lie...the death rate in fact never dropped it kept peaking until the "miracle drugs" came out. They came out in 1996. The rate peaked in 1995, and has been going down ever since because no one listens to lieing idiots like you anymore.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus07.pdf#042
http://media.www.dailytitan.com/media/storage/paper861/news/1998/10/09/News/Aids-Death.Rate.Lowest.In.A.Decade-1536540.shtml

[apex111]

http://www.avert.org/usastaty.htm


The drop started in 1995-96, before the "miracle drugs", there was a massive increase in the late eighties, 90's because of AZT monotherapy, look how low the death rate was in the early years, 3-4k, before any drugs, dont tell me because the virus spread, the cases of hiv have been constant at 1 million per year, plus its not surprising that there might have been a drop, simply because when the protease inhibitors came out, people drastically lowered thier dose of the chemo AZT, causing a reduced death rate

[jimd3100]

http://www.avert.org/usastaty.htm


The drop started in 1995-96, before the "miracle drugs", there was a massive increase in the late eighties, 90's because of AZT monotherapy, look how low the death rate was in the early years, 3-4k, before any drugs, dont tell me because the virus spread, the cases of hiv have been constant at 1 million per year, plus its not surprising that there might have been a drop, simply because when the protease inhibitors came out, people drastically lowered thier dose of the chemo AZT, causing a reduced death rate

Thanks dumbass for proving my point. From your own website source.....The most dramatic drops in both cases and deaths began in 1996, with the widespread use of combination antiretroviral therapy.

[apex111]

The drop started in 95-96 dumbass, also i told you that people lowered their doses of AZT which had a lot to do with it, also protease inhibitors are broad spectrum antibiotics and will kill the some of the  real causes of AIDS like PCP, mycoplasmas, TB, candida.

[netizen_x]

protease inhibitors are broad spectrum antibiotics and will kill the some of the  real causes of AIDS like PCP, mycoplasmas, TB, candida.

The mycoplasmas, TB, Candida, etc. are symptoms of, not causes of immune system breakdown.

Immune system breakdown occurs when you give the patient immuno-suppressant chemicals such as cortico-steroids, which were given from the beginning of this whole aids hoax in combination with other toxins such as various anti-biotics and experimental drugs like AZT, Ribavirin, etc.

The history of aids did not start in 1996.

When presented with a 'mysterious disease', everybody panics and starts interfering with the bodily processes of health maintenance. The more people die, the more interference and stronger toxins are required. Can you see the absurdity of this kind of practice?

"Never ascribe to conspiracy, what can be explained by stupidity and incompetence."

[jimd3100]

The drop started in 95-96 dumbass, also i told you that people lowered their doses of AZT which had a lot to do with it, also protease inhibitors are broad spectrum antibiotics and will kill the some of the  real causes of AIDS like PCP, mycoplasmas, TB, candida.

your own source..again...The most dramatic drops in both cases and deaths began in 1996, with the widespread use of combination antiretroviral therapy. Actually it kills HIV, what a coincidence

[apex111]

What many don't realize is that mycoplasma was developed as a biological weapon and is slowly spreading through the population, while the New world order laughs at everyone for worrying about a harmless retrovirus hiv.
http://www.projectdaylily.com/

[jimd3100]

What many don't realize is that mycoplasma was developed as a biological weapon and is slowly spreading through the population, while the New world order laughs at everyone for worrying about a harmless retrovirus hiv.
http://www.projectdaylily.com/

Keep helping the Eugenics and the drug companies by telling everyone how harmless HIV is, you're to stupid to even know you're a shill. Your own refernce site again admits AIDS is real. What an idiot