HIV causes AIDS (Watch out for the NWO disinfo saying it does not)

[Dig]

I thought this was put to rest months ago.

[xTruthSeekerx]

im not up to date on the hiv agenda all i know is the navy was prolly responsible can someone guve me more lionks

[Dig]

im not up to date on the hiv agenda all i know is the navy was prolly responsible can someone guve me more lionks

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=34656.0

[xTruthSeekerx]

so aids is from the cock tail of the drugs given while hiv weakens your immune system to the point of death by cold?

[David Rothscum]

I thought this was put to rest months ago.

Heck, I still see people pushing it unfortunately. It's embarrassing.

[Dig]

so aids is from the cock tail of the drugs given while hiv weakens your immune system to the point of death by cold?

AIDS is caused by HIV which was a Kissinger inspired race-based bioweapon gone wrong.  The US government (and their British puppet masters) still refuse to admit this.

[xTruthSeekerx]

AIDS is caused by HIV which was a Kissinger inspired race-based bioweapon gone wrong.  The US government (and their British puppet masters) still refuse to admit this.

so hiv does cause aids? isnt it used to target african americans and the gay community more than anyone else?

[Dig]

so hiv does cause aids? isnt it used to target african americans and the gay community more than anyone else?

It was targeting those communities via vaccines.  Especially in Africa, the vaccines (not multiple sexual partners) has been a major cause.  The gay community has been targeted via advertisements for the gay community take tuberculoses vaccines not because of their lifestyle. Kind of f-d up huh?  These guys make lies upon lies upon lies.  Now that they have been caught red handed spreading HIV in vaccines, they are trying to say that HIV does not cause AIDS.

[xTruthSeekerx]

It was targeting those communities via vaccines.  Especially in Africa, the vaccines (not multiple sexual partners) has been a major cause.  The gay community has been targeted via advertisements for the gay community take tuberculoses vaccines not because of their lifestyle. Kind of f-d up huh?  These guys make lies upon lies upon lies.  Now that they have been caught red handed spreading HIV in vaccines, they are trying to say that HIV does not cause AIDS.

wow that is efed up, wonder what they will throw out next

[sociostudent]

Next, they're gonna say smoking doesn't give you lung cancer. 

[David Rothscum]

Time for a basic lesson. Peter Duesberg is one of the main pushers of the denialist theories. From Wikipedia:

Duesberg's denial of HIV/AIDS science is cited as a major influence on the public health policies of South Africa under the administration of Thabo Mbeki. Duesberg also served on an advisory panel to Mbeki, convened in 2000. The consequent failure of South Africa to provide antiretroviral drugs in a timely manner is thought to be responsible for hundreds of thousands of excess AIDS deaths and HIV infections.

The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/27/south-africa-aids-mbeki
The Aids policies of former president Thabo Mbeki's government were directly responsible for the avoidable deaths of a third of a million people in South Africa, according to research from Harvard University.

(But we need to overthrow Mugabe, hé's evil...)
Who is this Duesberg?
Well, he was involved in the war on cancer. And conveniently he denies that viruses cause cancer as well, even though he was one of the first people to discover this fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Duesberg#On_cancer
Duesberg, along with Peter Vogt, was one of the first scientists to discover a cancer gene (oncogene). In 1970, Duesberg and Vogt reported that a cancer-causing virus of birds had extra genetic material compared with non-cancer-causing viruses.[2][1]

http://boydgraves.blogspot.com/2008/05/dr-peter-duesberg-indicted-in-aids.html
I, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, respecting and representing thousands of scientists and physicians worldwide whose voices have been neglected and silenced; as a Diplomat for the World Organization for Natural Medicine; as a representative of God, Knighted emissary for the Sovereign Orthodox Order of Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem, and as a Levitical priest in the bloodlines of Moses and YaHShuaH, the Messiah, I hereby INDICT YOU, Dr. Peter Duesberg, FOR THE DEATHS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE, THROUGH YOUR ROLES IN THE CREATION OF AIDS AS WELL AS THE DISINFORMATION THAT SUSTAINS THIS AND RELATED MEDICAL GENOCIDES.

THIS OFFICIAL INDICTMENT condemns you for the mass killing and pharmaceutical enslaving of millions of people to AIDS, infectious cancers, and myriad immune system pathologies, resulting from your and your collaborators' manipulations, creations, and disseminations of viruses, using genetic modifications and vaccinations, you conducted or abetted. You, along with your colleagues, including Dr. Robert Gallo, prostituting virologists and molecular biologists working for the National Cancer Institute, and paid by Litton Bionetics, a biological weapons contractor for the U.S. Military; having advanced the "Special Virus Cancer Program" during the late 1960s through the 1970s, are hereby held accountable to the People, and to God, for these crimes against humanity resulting in this global tragedy of the pandemic now called AIDS.

This indictment is served publicly and officially with accompanying evidence of the official contracts, actions taken, and payments made to you as published in the Special Virus Cancer Program's Progress Reports that have now been made public through works by multiple experts acting as independent investigators.

This official indictment, served as a humanitarian action, prays to the Courts of Heaven and Earth, that you will be punished to the fullest extent of the Law, both man's law and God's, and that you be condemned for eternity for the mass slaughter and pharmaceutical enslavement of humanity to HIV/AIDS and other cancers linked to your loathsome labors.


Leonard G. Horowitz, DMD, MA, MPH, DNM, DMM
Diplomat, World Organization for Natural Medicine
Knighted Emissary, Sovereign Orthodox Order of Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem, and
Overseer, The Royal Bloodline of David

[Dig]

Next, they're gonna say smoking doesn't give you lung cancer. 

2 + 2 = 5; War = Peace; Ignorance = Strength; Work Will Make You Free

Arbeit Macht Frei

[sociostudent]

Time for a basic lesson. Peter Duesberg is one of the main pushers of the denialist theories. From Wikipedia:The Guardian:(But we need to overthrow Mugabe, hé's evil...)
Who is this Duesberg?
Well, he was involved in the war on cancer. And conveniently he denies that viruses cause cancer as well, even though he was one of the first people to discover this fact:

So viruses cause lung cancer, too? I'm sorry, maybe I need a de-programming session or something 

[xTruthSeekerx]

So viruses cause lung cancer, too? I'm sorry, maybe I need a de-programming session or something 

word im confsed too

[David Rothscum]

So viruses cause lung cancer, too? I'm sorry, maybe I need a de-programming session or something 

http://www.whale.to/v/polio1.html

Those born between 1941 and 1961 are thought to be most at risk of having been infected. Now a new study of the effects of SV40 points to evidence that the monkey virus causes a number of human cancers. It concludes there is "compelling" evidence linking SV40 to mesothelioma, a once-rare type of lung cancer whose prevalence is rapidly increasing.

The most startling results center on mesothelioma, until recently linked primarily to exposure to asbestos. Studies have found that around 70% of mesothelioma cases test positive for the SV40 virus. Over the past 30 years, the number of mesothelioma cases has risen 10-fold, to about 1,000 a year, and is predicted to reach 4,000 early next century. Until now, the increase was blamed on the asbestos industry.

In other words, yes, certain cases of lung cancer seem to be causes by viruses. But I was actually talking about the main source of the denialist theories being involved in experimenting with all sorts of viruses that later turned up in vaccines, so I guess that's what's confusing you.

[Dig]

So viruses cause lung cancer, too? I'm sorry, maybe I need a de-programming session or something 

Vaccines have so much crap in them including cancer viruses.  The Polio Vaccine was one of the first to spread cancer.  The numbers jumped after the release of the Polio vaccine.

There is a video about this from the physician who worked at Merck and discovered how viruses were being spread through vaccines.  The physician has since died.

[sociostudent]

Oh, God. Wow. Do you have any more links for reference about SV-40?
I'm going to look up all the references you already gave, and listen again to all the stuff Dr. Horowitz put out, but it's always good to have an over-abundance of information on stuff like this, because the thought of viruses causing multiple kinds of cancer (besides HPV and HIV) is simply revolutionary here. No one's gonna believe this unless I have a buttload of info on it.

Thanks for knocking the kool-aid cup out of my hand on that one, guys.  

[David Rothscum]

Vaccines have so much crap in them including cancer viruses.  The Polio Vaccine was one of the first to spread cancer.  The numbers jumped after the release of the Polio vaccine.

There is a video about this from the physician who worked at Merck and discovered how viruses were being spread through vaccines.  The physician has since died.

Oh, God. Wow. Do you have any more links for reference about SV-40?
I'm going to look up all the references you already gave, and listen again to all the stuff Dr. Horowitz put out, but it's always good to have an over-abundance of information on stuff like this, because the thought of viruses causing multiple kinds of cancer is simply revolutionary here. No one's gonna believe this unless I have a buttload of info on it.

Thanks for knocking the kool-aid cup out of my hand on that one, guys.  

Merk drug company vaccines admits injecting cancer viruses:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011
This audio was uncovered by Dr Horowitz, a terrible video editor but a great researcher.

[JTCoyoté]

Next, they're gonna say smoking doesn't give you lung cancer. 

It doesn't, or 40 to 45% of the population would be dead or dying from lung cancer... That was just foisted up to make people think about and begin demonizing the evil tobacco... less than 1% of smokers die of lung cancer... roughly equal to those who don't smoke that die of the disease... That fact was used to get the sheep to buy the idea that second hand smoke would give you the disease as well.

Tobacco was used as the vehicle by NWO interests to disseminate a myriad of eugenics inspired industrial diseases however, but was scuttled when it didn't kill well enough. So, they slowly but loudly sacrificed tobacco, over 2 decades, on the alter of "class action" to divert our gaze away from the new method of killing... fighting with vaccines such diseases as polio, AIDS, and measles and chicken pox and flu and tetanus, and the like... it was all being phased in from the late 50's while tobacco was being slowly demonized and phased out.

JTCoyoté

"The common curse of mankind - folly and ignorance."
~ William Shakespeare

[Dig]

It doesn't, or 40 to 45% of the population would be dead or dying from lung cancer... That was just foisted up to make people think about and begin demonizing the evil tobacco... less than 1% of smokers die of lung cancer... roughly equal to those who don't smoke that die of the disease... That fact was used to get the sheep to buy the idea that second hand smoke would give you the disease as well.

Tobacco was used as the vehicle by NWO interests to disseminate a myriad of eugenics inspired industrial diseases however, but was scuttled when it didn't kill well enough, so it was slowly but loudly sacrificed over 2 decades, on the alter of "class action" to divert our gaze away from the new method of killing... fighting with vaccines such diseases as polio, AIDS, and measles and chicken pox and flu and tetanus, and the like... it was all being phased in from the late 50's while tobacco was being slowly demonized and phased out.

JTCoyoté

"The common curse of mankind - folly and ignorance."
~ William Shakespeare

I guarantee you that any "stop smoking vaccine" will definitely include a cancer virus.

[David Rothscum]

When watching the video, remember a few things:
"Yellow Fever vaccine had Leukemia virus in it" (Now you know why children all get leukemia nowadays while it used to be almost non-existant)
"This was a scientific affair within the scientific community" (In other words ,the public didn't have to know we had viruses spreading across the population that caused cancer)
They knew the viruses caused cancer but these contaminated vaccines continued to be administered for decades:

http://www.infowars.com/print/vaccines/vaccine_scandal.htm
accine scandal revives cancer fear

New Scientist/ July 4, 2004

Many millions more people than previously thought might have been given polio vaccine contaminated with a monkey virus linked to cancer.

It has been known since 1960 that early doses of polio vaccine were widely contaminated with simian virus 40, or SV40, which infects macaque monkeys. Tens of millions of people in the US and an unknown number in other countries, including the UK, Australia and the former Soviet Union, may have been exposed prior to 1963.

The contamination occurred because the kidney cells the vaccine virus was grown in came from monkeys infected with SV40. Health officials say the problem was eliminated after 1963.

Now Michele Carbone of Loyola University Medical Center in Chicago has announced results that suggest the Soviet polio vaccine was contaminated after 1963, possibly until the early 1980s. "Is there infectious virus? The short answer is, yes," Carbone told the Vaccine Cell Substrate Conference 2004 in Rockville, Maryland, last week.

The vaccine was almost certainly used throughout the Soviet bloc and probably exported to China, Japan and several countries in Africa. That means hundreds of millions could have been exposed to SV40 after 1963.


Rare cancers

The consequences of exposure to the virus (which is not related to HIV in any way) are unclear. There is evidence is that some of the people given contaminated vaccines were infected by SV40, and that such infections might lead to the development of certain rare types of cancer many years down the line. But the link with cancer has neither been proved, nor shown to be false.

"There are two scenarios," says Philip Minor of the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control in the UK. "One is that it doesn't matter. The other is that it does."

Minor found three samples of the Soviet oral polio vaccine from the late 1960s in the NIBSC's freezers, the only samples known to survive from this time. In 1999, he found they tested positive for SV40, whereas British samples from this period did not. "But we did not draw any broad conclusions," Minor says.

Now Carbone has carried out further tests. He has confirmed the presence of SV40 in the Soviet vaccine samples using three separate tests. In two of the samples, he also showed that the SV40 remained infectious. In the third sample, there was no infectious poliovirus either, an indication that the sample of the live vaccine may have degraded.


Lung cancer link

Yet the production process was supposed to ensure that if any SV40 was present, it would be neutralised. When Carbone tested the Soviet neutralisation method, which relied on magnesium chloride, he found it was only 95 per cent effective. Because of this, he believes the Soviet vaccine could have remained contaminated until the early 1980s. In 1981, the Soviet Union switched to a polio vaccine seed provided by the World Health Organization that was free from any SV40 contamination.

Carbone, the first to publish evidence of a link between SV40 and the deadly lung cancer mesothelioma ( New Scientist print edition, 21 May 1994), will not discuss his results further until they have been published.

Officials from the US Food and Drug Administration who attended the conference also declined to comment, as the FDA is a defendant in lawsuits alleging that the SV40-contaminated polio vaccine used in the US has caused cancer cases.

Hilary Koprowski of Jefferson University in Philadelphia, who created one of the first polio vaccines, says he is not surprised that the magnesium chloride preparation did not work. "Nothing inactivates something 100 per cent," he said. "I would believe there were still remnants [of SV40] left."


Fresh kidneys

The contamination of the Soviet vaccine highlights the need for safer methods of growing viruses for vaccines, Koprowski says, something he is trying to tackle by using plant cells. The US stopped using fresh monkey kidneys for polio vaccine in 2000. But the vaccine is still made in this way in several other countries.

"I would say that it suggests that [old] vaccines made in different countries should be examined for possible contamination," says Janet Butel of Baylor University College of Medicine in Houston, a leading SV40 expert.

"In any epidemiological studies where they're comparing exposed versus non-exposed, if in fact there was any contaminated vaccine used after 1963, the control group wouldn't be a control group."

Konstantin Chumakov of the FDA Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, says that Carbone's findings leave many unanswered questions. For example, he said it is not clear from the labelling of the samples found at the NIBSC exactly when they were used in the Soviet Union or for how long.

Chumakov, whose father was director of the Soviet Institute of Poliomyelitis Research during the time of the contamination, says he was told that at one point the Soviet Union was supplying more than 100 countries with its vaccine.

He travelled to Moscow in April 2004 to try to learn more about the production and testing of the Soviet vaccine. But he found no more vaccine samples from that era, and very little surviving documentation about specific batches and why they might have been contaminated. "It's hard to explain how it happened," he says, "but it obviously did."

Debbie Bookchin

[sociostudent]

So, was this just a huge eugenics SCAM meant to depopulate the world? Or was it a road paved with the "good intentions" of actually preventing disease that got out of hand?

[David Rothscum]

It doesn't, or 40 to 45% of the population would be dead or dying from lung cancer... That was just foisted up to make people think about and begin demonizing the evil tobacco... less than 1% of smokers die of lung cancer... roughly equal to those who don't smoke that die of the disease... That fact was used to get the sheep to buy the idea that second hand smoke would give you the disease as well.

I'd like to hear where you get the "less than 1% of smokers die of lung cancer" from. Here's what I come across instead:

http://stats.org/stories/lung_cancer_rates_mar08_06.htm
But what is the risk? According to American Lung Association, about 1 in 8 smokers die from lung cancer. According to Harvard School of Public Health, the lifetime risk of a person who ever smoked developing lung cancer is approximately one in ten. But light smokers have less than half the risk as heavy smokers (heavy smoking being defined as more than 15 cigarettes per day), according to an article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. In contrast, the rate of getting lung cancer (in your life) if you have never smoked is less than one percent.

http://www.healthline.com/blogs/smoking_cessation/2008/03/smoking-and-lung-cancer.html
For lung cancer, the increased risks are much greater. So a man who continues to smoke until he dies is has 2300% increased risk of dieing of lung cancer: I.e. he is 23 times more likely to die of lung cancer, as compared with if he had never smoked. Of course, the overall size of that risk is influenced by how common the disease is. A lifelong non-smoker has less than half of one percent chance of dieing of lung cancer by the age of 75. A smoker who quits smoking by age 40 has a 6% chance of dieing of lung cancer by age 75. If the smoker keeps smoking until they die or reach age 75, then they have a 16% cumulative risk of dieing of lung cancer. These risks are amazingly big, when one remembers that for the smoker to get lung cancer they also have to survive and not be killed by one of the other common illnesses caused by smoking (e.g. COPD, heart-attack etc).

Smoking causes lung cancer because the smoke itself contain known carcinogenic chemicals such as benzo(a)pyrene and NNK. As these chemicals are deposited into the lungs year on year they cause DNA damage, oxidative stress and inflammation, which promote the initiation and growth of tumors. It is essentially the DNA damage, and the inability of the body to repair that damage, that results in cells starting to divide and multiply in a deviant way that ends up growing into a malignant tumor. Because the lungs are such essential organs for life (ie. healthy lungs are necessary for breathing) and because lung cancer is not easy to detect and cure at an early stage, lung cancer is very often fatal, with a 5-year survival rate around 15%. In many cases the cancer metastasizes and affects other organs of the body.

I'm pretty sure smoking causes cancer.

[Dig]

So, was this just a huge eugenics SCAM meant to depopulate the world? Or was it a road paved with the "good intentions" of actually preventing disease that got out of hand?

Seems odd that this was all caused by "good intention." Unless of course your definition of good intention is similar to Hitler's in creating concentration camps.

These psycopaths believe that depopulating the earth is a "good intention."

Remember that Prince Phillip said when he dies he hopes to be reincarnated as a virus so that he can finally deal with the population issue.

Additionally, if it was good intention, then they would have come forward immediately after the discovery instead of requiring 10x more vaccines for children than the required amount in the 1950's. 

Also realize that the scientists who created the vaccine programs in the US were NAZI paperclip scientists. These genocidal maniacs believed that killing 90% of the population was necessary to create supermen.  They also believed in total deception and secrecy.

[sociostudent]

Seems odd that this was all caused by "good intention." Unless of course your definition of good intention is similar to Hitler's in creating concentration camps.

These psycopaths believe that depopulating the earth is a "good intention."

Remember that Prince Phillip said when he dies he hopes to be reincarnated as a virus so that he can finally deal with the population issue.

Additionally, if it was good intention, then they would have come forward immediately after the discovery instead of requiring 10x more vaccines for children than the required amount in the 1950's. 

Also realize that the scientists who created the vaccine programs in the US were NAZI paperclip scientists. These genocidal maniacs believed that killing 90% of the population was necessary to create supermen.  They also believed in total deception and secrecy.

You got me there. I guess I'm just a humanist and believe all people are essentially good and all that crap, it's just amazing to me how no one noticed this was going on and it didn't change any policy (you're right about the kids getting more vaccines than they used to--I looked at my shot record and my son's shot record, and there are at LEAST 2 or 3 times as many shots on his than on mine)

[Dig]

I'd like to hear where you get the "less than 1% of smokers die of lung cancer" from. Here's what I come across instead:I'm pretty sure smoking causes cancer.

I would be curious about Tobacco in raw form v. the cigarette industry that puts amonia and god knows what else into cigarettes.  Americans have been smoking for hundreds of years but now anyone who smokes has a 90% chance of getting cancer.  Seems a bit odd to me. I know I am exaggerating the numbers, but my understanding about "The Insider" and Bergen is that the cigarette companies lost because they actually enhanced cigarettes.  They enhanced them so that they would be more potent than tobacco on its own. And of course they lied through their teeth about nicotine and other products that created greater highs.

I still stick with my statement: "I guarantee you that any "stop smoking vaccine" will definitely include a cancer virus."

I also believe that the anti-smoking agenda has gone completely over the edge to a fascist tyranny in some states/cities.  Paul Watson wrote a story about this and compared it to what the Nazis did in the 1930's.

[David Rothscum]

So, was this just a huge eugenics SCAM meant to depopulate the world? Or was it a road paved with the "good intentions" of actually preventing disease that got out of hand?

Seems odd that this was all caused by "good intention." Unless of course your definition of good intention is similar to Hitler's in creating concentration camps.

These psycopaths believe that depopulating the earth is a "good intention."

Remember that Prince Phillip said when he dies he hopes to be reincarnated as a virus so that he can finally deal with the population issue.

Additionally, if it was good intention, then they would have come forward immediately after the discovery instead of requiring 10x more vaccines for children than the required amount in the 1950's. 

Also realize that the scientists who created the vaccine programs in the US were NAZI paperclip scientists. These genocidal maniacs believed that killing 90% of the population was necessary to create supermen.  They also believed in total deception and secrecy.

That's all true. See also, the roots of Merck:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=67779.0
George W. Merck was the top scientist of the biological weapons program at Fort Detrick, the place where much of this stuff they use to kill us with was developed. He later went on to start the Pharmaceutical company called Merck. Not much later, cancer causing viruses turned up in our vaccines, after a war on cancer in (again) Fort Detrick. You can't make this stuff up. Would you let a guy who headed a biological weapons program babysit your children? No? Then you shouldn't let him inject mercury into their bodies either.

[NWOSCUM]

Has Alex ever had a guest on to explain the whole HIV/AIDS issue?  Or is there one he SHOULD have on?

[JTCoyoté]

So, was this just a huge eugenics SCAM meant to depopulate the world? Or was it a road paved with the "good intentions" of actually preventing disease that got out of hand?

Most of the eugenics SCAMS are methods of raising money to weaponize disease the American Cancer Society is one of them.   In discovering what causes the disease they can then weaponize it in a vaccine... Prior to 1930 Cancer was extremely rare, now it is approching 1 in 2...

--Oldyoti

"As usurpation is the exercise of power, which another hath
a right to; so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right,
which nobody can have a right to."
~John Locke, "Of Civil Government" 1689

 

[NWOSCUM]

Most of the eugenics SCAMS are methods of raising money to weaponize disease the American Cancer Society is one of them.   In discovering what causes the disease they can then weaponize it in a vaccine... Prior to 1930 Cancer was extremely rare, now it is approching 1 in 2...

 

And then to treat it they literally kill you with Chemo and Radiation.  Sick ain't it...........

[sociostudent]

Stanley Monteith talks about it some, i think.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0PpI8hGaYs

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFUGKKz4fyE&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep9F7y1Dckw&feature=related

[JTCoyoté]

I'd like to hear where you get the "less than 1% of smokers die of lung cancer" from. Here's what I come across instead:I'm pretty sure smoking causes cancer.

Between 1995 and 2000, 450,000 to 600,000 people died each year of lung cancer...  around 40 percent of those never smoked... but most all took vaccines...  your source exaggerates greatly! To keep the funding coming no doubt.

In any case the stat you quote would project that 1 in 10 non-smokers will meet the same fate then... it is all media driven and skewed to divert us from the real killers...

JTCoyoté

"The common curse of mankind - folly and ignorance."
~ William Shakespeare

[Dig]

Between 500,000 and 600,000 people die each year of lung cancer...  around 40 percent of those never smoked... but most all took vaccines...  your source exaggerates greatly! To keep the funding coming no doubt.

In any case the stat you quote would project that 1 in 10 non-smokers will meet the same fate then... it is all media driven and skewed to divert us from the real killers...

JTCoyoté

"The common curse of mankind - folly and ignorance."
~ William Shakespeare

You mean these world renowned doctors are not looking out for our best interest?

No Way!

============================

http://agermanlife.blogspot.com/
Monday, June 18, 2007
Miami Herald Features A German Life

Posted on Tue, Jun. 19, 2007
Doctor's secret: A Nazi father, now a Jew by choice

BY JOHN DORSCHNER
Bernd Wollschlaeger has two stories to tell.
First, he's a former officer in the Israel Defense Forces, a physician who developed expertise in biological warfare. He lives in Miramar, runs a family practice in North Miami Beach,

has become a legislative leader of the...

American Medical Association

and is active in local Jewish causes.

Now, at 49, he has decided to tell ``my coming-out story.'' It is this: He was born the Christian son of a World War II German tank commander -- a third-generation warrior who received Deutschland's highest military honor, the Iron Cross, which was pinned on his uniform by Adolf Hitler himself. As a teenager, Bernd studied the Nazis and the Holocaust and was repelled by what he learned. Ultimately, he converted to Judaism and moved to Israel. ''This was, and is, very difficult to deal with,'' he said. ``I never saw my father again.'' But recently, after telling his children about his father, he started talking -- first at Hillel Community Day School, where his two eldest children attend. Now, he has created a website -- AGer manLife.com -- and plans to publish a book under that name. ''He is an amazing individual,'' said Brian Siegal, executive director of the American Jewish Committee's local chapter, where Wollschlaeger was elected to the regional board. ``He's gone through an amazing self-reflection and contributes greatly to the work we are doing.'' For years, he kept his past secret, not even telling his first wife, a Jew he met in Israel -- an omission that, when revealed, seriously damaged the marriage.''I lied, plain and simple,'' he said. 'I was ashamed of my past, and it wasn't something that you could work easily into a conversation in Israel. `My father was a Wehrmacht officer.' That's definitely a party pooper.''

`A TRAGIC FIGURE'
Here is Wollschlaeger's story, based on interviews, e-mails and a manuscript of his book: Growing up in Bamberg, a small town in Bavaria, Bernd came to view his father, Arthur, as a brooding drunk whose life had been shattered by the Nazis' defeat. ''I think he was a tragic figure. He got caught up in a system. Then his whole notion of the world collapsed,'' Wollschlaeger said. Arthur had been educated at NAPOLA, the elite Nazi training academy. He never joined the Nazi Party, but he embraced Hitler's vision of making Germany great again. Arthur won the Iron Cross for a tank charge in Poland. He was wounded five times during the war -- the last an open head wound from a grenade. After the defeat, he spent a year in a U.S. prison camp. Eventually, he became a government bureaucrat, but his life was never the same. At home, he drank a lot and talked proudly about his Iron Cross, while brushing off other aspects of the Hitler era. ''Son, I have told you everything you need to know.'' Sometimes old army buddies dropped by for long bouts of booze during which they sang Deutschland üeber alles and Die Fahne hoch, the Nazi Party anthem. From an early age, Bernd didn't like his father's authoritarian bearing and his parents' insistence on obedience. After Palestinian terrorists killed 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics, a teacher told Wollschlaeger's class that the Israelis ``brought it upon themselves. . . . Some people believe that they are special and too powerful and, in my opinion, they are.'' Wollschlaeger, then 14, thought that was an odd response to a slaughter, and he didn't understand when some people said, ``Not again.''

THE HOLOCAUST
He knew the Nazis had put Jews in concentration camps and that some had been murdered. ``But had no idea about the industrialized and sophisticated killing machine designed to systematically exterminate an entire ethnic group.'' He began reading everything he could find on Jews and Israel. His parents noticed. ''Why are you so preoccupied about their suffering?'' his mother, Elizabeth, asked him. ``Jews were not the only ones who died in the war. Have you forgotten what I told you about our suffering? We lost everything and had to start all over.'' In 1979, as Wollschlaeger was starting college, the American TV series Holocaust was shown in Germany. 'My father's reaction was predictable. `Nobody in this house will watch this program,' he yelled. 'This is just another smear campaign by those Jews in Hollywood, and we don't have to listen to their lies.' '' But another time, Arthur admitted that on the Eastern front he had seen ``cattle cars filled with civilians, mostly women and children.'' Still, he insisted to his son that he learned the extent of the killing only after the war. Writes Wollschlaeger: ``This was hard to believe, and I recognized that even in retrospect, my father was camouflaging what he knew.'' At a peace conference in Germany organized by Israeli and Palestinian young people, Wollschlaeger heard their stories and decided he had to make a trip to Israel to see for himself. His father thought that was a ``ridiculous idea.'' But his mother gave him the money for the trip and asked him to deliver a prayer for her in Israel. Wollschlaeger later wondered whether his maternal ancestors had been Jewish. But his mother, now dead, never said. On the morning of the trip in 1978, Wollschlaeger's father drove him to the railroad station. When he arrived in Jerusalem, he went to the Western Wall, sometimes called the Wailing Wall. He slipped the prayer his mother had requested between stones.

``After doing so, I closed my eyes to pray for her soul. I forgot the world around me and imagined the thousands of people who had prayed at this very spot over the centuries. ``I lost sense of time and place and prayed with a fervor I had never felt before. I was weeping and I felt the divine presence in me.'' He continued his quest for understanding Judaism and Israel. He had been baptized a Catholic, but religion had not been practiced in his household. He viewed Christianity as cold and abstract. The more he read about Judaism, the more he was impressed with its depths. In medical school, he sought to talk to a rabbi about converting. The small Jewish community remaining was suspicious of his motives. ''Please understand that I cannot encourage you to convert,'' the rabbi told him. ''Actually, I should discourage you, because Judaism does not proselytize.'' Still, the rabbi offered to help him learn. He studied for 10 years. Finally, as he was finishing med school, Wollschlaeger convinced Jewish teachers of his sincerity. He was ready for conversion. Because so few religious leaders were left in Germany, he had to travel to Switzerland for a mohel to perform his circumcision and to France for the immersion in the ritual bath or Mikveh. After passing his medical exams, he celebrated with his classmates. Then, while somewhat inebriated, he went to find his parents, who were having dinner at a restaurant. He told them about his conversion and his conclusion that to lead a full Jewish life he needed to move to Israel, because there were so few Jews left in Germany. ''I am losing my only son,'' his father said bitterly.

LIFE IN ISRAEL
In Israel, he started taking classes in Hebrew while working in a kibbutz that raised bananas. His father regularly sent letters. Wollschlaeger refused to open them. Six months after he arrived, his sister told him that his father was dead. He had been diagnosed with cancer and ``chose not to receive treatment.'' Only then did Wollschlaeger open the letters. In the last, his father wrote that he had removed Bernd from his will and asked that he not attend his funeral. Eventually, Wollschlaeger married a New York woman who also had emigrated to Israel, and they had a son. After Iraq's Scud missile attacks on Tel Aviv and Haifa during the first Gulf War, she had had enough of the danger, and in 1991, they moved to South Florida, where she had relatives. They had a second child, a daughter, but the pressure of the move and other factors ended the marriage. In 1999, he married a Hispanic Catholic. They have a daughter, who has been baptized. ''She's being raised in a Jewish-Catholic environment. When she's old enough, she will make her own decision,'' Wollschlaeger said. Over time, he told his children bits and pieces of his past, and it was son Tal who started telling others. ''One day, we were learning about the Holocaust at school,'' Tal said, 'and the teacher asked, `Was anyone's family in the Holocaust?' And I raised my hand and said, 'My grandfather was a Nazi.' I was the class clown and everybody thought I was kidding.'' Wollschlaeger spoke to the class and has kept speaking about his past to selected groups, even appearing on a WLRN show, but he rarely discusses it in the healthcare field, where he is a maverick.

While many doctors are political conservatives, Wollschlaeger drives a Honda Accord

with a Barack Obama bumper sticker.

For his practice, he rented an office in a blue-collar area of North Miami Beach.

``I did not choose medicine to get rich.''

In Jewish causes, he has gone on solidarity missions to Israel with American Jewish Committee leaders and was elected to the regional board of the Anti-Defamation League, dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism. ''He wants justice to be served in the world,'' said Andrew Rosenkranz, the league's regional director. ``He's an extraordinarily kind-hearted man.'' Seeking closure on his past, Wollschlaeger recently traveled to Germany and met his sister for the first time in 18 years. She remains ''incredulous'' at his decision. ``In her perception, I destroyed the family.'' He submitted a manuscript of A German Life to several publishers and was rejected. He is now planning to self-publish a limited edition and hopes to connect with a major publisher. He acknowledges that all children are shaped by their parents in some way. From his dad, he says, he learned ``to be disciplined in everything I do and stubbornness.'' He also inherited his father's weakness for alcohol. ''I was a happy drunk. I stopped because I wanted to be a good father.'' He has been in recovery for 12 years and is trained to be a specialist in treating addicts. Earlier this year, he was elected president of the Florida Society of Addiction Medicine. ``I learned what my father didn't learn.'' Posted by Bernd Wollschlaeger at 10:16 PM 0 comments
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UPDATE: His father received the Knight's Cross.  There were less than 7,500 Knight's Crosses given in the history of Nazi Germany.  It is a much rarer medal than the Iron Cross and it was pinned by Hitler.

[Dig]

And then to treat it they literally kill you with Chemo and Radiation.  Sick ain't it...........

No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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History Channel Suppresses Evidence: US Gov Using Cancer to Kill Dissidents

In the following suppressed Documentary, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald's ex-girlfriend reveals the project involving human subjects in a US labratory to use cancer as an acceptable method of assassination against dissidents around the world.  The same people that headed this project were also intimately involved in multiple plots to kill US Citizens including the President of the United States of America.  Watch this entire episode [segment 3 is most revealing], then ask yourself how many dissidents to US government policies have died of cancer.

Suppressed Episode Two:
1 2 3 4 5

More information here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2554.msg10129#msg10129

[NWOSCUM]

Stanley Monteith talks about it some, i think.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0PpI8hGaYs

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFUGKKz4fyE&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep9F7y1Dckw&feature=related

Thanks Sociostudent

[David Rothscum]

I would be curious about Tobacco in raw form v. the cigarette industry that puts amonia and god knows what else into cigarettes.  Americans have been smoking for hundreds of years but now anyone who smokes has a 90% chance of getting cancer.  Seems a bit odd to me. I know I am exaggerating the numbers, but my understanding about "The Insider" and Bergen is that the cigarette companies lost because they actually enhanced cigarettes.  They enhanced them so that they would be more potent than tobacco on its own. And of course they lied through their teeth about nicotine and other products that created greater highs.

I'm sure the additives cause a lot of the problems we associate with Tobacco smoking. But, Americans didn't use to smoke as many cigarettes as they started in the 20th century, but the increased rate was followed by an increased rate of Lung cancer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cancer_smoking_lung_cancer_correlation_from_NIH.svg
We don't need our psychopathic elite to destroy our bodies, they may make it worse, but without them mother nature reduces our lifespans and reduces our IQ's as well without us knowing. The arsenic and fluoride in the water are just some examples. We've had them in our water for centuries, but they're not good for us. The thing is our elite tries to limit our growth. They ban DDT to stop the 3rd world from developing after they chased out the tyrants, they inject us with Mercury and put Fluoride in our water when improved nutrition and literacy mean we become too dangerous.
Anyway, to get back on topic, it was known since before WWII the tobacco smoking caused lung cancer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_smoking
In 1912, American Dr. Isaac Adler was the first to strongly suggest that lung cancer is related to smoking.[7] In 1929, Fritz Lickint of Dresden, Germany, published a formal statistical evidence of a lung cancer–tobacco link, based on a study showing that lung cancer sufferers were likely to be smokers.[8] Lickint also argued that tobacco use was the best way to explain the fact that lung cancer struck men four or five times more often than women (since women smoked much less).[8]

Again, your corrupt and murderous elite (American Ministers of Defense have a habit of ending up directing Tobacco companies) know what will kill you, but won't tell you until it's too late. It's the same with the cell phones. Eventually they'll take action to show you how great the government is, but by then they've developed something new to kill you with.

I still stick with my statement: "I guarantee you that any "stop smoking vaccine" will definitely include a cancer virus."

Either that or the usual dose of carcinogens and sterilizing compounds they inject into our bodies (formaldehyde, Tween 80 etcetera). It only takes a few victims to spread the cancer viruses into the general population (because they have the cures anyway, colloidal silver for example has been proven to be effective against HIV).

I also believe that the anti-smoking agenda has gone completely over the edge to a fascist tyranny in some states/cities.  Paul Watson wrote a story about this and compared it to what the Nazis did in the 1930's.

Sure, but as with the environmental movement and the feminist movement it started out with hijacked good intentions.

Has Alex ever had a guest on to explain the whole HIV/AIDS issue?  Or is there one he SHOULD have on?

Alex has had Boyd Graves on. He and Horowitz are allies in the fight to expose these people.

[Revolt426]

I never knew what to believe when i first came across Peter Duesberg's work. But i noticed the work he was doing was at a major NWO University and was skeptical, so you are saying Peter Duesberg is intentionally mis-leading Africa to not treat their populations?

Duesberg's main thesis is that Aids is only caused by Blood to Blood contact and HIV is just a carrier. He blames aids on the Gay population, which does have a massively larger number of infected individuals.

[independentWV]

I completed clinical study of elderly folks ages 80 plus to observe behaviors several participants smoked tobacco. One in particular was 93 lived on farm out in country.

A buildup of toxins/chemicals, eating wrong foods etc is what leads to inflammation then to acute disease then to chronic disease. If someone maintains healthy lifestyle drinking water and eating properly which helps cleanse toxins smoking may not lead to chronic diseases based on observation of participants in study.

It was interesting that five participants had no medical history had never taken pharmaceuticals ages 82- 98.






 

[sociostudent]

I never knew what to believe when i first came across Peter Duesberg's work. But i noticed the work he was doing was at a major NWO University and was skeptical, so you are saying Peter Duesberg is intentionally mis-leading Africa to not treat their populations?

Duesberg's main thesis is that Aids is only caused by Blood to Blood contact and HIV is just a carrier. He blames aids on the Gay population, which does have a massively larger number of infected individuals.

ARV's cost a lot of money. They're getting cheaper, I've heard, but it's disgusting how they've kept treatment away from patients because they SAY it's a "funding issue", but it's not: it's just eugenics, probably.

It's been popular in the past (especially the Reagan years) to place the AIDS blame SOLELY on the gays, which just stirred up more hatred and infighting in the U.S., especially in large cities.
I heard the only reason AIDS IS more transmissible during anal intercourse is because the risk of small tears developing in the anus is high, thus a perfect breeding ground for transmission. If this is inaccurate, someone please correct me. I'm off my game today.  

[David Rothscum]

Between 1995 and 2000, 450,000 to 600,000 people died each year of lung cancer...  around 40 percent of those never smoked... but most all took vaccines... 

40 percent? Where do you get that from? All sources I come across suggest much lower numbers, and those who never smoked often being the victims of second hand smoke:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003565715_cancer10.html
http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v7/n10/abs/nrc2190.html

your source exaggerates greatly! To keep the funding coming no doubt.

How do you know? Do you have any sources suggesting otherwise? If you do I'd like to see them.

In any case the stat you quote would project that 1 in 10 non-smokers will meet the same fate then... it is all media driven and skewed to divert us from the real killers...

JTCoyoté

"The common curse of mankind - folly and ignorance."
~ William Shakespeare

Some of the main killers are our lazyness to investigate what's going, our willingness to put up with the stuff they give us. They give us the poisons, but we also have ourselves to blame for what is going on. Our most common crops are probably forever genetically mutilated, the Depleted Uranium isn't going away the coming billion years but a lot of the stuff they give us is avoidable.

Most of us let them inject toxins in our arms, and don't take the effort to find out what it is that's injected into our bodies and use their birth control pills without wondering why boys are being born deformed all over the planet now in growing numbers and why the sperm counts are down around the planet and male fish in the rivers are intersex, because we're lazy and selfish, myself included, I still often eat their food that has MSG added to it. We shouldn't fall for the trap of simply blaming an invisible enemy for everything that's going on, when a lot of what's going on can be stopped by us.

If we just sit there and pretend the fluoridated water is good for us, the meat pumped full of hormones is good for us and doesn't contribute to starvation, and it's the elite that are responsible for us getting cancer, not the fact that we're using their cell phones and smoking their Tobacco, we have ourselves to blame.