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« on: April 06, 2008, 10:45:38 PM »

Andrew Sullivan: Bush Administration Officials Will Be 'Indicted For War Crimes' 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/06/andrew-sullivan-bush-admi_n_95305.html
April 6, 2008 02:14 PM

Media coverage of the disclosure of the "torture memo" authored by Bush Justice Department official John C. Yoo has been mostly a deafening silence. But on this morning's Chris Matthews' show, someone finally fired a shot. As we mentioned in this morning's liveblog, credit goes to The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan, for taking the opportunity to ensure that this matter got out into the televised discourse somehow.

SULLIVAN: The latest revelations on the torture front show the memo from John Yoo...means that Don Rumsfeld, David Addington and John Yoo should not leave the United States any time soon. They will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 10:59:36 PM »

that would be great...throw some of them scumbags in jail
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 11:02:03 PM »

Sullivan is not a light weight, he is highly regarded within DC
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 11:46:52 PM »

A quick trial and execution.  I would call that a productive day.  Unless someone wants to torture these scumbags, I would be ok with that.  Make them expire nice and sloooooowwwww, like they've been doing to us.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 09:07:24 AM »

April 7, 2008

Yoo-surping Power for the Executive
 
by Ivan Eland


More memos have recently surfaced that were written early in the Bush administration by John C. Yoo from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel – the man who gave us the administration's horrifyingly narrow definition of torture as physical pain that must be "equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death." As difficult as it is to believe, the recently released memos are even scarier for the republic than is the original torture memo.

Yoo – attempting to defend the ultra-expansionist view of executive power that the Bush administration, especially Vice President Dick Cheney, has endorsed – wrote memos boldly asserting that the president's power during wartime is nearly unlimited. For example, he argued that Congress has no right to pass laws governing the interrogations of enemy combatants and that the executive can ignore such laws if passed, and can, without constraint, seize oceangoing ships. The memos also argue that military operations in the United States against terrorists are not subject to the Fourth Amendment requirement for search warrants or the Fifth Amendment requirement for due process.

This staggeringly broad interpretation of executive power and the president's commander-in-chief role would make the nation's founders jump out of their graves. The founders originally conceived of the Congress and the states being the most powerful branches of government. But the Cold War, and all the hot wars within it, unconstitutionally expanded the chief executive's powers into the imperial presidency, which George W. Bush through his "war on terror" is trying to convert into "hyper-imperial" mode. Purposefully, in response to the horror of European monarchs regularly marching their countries to war using the blood and treasure of their people, the Constitutional Convention enumerated the large number of Congress's powers in the longer Article I, and gave most of the powers related to defense and foreign affairs to the people's branch. In particular, the war power – the power to decide whether, when, and how the nation would go to war – was given to Congress. The chief executive, whose much shorter list of powers was enumerated in the much more brief Article II, was given the commander-in-chief role, but this was intended narrowly, only as commander of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

Instead of declaring war, which has fallen out of fashion, the Congress, after 9/11, passed a resolution authorizing the president to go after al-Qaeda overseas, but deliberately omitted domestic activities from that authorization. So it is doubtful whether the United States is really "at war" in the first place. Also, Democrats and Republicans alike, at the time the resolution was voted on, declared that they were not endorsing a broad expansion of the president's authority as commander in chief.

Furthermore, to show how narrowly the founders originally conceived the commander-in-chief role to be, an episode from early in the republic's history is illustrative. During the quasi-war with France in the last years of the 1700s, Congress authorized President John Adams to seize armed French ships sailing to French ports. Adams exceeded the congressional authorization by ordering the seizure of such vessels sailing to or from French ports. The Supreme Court, in the case Little v. Barreme, ruled that Adams had exceeded the authority Congress had delegated to him. So much for Bush's supposed intrinsic authority to seize all oceangoing ships without congressional authorization.

Similarly, in 1952, in the Truman administration during the Cold War, the first imperial president seized the steel mills under his alleged "inherent power" as commander in chief – supposedly to prevent paralysis of the national economy and using the rationale that soldiers in the Korean War needed weapons and ammunition. By a wide margin, in the case Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, the Supreme Court struck down Truman's executive order to seize the mills, because it had no statutory or constitutional basis. In other words, the court essentially ruled that the president was commander in chief of the armed forces, not of the country.

Yoo's argument that Congress has no right to pass laws that impinge on the president's claim to an excessively broad interpretation of his role as commander in chief – and that the chief executive has a right to ignore any such laws passed – is astounding. This paradigm is essentially rule by presidential decree, which violates the core of the constitutional system of checks and balances, and for which the United States regularly criticizes despots in foreign countries.

Finally, the Fourth Amendment (requiring warrants for any search) and the Fifth Amendment (the right to due legal process) contain no exceptions for wartime. In fact, in a republic – where the rule of law should be king – crises and wartime are exactly when people's rights are most likely to be endangered and when safeguards are especially needed. So in times of both war and peace, the military (or related agencies, such as the National Security Agency) and law enforcement need to be required to get warrants for surveillance and to give people due process.

Even more tragic and dangerous for the republic than the quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan have been President Bush's Yoo-surping of power from the other two branches of government and the creation of the "hyper-imperial" presidency.
 

 
Find this article at:
http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=12641 
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 12:42:19 PM »

Now I know  Bush is screwed in the head, just read this..

Bush says Iran responsible for Wall Street mess


Today, the White House issued a press release stating that Iranian agents were responsible for the Wall Street financial crisis and that serious steps were being taken to "clear up this issue" once and for all, said WH press secretary Moshe Greedberg.

Greedberg said that the White House had a list of some of the perpetrators that had insidiously inserted themselves into every level of the financial markets, especially in Wall Street's biggest banks.

"The President's Summit Halting Iran's Threat (S.H.I.T.) Task Force has undergone a long and thorough review of Wall Street, in a tireless effort to root out these people that hate our freedoms", noted Greedberg. "Today, the White House, in it's ongoing effort to make the workings of government transparent, will list some of these Imans of Finance to show the world that this time, we have irrefutable evidence of Iran's shady dealings."

Greedberg provided the names and places of work and they are as follows:

Alan Schwartz of Bear Stearns

Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve

Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan

Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs

Richard Fuld of Lehmann Brothers

Timothy Geithner of the New York Federal Reserve

Greedberg added that the president was meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to address this issue about Iran's interference in a most stern manner.

In other White House news, the press secretary said that the WH was shuttering the famed sandbox that President Bush loved to play in, since when he was playing in the sandbox, cats kept trying to cover the president up.

There was no word as to whether or not the cats were Persian.


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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 01:03:08 PM »

SULLIVAN: The latest revelations on the torture front show the memo from John Yoo...means that Don Rumsfeld, David Addington and John Yoo should not leave the United States any time soon. They will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes.
It's a nice dream, but with Kissinger remaining on the loose for 40 years, I'm not ready to picture a single one of them in orange jumpsuits. Nobody ever successfully put Pinochet in jail, or Baby Doc. If you buy into the theory that the US is being fitted to wear the villain jacket and fill the Nazi role in the psychotic globalist masonic albert pike WWIII script, then maybe we'll see some Nuremberg trials for the Bush war criminals, but believing that the globalists will even bother with show trials inside the false left/right paradigm after WWIII is more optimism than I'm prepared to run with. If they succeed in instigating WWIII and massive population culling, whatever society that crawls out of the wreckage will be such a locked-down totalitarian scientific dictatorship that there won't even be a need for the elites to run a charade justice system as theater. All the serf slaves who are spared to serve the controllers will be completely drugged-out automatons who won't even remember last Tuesday, let alone what went on at Guantanamo Bay. There'll be little need to convince them that laws are real.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 03:04:28 PM »

I'm tired of these Yuppies saying these things and then supporting the Democratic Congress who allow them to get away with murder.  Sometimes I think these people just like saying abrasive statements because it brings attention to themselves and if you ever watch Real Time with Bill Maher thats really what its all about. they enjoy being on camera and giving their opinion on the current issues, without really saying anything...
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 10:40:48 AM »

 Guys as much as I dislike the Bush administration, I have 1 question about this: Who in the hell is going to indite these people Huh. Certainly not this congress and I seriously doubt the next president will. Even if it is a democrat. As much I like this to happen, it has to come from OUR legislature and OUR courts. Not some world court or some other UN power, because this would cause many, many other problems.
Hopefully this congress or the next president will develop a spine and prosecute this wayward administration.    But I would not hold my breath for this. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2008, 11:34:11 PM »

Guys as much as I dislike the Bush administration, I have 1 question about this: Who in the hell is going to indite these people Huh. Certainly not this congress and I seriously doubt the next president will. Even if it is a democrat. As much I like this to happen, it has to come from OUR legislature and OUR courts. Not some world court or some other UN power, because this would cause many, many other problems.
Hopefully this congress or the next president will develop a spine and prosecute this wayward administration.    But I would not hold my breath for this. 

Exactly... they laugh at us.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 05:45:27 PM »

Pelosi has already shown us what the democrats are going to do.Those who are capable of thinking have to wonder what exactly is she getting out of protecting criminals.
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